| ailo | ScottL: scott-upstairs: No -lowlatency in the repo? | 00:06 |
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| ailo | paultag: Reading on Debian Python policy http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/ | 00:13 |
| paultag | ailo: you can clone my lintco debdir | 00:14 |
| paultag | ailo: it's clean according to python policy | 00:14 |
| paultag | scott-upstairs: I'm filing a bug as insurince | 00:15 |
| paultag | scott-upstairs: can you mark https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/724656 <-- as critical? | 00:16 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 724656 in Ubuntu Studio "ubuntustudio-controls is both hackish and out of date" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 00:16 |
| paultag | ailo: can you close bug 724656 in your changelog? | 00:17 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 724656 in Ubuntu Studio "ubuntustudio-controls is both hackish and out of date" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/724656 | 00:17 |
| paultag | <-- has no bug-control rights for ubuntustudio :) | 00:17 |
| ailo | paultag: We should perhaps remove the -controls from Maverick. On Lucid it only makes half sense | 00:18 |
| paultag | ailo: aye, not a bad idea | 00:18 |
| ailo | So, the bug is still in effect for the older releases | 00:18 |
| paultag | ailo: we can worry about backporting after it's all set for natty (or removal) | 00:19 |
| paultag | ailo: that's a big process and takes a bit of time. Let's just get this all set :) | 00:19 |
| ailo | paultag: Can't say I'm happy with the program right now. Would like to change how it executes the commands. Read something about that. Using gksudo in a shell doesn't seem like the optimal approach. The app freezes while it makes changes | 00:20 |
| paultag | ailo: it's OK | 00:21 |
| ailo | paultag: The bug you wanted me to close. Set it to invalid? | 00:22 |
| ailo | Oh, sorry. Confused. In the changelog... | 00:24 |
| ailo | paultag: So, you don't know what the python version problem is with the packaging? | 00:24 |
| paultag | ailo: no, I'm not a python guru | 00:25 |
| paultag | ailo: perhaps someone in -motu maintains a python app for real | 00:25 |
| ailo | paultag: Ok, I will investigate. Thanks for your help :). | 00:26 |
| paultag | ailo: rock on! | 00:27 |
| ScottL | paultag, bug marked as critical now | 00:39 |
| ScottL | oi, you probably got the email anyways | 00:40 |
| ScottL | ailo left already, i'll wait till he's back to comment on -lowlatency | 00:40 |
| paultag | ScottL: you rule, thanks :) | 00:41 |
| paultag | ScottL: since it's RC, we can upload -controls through featre freeze ;) | 00:41 |
| ailo | Last upgrade on Natty seems to have killed my networking | 01:40 |
| ScottL | ailo, ouch, that sucks :( | 01:41 |
| ScottL | ailo, as far as the -lowlatency kernel, that's still up to abogani to get to persia to push into the repos at this point | 01:42 |
| TheMuso | Yes there is an isc-dhcp package issue, a fix has been uploaded, it will take time to trickle down to mirrors. | 01:42 |
| ailo | ScottL: Don't we need to upload it before feature freeze? | 01:43 |
| TheMuso | Feature freeze is in effect. | 01:51 |
| paultag | TheMuso: seriously? | 01:51 |
| TheMuso | Yes. | 01:52 |
| TheMuso | Check the topic in #ubuntu-devel, and read the latest message on ubuntu-devel-announce@lists.ubuntu.com. | 01:52 |
| TheMuso | I suggest you guys keep an eye on both places. | 01:52 |
| ailo | TheMuso: so it's impossible to upload a new kernel, or is that not affected? | 01:53 |
| TheMuso | Adding any new packages to the archive is not possible, unless you are granted a feature freeze exception. The earlier these are applied for, the better. | 01:53 |
| paultag | TheMuso: I don't do ubuntu-devel, so I don't like subing to such noisy lists :) | 01:54 |
| paultag | TheMuso: it's already there, and it closes a RC bug | 01:54 |
| ScottL | i suppose we should really talk to abogani and see if he is willing to submit one for pushing to the repos | 01:54 |
| paultag | TheMuso: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-controls | 01:54 |
| paultag | Oh shit, we're not talking about that | 01:55 |
| * paultag walks away | 01:55 | |
| ScottL | lol | 01:55 |
| TheMuso | paultag: ubuntu-devel-announce is low traffic. | 02:08 |
| ScottL | i didn't finish my thought though :/ | 02:27 |
| ScottL | if abogani doesn't have a kernel he wants to push then it doesn't do any good to see about filing a freeze exception | 02:28 |
| ScottL | although if he is willing to provide one then i would be happy to file the exception :) | 02:28 |
| scott-upstairs | heh, abogani, i think i might have found another part of my trouble: | 03:53 |
| scott-upstairs | scott@lucid-studio:~/kernel$ debuild -S -sa | 03:53 |
| scott-upstairs | This package has a Debian revision number but there does not seem to be | 03:53 |
| scott-upstairs | an appropriate original tar file or .orig directory in the parent directory; | 03:53 |
| scott-upstairs | (expected one of linux-lowlatency_2.6.38.orig.tar.gz, linux-lowlatency_2.6.38.orig.tar.bz2, | 03:53 |
| scott-upstairs | linux-lowlatency_2.6.38.orig.tar.lzma or kernel.orig) | 03:53 |
| scott-upstairs | continue anyway? (y/n) | 03:53 |
| scott-upstairs | i'm pretty sure this is what is giving me the bad .changes file | 03:55 |
| * abogani waves | 07:11 | |
| abogani | We don't have a any kernel to push. | 07:11 |
| abogani | ScottL: ^ | 07:11 |
| scott-upstairs | abogani, i looked under your -lowlatency directory but did not find an original tarball for the -lowlatency kernel | 13:03 |
| scott-upstairs | i did find one under the -lowlatency-meta directory however (which explains why this same error didn't show up previously) | 13:03 |
| scott-upstairs | am i missing something from the git directory? | 13:03 |
| abogani | scott-upstairs: No. It is a native package so It don't have original tarball. | 13:05 |
| abogani | Ok. | 13:05 |
| abogani | Remove _all_ (but not the git tree). | 13:05 |
| abogani | for every git tree directory execute "git remote update --prune && git reset --hard origin" | 13:06 |
| abogani | And so retry again | 13:06 |
| abogani | This time start with ubuntu-natty-lowlatency package | 13:07 |
| abogani | (the kernel) | 13:07 |
| ailo-net_ | Whats a sure way to install natty from usb? Ive failed so far with both current live and alternative cd as well as alpha 2 live cd | 16:43 |
| ailo-net_ | Using both ubuntus usb creator and unetbootin | 16:43 |
| falktx | ailo-net_: alternate cd in usb is possible too | 16:43 |
| falktx | maybe that will work | 16:44 |
| ailo-net_ | Already tried that, but havent tried alpha 2 version yet | 16:44 |
| ailo-net_ | All of them boot, but all of them fail at some point | 16:45 |
| falktx | heh | 16:45 |
| falktx | I hope they fix natty issues soon, or it will be a disaster | 16:45 |
| holstein | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/697774 | 16:46 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 697774 in Ubuntu Studio "cant install ubuntustudio from USB stick" [Undecided,New] | 16:46 |
| ailo-net_ | I lost networking in my last upgrade. That and other reasons make me want to do a fresh install | 16:46 |
| holstein | although i havent tried it myself, i was told https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuServerFlashDriveInstaller worked | 16:46 |
| falktx | "Won't Fix?" | 16:46 |
| ailo-net_ | Well, I havent even tried installing UbuntuStudio yet. Did that on another machine more than a week ago, and it installed well from DVD, except when logging in the graphics were corrupted. | 16:48 |
| holstein | O I C | 16:48 |
| holstein | natty vanilla is failing | 16:49 |
| holstein | interesting | 16:49 |
| holstein | i installed from CD | 16:49 |
| ailo-net_ | Could be the prolem is Im trying to install from usb | 16:49 |
| ailo-net_ | I also tried installing from harddisk, but I must be missing some info on that. Was able to boot, but after choosing language, the installation freezed. | 16:50 |
| ailo-net_ | Just want to be able to install without CD or DVD. :P | 16:51 |
| ailo-net_ | This must be the bug I suffer fro v | 17:02 |
| ailo-net_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/isc-dhcp/+bug/724556 | 17:02 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 724556 in isc-dhcp (Ubuntu Natty) "[Natty] isc-dhcp update breaks network connection" [Critical,Fix released] | 17:02 |
| ailo-net_ | Seems like Alpha 2 with unetbootin is what will work for me | 17:12 |
| scott-work | falktx: which "natty issues" are you speaking of? | 17:14 |
| falktx | scott-work: gcc errors | 17:14 |
| scott-work | ailo-net_: TheMuso said it was know and a fix pushed but it would take time for the fix to hit all the mirrors | 17:14 |
| scott-work | falktx: OH! aye, that would be disasterous | 17:14 |
| scott-work | i've seen traffic on the debian multimedia team list about that as well | 17:14 |
| ailo-net_ | The bug should be fixed now, from what they wrote | 17:15 |
| ailo | Finally! | 18:29 |
| ailo | ScottL: I noticed Ubuntu's default desktop on Natty is looking very similar to a standard Gnome desktop. This is my impression making a fresh install of vanilla Alpha 2. | 20:37 |
| ScottL | ailo, is that good or bad in your opinion? | 20:54 |
| ailo | ScottL: Can't tell what is the big difference really. Some of the features we saw earlier are missing. Pretty much the only thing I see is a united indicator applet, and the indicator-app-menu (mac global menu thing), which you can remove if you want. | 20:56 |
| ailo | Otherwise it looks very similar to before | 20:56 |
| ailo | Perhaps they rolled back a lot of features because of time pressure? | 20:56 |
| ailo | Not that I know what the goal is for unity | 20:57 |
| ailo | ScottL: When I say similar to before, I mean similar to Maverick | 21:01 |
| ScottL | ailo, which features are missing? | 21:27 |
| ailo | ScottL: The panel seems to be a normal Gnome panel, there's no sidebar, the main menu is a Gnome main menu... | 21:28 |
| ailo | ScottL: Really the other way around, nothing seems to be added, except for the global mac style menu | 21:28 |
| ScottL | ailo, you mean for vanilla ubuntu or ubuntu desktop | 21:28 |
| ScottL | not ubuntu studio | 21:28 |
| ScottL | yes? | 21:28 |
| ailo | ScottL: This is from installing the vanilla Ubuntu, Alpha 2 release | 21:29 |
| * ailo is going to take another look | 21:30 | |
| ailo | ScottL: The Ubuntu default Desktop is virtually identical to the "classic" Desktop right now. | 21:32 |
| ailo | ScottL: Looking at the packages I can see that they've broken down unity into different packages. | 21:46 |
| ScottL | well, luckily that shouldn't affect us though :) | 22:14 |
| ScottL | ailo, did you see alessio's response about having a -lowlatency kernel? basically he said he didn't have one :( | 22:16 |
| ScottL | " We don't have a any kernel to push" is what he said actually | 22:17 |
| ailo | ScottL: I was wondering what he meant. | 22:17 |
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