[00:06] <ailo> ScottL: scott-upstairs: No -lowlatency in the repo?
[00:13] <ailo> paultag: Reading on Debian Python policy http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/
[00:14] <paultag> ailo: you can clone my lintco debdir
[00:14] <paultag> ailo: it's clean according to python policy
[00:15] <paultag> scott-upstairs: I'm filing a bug as insurince
[00:16] <paultag> scott-upstairs: can you mark https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/724656 <-- as critical?
[00:17] <paultag> ailo: can you close bug 724656 in your changelog?
[00:17] <paultag> <-- has no bug-control rights for ubuntustudio :)
[00:18] <ailo> paultag: We should perhaps remove the -controls from Maverick. On Lucid it only makes half sense
[00:18] <paultag> ailo: aye, not a bad idea
[00:18] <ailo> So, the bug is still in effect for the older releases
[00:19] <paultag> ailo: we can worry about backporting after it's all set for natty (or removal)
[00:19] <paultag> ailo: that's a big process and takes a bit of time. Let's just get this all set :)
[00:20] <ailo> paultag: Can't say I'm happy with the program right now. Would like to change how it executes the commands. Read something about that. Using gksudo in a shell doesn't seem like the optimal approach. The app freezes while it makes changes
[00:21] <paultag> ailo: it's OK
[00:22] <ailo> paultag: The bug you wanted me to close. Set it to invalid?
[00:24] <ailo> Oh, sorry. Confused. In the changelog...
[00:24] <ailo> paultag: So, you don't know what the python version problem is with the packaging?
[00:25] <paultag> ailo: no, I'm not a python guru
[00:25] <paultag> ailo: perhaps someone in -motu maintains a python app for real
[00:26] <ailo> paultag: Ok, I will investigate. Thanks for your help :).
[00:27] <paultag> ailo: rock on!
[00:39] <ScottL> paultag, bug marked as critical now
[00:40] <ScottL> oi, you probably got the email anyways
[00:40] <ScottL> ailo left already, i'll wait till he's back to comment on -lowlatency
[00:41] <paultag> ScottL: you rule, thanks :)
[00:41] <paultag> ScottL: since it's RC, we can upload -controls through featre freeze ;)
[01:40] <ailo> Last upgrade on Natty seems to have killed my networking
[01:41] <ScottL> ailo, ouch, that sucks :(
[01:42] <ScottL> ailo, as far as the -lowlatency kernel, that's still up to abogani to get to persia to push into the repos at this point
[01:42] <TheMuso> Yes there is an isc-dhcp package issue, a fix has been uploaded, it will take time to trickle down to mirrors.
[01:43] <ailo> ScottL: Don't we need to upload it before feature freeze?
[01:51] <TheMuso> Feature freeze is in effect.
[01:51] <paultag> TheMuso: seriously?
[01:52] <TheMuso> Yes.
[01:52] <TheMuso> Check the topic in #ubuntu-devel, and read the latest message on ubuntu-devel-announce@lists.ubuntu.com.
[01:52] <TheMuso> I suggest you guys keep an eye on both places.
[01:53] <ailo> TheMuso: so it's impossible to upload a new kernel, or is that not affected?
[01:53] <TheMuso> Adding any new packages to the archive is not possible, unless you are granted a feature freeze exception. The earlier these are applied for, the better.
[01:54] <paultag> TheMuso: I don't do ubuntu-devel, so I don't like subing to such noisy lists :)
[01:54] <paultag> TheMuso: it's already there, and it closes a RC bug
[01:54] <ScottL> i suppose we should really talk to abogani and see if he is willing to submit one for pushing to the repos
[01:54] <paultag> TheMuso: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-controls
[01:55] <paultag> Oh shit, we're not talking about that
[01:55]  * paultag walks away
[01:55] <ScottL> lol
[02:08] <TheMuso> paultag: ubuntu-devel-announce is low traffic.
[02:27] <ScottL> i didn't finish my thought though :/
[02:28] <ScottL> if abogani doesn't have a kernel he wants to push then it doesn't do any good to see about filing a freeze exception
[02:28] <ScottL> although if he is willing to provide one then i would be happy to file the exception :)
[03:53] <scott-upstairs> heh, abogani, i think i might have found another part of my trouble:
[03:53] <scott-upstairs> scott@lucid-studio:~/kernel$ debuild -S -sa
[03:53] <scott-upstairs> This package has a Debian revision number but there does not seem to be
[03:53] <scott-upstairs> an appropriate original tar file or .orig directory in the parent directory;
[03:53] <scott-upstairs> (expected one of linux-lowlatency_2.6.38.orig.tar.gz, linux-lowlatency_2.6.38.orig.tar.bz2,
[03:53] <scott-upstairs> linux-lowlatency_2.6.38.orig.tar.lzma or kernel.orig)
[03:53] <scott-upstairs> continue anyway? (y/n)
[03:55] <scott-upstairs> i'm pretty sure this is what is giving me the bad .changes file
[07:11]  * abogani waves
[07:11] <abogani> We don't have a any kernel to push.
[07:11] <abogani> ScottL: ^
[13:03] <scott-upstairs> abogani, i looked under your -lowlatency directory but did not find an original tarball for the -lowlatency kernel
[13:03] <scott-upstairs> i did find one under the -lowlatency-meta directory however (which explains why this same error didn't show up previously)
[13:03] <scott-upstairs> am i missing something from the git directory?
[13:05] <abogani> scott-upstairs: No. It is a native package so It don't have original tarball.
[13:05] <abogani> Ok.
[13:05] <abogani> Remove _all_ (but not the git tree).
[13:06] <abogani> for every git tree directory execute "git remote update --prune && git reset --hard origin"
[13:06] <abogani> And so retry again
[13:07] <abogani> This time start with ubuntu-natty-lowlatency package
[13:07] <abogani> (the kernel)
[16:43] <ailo-net_> Whats a sure way to install natty from usb? Ive failed so far with both current live and alternative cd as well as alpha 2 live cd
[16:43] <ailo-net_> Using both ubuntus usb creator and unetbootin
[16:43] <falktx> ailo-net_: alternate cd in usb is possible too
[16:44] <falktx> maybe that will work
[16:44] <ailo-net_> Already tried that, but havent tried alpha 2 version yet
[16:45] <ailo-net_> All of them boot, but all of them fail at some point
[16:45] <falktx> heh
[16:45] <falktx> I hope they fix natty issues soon, or it will be a disaster
[16:46] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/697774
[16:46] <ailo-net_> I lost networking in my last upgrade. That and other reasons make me want to do a fresh install
[16:46] <holstein> although i havent tried it myself, i was told https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuServerFlashDriveInstaller worked
[16:46] <falktx> "Won't Fix?"
[16:48] <ailo-net_> Well, I havent even tried installing UbuntuStudio yet. Did that on another machine more than a week ago, and it installed well from DVD, except when logging in the graphics were corrupted.
[16:48] <holstein> O I C
[16:49] <holstein> natty vanilla is failing
[16:49] <holstein> interesting
[16:49] <holstein> i installed from CD
[16:49] <ailo-net_> Could be the prolem is Im trying to install from usb
[16:50] <ailo-net_> I also tried installing from harddisk, but I must be missing some info on that. Was able to boot, but after choosing language, the installation freezed.
[16:51] <ailo-net_> Just want to be able to install without CD or DVD. :P
[17:02] <ailo-net_> This must be the bug I suffer fro v
[17:02] <ailo-net_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/isc-dhcp/+bug/724556
[17:12] <ailo-net_> Seems like Alpha 2 with unetbootin is what will work for me
[17:14] <scott-work> falktx: which "natty issues" are you speaking of?
[17:14] <falktx> scott-work: gcc errors
[17:14] <scott-work> ailo-net_: TheMuso said it was know and a fix pushed but it would take time for the fix to hit all the mirrors
[17:14] <scott-work> falktx: OH!  aye, that would be disasterous
[17:14] <scott-work> i've seen traffic on the debian multimedia team list about that as well
[17:15] <ailo-net_> The bug should be fixed now, from what they wrote
[18:29] <ailo> Finally!
[20:37] <ailo> ScottL: I noticed Ubuntu's default desktop on Natty is looking very similar to a standard Gnome desktop. This is my impression making a fresh install of vanilla Alpha 2.
[20:54] <ScottL> ailo,  is that good or bad in your opinion?
[20:56] <ailo> ScottL: Can't tell what is the big difference really. Some of the features we saw earlier are missing. Pretty much the only thing I see is a united indicator applet, and the indicator-app-menu (mac global menu thing), which you can remove if you want.
[20:56] <ailo> Otherwise it looks very similar to before
[20:56] <ailo> Perhaps they rolled back a lot of features because of time pressure?
[20:57] <ailo> Not that I know what the goal is for unity
[21:01] <ailo> ScottL: When I say similar to before, I mean similar to Maverick
[21:27] <ScottL> ailo, which features are missing?
[21:28] <ailo> ScottL: The panel seems to be a normal Gnome panel, there's no sidebar, the main menu is a Gnome main menu...
[21:28] <ailo> ScottL: Really the other way around, nothing seems to be added, except for the global mac style menu
[21:28] <ScottL> ailo, you mean for vanilla ubuntu or ubuntu desktop
[21:28] <ScottL> not ubuntu studio
[21:28] <ScottL> yes?
[21:29] <ailo> ScottL: This is from installing the vanilla Ubuntu, Alpha 2 release
[21:30]  * ailo is going to take another look
[21:32] <ailo> ScottL: The Ubuntu default Desktop is virtually identical to the "classic" Desktop right now.
[21:46] <ailo> ScottL: Looking at the packages I can see that they've broken down unity into different packages.
[22:14] <ScottL> well, luckily that shouldn't affect us though :)
[22:16] <ScottL> ailo, did you see alessio's response about having a -lowlatency kernel?  basically he said he didn't have one :(
[22:17] <ScottL> " We don't have a any kernel to push" is what he said actually
[22:17] <ailo> ScottL: I was wondering what he meant.