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marjohi ara!15:53
arahello marjo :)15:53
skaet_hi marjo, ara,  - cool,  we'll have a crisp start.  :)15:54
marjoskaet: i think it's going to be a lively start!15:57
* joshuahoover waves15:58
rsalvetiskaet_: I'll be replacing ogra today15:58
rsalvetifor arm15:59
Davieyo/15:59
mvohello, I'm here for Colin15:59
skaet_thanks rsalveti, mvo :)15:59
skaet_Daviey, you or zul today?15:59
Davieyskaet_, me16:00
skaet_coolio,  and on that note,  I guess its time to begin.  :)16:00
skaet_#startmeeting16:00
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skaet_[Topic] Natty overview - skaet16:00
skaet_Agenda is at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-02-2516:00
skaet_Milestoned bugs for alpha3 can be found https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.milestone=33573.16:00
skaet_A3 release is March 3rd.16:00
skaet_A3 freeze is Feb 28 at 2300 UTC (for those who are pushing to the last minute to fix bugs :) )16:00
MootBotNew Topic:  Natty overview - skaet16:00
skaet_There is alot of cruft in our bug database right now, and its showing up in the report.  I'd like to request the leads to please review the bugs in your section, and let me know which ones, in your opinion, are really critical to focus on for A3 over the next couple of days when you go through your status.16:00
skaet_Reminder:   please use ".." on separate line when you've finished typing.   If someone wants to comment on the last point, please "o/", so we know to wait.16:00
skaet_Any questions?16:00
skaet_..16:01
pittiAWTY?16:01
skaet_?16:01
pitti(ignore me, SCNR)16:01
pittiskaet_: "are we there yet"16:01
skaet_thanks pitti.  :)16:01
skaet_ok, not seeing any questions,  bug please let me know which bugs are critical in your mind (or if the critical ones are even on the list) when we get to your turn.16:02
skaet_time for the roundtable then...16:02
skaet_[Topic] QA team update - marjo16:03
MootBotNew Topic:  QA team update - marjo16:03
marjohi folks16:03
marjo * Natty Alpha 3 Work Items16:03
marjo http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-platform-qa-natty-alpha-3.html16:03
marjo https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-bug-handling16:03
marjo https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-qa-n-testing-different-architectures16:03
marjo On track.16:03
marjo https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/cloud-server-n-uec-qa16:03
marjo Work items blocked on: server ISO not installable16:03
marjo https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/base-installer/+bug/72482216:03
marjo Previously blocked on:16:03
marjo https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/72314816:03
marjo https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/72424216:03
ubottuUbuntu bug 724822 in base-installer (Ubuntu) "d-i installer fails for server/alternate i386/amd64: Corrupted deb files on iso" [Critical,Fix released]16:03
ubottuUbuntu bug 723148 in debian-installer (Ubuntu) "Natty server ISO images fail to install" [High,Fix released]16:03
ubottuUbuntu bug 724242 in udev (Ubuntu Natty) "alternate and server images fail to install: d-i stops with "Your installation CD-ROM couldn't be mounted"" [High,Fix released]16:03
marjo QA Dashboard16:04
marjo http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/qadashboard/qadashboard.html16:04
marjoNote unity and xserver-xorg-video-intel are in both the "Last Day" and "Last 7 Days" metrics.16:04
marjo * Testing status:16:04
marjo Desktop Automated Testing results16:04
marjohttp://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/desktop-testing/natty/16:04
marjojibel is investigating a failure with aboutme16:04
marjoList of bugs found is at the bottom of page.16:04
MootBotLINK received:  http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/desktop-testing/natty/16:04
marjo Server Automated Testing results16:04
marjo http://204.236.234.12/view/ISO-server-Natty/?16:04
marjo 22 failures are mostly due to images not installing.16:04
marjo Automatic Upgrade Testing16:05
marjo  http://people.canonical.com/~mvo/automatic-upgrade-testing/current/16:05
marjo  per mvo, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sudo/+bug/690873 and the main-all bug is https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/71507516:05
ubottuUbuntu bug 690873 in sudo (Ubuntu Natty) "latest natty sudo upgrade prompts for conffile update and potentially removes %admin from /etc/sudoers" [High,Triaged]16:05
marjo..16:05
skaet_thanks marjo!16:05
pittiimpressive increasing of #tests over time!16:05
marjopitti: thx and QA team continuing to add tests16:06
marjothx to jibel, patrickmw, pedro, hggdh, bdmurray16:06
marjo..16:06
skaet_marjo,  which bugs are still blocking for A3 image creation right now?16:06
skaet_in what you're seeing?16:07
marjoskaet: a3 image creation?! i can't speak for that16:07
jdstrandskaet_: I plan to start looking at that stuff btw, now that we are past FF16:07
skaet_heh, should reword,  sorry.16:07
jibelskaet_, empathy is not installable16:07
marjoskaet: ??16:07
jdstrandskaet_: and fix what I am able to16:07
skaet_install blocking...16:07
pittijibel: on amd64?16:07
hggdhthe last known one was today's d-i bug (just fixed)16:07
jibelpitti, right,16:07
pittijibel: fixed around noon16:08
skaet_jdstrand, jibel, hggdh - cool.  thanks!16:08
pittiwas fallout from last night's unity and dbus update16:08
marjoskaet: ah, hggdh & jibel just answered that16:08
skaet_thanks16:08
skaet_any other questions?16:08
pittiskaet_: CD builds failed this morning due to aptdaemon, I fixed that16:09
pittiotherwise they should work16:09
skaet_pitti,  :D  thanks.16:09
marjopitti: thx much!16:09
skaet_[Topic] Hardware Certification team update - ara16:09
MootBotNew Topic:  Hardware Certification team update - ara16:09
hggdhof interest is bug 723482, which seems to affect installations with multiple filesystems16:09
araHello!16:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 723482 in mountall (Ubuntu) "system hangs on boot after updates from 2011-02-22" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72348216:09
araThis week has been a bit of a nightmare in terms of testing. We haven't had a good image all week, so we were not able to test Natty in our labs.16:10
araThe alternate image had 3 issues (one new everyday):16:10
ara[LINK] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72314816:10
ara[LINK] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72424216:10
ara[LINK] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72482216:10
MootBotLINK received:  https://launchpad.net/bugs/72314816:10
MootBotLINK received:  https://launchpad.net/bugs/72424216:10
ubottuUbuntu bug 723148 in debian-installer (Ubuntu) "Natty server ISO images fail to install" [High,Fix released]16:10
MootBotLINK received:  https://launchpad.net/bugs/72482216:10
ubottuUbuntu bug 724242 in udev (Ubuntu Natty) "alternate and server images fail to install: d-i stops with "Your installation CD-ROM couldn't be mounted"" [High,Fix released]16:10
ubottuUbuntu bug 724822 in base-installer (Ubuntu) "d-i installer fails for server/alternate i386/amd64: Corrupted deb files on iso" [Critical,Fix released]16:10
araThe Live Cd has a memory leak, that it is preventing us for testing it as well:16:10
ara[LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/71482916:10
MootBotLINK received:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/71482916:10
ubottuUbuntu bug 714829 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "Xorg segfaults during LiveCD installation using preseed file" [High,Incomplete]16:10
marjoara: bugs look familiar :)16:10
araGood news on the Live CD: Daniel is testing the fix proposed in the above bug, and he thinks that it might solve the issue. He needs to do some more investiagation.16:10
araLet's hope next week we get a good image that finishes installation and we can go back to our HW testing and bootchart metrics.16:10
ara..16:10
skaet_thanks ara.16:11
marjoara: thx looking forward to it!16:11
skaet_any questions?16:11
skaet_hggdh,  bug noted.   thanks.16:11
skaet_[Topic] Security team update - jdstrand16:12
MootBotNew Topic:  Security team update - jdstrand16:12
jdstrand[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty16:12
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty16:12
jdstrand[LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-security.html16:12
MootBotLINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-security.html16:12
jdstrandWe got apparmor 2.6 uploaded before feature freeze. It is currently in NEW because of the new python-libapparmor package -- since I uploaded it, I can't process it so if a listening archive admin wants to take care of it, that would be great.16:12
jdstrandWe have no remaining milestoned features or bugs for alpha-3. We are below the trend line on work items overall.16:12
skaet_:)16:13
jdstrandOther than what is in the links, that's it16:13
jdstrand..16:13
skaet_thanks jdstrand.   of the bugs I've got listed in your area that you're interested in - are they the right ones,  or am I missing some?16:13
skaet_area of the agenda report?16:14
jdstrandskaet_: let me check16:14
skaet_jdstrand, thanks!16:14
skaet_any other questions before I move on while jdstrand is checking?16:15
skaet_[Topic] Kernel team update - smb16:15
MootBotNew Topic:  Kernel team update - smb16:15
smbHi there16:15
skaet_hi16:15
smbOverall status is reported at the first link below.  Burn down for the release milestone is at the second link below.  Burndown for the cycle is at the third link:16:15
smb[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty16:15
smb[LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-kernel-team-natty-alpha-3.html16:15
smb[LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-kernel-team.svg16:15
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty16:15
MootBotLINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-kernel-team-natty-alpha-3.html16:15
smbWe are a bit above the line on the burn-down but that is mostly an artifact of there being so very few specific items for our team.  The natty kernel is now at v2.6.38-5.32 (v2.6.38-rc5 based).  Overall we have most of our development out of the way, with just the ecryptfs long filename work ongoing, we are now tracking mainline and fielding issues as they appear.  Mainline progress towards a final release are continuing satisfactorily.  The16:15
MootBotLINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-kernel-team.svg16:15
smbmain concern currently is the vesafb interaction with the intel DRM drivers which is triggering GPU hang reports, this is next weeks focus.16:15
smbOf the bugs called out on the agenda against the kernel, status is as below:16:15
smb#344878 ecryptfs long filename prototype continues to evolve with a second push going to upstream, the on-disk format is not yet agreed and this is highly unlikely to be resolved in time;16:15
smb#539467 SATA alpm is now disabled in userspace, testing with upstream recommendations are ongoing;16:15
smb#542660 still present, further upstream testing requested;16:15
smb#630748 remains waiting on Intel for updated wireless firmware;16:15
smb#634487 investigations just beginning;16:15
smb#636091 is looking like a locking issue in USB, possibly to do with the BKL, waiting on reporter; and16:15
smb#702090 looks to be an interaction with vesafb, upstream are saying "don't do that".16:16
smbThe other "driver" bugs have yet to be reviewed; status will be added to the kernel report next week (first link).16:16
jdstrandskaet_: you are missing 712662 714908 71495816:16
smbAs people may have noticed, this is the brain dump of apw (who may be able to listen but has too big fingers to type quickly enough on his phone.16:16
smb..16:16
skaet_lol  :)16:16
skaet_thanks smb.16:17
skaet_of the bugs listed in the agenda - which are the true blockers in your mind for A3 image release?16:17
skaet_if there are no other questions for smb,  I'm happy to go on and let him look in the background.16:18
skaet_other questions?16:18
skaet_jdstrand,  thanks,  will add them.16:18
smbskaet_, Will look.16:18
skaet_smb,  thanks.16:18
skaet_Topic] Foundations team update - mvo16:19
mvoI stand in for Colin today to represent the foundations team16:19
mvoWhat we did:16:19
mvobarry release a new computer-janitor; evan worked on /home preservation and a great new partition page in ubiquity; doko packaged python3.2-final and jamvm plus bootstrap work; cjwatson was doing bootstrap work and biosdevname packaging; mvo merged a new apt, uploaded apt-btrfs-snapshot, software-center work and worked on testing python 2.6 -> 2.7 upgrades in the auto-upgrade-tester; jhunt merged all the upstrart work into lp:~upstart-devel/16:19
mvohttp://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/natty/canonical-foundations.html16:19
MootBotLINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/natty/canonical-foundations.html16:19
mvofeatures for a3:16:19
mvopackageselection-foundations-n-finish-upstart: in progress, jhunt has a PPA ready16:19
mvopackageselection-n-network-stack: done, waits on NEW/MIR16:19
mvobugs:16:19
mvo #638307 - under investigation, needs coordination with debian16:19
mvo #684083 - waits for confirmation of the reporter that its fixed (or not)16:19
mvo #692691 - only affects grub1, still needs fixing16:19
mvo #684703 - packages should update their symbol file to use (c++) tag16:19
mvo #709191 - under investigation, could be correupted apt cache file16:19
mvo #711896 - looks like a badly timmed upgrade when the archive was in a lot of churn (i.e. the right packages not yet rebuild)16:19
mvo #712173 - waits on debug logs16:19
mvo #712554 - pitti will look at it16:19
mvo #712654 - unclear if its a bug outside of virtualbox16:19
mvo #655950 - should get fixed with the new parition screen evan works on16:20
mvo #605042 - we need help from someone with a arm board here (ogra?)16:20
mvo #634487 - invalid for java16:20
mvo #672177 - fixed, just needs uploading16:20
mvo #675347 - waiting on upstream, we have a workaround16:20
mvo #719129 - under investigation, there is a upstream patch now16:20
mvo(done)16:20
mvowe will do some cleanup on the buglist, there are some dubious ones on it really16:20
mvo(really done now :)16:20
skaet_thanks mvo  :)16:20
skaet_can you also let me now asynchronously,  which are the real ones to focus on unsticking for A3.16:21
skaet_?16:21
skaet_I agree there are some dubious ones being turned up on the list right now.  :P16:21
mvoI guess the grub and ubiquity ones16:21
skaet_ok,  give me the bug numbers, and I'm probably going to into the agenda and do something to make them stand out, for focus, while we clean up cruft.16:23
skaet_any other questions for mvo?16:23
mvothanks, I will do that async then16:23
skaet_thanks!  :)16:23
skaet_[Topic] Server team update - Daviey16:23
MootBotNew Topic:  Server team update - Daviey16:23
Davieyo/16:23
Daviey== Status ==16:23
Davieyhttp://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-server-natty-alpha-3.html16:23
Davieyhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty16:23
MootBotLINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-server-natty-alpha-3.html16:23
Daviey== Milestoned Bugs ==16:24
Davieybug 580319 - Spamaps currently Investigating.16:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 580319 in dhcp3 (Ubuntu Natty) "dhcp3-server launches before upstart brings all interface, thus failing to start" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/58031916:24
smbskaet_, Only 702090 seems really of importance16:24
Davieybug 590201 - hallyn currently investigating16:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 590201 in qemu-kvm (Ubuntu Natty) "OpenSolaris (previously working) no longer boots: kernel panics early" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59020116:24
Davieybug 697753 - Will be fixed in next upload16:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 697753 in eucalyptus (Ubuntu Natty) "bittorrent recommendation prevents bittorrent demotion" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/69775316:24
Davieybug 711587 - RoAkSoAx investigating16:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 711587 in eucalyptus (Ubuntu Natty) "powernap and Eucalyptus seem unable to reach an understanding" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/71158716:24
Davieybug 517300 - Waiting on upstream to land fix from maverick, then sync.16:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 517300 in likewise-open (Ubuntu Natty) "[armel] likewise-open needs porting to ARM" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51730016:24
Davieybug 717166 - Daviey working with upstream to resolve16:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 717166 in eucalyptus (Ubuntu Natty) "Broken with v4 isc-dhcp-server in Natty" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/71716616:24
Davieybug 724470 - Daviey working on. Good progress16:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 724470 in eucalyptus (Ubuntu) "apache2: symbol lookup error: /etc/eucalyptus/axis2/services/EucalyptusNC/libEucalyptusNC.so: undefined symbol: rampart_print_security_processed_results_set" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72447016:24
Davieybug 600174 - doko pushed a new upstream version to PPA which builds, disecting to find the resolution has been hard.16:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 600174 in axis2c (Ubuntu Natty) "axis2c fails to build from source on maverick/i386" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60017416:24
Daviey== Work Items / Specs ==16:24
Davieyhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/cloud-server-n-image-rebundle16:24
DavieyOutstanding commited work items are purely out of archive documentation work, not restricted by the release schedule.16:24
Davieyhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/cloud-server-n-containers-in-uec16:25
DavieyMaking good progress, requires some further work, upstream review, merging and a FFe.16:25
Davieyhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/cloud-server-n-cloud-images16:25
DavieyOver the hump of the alpha-3 work items, remaining is one is to verify a feature (hopefuly complete today) and secondly a new tool to manipulate the an image, where the FFe is being composed at the moment16:25
Davieyhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-server-n-java-library-housekeeping16:25
DavieyRemaining work item for A3 is to regress test and file a FFe for a main sync.16:25
Davieyhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-server-n-cluster-stack16:25
DavieyWork items for A-3 complete, or suitably postponed. \o/16:25
Davieyhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/cloud-server-n-cloud-init16:25
DavieyRemaining work items are documentation, out of archive.16:25
Davieyhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/cloud-server-n-openstack-integration16:25
DavieyTracking upstream nicely, awaiting update on dashboard progress - If that makes Natty it will be a universe NEW package.  Possible it might just be a PPA upload.16:25
Davieyhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/cloud-server-n-containers-finetune16:25
DavieyTotally complete, \o/16:25
Davieyhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-server-n-hudson16:25
DavieyExcellent progress, spec is mainly a (complicated!) semi-supported PPA and nearing completion.16:25
Davieyhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/cloud-server-n-openstack-integration16:25
DavieyGood progress, appears to be below trend as most of WI are regarding tracking upstream for snapshots.  All Universe related work.16:25
Davieyhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/cloud-server-n-install-service16:25
DavieyMaking progress, the main assignee has been travelling - but pace should increase soon.16:25
Daviey== General ==16:25
DavieyWe are making good progress on release critical issues, the primary concern for me at the moment is some of the eucalyptus issues.  The items that appear to be behind trend are largely documentation refresh, or PPA related work items; which are not subject to the relevant freezes - but are still on track for A3 release as a target.  Most of this week we've had a non-functional daily ISO.  We should be expecting more daily testing next week, w16:25
Davieyhich may uncover more issues - but generally the platform is looking reasonably stable.16:25
Daviey...16:26
skaet_Daviey thanks!   sounding very good indeed.16:26
Davieyskaet_, groovy!16:26
skaet_Is the list I've got in the agenda for your bugs, got the important ones on it?16:27
* Daviey rechecks16:27
skaet_any other questions?16:27
* skaet_ will let Daviey recheck asynch16:27
Davieyskaet_, I'll make a point of double checking out of band16:27
Davieythanks16:27
skaet_thanks!16:28
skaet_[Topic] Desktop team update - pitti16:28
MootBotNew Topic:  Desktop team update - pitti16:28
pittiBlueprint implementation:16:28
pitti- On track for entire cycle16:28
pitti- Alpha-3: got close to trend line after some cleanup16:28
pitti  * a lot is DX integration (which we need to wait on); biggest one is Unity16:28
pitti  * a11y support, for which there is another code drop planned next Monday, to16:28
pitti  * close some (not all) WIs the quickly ones are blocked on landing additional16:28
pitti  * Launchpad API; moved to beta-1 now, will most likely be moved to o-series16:28
pittiGeneral status:16:28
pitti- feature development has settled down, working a lot on bug fixes now16:28
pitti- new Unity/Compiz/nux releases caused some temporary archive breakage, but settled now16:28
pitti- new LibreOffice 3.3.1 microrelease uploaded; part of it is bringing back the Human icons16:28
pitti- utouch stack is in main now16:28
pittiRC bug status: details at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus#rcbugs16:28
pitti- most of them are coming in and get fixed without much noise, but these two are worth calling out:16:28
pitti- bug 710582: getting behind; asked Robert about the status, will get some extra hands on Monday if he doesn't have time16:28
pitti- bug 637827: still no response from Mozilla despite repeated poking16:28
ubottuLaunchpad bug 710582 in webkit (Ubuntu Natty) "webkit crashes on amd64 architecture with SIGSEGV in WTF::OSAllocator::reserveAndCommit() was: webkit does not implement "assert" sanely" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/71058216:28
ubottuLaunchpad bug 637827 in firefox (Ubuntu Natty) "Firefox and Thunderbird (XUL) menus don't appear in the global menu bar" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63782716:28
pittiThere's one thing I'd like to discuss and point out here:16:29
pittiwe currently have swt-gtk in main, since eucalyptus builds against it; however, it's not really maintained, and uses the old xulrunner-1.9.2, which we must remove from main (and possibly from the archive)16:29
pittithe best thing would be if we could drop eucalyptus' dependency on swt-gtk (it doesn't have a GTKish frontend anyway, does it?); Daviey, is there any chance we could do this?16:29
pittialternatively swt-gtk needs to be ported to xulrunner-2.0; Chris already looked at this, but it's a huge task, and neither the current nor the ported version actually work; we don't have a Java specialist in the desktop team, so if this should be done, we need help for this16:29
pitti..16:29
skaet_thanks pitti!16:29
pitti(sorry for the broken enumeration in the first part)16:29
pittiskaet_: as for A3 blocker, that's mainly #71058216:29
Davieypitti, I had a couple of outstanding questions with chrisccoulson... I should have chased them16:29
pittiwe'll open a bug report about this now, to track/discuss the issue16:30
Davieypitti, If i can have a swt-gtk package built without xulrunner, would make things much easier to regress test.16:30
skaet_pitti,  am in awe of your burndown chart record this release.... very impressive.16:30
pittiDaviey: are we going to keep euca for natty, or will we move to openstack?16:30
chrisccoulsonDaviey, the issue with that is it breaks eclipse :(16:30
Daviey(ideally one that works on *maverick*, natty euca platform is too unstable to check it against)16:30
chrisccoulson(eclipse is using the browser part of swt-gtk)16:30
Davieypitti, openstack is purely universe for this release16:31
pittiDaviey: does euca actually use anything desktop-ish? I thought it was a web frontend16:31
chrisccoulsoni don't really care about the other packages that are using the browser part of swt-gtk (vuze, tuxguitar etc), but if I break eclipse then I will be very unpopular16:31
Davieypitti, it is purely web based16:31
pittiDaviey: right, that made me wonder why it needs gtk at all16:31
Davieypitti, but note, that the gwt library is an abused version.16:31
Daviey(as in, heavily modified... and everyone is scared to touch it.)16:32
pittiit should also be noted, if we go the porting route, this will need to happen every three months16:32
chrisccoulsonwhich is why i want to get xulrunner out of main :)16:33
Davieychrisccoulson / pitti: other than supporting xulrunner in main, what is the main gain for this work?16:33
pittiDaviey: that very; xulrunner API/ABI will change every three months now, and thus we get rid of it where we can16:34
DavieyOh i see16:34
pittiit'll also help to reduce some space on the server CDs, but that's secondary16:35
Davieypitti / chrisccoulson: if you can get be a package built without xulrunner, i'll make sure it's tested16:35
chrisccoulsonalso, having it in main implies a commitment to support it for the life of an ubuntu release16:35
chrisccoulsonwhich is going to be difficult16:35
pittiDaviey: I'm afraid we dont know euca at all16:35
Davieypitti, oh, not expecting you to touch euca! :)16:35
pittithis was brought into main for euca16:35
chrisccoulsonwe already backported 1.9.2 to all supported ubuntu releases (to replace the obsolete 1.9), and that was a significant amount of work16:35
Davieypitti, i mean, a swt-gtk package built without xulrunner16:35
DavieyOr have i missunderstood the predicament?16:36
pittiDaviey: we can't16:36
chrisccoulsondoing that every few months on 4-5 supported ubuntu releases is basically a full-time job ;)16:36
pittiDaviey: swt-gtk needs xulrunner16:36
pittiDaviey: the question is to drop swt-gtk from euca16:36
DavieyAhhhhh!16:36
DavieyOkay... i didn't understand the issue correctly.. sorry16:36
pittisince euca doesn't actually seem to need any GTK/SWT stuff (being a server/web frontend app)16:36
Davieypitti, I'll test a maverick euca cloud without swt-gtk, and therefore xulrunner this week16:37
DavieyI'll update the bug that is about to be raised :)16:37
pittiDaviey: great, many thanks16:37
skaet_cool.16:37
Davieymaverick being a working platform is a better comparison16:37
skaet_pitti,  thanks for highlighting the A3 blocker,  will make sure its left highlighted in the scrubbing.16:37
skaet_any other questions for pitti?16:37
skaet_[Topic] Ubuntu One Team - joshuahoover16:38
MootBotNew Topic:  Ubuntu One Team - joshuahoover16:38
joshuahoover[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/NattyReleaseStatus16:38
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/NattyReleaseStatus16:38
joshuahooverdetails on where we're at with blueprints and releases are in the link above16:38
joshuahooverwe nearly got everything in prior to feature freeze yesterday but missed a (relatively small) feature that we'd still like to get in for notifying users they've exceeded their quota, which is made up of 3 tasks: bug #702172 #702176 #70218316:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 702172 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) "Syncdaemon needs to send a notification when a folder shared to the user exceeds the owning user's quota" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/70217216:38
joshuahooveri haven't filed the exception yet as we're seeing if we can have it ready by tuesday, if we can't then we're not going to try to get the freeze exception16:38
joshuahooverearly next week we're reviewing ui changes and finalizing them so we hit ui and string freezes16:39
joshuahooverwe're now busy prioritizing u1 bugs to fix since new features are complete...i should have an updated list on our release status page by next meeting16:39
joshuahooverand that's it for this week for u1 - questions?16:39
joshuahoover..16:39
skaet_thanks joshuahoover!16:39
skaet_are the bugs I've got listed on the agenda matching up with the ones you're focusing on?16:40
joshuahooverskaet_: yes, plus possibly others :)16:40
skaet_joshuahoover, cool.   let me know the others asynch.16:41
skaet_any that you consider blockers for releasing A3 at this point?16:41
joshuahooverskaet_: no16:42
skaet_cool.   just wanted to double check.16:42
skaet_any other questions?16:42
skaet_[Topic] Kubuntu Team update - Riddell16:42
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* skaet_ looks around and sees that Riddel is away on the status... anyone else from Kubuntu?16:42
debfxshadeslayer: ^16:43
Riddellhi16:43
Riddell * kdebindings now compiling on ARM, hopefully the rest of the KDE packages will be able to compile on ARM once that's done16:43
Riddell * qt broken on ARM due to multitouch patch and for some reason has started using egl bug #724867 fixing now being tested16:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 724867 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) "current qtopengl breaks virtualbox" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72486716:43
Riddell * we were due to get upstream 4.6.1 tars yesterday but confusions in the git transition have delayed, looks like we'll end up having some different source tars for 4.6.116:43
Riddell * CDs building and not oversized (except PPC)16:43
Riddell * 11 bugs milestoned for alpha 3 http://goo.gl/yGhJd16:43
Riddell * Desired features are in, no notable FFes expected https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo16:43
* skaet_ happy to see no notable FFes expected16:44
skaet_..?16:45
Riddell..16:45
skaet_thanks Riddell.   Any of the bugs listed in the Agenda true blockers for A3 in your opinion?16:45
Riddellno, nothing I expect to be a blocker16:46
skaet_thanks!  good to hear.16:46
skaet_any other questions?16:46
skaet_[Topic] Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth16:47
MootBotNew Topic:  Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth16:47
dbarthhi, the report is up at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/NattyReleaseStatus#preview as usual16:47
dbarthof note this week16:47
dbarthunity 3.4.6 released, including 31 new features or bug fixes: https://launchpad.net/unity/+milestone/3.4.616:47
dbarthcompiz 0.9. released as well16:47
dbarthwe also received beta versions of proprietary drivers to continue testing (and developing!) unity: thanks for the xorg team and vendors16:47
dbarthon the unity foundations front:16:47
shadeslayerdarn16:47
dbarthfinal installment of libunity, with the additional soundmenu API16:47
dbarthdatetime indicator upload late, scheduled for monday now: features a new prefs dialog with a timezone selector; calendar monitor supporting remote cals as well16:47
dbarthEven more appmenu fixes from the amazing mterry and chriscoulson16:47
dbarthLibreOffice making its way into natty/universe16:47
dbarthgir introspection issues resolved, which provides python bindings and a new call documentation set16:47
shadeslayersorry Riddell ... :(16:48
dbarthqa, alex is full on bug triaging16:48
dbarthand provided the HW cert team with the autopilot tool16:48
dbarthbug status16:48
dbarthBug:175874 - Bug, not feature, for monday16:48
dbarthBug:657771 - Bug, not feature, next week16:48
dbarthBug:663030 - mterry is on it16:48
dbarthBug:676166 - just received beta drivers, work resumed on investigating it16:48
dbarthBug:685682 - same16:48
dbarthBug:686698 - same16:48
dbarthBug:689179 - assigned to ted16:48
dbarthBug:690537 - asked for more info16:48
dbarthBug:692823 - Incomplete16:48
dbarthBug:694596 - Dupe of multi-monitor bug, not released but ready for trunk merge16:48
dbarthBug:706754 - fixed16:48
dbarthBug:708188 - assigned to ted16:48
dbarthBug:709138 - fixed16:48
dbarthBug:709380 - fixed16:48
dbarthBug:711749 - assigned to mterry16:48
dbarthBug:711378 - assigned to smspillaz16:48
dbarthBug:711916 - assigned to jay16:49
dbarthBug:711916 - assigned to smspillaz16:49
dbarthBug:720895 - assigned to chriscoulson16:49
dbarthBug:722298 - fixed16:49
dbarthBug:723014 - assigned to sam16:49
dbarthBug:723873 - confusing16:49
dbarthBug:724093 - assigned to sam16:49
dbarth(sorry for the spam)16:49
* skaet_ appreciates the details. thanks16:49
dbarthwe'll have some ffes but the exact list will depend on how much we can still pass on monday for the ultimate upload window we've negotiated with didrocks16:49
dbarthbefore the final feature freeze curtain comes down16:49
dbarthwe keep getting a lot of help from platform16:50
dbarthi want to highlight the contributions of mterry and chriscoulson this week in particular16:50
skaet_:)16:50
dbarthbut the usual suspects haven't slowed down helping us as well16:50
dbarthdidrocks, we love you16:50
dbarth...16:51
skaet_thanks dbarth!16:51
dbarthquestions?16:51
skaet_can you please let me know before you're dropping packages on monday?16:51
dbarthfor the ffes? yes, will do16:52
skaet_dbarth, thanks.16:52
skaet_also,  which of the bugs we have right now, do you consider true A3 blockers?16:52
* skaet_ wants to make sure the dependency chains resolve out.16:53
skaet_dbarth, feel fee to think about it asych16:53
dbarthah16:53
skaet_s/fee/free/ even.:P16:53
dbarththinking16:54
skaet_any other questions for dbarth before we move on?16:54
skaet_[Topic] ARM team update - rsalveti16:54
dbarth(asynchronously, let the other teams pass, that may take some time)16:54
MootBotNew Topic:  ARM team update - rsalveti16:54
rsalvetiStatus is at:16:55
rsalvetihttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARMTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty16:55
rsalveti..16:55
rsalvetiSummary:16:55
rsalveti * 705689 is still waiting for a gcc upload, this bug now also affects KDE, QT has a workaround that will be dropped.16:55
rsalveti * TI is preparing a kernel pull request for OMAP 4, adding support for DVI, Wlan, audio and syslink/tiler, should hit us on monday (too close to be the default one for Alpha 3, but we'll try)16:55
rsalveti * SGX GLES driver for natty was updated to 1.7, a lot more stable than previous release (still at the TI PPA)16:55
rsalveti * WI work progressing well, but some FFe will probably be needed16:55
rsalveti * Jasper rewrite BP is basically done, with plymouth since first boot! Just need more testing.16:55
rsalveti * Mono ARM SMP support is done upstream, testing is on going and then backport is needed to fix the mono issues with Pandaboard.16:55
rsalveti * Unity-2D was updated to latest available release.16:55
rsalveti * python-qt4 FTBS is fixed, should help clean KDE again.16:55
rsalveti..16:55
rsalvetiImage status:16:55
rsalveti * Current builds are failing due to unity FTBFS which fails due to some non arch independend casting, bug is being inspected16:55
rsalveti..16:55
rsalvetiSpecs:16:55
rsalvetiEntire status: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel.html16:55
rsalvetiMilestone: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-natty-alpha-3.html16:55
rsalveti..16:55
rsalvetiSerious Bugs:16:55
rsalvetibug 70568916:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 705689 in gcc-4.5 (Ubuntu Natty) "Qt applications crash with segfault error on armel when Qt is built with gcc 4.5 on natty" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/70568916:55
rsalveti..16:55
rsalvetithe only real blocker issue for A3 now is the unity ftbfs16:56
rsalvetithat we're looking at it already16:56
rsalvetiprobably the same issue we had with nux16:56
dbarthrsalveti: the nux pb?16:56
dbarthright16:56
skaet_thanks rsalveti!   what's the bug number for the unity FTBFS?16:57
rsalvetiother than that it seems we're fine for a316:57
rsalvetiskaet_: we don't have it yet16:57
rsalvetijust saw it before the meeting16:57
rsalvetiwill fill one and let you know about it16:57
skaet_rsalveti, heh,  real time status indeed.  :)16:57
skaet_thanks!16:57
rsalvetinp16:57
rsalveti..16:57
skaet_any other question?16:57
skaet_[Topic] MOTU team update16:58
MootBotNew Topic:  MOTU team update16:58
skaet_ScottK isn't able to make it today,  anyone else here?16:58
* pitti has to disappear, sorry16:58
skaet_[Topic] Linaro update - JamieBennett16:59
MootBotNew Topic:  Linaro update - JamieBennett16:59
* skaet_ looks around for JamieBennett?16:59
skaet_[Topic] any other new business/kudos/comments/questions?17:00
MootBotNew Topic:  any other new business/kudos/comments/questions?17:00
skaet_doko?17:00
dokowhen to take a snapshot for another (the last) test rebuild, such that there is no major Gnome or KDE update ongoing, and almost nothing broken17:00
dokothat should be with enough time to fix things, but late enough, that most of the packages do build17:01
dokoahh, pitti left, so Riddell ?17:02
skaet_hmm,  we just lost pitti,  anyone else from desktop have an opinion on the Gnome?17:02
skaet_Riddell?17:02
skaet_doko,  how about I give them an action to come back to you with a time ;)17:03
dokoskaet_: ok, thanks17:03
skaet_[ACTION] pitti, Riddell - advise doko of recommended timing for snapshot test rebuild including Gnome and KDE close to final.17:04
MootBotACTION received:  pitti, Riddell - advise doko of recommended timing for snapshot test rebuild including Gnome and KDE close to final.17:04
skaet_ok?17:04
skaet_any one else have questions/comments?17:04
skaet_Thank you to all the teams for the awesome amount of work getting those last features in.   Very impressive!17:05
skaet_and on that note...17:05
skaet_#endmeeting17:05
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marjoskaet_ thx!17:05
skaet_thank you marjo, jibel, hggdh, ara, jdstrand, smb, apw, mvo, pitti, Daviey,  joshuahoover, dbarth, rsalvetti, doko17:06
arathanks skaet_!17:06
dokothanks17:06
rsalvetiskaet_: the unity ftbfs: bug 72461517:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 724615 in unity (Ubuntu) "unity FTBFS on armel" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72461517:06
rsalvetiskaet_: and thanks :-)17:06
mvohanks17:06
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skaet_thanks rsalveti,  noted. :)17:06
joshuahooverthanks skaet_17:08
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AlanBellhi all18:58
AlanBellUbuntu For All meeting will start here shortly18:58
hakimsheriffAlanBell, Hi19:00
AlanBell#startmeeting19:00
MootBotMeeting started at 13:00. The chair is AlanBell.19:00
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AlanBellhi everyone19:01
AlanBellwho is here for the Ubuntu For All kickoff meeting?19:01
michaelwigleMe.19:01
Pendulumo/19:01
Mkaysio/19:01
michaelwigleo/19:01
leoquanto/19:02
michaelwigleAlthough, sadly, I had a meeting conflict and will have to bail in about 10-15 minutes19:02
AlanBellok19:02
AlanBellI was expecting a few more folk to join, but that is OK19:03
AlanBellwe will probably pick up a few as we go along19:03
michaelwigleYeah, 5 seems a little low...19:03
PendulumI know there's someone who would have wanted to be here who's sick19:04
AlanBellok, well I want to go through the agenda anyway, we can always get further discussion going on the mailing list afterwards19:04
AlanBell[link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuForAll/Meeting19:05
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuForAll/Meeting19:05
AlanBell[TOPIC] Purpose and scope of the team19:05
MootBotNew Topic:  Purpose and scope of the team19:05
AlanBellok, so this team is an idea that has been kicking about for a number of years19:05
AlanBellelky put together an area on the ubuntu wiki at19:06
AlanBellhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuForAll19:06
AlanBelland started to define the project, and I picked that up some months ago19:06
hakimsheriffIm here19:06
AlanBellthe way I would like to see it, is as a kind of support team19:06
hakimsheriffsorry I was busy19:06
AlanBellthe way I wouldn't like to see it is as a governance council19:06
AlanBellwe have enough of them alreadh19:07
AlanBellalready19:07
AlanBellthe idea is to gather together all of the existing Ubuntu teams that address issues of diversity, equality and outreach19:07
AlanBelleach in different ways to a different target group of Ubuntu users19:08
AlanBellthe somewhat tentative list of supported projects is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuForAll/ProjectList19:08
AlanBelldifferent projects are at different levels ranging from very active to dormant, or not started19:09
AlanBellI would like to see this team helping each of the projects in the list to maintain their desired level of activity19:09
AlanBell(which could well be dormant)19:09
AlanBellso we would provide some level of ensuring continuity, helping make sure meeting schedules were working19:10
AlanBellteam reports done each month if the team wants to do such things19:10
AlanBelland generally being an available resource for support tasks19:10
AlanBelldoes this make sense so far?19:11
hakimsheriffYes, Of Course!19:11
Pendulumyes19:11
MkaysiYes19:11
AlanBellwhat do you think of the project list?19:11
AlanBellany more to add to it?19:12
AlanBellany that shouldn't be there?19:12
michaelwigleNot that I can think. Miind you, my focus is more toward the accessibility aspects.19:13
Pendulummichaelwigle: oh good! come join us in #ubuntu-accessibility :)19:13
AlanBellyes, I would expect many people to have a particular focus19:13
hakimsheriffI would think the list is small but since the team is just starting out it think it is good19:13
AlanBellhowever it is also a way to get people who don't fit into any of the target demographics to feel that they can contribute to those teams19:14
Pendulum:)19:14
michaelwigleI intend on doing that as well. Just not today.19:14
michaelwigleSorry, have to run but will try to keep up through the mailing list. I couldn't move this other appointment.19:15
AlanBellok, thanks for your time michaelwigle19:15
AlanBellok, so I think if we are in rough agreement on the purpose of the team (helping the teams) and the scope (the list of teams) then we could move on to the next topic19:16
hakimsheriffI sugest you read the meeting logs19:16
AlanBellI will put the logs on the wiki and mail the list19:17
AlanBell[TOPIC] Activities we can do19:17
MootBotNew Topic:  Activities we can do19:17
AlanBellso I have a little list of things, quite willing to have stuff added to it19:17
AlanBellensuring meeting schedules of the teams that have meetings don't drift19:18
hakimsheriffbtw... hakimsheriff = hakimsheriff2 same person different devices19:18
AlanBellmeetings do get missed from time to time, but if multiple scheduled meetings in a row don't happen then we should help get that back on track19:19
hakimsheriffyes that is important19:19
AlanBellmonthly team reports, reminding the teams to do them, and helping fill them out as required19:19
AlanBellone thing I already do is maintain some monthly statistics for the Ubuntu Women team, that is the kind of activity I can see this team doing19:20
AlanBellopen to other ideas at this point19:20
PendulumI know as a team leader for one of the teams involved, I'd love it if U4A could help with raising profiles of teams19:21
hakimsheriffPendulum, You said it as I was typing!!!19:21
AlanBellyes indeed19:21
Pendulumthere's only so many times AlanBell or I can blog about a11y without people just ignoring it, for example ;)19:21
hakimsheriffHelp raising profiles of new teams too19:22
AlanBelland possibly helping to form new teams19:22
AlanBellI did have an idea of an Ubuntu Younglings project, for children of known community members19:22
hakimsheriffDo teens count as well?19:23
hakimsheriffor just children19:23
AlanBellthere is the ubuntu youth team for that19:23
hakimsheriffI would really like to help out with the Younglings Project19:24
AlanBellthe -youth project is one where continuity issues are inherent19:24
AlanBellso easy for a bunch of enthusiastic members to leave as a school year starts or ends19:25
AlanBellbut other teams can also go quiet for long periods, a11y did for a time19:26
AlanBellany more activities?19:26
AlanBelloh, I will chuck one in to discuss19:27
hakimsheriffI am a bit lost what is a11y?19:27
AlanBellaccessibility19:27
macohakimsheriff: abreviation for accessibility19:27
AlanBellthere are 11 letters between a and y19:27
hakimsheriffcreative, i like it!19:27
AlanBellinternationalisation also gets abbreviated to 118n19:28
macoi18n you mean19:28
macoand localisation is l10n19:28
AlanBellyup19:28
AlanBellhi maco19:28
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macohello. i'm at work. don't mind me19:28
AlanBellthere has been a bunch of recent discussions about UDS and the diversity and harassment policies19:29
AlanBellI can see that as something that this team might end up getting involved in for the next UDS, but not this one coming19:29
AlanBelltoo soon, too new19:29
AlanBellalthough I know some individuals have be involved in it already19:30
AlanBellany other activities to discuss?19:31
AlanBellanything you think we shouldn't do?19:31
leoquantnoisy  hakimsheriff19:31
leoquant19:32
hakimsheriffsorry, I am trying to connect my phone to the IRC channel so I can use the text-to-speech on my phone So I don't have to constatnly be on this channel.19:32
AlanBellok, lets move on to the last topic19:33
AlanBell[TOPIC] Resources for the team Wiki/IRC/Mailing list19:33
MootBotNew Topic:  Resources for the team Wiki/IRC/Mailing list19:33
AlanBellso this one is just a list really19:33
AlanBellwe have the IRC channel #ubuntu-for-all19:33
AlanBellwe have a mailing list19:34
AlanBellhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-for-all19:34
AlanBella chunk of the slowest wiki in the worldhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuForAll19:35
Mkaysi* https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuForAll19:35
AlanBellthanks Mkaysi, and the launchpad team at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-for-all19:36
AlanBellis there anything else you would see as useful?19:36
hakimsheriffnothing that I know of19:37
AlanBellok, does anyone have any other topics they would like to raise for discussion?19:37
hakimsheriffWe should raise the profile of this team19:38
hakimsheriffNot many members yet19:38
AlanBellI will blog about it, there are more members than are here at the moment19:38
hakimsheriffWhat's your blog?19:38
AlanBell15 in the IRC channel and more on the mailing list19:38
AlanBellit will be on planet.ubuntu.com19:39
AlanBellhttp://www.theopensourcerer.com/author/alanbell/19:39
MootBotLINK received:  http://www.theopensourcerer.com/author/alanbell/19:39
AlanBellmy main personal blog19:39
AlanBellI don't imagine this will become a high profile team in itself really, but yes some more members would be good19:40
AlanBellany more to cover?19:41
AlanBellin which case, thanks for your time everyone, I will mail the list with minutes later for wider discussion19:41
AlanBell#endmeeting19:42
MootBotMeeting finished at 13:42.19:42
leoquantthank you AlanBell19:42
AlanBellalso feel free to continue discussions in the #ubuntu-for-all channel19:43
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