[00:16] <doctormo> popey: I'll have to come back to it, I'm under the weather at the moment and liable to set fire to projects.
[00:17] <popey> heh
[00:17] <popey> want some help?
[00:17] <popey> or, wait till after the weekend when you probably feel better :)
[00:19] <doctormo> popey: Lets wait for monday, I'm hoping the sniffles will have gone too by then.
[00:21] <popey> coolio
[02:12] <jcastro_> hey popey
[02:12] <jcastro_> how's your unity today?
[02:13] <cjohnston> :-(
[02:14] <jcastro_> sad face?
[02:14] <cjohnston> my unity has been crashing my compiz
[02:14] <cjohnston> and i keep getting the partial upgrade message
[02:16] <jcastro_> og
[02:16] <jcastro_> oh
[02:16] <jcastro_> I just updated
[02:16] <jcastro_> and everything got upgraded at once
[02:17] <cjohnston> I think it is because of x but im not sure
[02:20] <jcastro_> you on -intel?
[02:20] <cjohnston> have been getting the partial upgrade mesage for 4 days now... last time i did a partial i screwed up the system
[02:21] <jcastro_> yeah never do that
[02:25] <cjohnston> yes, intel
[03:22] <cjohnston> jcastro_: any idea how long till the intel x stuff is fixed?
[03:22] <jcastro_> intel is working
[03:22] <jcastro_> what's held back?
[03:24] <cjohnston> theres banshee stuff thats unchecked compiz, empathy, indicator apps, linux headers, python stuff.. is that what your talking about?
[03:25] <jcastro_> well
[03:25] <jcastro_> use apt
[03:25] <jcastro_> and just apt-get install pieces individually
[03:25] <jcastro_> and make sure it doesn't want to remove important things
[03:25] <cjohnston> ok
[03:26] <jcastro_> do em one at a type or a few at a time
[03:26] <jcastro_> until it resolves itself
[03:27] <jcastro_> gtg though, weeds is on
[03:27] <cjohnston> ahh.. libreoffice is whats held back
[03:27] <jcastro_> if it looks scary don't do it!
[03:27] <cjohnston> lol
[03:27] <cjohnston> it does want to remove empathy
[03:31] <jcastro_> yeah I let it remove that for now
[03:37] <JanC> if partial upgrades break your system, the package dependencies are wrong...
[08:02] <kim0> Morning o/
[08:06] <dpm> good morning all!
[08:06] <kim0> dpm: hey morning
[08:07] <dpm> hey kim0 :)
[08:07] <kim0> ;)
[08:38] <dpm> brb, rebooting. Hopefully after the latest unity upgrade I get window decorators again!
[08:43] <dpm> \o/ got window decorators back
[08:44] <kim0> woohoo :)
[08:45] <dpm> yeah, unfortunately compiz crashed like 2 seconds after :/
[08:47] <dpm> ok, back to normal
[08:58] <dpm> ooooh the new shortcuts to start apps in unity (Super+<number>) are pretty neat
[08:58] <dpm> and I guess very helpful for accessibility
[09:26] <AlanBell> dpm: those were in Maverick too, the regression has been fixed!
[09:27] <dpm> \o/
[09:28] <dpm> I'll just have to figure out what's happened with the old Super+W and Super+A shortcuts, as they've now been replaced to show all workspaces and the applications place, respectively
[09:32] <popey> Morning!
[09:38] <duanedesign> 'lo all
[11:58] <czajkowski> Aloha
[11:59] <dpm> hey czajkowski, how's it going?
[11:59] <czajkowski> good listening to simon phipps
[11:59] <czajkowski> always a great speaker
[12:00] <dpm> :)
[12:01] <dpm> hey popey, I've just replied to Neil. Just letting you know, as I didn't CC you as you told me not to
[12:02] <popey> thank you, much appreciated
[12:05] <duanedesign> morning all
[12:49] <czajkowski> http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/simon-says/2011/02/the-open-by-rule-governance-benchmark/index.htm  would like to be able to rate Ubuntu and see how we do
[14:22] <vish> sense: i dont think you have to ask someone to leave a comment if they've spotted a mistake.. ;p
[14:24] <sense> vish: I wanted to lower the mental barrier a bit further. ;)
[14:24] <vish> haha!
[14:25] <vish> greg-g raises a very interesting issue though; decisions _for_ Ubuntu taken by people not accountable _to_ the community
[14:25] <sense> I don't mind a strong discussion, as long as their is a progressing conversation.
[14:25] <sense> vish: The handling of this issue by Canonical is indeed a different matter. But I think that the company should be more clear in who controls/owns Ubuntu.
[14:26] <sense> I have no problems with them controlling Ubuntu, I think it is very sensible, but they should be clear about it.
[14:26]  * vish nods..
[14:26] <sense> Otherwise your raise exception you cannot meet.
[14:26] <sense> expectations
[14:41] <jcastro_> cjohnston: PIIIIIIIIIING!
[14:41]  * popey tickles jcastro_ and his tail
[14:43] <vish> hehe, someone confused popey to one of the banshee devs also named "alan" ;)
[14:45] <popey> who/where?
[14:45] <vish> popey: on #banshee , not now but last night..
[14:46] <popey> oh
[14:56] <greg-g> sense: replied to your comment. Summary of my comment "Thanks for bringing that up, and I totally agree" :)
[14:56] <sense> greg-g: Great! :)
[14:56] <greg-g> of course, if you want the more wordy version, check out the full comment ;)
[14:56] <sense> I sure will.
[14:57] <sense> I'm happy with the constructive posts we see about this issue on the planet.
[14:58] <sense> Now you have made me curious to that interview.
[15:02] <greg-g> sense: Awesome! It is a great interview. It really helped me think through this situation yesterday.
[15:02] <greg-g> that was part of my goal with that post, to get more people to listen to that interview ;)
[15:32] <czajkowski> Booo
[15:32] <popey> MOO!
[15:39] <jono> hey all
[15:39]  * popey runs up to jono and gives him a big kiss
[15:39] <popey> can you tell it's UDS sponsorship time? :D
[15:40] <jono> lol
[15:40] <jono> you not going to randomly kiss me anymore when it is not sponsorship time?
[15:40] <jono> :-(
[15:40] <jono> lol
[15:42] <popey> :)
[15:43] <jcastro> AlanBell: you know ...
[15:44] <jcastro> AlanBell: I was trying to do something yesterday and I was thinking
[15:44] <jcastro> when we do global jams and ubuntu hour we tell people "hey think of something cool, work on the wiki, etc."
[15:44] <jcastro> I was thinking...
[15:44] <jcastro> "contribute to ubuntu, DELETE A WIKI PAGE."
[15:44] <AlanBell> heh
[15:45] <popey> ooo, i like that
[15:45]  * popey goes looking for pages to delete
[15:45] <AlanBell> delete a random fulltextsearch macro
[15:45] <jcastro> AlanBell: which brings me to my next question
[15:45] <jcastro> AlanBell: is there an easy way to find out which pages haven't been touched by age?
[15:46] <popey> I wrote a thing that did that by grabbing all of /RecentChanges and parsing it :)
[15:46]  * popey nominates https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyGoals for deletion!
[15:46] <popey> along with every page linked from it
[15:46] <popey> (scroll down)
[15:46] <jcastro> popey: so my idea was generate a list of pages that are crap, sorted by oldest
[15:47] <jcastro> and then just tell teams "grab a letter, review, and purge, if not, update"
[15:47] <jcastro> "Ireland, do the I's, Ohio, do the O's" etc.
[15:47] <popey> there would be significant frustration on the day (if it was UGJ) as the wiki would crap out for everyone all the time
[15:48] <jcastro> well, not all at once
[15:48] <jcastro> ubuntu hours spread over time perhaps
[15:48] <czajkowski> jcastro: oi leave ireland alone :p
[15:48] <jcastro> I is a good letter, it was an example!
[15:50]  * czajkowski hugs jcastro 
[15:50] <popey> bah, theme on the wiki is broken so i cant click delete
[15:50] <czajkowski> you do I have a sense of humor right!
[15:50] <jcastro> seriously it took like 20 seconds for that breezy page to show up for me
[15:51]  * AlanBell wonders if delete actually does much on a wiki
[15:52] <jcastro> well, the performance is part of it
[15:52] <jcastro> the "totally crap information that is useless" is the other half
[15:55] <popey> aha! adblock plus was screwing the layout!
[15:57] <popey> "Page "UbuntuDownUnder/BOFs/AudioInfrastructure" was successfully deleted!"
[15:57] <popey> muhahaha
[15:57]  * popey goes on a deletion spree
[15:58] <jcastro> popey: ok so how do you do an "oldest page" list?
[15:58] <popey> pass
[15:59] <popey> I just searched today for breezy
[15:59] <popey> figuring many would be obsolete
[15:59] <popey> and they are
[15:59] <popey> probably some warty ones too
[15:59] <jcastro> ah
[16:00] <popey> i did do it in the past with RecentChanges
[16:00] <popey> but its quite slow/painful
[16:00] <jcastro> indeed
[16:01] <dholbach> ok my friends - I call it a day
[16:01] <dholbach> have a great weekend everyone
[16:01] <dholbach> and see you on monday
[16:01] <dholbach> developer week monday! :)
[16:01] <dholbach> yoohooo
[16:01]  * dholbach hugs you all
[16:08] <czajkowski> dholbach: bye
[16:09] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda?action=diff
[16:10] <dholbach> bye
[16:14] <czajkowski> ohh
[16:15] <popey> indeed
[16:26] <Technoviking> got 5 straight hours of meetings, kill me now
[16:27]  * popey tickles Technoviking 
[16:27] <Technoviking> teehee
[16:29] <czajkowski> get a room
[16:33]  * popey gives czajkowski a massive..
[16:33] <popey> ..hot chocolate.
[16:33] <czajkowski> ohhhh
[16:33] <czajkowski> :D
[16:33] <czajkowski> we'll keep you
[16:33] <popey> :D
[16:57] <greg-g> thanks for the comment, jono. Really appreciate it (I replied, as well, if you're interested/have time).
[17:01] <jono> greg-g, it has been a frustrating day
[17:02] <jono> thanks greg-g
[17:32] <jcastro> is anyone from -classroom around?
[17:32] <popey> o/
[17:32] <jcastro> where's the bot?
[17:32] <popey> no idea
[17:36] <popey> i made the bot +v, dunno if that fixes it
[17:41] <dpm> ok, have a nice weekend all!
[17:41] <dpm> bye!
[19:00] <AlanBell> Ubuntu For All meeting starting nowish in #ubuntu-meeting
[19:18] <czajkowski> still not home :(
[19:36] <Pendulum> czajkowski: still at conf?
[19:47] <cjohnston> jcastro: pong
[20:41] <czajkowski> Pendulum: just home
[20:41]  * Pendulum hugs czajkowski 
[20:44] <jcastro> cjohnston: HEY
[20:45] <cjohnston> HEY
[20:45] <jcastro> cjohnston: I AM MOVING TO FLORIDA FOR A YEAR OMG YOU AND ME
[20:45] <jcastro> Pendulum: thanks for the irc help earlier
[20:45] <cjohnston> When? Where
[20:45] <cjohnston> Why What
[20:45] <cjohnston> my house?
[20:45] <cjohnston> lol
[20:45] <jcastro> ok, if you're offering!
[20:45] <cjohnston> call Hope.. she does like you
[20:46] <czajkowski> OMG
[20:46] <czajkowski> jcastro: oh how come ?
[20:46] <czajkowski> #/away
[20:46] <jcastro> jill got an internship in boca raton for a year
[20:46] <cjohnston> Cool
[20:46] <jcastro> your loco pages look nice
[20:46] <jcastro> I found everything I needed!
[20:47] <cjohnston> 3 hours
[20:47] <czajkowski> boaca raton?
[20:47] <cjohnston> ya
[20:47] <cjohnston> when are you coming down jcastro
[20:47] <jcastro> august
[20:47] <cjohnston> sweet
[20:48] <jcastro> though we might come down earlier to scope around
[20:48] <jcastro> whereabouts you at?
[20:48] <cjohnston> 40 minutes from caribe
[20:48] <cjohnston> same city
[20:49] <jcastro> nice!
[20:49] <cjohnston> def will have to hang out
[20:53] <cjohnston> jcastro: you will have to start hanging out in -us-fl
[20:54] <jcastro> I am. :)
[20:54] <jcastro> sorry I am in and out, tons of stuff to do
[20:55] <cjohnston> yup
[20:56] <Technoviking> jcastro: I'm in Florida near Boca Raton every Christmas
[20:59] <jcastro> noice!
[20:59] <Technoviking> think Fort Meyers is close? there is some Boca close :)
[21:01] <Technoviking> closeish, but wrong coast
[21:06] <Technoviking> But there are a couple awesome restauarts/bars in the middle of the Everglades
[21:06] <jcastro> hey mhall119
[21:06] <jcastro> YOU CAN HAZ PYTHON
[21:06] <jcastro> http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/3508495346/now-we-can-rock-this
[21:06] <mhall119> jcastro: rock!
[21:08] <mhall119> jcastro: any link to the PlacesAPI python interface?
[21:10] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/LauncherAPI#Python Example
[21:10] <jcastro> that is all I have right now
[21:11] <mhall119> ok
[21:13] <jcastro> ken can't get quicklists working but I figure good enough for people to mess with if they want something to do
[21:39] <AlanBell> jcastro: ooooh python rocks hard
[22:38] <maco> meafirst president
[22:38] <maco> bah
[22:38] <maco> wrong channel. and failed tab