[00:10] <h00k> @login
[00:10] <h00k> wat
[00:11] <h00k> I am identified
[00:11] <h00k> @login
[00:11] <charlie-tca> hm, argue with it?
[00:12] <h00k> 00:11 - NickServ!NickServ@services. - You are already logged in as h00k.
[00:12] <IdleOne> h00k: try in PM
[00:12] <h00k> I thought she didn't like that
[00:12] <IdleOne> she never complained to me about it
[00:12] <h00k> still the same
[00:12] <h00k> Error: You are not identified
[00:13] <IdleOne> @whoami
[00:13] <h00k> @whoami
[00:13] <IdleOne> hmm she knows you
[00:13] <h00k> @btlogin
[00:13] <h00k> er, I got a link...
[00:13]  * h00k shrugs
[00:16] <popey> @whoami
[00:16] <popey> \o/
[00:36] <rww> @whoami
[00:36] <rww> lies
[00:52] <rww> oh lawd.
[00:53] <rww> I guess the bots got smart and/or human.
[00:54] <charlie-tca> huh, that ain't you?
[00:55] <rww> charlie-tca: no. who is rww?
[00:55] <charlie-tca> looks like the same nick
[00:55] <Pici> rww: thats not a new command. Its part of supybot.
[00:55] <rww> i meant the bots in #ubuntu
[00:56] <rww> who got through -unregged
[00:56] <Pici> oh
[00:57]  * Pici isn't really paying attention
[01:59] <elky> Daviey, ikonia, if I understand correctly, what we have here is a conflict of irc core channel support scope and the additional support the -server channel team wishes to offer? Correct?
[01:59] <elky> And if this is the case, should -server not be better served as a team channel rather than a core channel?
[02:00] <elky> The scope creep involved is really not something I'd be comfortable extending to #ubuntu, for example.
[02:05] <tonyyarusso> I've never been clear on what #ubuntu-server is for.  Is it a support channel or a development channel?  Can it be both and have anyone maintain sanity?  #ubuntu really, really sucks at offering server support, so I think we need a support channel, but it's also rather jarring if you join a channel to ask a support question and seeing deeply technical development questions flying by, and then having people annoyed that you're ...
[02:05] <tonyyarusso> ... interrupting their meeting.
[02:11] <elky> I don't doubt it has a place at all. It certainly does. I suggest though that the current implementation is not ideal.
[04:02] <elky> If anyone else is getting PM spam about the voldemort channel, please let me know.
[04:10] <tonyyarusso> Am I the only one that constantly finds myself about to scold someone for !language or something, and then realizes I'm not in an Ubuntu channel?
[04:12] <Pici> tonyyarusso: no, its not just you
[04:32] <Madpilot> elky, I like "Voldemort channel" :)
[04:32] <Madpilot> and no, no PM spam here. yet.
[05:05] <IdleOne> Just got another PM from r00t4rd3d.
 "it turned out he was trolling for a well know troll/stalker/complete mental case"
 you ever gonna shut that fucking hole of yours ?
 thanks for the insults though , im sure the CC will be happy to see mor
[05:06] <IdleOne> Here is my response in this publicly logged channel, not in PM to him.
[05:06] <IdleOne> I  hope you fie in a fucking fire.
[05:07] <IdleOne> die*
[05:07] <rww> IdleOne, go read the CoC. Thanks.
[05:07] <IdleOne> I know it. I don't need to be reminded of it.
[05:07] <rww> Telling people to diaf violates it. Don't do that in #ubuntu* :\
[05:08] <IdleOne> ircc see above.
[05:09] <IdleOne> if it means I lose my op privs or even my ubuntu membership so be it.
[05:10] <rww> Reminds me, I should figure out exactly what (if any) guidelines I'm held to by IRCC/CC on freenode in general due to wearing an ubuntu/member/* cloak.
[05:10] <rww> topyli: your client NOTICEd me. your client is bad.
[05:11] <IdleOne> topyli: the ubuntu/member cloak requires you to follow the CoC at all times everywhere
[05:11] <IdleOne> err
[05:11] <IdleOne> rww
[05:13] <IdleOne> sick and tired of being the victim
[05:13] <Madpilot> you know, "Block User" is a good thing...
[05:13] <IdleOne> he is an animal and I am not going to put up with this anymore
[05:13] <tonyyarusso> rww: Basically what IdleOne said, although not necessarily as it's interpreted / enforced on our channels.  For instance, some channels allow swearing that we don't, and you're not going to have your cloak revoked for joining in there, but if you go around spamming / trolling / otherwise being and idiot you can.
[05:14] <tonyyarusso> IdleOne: So ignore it.  We're supposed to be of a higher order than trolls - sinking to their level doesn't help anybody.
[05:14] <IdleOne> he is not asking me to unban him in here
[05:14] <IdleOne> now
[05:14] <tonyyarusso> If you want to use an actual /ignore, I don't think anyone will blame you for it.
[05:16] <rww> yay, ubuntu.com's down
[05:17] <Madpilot> rww, not here it ain't
[05:18] <rww> downforeveryoneetc and I think it is ;P
[05:18] <tonyyarusso> Down for me.
[05:18] <rww> and now it thinks it's up
[05:18] <Madpilot> the fact that I'm looking at it in Epiph right now says it's not :)
[05:18] <rww> *.ubuntu.com is a posterchild for Ubuntu Server's stability.
[05:19] <maco> rww: a bad one?
[05:20] <tonyyarusso> still down here!
[05:20] <elky> It's fine here. Routing problem maybe
[05:20] <Madpilot> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ubuntu.com
[05:21] <Madpilot> works fine here, giant animated distracting mainpage thing and all.
[05:21] <rww> Madpilot: ... has said it's up once and down twice for me now.
[05:21] <rww>  just refreshed it twice more. it said it was up, then that it was down.
[05:22] <rww> rollercoaster!
[05:46] <Anastasius> Still badmouthing us, eh?
[05:47] <Anastasius> Still?  Really?
[05:47] <Madpilot> Anastasius, to you have business here?
[05:47] <Madpilot> s/to/do
[05:47] <Anastasius> I do.
[05:47] <Madpilot> o rly?
[05:48] <Anastasius> I take offense at ##club-ubuntu being called the Voldemort (sic) channel.
[05:48] <Madpilot> cry me a river. oh, and go away.
[05:48] <tonyyarusso> Anastasius: We really don't care.  You wear the title you earn.
[05:48] <Anastasius> Oh, is that so?
[05:48] <tonyyarusso> Do you have any issues that have to do with the actual Ubuntu namespace that we can address for you today?
[05:49] <Anastasius> No.
[05:49] <tonyyarusso> Okay then.  Have a good day.
[05:49] <Madpilot> then you can leave, thanks.
[05:49] <Anastasius> lol, as open minded as always, I see.
[05:49] <Madpilot> go sob into your obsessively-read channel logs. somewhere else.
[05:50] <rww> Wait, so if it's the Voldemort channel, does that make me Harry Potter for preferring to just call it by its actual name :<?
[05:50] <bazhang_> rww, yes
[05:50] <Madpilot> Anastasius, never so open-minded that it falls out. Time for you to go.
[05:50] <tonyyarusso> rww: Sure.  I don't really read you either.  :P
[05:50] <Anastasius> Nou.
[05:52] <Madpilot> I'm pretty sure we can carve that ban in granite and leave it in place for the ages...
[05:53] <tonyyarusso> prolly
[05:53] <tonyyarusso> put a comment on it
[05:54] <Madpilot> "Voldemort channel troll.  Do not unban before heat death of universe."
[05:54] <Madpilot> how about that?
[05:56] <rww> Considering some of the other crap we get in here that doesn't merit permabans, that seems a little disproportionate ;P
[05:57] <Madpilot> perhaps. I'm easily impressed by my own turns of phrase, though. And I really dislike deliberate calculating trolls.
[06:03] <Madpilot> ah, my first PM from the Voldemort creatures. /ignore time.
[06:05]  * tonyyarusso wonders why Freenode puts up with such nonsense
[06:06] <Madpilot> ooo, an invite to channel Voldy. No thanks...
[06:08] <tonyyarusso> rofl
[06:09] <tonyyarusso> Desperate much?
[06:10] <Madpilot> apparently I'm "desperate" and "immature" for pointing out in PM how much they're obsessing over our chanlogs.
[06:10] <Madpilot> Reflection, much?
[06:11] <rww> who invented that prom dress silliness, and can i thwap them?
[06:11] <rww> (#ubuntu)
[06:12] <bazhang> gaelfx afaik
[06:12] <rww> have seen before. do not want :|
[06:13] <Madpilot> ah, my ignore list has it's very first occupant.
[06:13] <rww> I don't ignore people *polishes halo*
[06:14] <Madpilot> careful, the chanlog obsessives will take that as a challenge...
[06:14] <Madpilot> although the threat to call the CoC on me for calling my PMtroll accurate but perhaps unkind names was amusing.
[06:15] <rww> Given that I'm currently chatting to some of them about *checks*...stuff, I doubt it.
[06:16] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: That appears to be the tactic of the month - wasting the CC's time complaining about ops.
[06:16] <Madpilot> I'm not expecting much traction for those complaints.
[06:16] <tonyyarusso> You should congratulate your brother on not having to deal with that anymore :P
[06:17] <rww> and incidentally, my solution to people PMing me silliness is to make sure that things can't be productive, throw !appeals at them, and stop paying attention. No need to make things worse :\
[06:29] <topyli> rww: i send notices?
[06:29] <rww> 05:10:16 [freenode] -topyli(topyli@ubuntu/member/topyli)- Sorry, but I'm away (Detached!)
[06:29] <rww> I guess I set off a highlight on IRCC and your client sends them on highlights.
[06:29] <topyli> ahh
[06:30] <topyli> awaythingy script, professionally configured. will fix, sorry
[06:30] <rww> No problems. figured you'd want to know ;)
[06:32] <rww> topyli: can you/IRCC-in-general update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Cloaks with a section about expected behavior elsewhere in freenode for people wearing ubuntu/* cloaks, please? scrollback says there is some, so it should probably be documented somewhere.
[06:32] <rww> (or maybe it is documented somewhere and I'm missing it)
[06:35] <topyli> i don't think it's explicitly documented
[06:36] <rww> having y'all write reams of documentation about everything is the new trend, so add that to the pile ;)
[06:36] <topyli> the CoC always applies though, and doubly so whin sporting cloaks
[06:37] <bazhang> whine!
[06:37] <tonyyarusso> I would like the IRCC to write a document spelling out how often topyli will be required to post a new Tales.
[06:37] <topyli> could you add it to the meeting agenda so we can do it in a proper, bureaucratic manner?
[06:37] <rww> topyli: Meeting times are being secretly coordinated to overlap with my work schedule, so I can't attend. Does that matter?
[06:38] <topyli> rww, not tonyyarusso :)
[06:38]  * tonyyarusso strongly considers taking that as being directed at him :P
[06:38] <tonyyarusso> awww
[06:38] <Tm_T> topyli: a business proposition incoming to your PM when you have time
[06:38] <rww> Tm_T: Tales of the Offtopic plus adsense?
[06:38] <tonyyarusso> s/of/from/
[06:38] <topyli> rww: not really
[06:38] <tonyyarusso> See?!?  It's been so long people don't even remember the title!
[06:39] <rww> topyli: k, will go
[06:39] <rww> ... do
[06:39] <elky> rww, that might work out to be a whole cent in revenue in about a decade's time.
[06:40] <tonyyarusso> topyli: You know that feeling when you really want to go read XKCD, but it's a Thursday?  You make it like that every day!
[06:40] <rww> Include TFTOT as a default plugin in Banshee. 25% revenue goes to topyli!
[06:42] <rww> topyli: agenda item added
[06:42] <topyli> tonyyarusso: aww
[06:42] <topyli> rww: thanks
[07:13] <Tm_T> bah, I have no rights in meego channels ):
[07:14] <tonyyarusso> Someone should make a chat client interface for game consoles.  They could call it meegowii.
[07:15] <rww> I think I got webchat working on my Wii once. I forget.
[07:15] <tsimpson> it does work, but without a keyboard attached it's not worth it
[07:16] <rww> it can use regular USB keyboards, though, so not a big deal.
[08:25] <Madpilot> ibadan(y) in -offtopic... bot?
[08:25]  * rww looks
[08:26] <tonyyarusso> Tm_T: he had a topic?
[08:26] <rww> shares a hostmask with avis
[08:26] <Tm_T> tonyyarusso: I don't care (;
[08:27] <Tm_T> but it's nice request which occasionally works
[08:29] <Madpilot> OK, those two pastebin URLs he left... w. t. f.?
[08:33] <rww> ahahahahahahaah bantracker
[08:33] <rww> "$person claims to be the greatest. I disagree."
[08:33] <rww> op humor <3
[08:33] <tonyyarusso> nice
[08:34] <rww> but yeah, -ot person has been being weird for a while, by the looks of it.
[08:34] <Madpilot> @login
[08:34] <tonyyarusso> @btlogin
[08:34] <rww> Madpilot: it's been doing that. just @btlogin anyway
[08:34] <Madpilot> yeah, btlogin works. strange.
[08:35] <Madpilot> tonyyarusso, "Nuttier than a fresh jar of Jif Extra Crunchy" - nice.
[08:36] <tsimpson> the bot probably lost the CAP IDENTIFY-MSG during the splits
[08:36] <tsimpson> @haveidentifymsg
[08:37] <tsimpson> @identifymsg
[08:37] <tsimpson> @haveidentifymsg
[08:37] <tsimpson> @login
[08:37] <tsimpson> it wouldn't matter if you were already logged in, or had a hostmask set with the bot
[08:38] <Madpilot> we can register a hostmask w/ the bot to autologin when it sees us?
[08:38] <tsimpson> yes
[08:39] <tsimpson> @help hostmask add
[08:39] <tsimpson> @more
[08:40] <tsimpson> so basically /msg ubottu hostmask add *!*@ubuntu/member/madpilot
[08:40] <Madpilot> nice
[08:40] <tsimpson> and it'll automatically know who you are by hostmask
[08:40] <Madpilot> and done
[08:41] <Madpilot> although I got "Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)" then "The operation succeeded." which was amusing.
[08:41] <tsimpson> Encyclopedia is an aggressive plugin
[08:41] <tsimpson> I usually prefix commands with @ to bypass that
[11:49] <popey> @btlogin
[15:01] <Pici> ikonia: Whats x2go?
[15:01] <ikonia> not %100 sure to be honest, looks like a sort of remote application
[15:02] <ikonia> eg: remote X control style app
[15:02] <Pici> hrm
[15:02] <ikonia> looking at the deps on it though the 9.10 build is way out on the 10.4
[15:02] <ikonia> ahh, an open source terminal server application
[15:02] <ikonia> that's what it defines it's self as
[20:12]  * genii-around grumbles and kicks his computer
[20:16] <tonyyarusso> @btlogin
[20:27] <tonyyarusso> You know, I wonder what would happen if we had a buffer channel like #ubuntu-take-it-outside, and when people where !ot in #ubuntu, rather than directing them to #ubuntu-offtopic directly they went there, and if they where still active in that channel 48 hours later, ubottu would initiate a sanity quiz in PM with them, and if they pass then it tells them about #ubuntu-offtopic's existence.  :P
[20:37] <rww> In today's issue of "Technological Solutions to Social Problems"...
[20:38] <tonyyarusso> rww: Social Problem:  People are stupid.  Social Solution: Lock all the stupid people up on a giant island in the middle of nowhere.  Problem With Social Solution: Shoot, it looks like Australia's already taken.
[20:39] <rww> So what you're saying is we should redirect people who are offtopic in #ubuntu to #ubuntu-au.
[20:39] <tonyyarusso> sure!
[20:39] <tonyyarusso> At least then it's not my problem :P
[20:43] <rww> and we can tell the redirectees that it's the Ubuntu Gold channel ;)
[20:43] <tonyyarusso> haha
[21:10] <rww> trolls trolling trolls
[21:10] <Pici> yep
[21:10] <Pici> I give up
[21:13] <Pici> !guidelines > dhiaeldeen
[21:27] <rww> ubottu: tell ilessthan3ubuntu about botabuse
[22:19] <bazhang> backbox?
[22:22] <Jordan_U> Window manager.
[22:22] <bazhang> thought it was blackbox
[22:23] <Jordan_U> Oh, sorry I misread.
[22:24] <Jordan_U> Apparently it's an Ubuntu derivitive. Since neither of us had heard of it I doubt that a factoid would be very usefull.