[03:08] <charlie-tca> ochosi: article looks good to me. Thanks
[09:58] <knome> 23:30  AlanBell: knome: the IS team should have been working on upgrading the canonical wiki this week, and in theory they might announce some downtime on the main wiki for the upgrade in the next week or two.
[10:12] <TheSheep> finally moin 1.9.3?
[10:21] <knome> i suppose so, but hey...
[10:22] <knome> 23:30  AlanBell: believe it when you see it
[10:53] <ochosi> TheSheep: a new moin-version would mean more speed?
[10:54] <knome> ochosi, yes, apparently
[10:54] <knome> at least that's what they are saying
[10:54] <ochosi> TheSheep: btw, i wrote an article for UWN or the blog (not sure where they wanna publish it in the end) and that's pretty much continuing the nice discussion we had about project management and feedback
[10:54] <TheSheep> ochosi: more importantly, security fixes
[10:55] <ochosi> right
[10:55] <TheSheep> ochosi: that's great, I will be sure to read it and comment :)
[10:58] <ochosi> TheSheep: thanks
[11:01] <ochosi> pleia2: i read something in the meeting minutes from yesterday about an account for me, could you fill me in what that's exactly about?
[11:01] <ochosi> pleia2: drupal == xubuntu.org?
[11:45] <mr_pouit> daily not oversized (+3Mb)
[11:45] <mr_pouit> hal isn't installed by default anymore now that we removed exaile
[11:46] <mr_pouit> there's a thunderbird-globalmenu pulled in though, but it's only useful to unity :(
[13:59] <ochosi> pleia2, knome: the front-page of elementaryos is a good example of a nice slideshow: http://elementaryos.org/
[14:04] <knome> ochosi, yeah, and if js is turned off, the page looks like shit
[14:06] <ochosi> knome: well, i'm not saying we have to take this implementation
[14:06] <ochosi> it's just a nice idea of letting the apps scroll by
[14:13] <Sysi> i think people like more when things don't move automatically but when they press button
[14:15] <ochosi> not sure, i think xfce.org also does a good job at that
[14:15] <ochosi> (and it's moving by default)
[14:15] <ochosi> same for the slideshow in the installer
[14:32] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[15:16] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: did we get the shutdown bug fixed ? I can not reliably reproduce it
[15:17] <charlie-tca> bug 711571
[15:20] <mr_pouit> nope, it's not fixed afaik
[15:20] <mr_pouit> I can reproduce it from time to time
[15:21] <mr_pouit> not reliably either :/
[15:27] <charlie-tca> thanks
[15:27] <charlie-tca> That seems to be our "bad bug"
[17:04] <knome> charlie-tca, what do you want to have in the slideshow?
[17:04] <ochosi> hey charlie-tca 
[17:04] <ochosi> knome and me thought we could work on updating the slideshow
[17:05] <charlie-tca> in a meeting right now, 
[17:05] <charlie-tca> give me a few minutes, okay?
[17:05] <knome> sure
[17:05] <ochosi> sure, it's not likely we'll finish anything by then ;)
[17:07] <charlie-tca> Okay
[17:07] <charlie-tca> what do I want? 
[17:08] <charlie-tca> I want a shot of the desktop, with the new theme and launcher panel
[17:08] <charlie-tca> or something like that?
[17:08] <charlie-tca> any chance of a screen shot of gmusicbrowser?
[17:09] <charlie-tca> the web chat screen is great! People seem to really like that capability
[17:09] <charlie-tca> and other than that, I am wide open
[17:10] <charlie-tca> What do you want in there? You are both very good at that kind of "people like this" thing.
[17:10] <knome> we were thinking of adding some introductions to default apps
[17:10] <knome> and generally, cutting down the slide text length
[17:11] <charlie-tca> too much reading?
[17:11] <knome> comparing to the ubuntu slides, the xubuntu slides feel like novels
[17:11] <charlie-tca> do it, I think. 
[17:11] <knome> too many things going on, really
[17:11] <knome> try to focus on descriptive screenshots
[17:12] <charlie-tca> Like I said, you both are good at that kind of stuff. I could screw it up good :-)
[17:12] <charlie-tca> If you need me to get screenshots, let me know
[17:12] <knome> ochosi has a natty installation, so not necessarily
[17:13] <charlie-tca> but his is more like the real installs... mine is highly modified ;-)
[17:13] <knome> so better use his shots then :P
[17:13] <charlie-tca> well, then
[17:13] <knome> we still need to get the new menu icon in before taking the final shot of the desktop
[17:14] <charlie-tca> yup
[17:14] <knome> probably won't add one big shot of the whole desktop, but little pieces or so
[17:14] <charlie-tca> that works when done right
[17:14] <knome> the user will see the desktop anyway
[17:15] <charlie-tca> a shot of firefox 4 would be good, too. It is quite different than what the users are seeing in maverick, isn't it?
[17:15] <knome> bzr branch lp:ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu
[17:15] <knome> ./test-slideshow.sh
[17:15] <knome> ^ charlie-tca 
[17:15] <charlie-tca> isn't there a ubiquity-slideshow-xubuntu?
[17:15] <knome> a bit at least, i think
[17:15] <knome> the xubuntu slideshow is in the same repository
[17:15] <knome> try it
[17:16] <knome> you get to choose which slideshow you want to test
[17:16] <ochosi> hm, i think that ff4 still has the menubar on by default
[17:16] <charlie-tca> Oh, I get to see it every time I test a11y in Ubuntu
[17:16] <ochosi> only if you change that it looks different (but i might be wrong)
[17:16] <charlie-tca> I don't pay much attention to it
[17:16] <ochosi> :)
[17:17] <ochosi> the ubuntu slideshow is also in that repo
[17:17] <knome> mm
[17:17] <ochosi> actually all ubiquity slideshows are there
[17:17] <knome> and kubuntu
[17:17] <knome> yup
[17:17] <charlie-tca> ff4 has the menubar, but they moved the tab bar and toolbars enough to make it hard to learn
[17:17] <ochosi> right
[17:17] <ochosi> should check out the default again at some point
[17:17] <ochosi> even my natty ff is modified
[17:17] <charlie-tca> You can not click a tab to bookmark it anymore, either. You have to right-click the page itself
[17:18] <charlie-tca> and they removed the bottom stuff, like when updating a page or going to a link.
[17:18] <charlie-tca> well, maybe just screwed that up too
[17:20] <charlie-tca> I will be happy with a slideshow that is current for Natty. 
[17:21] <charlie-tca> Now I am going test the images again. I heard they are broken again today
[17:21] <ochosi> ok, we'll try to update it good :)
[17:22] <charlie-tca> ochosi, knome : Thank you for doing the slideshow!
[17:22] <ochosi> np
[17:23] <ochosi> it really would be a shame if the natty slideshow would still be so out-of-date as mavericks...
[18:33] <ochosi> charlie-tca: just wanted to quickly ask again: where will that article of mine be published? UWN? xubuntu.org?
[18:34] <charlie-tca> um, xubuntu.org at least
[18:34] <charlie-tca> You want to push it into UWN? I can do that, too
[18:34] <ochosi> dunno, thought UWN was the goal originally
[18:34] <ochosi> but i don't mind
[18:34] <ochosi> just not sure anyone will read it if it's only on xubuntu.org :)
[18:34] <charlie-tca> I forget things. Let's push it to them, too!
[18:35] <charlie-tca> I will forward it to UWN
[18:35] <ochosi> ok cool
[18:35] <ochosi> thanks
[18:35] <charlie-tca> Thank you for reminding of these things
[18:35] <ochosi> np
[18:35] <ochosi> btw, could we add the workspace-switcher to the next meeting's agenda?
[18:35] <charlie-tca> we discussed it this week.
[18:36] <charlie-tca> We really want it, you know
[18:36] <ochosi> yeah, i got that from reading the meeting log
[18:36] <ochosi> but there are several ways to do it
[18:36] <charlie-tca> but, if you want to discuss it again... I can add it
[18:36] <ochosi> not just the panel-plugin
[18:37] <ochosi> i think it's nicer to check the alternatives too
[18:37] <charlie-tca> Okay
[18:37] <charlie-tca> I mean, I use 8 workspaces, myself
[18:37] <ochosi> e.g. in the window-buttons plugin we could activate "show windows from all workspaces"
[18:37] <ochosi> and "group windows" by default
[18:37] <charlie-tca> that's not the same, though
[18:37] <ochosi> i know
[18:38] <ochosi> but it serves a similar purpose in a way
[18:38] <charlie-tca> I purposely separate my applications into different windows, I don't wnat them all shown at once
[18:38] <ochosi> right
[18:38] <ochosi> how many workspaces do we have by default?
[18:38] <charlie-tca> 4
[18:39] <ochosi> hm, maybe we could reduce that to 2
[18:39] <knome> +1
[18:39] <ochosi> then the ws-switcher would also look nicer :)
[18:39] <charlie-tca> That is a feature
[18:39] <ochosi> ok
[18:39] <knome> bigger number of default workspaces isn't a feature imo
[18:39] <Sysi> i think there's only two?
[18:39] <ochosi> too bad
[18:39] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu took theirs down to 2, and now they are back up to 4 or 8
[18:40] <ochosi> ok, maybe we should check how many we really have
[18:40] <ochosi> and then check whether it's a feature to reduce them
[18:40] <ochosi> and then discuss it
[18:40] <ochosi> ?
[18:40] <Sysi> btw it's kinda interesting to have compositing enabled by default and then hide contents of window when moving
[18:41] <charlie-tca> I honestly dislike that thing that says you get two workspaces by default, and we will hide them from you so you won't know they are even there
[18:44] <charlie-tca> Oh, by the way...
[18:44] <ochosi> charlie-tca: my suggestion was just to make it 2 ws and add the switcher to the panel
[18:44] <charlie-tca> If we can't get the shutdown/restart to gdm thing fixed, we need to look at reverting to the action buttons instead of session menu
[18:44] <ochosi> Sysi: not all of those decisions were taken consciously, i think the moving-windows thing was already present in maverick
[18:45] <charlie-tca> The shutdown and restart thing seems to be directly related to session menu, somehow
[18:45] <ochosi> charlie-tca: yeah, the fact that the session-menu isn't working so well is frustrating (since the plugin seems so simple in a way)
[18:45] <charlie-tca> +1
[18:46] <charlie-tca> Even I could learn to not hate it :-)
[18:46] <ochosi> :)
[18:46] <Sysi> ochosi: iäm not really against it' it just feels weird
[18:47] <ochosi> Sysi: in fact i've been using that combination always :)
[18:48] <Sysi> i can't see windows well enough without content in them..
[18:48] <Sysi> and on small screen you need to know exactly how much to move
[18:52] <charlie-tca> Well, that takes care of my power outage today
[18:53] <charlie-tca> ochosi: the other issue I am getting when using session menu is that my computer does not restart correctly. Xfwm4 does not restart when using it. 
[18:53] <ochosi> strange
[18:53] <charlie-tca> Using Action Buttons, I can restart and xfwm4 restart when I login
[18:53] <ochosi> haven't experienced that yet
[18:53] <charlie-tca> It is every boot here
[18:54] <ochosi> restart sometimes just gets me back to gdm
[18:54] <charlie-tca> yeah, mine won't do that most of the time, but then I have to manually start xfwm4 
[18:54] <charlie-tca> and increase the workspaces back to 8
[18:54] <ochosi> hmm, that sucks
[18:55] <ochosi> mr_pouit: to what chances will the session-menu be fixed soon?
[18:55] <charlie-tca> yeah, I think these power fluxes suck worse
[19:00] <ochosi> k, g2g now and will be away over the weekend!
[19:00] <ochosi> have a nice weekend everyone
[19:00]  * ochosi waves
[19:00] <charlie-tca> Have a good weekend!
[19:00] <ochosi> thanks
[22:38] <knome> whoever is moderating the xubuntu-devel list, you can unapprove the mail from pasi@alshain.fi - i sent the same mail from the correct account so it got posted to the list immediately