[00:13] nvidia compatible with natty is in ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates now (and this time I made sure it actually worked) [00:13] 6 hour build queue though :( [00:15] Oh, funky. That's released? [00:16] Sarvatt: \o/ [00:16] yay!! [00:17] Good news, I sware my Apple notebook has almost been cooked from the inside out whilst running nouveau in 2D only. :) I know it will cook with 3D. :) [00:18] 7;3~/c [00:21] RAOF, released and public :-) [00:22] * Laney looks forward to minecraft again :-) [00:24] Laney, so much for your productivity eh? [00:25] Sarvatt: whoo! === Bertrand is now known as bl8 [01:35] bug 724678 is the best bug report, ever [01:35] Launchpad bug 724678 in nautilus "upgrading" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/724678 [01:39] wow. that's impressively useless === james_w` is now known as james_w === asac_ is now known as asac [03:05] looking to change my maverick netbook install desktop back to the the one found in lucid [03:05] but I cant figure out how to do that - any hints, suggestions ? [03:10] jwhisnant: It's not clear exactly what you want to do. However, #ubuntu-desktop is unlikely to be the correct forum for answers; this place is for development. [03:10] !support | jwhisnant [03:10] jwhisnant: The official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org and http://askubuntu.com [03:11] RAOF, thanks, I'll ask there ... again ... [03:11] If #ubuntu isn't helping, then ubuntuforums or askubuntu, although slower, should have a broader audience. === Bertrand is now known as bl8 === Bertrand is now known as bl8 [03:59] w00t, uploaded the last firefox beta to natty now \o/ [04:00] chrisccoulson: Hurray! So that should be built, what, early next week? :) [04:00] lol [04:00] it doesn't take quite that long ;) [04:00] it's about 2.5 hours, and most of that is the test suite ;) [04:01] (all but 40 minutes) [04:05] * micahg hopes 2 of the remaining build failues disppear [04:19] bryce_, I am in X dependency hell :\ [04:23] lamalex, oh? [04:23] raof or tjaalton or I could probably help but we'd need to know more specifics [04:23] bryce_, yeah I need to know what more specifics to give you before I can give them :P [04:23] Well, let's start with the error message :) [04:24] let's move to #distro? [05:56] Morning all! [05:58] hi Sweetshark [05:59] * Sweetshark suspects himself to have put a buildd in an endless loop ... [05:59] *ashamed* [07:54] good morning [07:55] waow, 15 minutes blaming first my wifi spot before seeing that dhcp3-client was the cause of not connecting… [07:57] ok, seems that isc-dhcp (4.1.1-P1-15ubuntu5) fixes it [07:57] just upgraded at the wrong moment it seems :) [08:01] Good morning [08:01] hey pitti! How are you? [08:02] hey didrocks [08:02] for some reason terribly tired [08:02] but I'll manage [08:02] oh? the week-end will be there soon :) [08:02] me too! [08:02] hey mvo ;) [08:02] * mvo yawns and takes a extra ccup of tea [08:03] hey didrocks [08:03] * pitti hugs mvo [08:03] * mvo hugs pitti [08:04] didrocks: FYI, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/65082307/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-amd64.folks_0.3.6-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz used the broken dbus [08:04] didrocks: I uploaded a fix an hour after 1.4.6-1ubuntu1 when I noticed the same issue with avahi [08:04] it can just be given back, doing now [08:05] pitti: thanks for the notice :) [08:05] so, where did my window decorations go.. [08:05] pitti: is unity-window-decorator running? [08:05] pitti: have you just upgraded? [08:05] partial upgrde last night [08:06] doing dist-upgrade now [08:06] did you restart since? [08:06] didrocks: no u-w-d [08:06] didrocks: yes, booted this morning [08:06] there is an ABI break in compiz, u-w-d has to be restarted after the upgrade [08:06] I'll try a full dist-upgrade first [08:06] hum… [08:06] ok :) [08:06] it always takes me a bit to sort out [08:06] X.org has been broken for many days now [08:06] I'm testing upgrading on my netbook now just to check [08:06] trying to dist-upgrade everything removes ubuntu-desktop [08:07] Xorg is still hang because of nvidia here :/ [08:07] hum… [08:07] so, the transition yesterday was quite horrible (I had to update and not just rebuild) 17 packages [08:07] was some package renaming and such [08:07] * pitti hugs didrocks, great job! [08:08] let me see on my intel box if it's ok [08:08] * didrocks hugs pitti back, I hope it's not because of me that ubuntu-desktop wants to be removed :) [08:08] let's see on my (slow) netbook [08:11] ok, the places with the new libunity symbols and dee are installed, it kept back unity (and all compiz friends) though [08:11] ah libindicator transition :) [08:14] hm, dist-upgrade is still horribly broken [08:15] yeah, confirmed, killall unity-window-decorator && unity just after the upgrade works [08:15] (removed libindicator2 for forcing the upgrade) [08:15] good morning guys [08:16] hey kenvandine, is it you who told me yesterday evening that it was late, it's time to go to bed, blablabla… ? :-) [08:16] hehe [08:16] soon :) [08:16] didrocks: upgrade fails because compiz-plugin-mains file conflict with compiz-fusion-plugins-main [08:16] pitti: argh, the Replaces: [08:16] didrocks: it seems the former doesn't have a strict enough Conflicts: ? [08:17] pitti: yeah, transitional package, stupid issue from me, fixing [08:17] hm, it doesn't have a C:/R: at all [08:17] didrocks: thanks [08:17] * bryce_ waves [08:17] pitti: yeah, I was interruped when I was doing it and forgot then :/ [08:17] didrocks: np; I have to install pacakges one by one, great way to find those :) [08:17] lol [08:17] hey bryce_ [08:17] * mvo hugs kenvandine [08:17] pitti: the compiz transition was quite… epic (upstream rolled 6 times the tarball before having something which works) [08:17] heya pitti [08:18] hey mvo [08:18] didrocks, ugy [08:18] hey :) [08:18] ugh even [08:18] kenvandine: and imagine I compiled all buggy version :/ [08:18] (or tried to…) [08:18] so why does upgrading libunity3 remove empathy.. [08:18] funny story [08:18] pitti, amd64? [08:18] yes [08:19] empathy is dep wait [08:19] now that we FINALLY have binary drivers that work with the latest xserver ABI, guess what [08:19] pitti: empathy -> folks [08:19] bryce_, this isn't going to be funny is it? [08:19] empathy Depends: libunity3 (< 3.4.4) [08:19] yep, X.org has changed the ABI in xserver again [08:19] bryce_: argh! [08:19] pitti, folks had failed to build on amd64 earlier, the dbus pc file thing [08:19] kenvandine: right, retried [08:20] pitti, so i just rebuilt that [08:20] kenvandine: sorry about that, we had a broken dbus in the aarchive for just one hour, and it must have caught that [08:20] waiting for it to publish so empathy can build [08:20] yeah, no worries :) [08:20] kenvandine: out of interest, why would empathy have a < dependency on libunity? [08:20] that was libunity's fault [08:20] shlib [08:21] that changed in today's libunity upload though [08:21] right didrocks? [08:21] kenvandine: ah, typo in the shlibs then? [08:22] didrocks, can you make sure empathy gets built after folks for amd64 gets published? i am exhausted... [08:22] file replacement problem in python-aptdaemon, I'll fix that myself [08:22] not a typo, i think it as intentional [08:22] kenvandine: how can this be intentional? [08:22] kenvandine: anyway, we'll handhold empathy & co, you should go to sleep [08:22] the shlib was >= 3.4.2 and << 3.4.4 [08:23] something like that [08:23] kenvandine: ok, that disqualifies as a typo, but it's still wrong [08:23] it's been a long day :) [08:23] pitti: it wasn't a typo, let me explain you :) [08:24] but first, uploading the fix C/R [08:24] pitti, didrocks had reasons... but it is history now :) [08:24] anyway... thanks guys [08:24] time for some sleep [08:25] good night kenvandine [08:25] and good morning to you :) [08:25] * kenvandine waves! [08:25] kenvandine: sleep well! [08:27] pitti: ok, done. sorry about it :( [08:27] didrocks: no problem, thanks for quick fix! [08:27] I thought about the transition, thought about debian syncing, but got interrupted when doing the transitional package [08:27] :/ [08:28] pitti: so, on libunity [08:28] aptdaemon collected a fair number of upgrade bugs already [08:28] we decided with the dx team that the libunity API/ABI was totally unstable until we have "real" consumers and feature freeze is there [08:28] (unity-places* aren't considered as real consumers) [08:29] so, they broke a lot ABI/API recently [08:29] didrocks: ah, I see [08:29] that's why the packaging was >= and << [08:29] didrocks: so this is just a hack until the final release? [08:29] right :) [08:29] since yesterday, it has now proper symbol tracking [08:30] (note that nux still >= and << as the ABI won't be stable soon, but unity is the only consumer) [08:30] * pitti uploads aptdaemon fix [08:32] pitti: There is a 3.3.1-1ubunutu1 in the ppa with human icons and it actually compiled in finite time. \o/ [08:33] bryce_: is it package already or it won't do it? [08:33] pitti: Do you have a minute to discuss the libreoffice 3.3.1 backporting to maverick mess? [08:35] Sweetshark: niiice! [08:37] bryce_, RAOF: I have had a broken x.org upgrade (package removals) for a few days now; is that known? [08:37] xserver-xorg-input-evdev : Depends: xorg-input-abi-12.1 [08:37] xserver-xorg-input-mouse : Depends: xorg-input-abi-12.1 [08:37] xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse : Depends: xorg-input-abi-12.1 [08:37] xserver-xorg-video-vmware : Depends: xorg-video-abi-9.0 [08:37] I had a long at the 30 hours buildlog and found nothing too suspicious. Seems the builder was just too slow for that tiny package LO [08:38] Sweetshark: I hope the 3.3.1-1ubunutu1 was just an IRC typo, it's not in debian/changelog? [08:38] ubun"u"tu, I mean [08:38] Sweetshark: maverick backport> you mean in a PPA? [08:40] pitti: do you have on your keyboard some umlaut caracters directly accessible? [08:40] like ö [08:40] or do you have to press two keys for that [08:40] didrocks: I normally use US layout, but have German layout configured as well; if I need them, I just switch [08:41] didrocks: in German you have ä, ü, ß, etc. [08:41] pitti: yep, just a typo [08:41] pitti: and for them, you have a direct key for that (no need for " + o for instance)? [08:42] didrocks: yes [08:42] pitti: ok, thanks :) [08:42] didrocks: want to learn German? [08:43] pitti: well, I've done 6 years of German, unfortunately, not a lot of things was kept in my memory :) [08:43] pitti: I was figuring if bug #724747 was valid [08:43] Launchpad bug 724747 in unity "Super key shortcut overlay not working with umlauts, greek/cyrillic letters" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/724747 [08:43] (because a shortcut need a direct key, no key combination :)) [08:43] pitti: sure your mirror is just stale? here evdev depends on -input-abi-12 which is correct [08:44] 2:1.9.99.902-2ubuntu1 0 [08:44] 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ natty/main amd64 Packages [08:44] *** 2:1.9.99.901+git20110131.be3be758-0ubuntu6 0 [08:44] 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status [08:44] ooh [08:44] that must be a leftover from the time when I was using the PPA [08:44] pitti: yes, maverick backport in the ppa. Our glorious debian/rules generates the debian/control from debian/control.in. And it does it different for maverick and natty. Thus, my debian tarball for 3.3.1-1ubuntu1 maverick was different from the one for natty, which made dput very angry after the upload. [08:45] Sweetshark: you need to change the version number anyway [08:45] Sweetshark: 3.3.1-1ubuntu1~maverick [08:46] Sweetshark: even if the source package was absolutely identical (which it can't, because changelog has to say natty vs. maverick), the binaries would build against older libraries [08:46] dpm: good morning - i registered lp:giraffe if you want to propose a merge [08:46] and thus the .debs wouldn't be identical [08:46] hey kamstrup, good morning, cool, thanks :) [08:46] dpm: and I also added you to the giraffe-dev team so you have commit rights [08:46] bryce_, RAOF: unping then, local failure; got it sorted out now [08:47] kamstrup, thanks [08:48] dpm: just whipping up an answer to your mail [08:49] great [08:49] Sweetshark: oh, we need a corresponding -l10n package upload as well, don't we? or does the current 1:3.3.0~rc4-1ubuntu3 work with 3.3.1? [08:50] Sweetshark: I'm testing an upgrade to the PPA now to check for the -l10n compat [08:50] pitti: yep, I will need to do a l10n upload for natty. [08:50] hey everyone, what's the best package to file a bug about the notification popups? [08:52] dpm: notify-osd [08:52] although l10n _should_ not have changed from 3.3.0 to 3.3.1, but it might contain fixes. [08:52] thanks pitti [08:57] Sweetshark: it seems to work well with the current -l10n [08:58] Sweetshark: so, I'm happy to sponsor this to natty now, all ok from your side? [08:58] yep [08:58] what about FF? [09:00] Sweetshark: are there so many new features between 3.3.0 and 3.3.1? [09:00] in the past these were bug fixes (mostly anyway) [09:00] Sweetshark: but anyway, we wouldn't want to release natty with a release candidate when there's a newer final bug fix release out [09:02] Sweetshark: I'll spend a minute trying to craft a better source.changes, so that you see all changes since natty, not just the single "merge remaining changes from debian up to 3.3.1-1 [09:02] bah, empathy can't be installed on natty :( [09:02] hello pitti [09:02] Sweetshark: FYI, you can do that more easily during source package build, next time you do an upload I'll tell you [09:02] hey seb128 [09:02] xclaesse: on amd64? being worked on [09:02] yeah, amd64 [09:03] xclaesse: should be sorted out in about two hours [09:03] dpm: you've got mail :-) [09:03] pitti, great :D [09:03] thx [09:03] pitti: k, will do. [09:03] pitti, how are you? [09:05] seb128: bit tired, but ok otherwise; did you sleep better last night? [09:05] 3.3.1 is really a bugfix release, so it is ok I guess although with LO there is still a lot of change even on the release branch. [09:05] pitti, yeah, I slept well this night and feel better today, thanks [09:05] Sweetshark: oh, we need to sync openoffice.org from Debian for that, right? [09:05] seb128: great! [09:06] dput -u libreoffice_3.3.1-1ubuntu1_source.changes [09:06] wheeee! [09:07] Sweetshark: congratulations! that's your first Ubuntu upload! [09:07] * pitti hugs Sweetshark [09:07] pitti: we might even need our own "release" for the openoffice.org transitionals. [09:08] Sweetshark: ah, so we do need Ubuntu changes? [09:08] Sweetshark: should I sync the package for now, or do you want to prepare a custom upload right away? [09:08] * Sweetshark jumps around happily and vainly takes a peek at his karma in launchpad. [09:08] Sweetshark: karma will take a bit to catch the upload [09:09] * Sweetshark wont get tired of hitting F5 [09:09] hehe [09:09] Sweetshark, congrats! [09:10] kamstrup, got it, reading... :-) [09:10] pitti: I would think I take a look the openoffice.org package. We already have the 3.3.0 transitionals in natty, they should do for now, right? [09:11] Sweetshark: I thought you dropped them from the current libo? [09:11] morning [09:11] so no need to sync openoffice.org from debian right now. [09:11] didrocks: ah, window decorations back to normal after full upgrade [09:12] Sweetshark: the old transitional packages from the previous version will be NBS, so it'll do for now [09:12] Sweetshark: oh, "NBS" -- means "not built from source" [09:12] Sweetshark: i. e. the .debs stay in the archive until we clean them up manually, but they do not have any source package which builds them [09:12] Sweetshark: we can't release with NBS packages, but for a limited time period they are ok [09:12] pitti: nice :) [09:12] pitti: understood. [09:13] Sweetshark: can you please also prepare a matching -l10n? [09:13] * pitti disappears for breakfast/shower for a bit [09:15] pitti: will do [09:19] didrocks, well won't do it for now. It'd be fairly sadistic to break -nvidia now that we finally have a working driver [09:20] bryce_: ok :) [09:21] I think we'll have to digest the abi change at some point though. But not right now. [09:21] bryce_: oh btw, did you rememberabout my magnetic effect issue? [09:21] bryce_: it seems I only have it when I have just one monitor connected [09:21] bryce_: when I'm using twinview with two monitors, no issue… [09:21] didrocks, I haven't forgotten, sorry it's still bugging you [09:22] now that's plain old weird [09:22] yeah [09:22] I think we should wait for the next nvidia driver anyway [09:22] didrocks, ok works for me [09:23] you've been the only person noticing this bug so far, so might be something quirky with your hw [09:23] bryce_: loicm as it as well [09:23] has* [09:24] and same for him, only with unity enabled [09:24] didrocks, hm that makes it sound worse [09:25] right [09:25] didrocks, I think the next action for the bug is probably to forward it upstream [09:25] bryce_: yeah, but they will ask to test with the latest nvidia first :-) [09:25] as it sounds like we're out of ideas on things to try here [09:25] didrocks, yep [09:25] so, that's the pre-next action ;-) [09:26] heh, right :-) [09:26] meanwhile, you can play with wayland :-) [09:27] bryce_: hum, I need a working unity you know :-) [09:27] nice work on wayland btw! [09:29] didrocks, I hope in natty+1 we maybe can get unity+nouveau to be not such a massive headache [09:30] nouveau needs a lot of TLC, but maybe we can do it [09:31] bryce_: oh? you think it's achievable? [09:32] didrocks, I think it's a worthy goal for us X guys [09:33] that would be excellent :) [09:33] didrocks, we need to be able to provide you with a FOSS driver that doesn't suck [09:34] anyway, nice chatting, cya later! [09:34] bryce_: yeah, right now, there are a lot of mem leaks on nouveau if I understood correctly [09:34] bryce_: have a nice evening :) [09:43] Sweetshark: btw, you need to close the human icons bug manually [09:43] (will give you more karma, yummy!) [09:44] Sweetshark: the usual way to do that is to write a line in the changelog like [09:44] * Add back Human icons. (LP: #123456) [09:44] Sweetshark: the "LP: #xxxx" syntax is magic, and will cause LP to close the bug with the changelog on upload [09:46] pitti: k [09:46] Sweetshark: oh, I'll change the seeds back from libreoffice-style-tango to libreoffice-style-human, ok? [09:47] Sweetshark: (do you know "seeds"?) [09:48] no idea [09:48] The new shortcuts in the unity launcher are awesome! However, I've got a question: the old Super+W and Super+A shortcuts, have now been replaced to show all workspaces and the applications place, respectively. Does anyone know if there are new shortcuts for the old functionality (i.e. Super+w to show all windows in the current workspace, Super+a to show windows in all workspaces)? [09:48] Sweetshark: so, the "seeds" are a list of top-level packages which we want in a default install [09:48] just guessing... just guessed right. [09:48] Sweetshark: a program "germinate" computes the full set of pacakges on the CDs from that, including the transitive dependencies [09:48] Sweetshark: i. e. it says which apps/pacakges we actually "want" [09:49] Sweetshark: we "want" empathy, we don't "want" libc6 or libreoffice-common [09:49] pitti: does that include "suggests"? [09:49] Sweetshark: no, only depends and recommends [09:49] by definition, those ^ are installed by default, suggests aren't [09:49] Sweetshark: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement FYI [09:50] Sweetshark: oh argh, libo doesn't build -- it's waiting on an unavailable build dependency (this is called "depwait") [09:50] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/1:3.3.1-1ubuntu1/+buildjob/2285894 [09:50] ah, ok. Because the libreoffice-gtk integration suggests tango, which still makes IMHO ... [09:50] Sweetshark: apparently it grew a new build dependency to "epm", which is in universe [09:50] meh [09:50] Sweetshark: do we really need epm? [09:51] I just wondered myself. [09:51] Sweetshark: in this case there's two options: (1) drop the dependency, (2) move the package to main, which requires a thorough review, and will only be done for packages which we can sanely support [09:51] we shouldnt, but maybe we do because of the way lo-build/debian does this. [09:52] Sweetshark: is it actually called during package build, or do you only need it to prepare the source pacakge? [09:58] pitti: meh, thats another tricky one. We need epm for the smoketest. And there is code that disables smoketest on buildd builds: that is, it the control file is build on a buildd build, the var ON_BUILDD is set so that rules would generate a control file without epm and without smoketest. [09:58] can someone review/merge/upload this -> https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/natty/gnome-settings-daemon/fix-666806/+merge/51177 please? [09:59] Sweetshark: hang on, it regenerates debian/control on the buildds? uh [09:59] pitti: I wonder how that should work, generating the control file on buildds. [09:59] Sweetshark: if we won't need it anyway then, perhaps the simplest solution is to just drop it [09:59] Sweetshark: it generally doesn't; it's a very bad practice [10:00] pitti: right, thats strange. [10:00] rodrigo_: will do [10:00] pitti, can you upgrade ppa builds score? [10:00] pitti, thanks, it's from the patch pilot thing [10:01] pitti, or does score only work for the main builders? [10:01] seb128: yes [10:01] seb128: and no [10:01] pitti, can you raise the score on https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppa/+buildjob/2285941 ? [10:01] pitti, compiz's update crash on start here [10:01] I could just regenerate the control file with "./debian/rules control ON_BUILDD=y", edit the changelog to ubuntu2 and reupload ... [10:01] seb128: done [10:01] pitti, I've uploaded a debug version to the ppa [10:01] pitti, thanks [10:02] Sweetshark: heh, sure [10:02] Sweetshark: btw, you built the previous package with '-sa', right? [10:02] Sweetshark: as we now already have the orig tarballs in Launchpad (and in the PPA), you don't need -sa any more; will be a much smaller/quicker upload then [10:03] i still have not got my head around all the switches. I guess I did a debuild -S. [10:03] Sweetshark: bug 696527 should be "fix released" [10:03] Launchpad bug 696527 in libreoffice "LibreOffice - Human icons theme disabled, patch needs an update" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/696527 [10:04] Sweetshark: ok, so debuild -S was clever enough to include the orig then; nevermind [10:04] Sweetshark: "fix committed" is the right state when you put a fix into some git or bzr, but haven't uplaoded yet [10:04] Sweetshark: (sorry about all those new things today..) [10:05] pitti: well, that is exactly the state currently: fixed, but not uploaded [10:05] Sweetshark: hmkay, due to the current "doesn't build" [10:06] pitti: or could I upload a fixed 1ubuntu1? Probably not. [10:07] Sweetshark: no [10:07] once the source is in LP, it is set in stone [10:07] k [10:07] Sweetshark: fortunately there is a sufficient amount of natural numbers :) [10:16] hello everyone! the gnome-terminal can only be resized in fixed-sized steps, thus it's not working well together with the grid plugin. is this something worth a bug report or rather something we have to live with? [10:18] pitti: should use debuild -S again, or is there something better suited? [10:20] Sweetshark: no, that's _the_ command to build a source package (unless you use git-buildpackage and friends) [10:20] htorque: here I can resize it in the steps of the size of a letter -- that seems right to me? you certainly don't want to see half a line somewhere [10:22] pitti: should upload to the ppa again? im not allowed to main? [10:23] pitti: right, it makes sense, it just looks odd when eg. splitting two gnome-terminals to each half of the desktop (you'll get empty space in between) [10:23] Sweetshark: I think the quickest would be if you could scp debian.tar, dsc, and source.changes to chinstrap [10:24] pitti: if you maximize a gnome-terminal, you don't see half lines at the bottom [10:24] Sweetshark: I'll sign the changes there, and upload [10:24] htorque: ah, I never actually wondered how it does that; perhaps just coincidence that it usually looks like it'd just fit [10:28] here's what i'm talking about: http://img.xrmb2.net/images/841674.png - it's not the end of the world, but it's "natty-like" if other windows do completely extent to the borders :) [10:29] *not "natty-like" [10:31] pitti: files are in my ${HOME} on chinstrap, where should I move them? [10:32] Sweetshark: that's fine [10:32] doh [10:32] why can't intel write a driver which doesn't crash when you vt switch [10:32] seb128: you missed the debian.tar.gz [10:32] ;-) [10:32] sorry [10:32] pitti, what? [10:32] Sweetshark: you missed the debian.tar.gz [10:33] oh ok [10:33] Sweetshark: (and the source.build isn't necessary) [10:34] TheMuso: can you please have a look at bug 681412? I've got a question for you there; thanks! [10:34] Launchpad bug 681412 in at-spi "Can not enter password for Administrative tasks using Onboard Keyboard" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/681412 [10:34] pitti: now its there [10:36] Sweetshark: sent launchpadwards [10:36] Sweetshark: thanks! [10:40] dbarth, didrocks: do you know whether https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-dx-n-unity-a11y is up to date? it seems quite behind [10:41] pitti: let me look [10:41] I would say atk isn't finished, so all are in progress as it should [10:41] (well, I mean, reflecting the reality of the code) [10:42] so should we move that to beta-1 then? [10:42] a3 freeze is next Tuesday, seems unlikely to land before that? [10:43] pitti: still some atk thing will land on monday, so maybe waiting for that? [10:43] ok [10:43] btw, would be nice if someone can tackle bug #723782 [10:43] Launchpad bug 723782 in gnome-session "Finalize gnome-session fallback detection" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/723782 [10:44] I'm trying to clean up http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-desktop-team-natty-alpha-3.html as that is despeartely behind [10:44] I tried to describe everything there [10:44] as I certainly won't have the time to do it to focus on unity hacking [10:45] didrocks: ok, will have a look at find someone [10:46] pitti: thanks a lot! [10:46] if it needs more explanation, I can give them [10:51]