[01:17] <ScottK> Tm_T__: Do you know if any powerpc macs have Broadcom wireless?  I'm looking for stuff to throw off the CD so it's not oversized.
[09:55] <apachelogger> debfx: pong
[09:59] <debfx> apachelogger: had a question about ScottK's arm boxes but the build is running now
[09:59] <apachelogger> k
[10:45] <bambee> morning
[10:47] <shadeslayer> tarball's up
[10:47] <shadeslayer> get packaging people
[10:53] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: tarballs of what?
[10:53] <shadeslayer> KDE 4.6.1
[10:53] <Quintasan> kool
[10:53] <Quintasan> ~ninjas
[10:53] <kubotu> apachelogger, Arby, devfil, JontheEchidna, nhandler, Riddell, ScottK, stdin and vorian ... to the Batcave!
[10:54] <Quintasan> Why this list is not up to date?
[10:56] <tsimpson> because the ninjas are sneaky like that
[10:57] <tsimpson> Quintasan: I think you want !ninjas
[10:58] <Quintasan> hmm
[10:58] <Quintasan> !ninjas
[10:58] <Quintasan> oh
[10:59] <bambee> I will be busy in few minutes but, Can I give some help for packaging this afternoon ? (4.6.1)
[11:00] <bambee> I meant, it's a reserved task for ninjas or anyone can participate ?
[11:00] <shadeslayer> you mean
[11:00] <shadeslayer> ~ninjas
[11:00] <kubotu> apachelogger, Arby, devfil, JontheEchidna, nhandler, Riddell, ScottK, stdin and vorian ... to the Batcave!
[11:01] <Quintasan> bambee: I think you can help :P
[11:01] <bambee> great :)
[11:01] <apachelogger> whut?
[11:01] <bambee> ?
[11:02] <Quintasan> bambee: are you a member yet?
[11:02] <apachelogger> ah
[11:02] <Quintasan> apachelogger: new tarballz
[11:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what is ze wiki urlz?
[11:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also, do you want to become a supreme manager like me?
[11:02] <apachelogger> Quintasan: when is neon coming out
[11:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: sure
[11:02] <apachelogger> bambee: you were considering writing soundmenu for plasma?
[11:02] <Quintasan> apachelogger: when we get kdegraphics split done
[11:02] <shadeslayer> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging
[11:02] <bambee> Quintasan: not yet, I have not contributed enough for that, imho
[11:02] <Quintasan> apachelogger: we have artworkz now
[11:03] <Quintasan> also
[11:03] <bambee> apachelogger: I'm coding it
[11:03] <Quintasan> >supreme manager
[11:03] <Quintasan> >apachelogger
[11:03] <Quintasan> does not compute
[11:03] <bambee> apachelogger: my brain is parallel :p
[11:03] <apachelogger> well
[11:03] <apachelogger> bambee: are you a student?
[11:04] <bambee> no seriously these days I develop soundmenu for kde yes, but I can help for other tasks :)
[11:04] <bambee> apachelogger: I'm
[11:05] <bambee> (my studies ends soon)
[11:05] <apachelogger> bambee: you might be holding your efforts
[11:05] <apachelogger> bambee: http://community.kde.org/GSoC/2011/Ideas#Project:_Plasma-based_kmix_Volume_Applet
[11:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: wth does holding your efforts mean ? :P
[11:05] <apachelogger> dunno
[11:05]  * apachelogger is not fully awake yet
[11:06]  * apachelogger also hopes no one notices the very obvious try to drag bambee into KDE development
[11:06] <bambee> apachelogger: interesting.. :)
[11:06] <shadeslayer> darn it
[11:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: fix0r my code
[11:06] <apachelogger> I shall
[11:06] <apachelogger> where is it?
[11:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: then i can start working on KAuth and neon
[11:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/5833/
[11:07]  * bambee must work his english seriously xD
[11:07] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: clear the wiki
[11:07] <shadeslayer> yeah working on that
[11:07] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: do you not has a clone and or branch?
[11:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: gimme 10 mins
[11:08] <Quintasan> KDE Logic... :/
[11:08] <apachelogger> in 10 mins I have this comimted and stuff :P
[11:08] <Quintasan> http://i.imgur.com/AR8EO.png
[11:08] <Quintasan> the window says it couldnt connect
[11:08] <Quintasan> and the plasma notification says it connected successfully
[11:08] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: siq4-qt3 is done right?
[11:09] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: if by done you mean updated then yes
[11:10] <Quintasan> why the hell i cant create a dolphin entry for ktown
[11:11] <bambee> apachelogger: I come back in the afternoon, can we talk about that later ? but I would love get involved in kde development, indeed
[11:11] <shadeslayer> ok done changing wiki
[11:12] <bambee> (and kubuntu development/packaging too :D)
[11:12] <Quintasan> ffs
[11:12]  * Quintasan takes kdelibs
[11:16]  * apachelogger hates hacking on freign code
[11:17] <apachelogger> bambee: certainly
[11:17] <bambee> :)
[11:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: git clone git://anongit.kde.org:/clones/kde-workspace/garg/kde-workspace.git
[11:22] <apachelogger> already got it :P
[11:22] <shadeslayer> uh
[11:22] <shadeslayer> heh :P
[11:22] <apachelogger> actually I already have your stuff fixed too
[11:22] <shadeslayer> oh
[11:22] <apachelogger> just testing does not like to work with 4.6 it seems
[11:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: plz2show diff
[11:23] <apachelogger> hm
[11:23] <apachelogger> that needs refactoring actually
[11:23] <apachelogger> most horrible code
[11:24] <shadeslayer> :D
[11:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://paste.kde.org/5882/
[11:24] <apachelogger> plz try that
[11:25]  * apachelogger gets install problems with it
[11:25] <apachelogger> in particular the kauth helper seems to refuse helping at all
[11:25] <shadeslayer> DERP
[11:26] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: If you start working on kdegraphics we can release it within one hour -_-
[11:26] <Quintasan> I mean Project Neon
[11:26] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: ok ... i'll look at it
[11:29] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: does it werk?
[11:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: it ez compiling
[11:29] <apachelogger> how long does this take then? :O
[11:29] <shadeslayer> haven't compiled in a week, so it'll take time
[11:29] <apachelogger> just compile the kcm :P
[11:30] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://paste.kde.org/5883/
[11:30] <apachelogger> revised processnewstuff
[11:32] <apachelogger> kde bug 262523
[11:33] <apachelogger> -.-
[11:33] <apachelogger> oh
[11:33] <apachelogger> I cannot reach it either
[11:33] <apachelogger> seems bko is down for maintenance
[11:39] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Any idea sudo part of debian/patches/kubuntu_06_user_disk_mounting.diff didnt go upstream?
[11:39] <Quintasan> everything else is already there
[11:40] <apachelogger> sudo part?
[11:40] <apachelogger> can you plz past0r the patch0r
[11:40] <apachelogger> also IIRC that paritcular patch is utter shit anyway
[11:41] <Quintasan> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/5885
[11:41] <apachelogger> and should be replaced by kauth or somesuch stuff ... or proper udev profiles .... something else at least
[11:41] <Quintasan> only sudo stuff is left
[11:41] <apachelogger> sudo stuff?
[11:41] <Quintasan> ffs
[11:41] <apachelogger> sudoCommandName() you mean?
[11:41] <Quintasan> yes
[11:41] <apachelogger> because that function is the shit
[11:42] <Quintasan> So do I remove this patch or edit it so it applies?
[11:42] <Quintasan> ffs
[11:42] <apachelogger> edit
[11:42] <apachelogger> and report a bug
[11:43] <apachelogger> that stuff shoudl be done via udev or if it must be kauth and a helper
[11:43] <Quintasan> apachelogger: so report a bug for me
[11:43] <apachelogger> ay
[11:43] <apachelogger> e
[11:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ok so  the patch works, but i dont see the theme being listed after it's downloaded
[11:47] <shadeslayer> and my system is all sorts of crapped out with 2 X Srvers
[11:47] <shadeslayer> *servers
[11:47] <apachelogger> and if you restart the kcm?
[11:48] <shadeslayer> nothing
[11:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what is the bug you are fixing btw?
[11:50] <shadeslayer> kde bug 
[11:51] <apachelogger> well yes
[11:51] <shadeslayer> kde bug 262523
[11:51] <apachelogger> what is it about
[11:51] <apachelogger> bko times out
[11:51] <shadeslayer> ah
[11:51] <shadeslayer> its about the star icon not being shown
[11:51] <shadeslayer> the GHNS icon
[11:51] <apachelogger> ah
[11:51] <apachelogger> well
[11:51] <apachelogger> I believe there is more defunct
[11:52] <apachelogger> both the old code and the new one will install to a user location
[11:52] <apachelogger> that cannot work I'd say
[11:53] <shadeslayer> hmm
[11:53] <shadeslayer> ah finally 
[11:53] <shadeslayer> fixed my windows in stable KDE
[11:54] <apachelogger> also I do not see where the new things get added to the themewidget
[11:55] <apachelogger> needs more work definitely, but the button stuff should be ok now
[11:58] <shadeslayer> hmm
[11:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: maybe fregl knows ?
[12:11] <apachelogger> knows what?
[12:12] <Quintasan> ...
[12:13] <shadeslayer> how to fix the problem
[12:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: why would he know?
[12:14] <shadeslayer> because ossi said so?
[12:14] <apachelogger> whut?
[12:14] <apachelogger> fregl did not write the kcm?
[12:14] <apachelogger> !
 shadeslayer: but i have no idea how it is supposed to be. ask fregl
[12:15] <apachelogger> I already told you how it is supposed to be :P
[12:15] <Quintasan> editing quilt patches is a pita
[12:15] <apachelogger> you just did not listen
[12:15] <shadeslayer> aw .. bugs.kde.org is down
[12:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: the kcm needs to take the theme downloaded by KNS and do shit with it
[12:15] <shadeslayer> ok
[12:15] <apachelogger> namely invoke the kcm helper and move the theme to the system location where themes are stored
[12:15] <Quintasan> damn you
[12:15] <Quintasan> damn you quilt
[12:15] <apachelogger> and then the kcm eneds to insert the widget into the treeview which currenlty does not seem to happen
[12:16] <Quintasan> apachelogger: rewrite this damn patch so we can drop it :/
[12:16] <apachelogger> I did not write it
[12:59] <Quintasan> GREAT, MORE FTBFS
[13:00] <Quintasan> what the...
[13:00] <Quintasan> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/572615
[13:01] <Quintasan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/572616 <-- error
[13:01] <Quintasan> won't say I understand this
[13:02] <shadeslayer> ah
[13:02] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: report in #kde-devel to dirk
[13:02] <Quintasan> this is our patch shadeslayer
[13:02] <shadeslayer> hahah
[13:02] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: kubuntu_77_ksambashare.diff
[13:02] <shadeslayer> there are missing parenthesis i think
[13:03] <Quintasan> COOL STORY BRO
[13:03] <Quintasan> I can read the message
[13:03] <Quintasan> but where the hell do I put that missing (? 
[13:03] <shadeslayer> that would be rbelem's patch no?
[13:03] <shadeslayer> looking
[13:03] <Quintasan> Most likely, too bad my regexp skills are next to none
[13:09] <shadeslayer> yikes
[13:10] <shadeslayer> that is some scary regex
[13:11] <Quintasan> what I can guess it is that it extracts text from [] and it probably contains whitespaces
[13:14] <shadeslayer> that like looks all sorts of foobared ... it has 3 strings one after the other
[13:14] <shadeslayer> why not combine it into 1?
[13:15] <apachelogger> Quintasan: there is an unescaped " in the regex
[13:15] <apachelogger>                                          "([^%<>*\?|/\\+=;:",]+)"
[13:15] <shadeslayer> ah ^^
[13:15] <Quintasan> oh
[13:15] <Quintasan> makes perfect sense

[13:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can that not me made into 1 single string?
[13:16] <apachelogger> eh, an unescaped quotation :D
[13:16] <shadeslayer> why do we have 3 strings?
[13:16] <shadeslayer> hehe
[13:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it is one string
[13:16] <yofel> I think that's for "readability" reasons
[13:16] <apachelogger> just spread across 3 lines
[13:16] <apachelogger> yofel: I do not find that regex very readable though ^^
[13:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes, but instead of having "string1" "string2" "string3", have : "string1 \ string 2 \ string3"
[13:17] <yofel> apachelogger: all regexes are write-only, but I guess he did think it would make it easier...
[13:17] <Quintasan> apachelogger: you mean third one?
[13:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that is more errorprone
[13:17] <apachelogger> forget a back slash and you are doomed
[13:17] <Quintasan> (... )+=;:\"<---this?,]+ (...)
[13:17] <apachelogger> Quintasan: hai
[13:17] <apachelogger> well
[13:17] <shadeslayer> heh
[13:17] <apachelogger> yes, that one
[13:18] <apachelogger> which is the second one of that line ^^
[13:18] <Quintasan> oh damn it
[13:18] <apachelogger> whos got entertainment recommendations for me?
[13:18] <apachelogger> I am out of things to watch it would seem
[13:19] <apachelogger> and I need to test phonon vlc's videowidget ;) ;) ;)
[13:19] <shadeslayer> WTF http://paste.kde.org/5897
[13:19]  * apachelogger loves how working on multimedia stuff provides excuses to watch movies and tv series ^^
[13:19] <Quintasan> apachelogger: newest show from AmeriKKKa
[13:19] <apachelogger> Quintasan: whut is that?
[13:19] <Quintasan> apachelogger: awwww yeah it builds
[13:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: clearly someone messed up
[13:20] <shadeslayer> hmm
[13:20] <apachelogger> macro_optional_find_package is not part of the standard cmake cmds
[13:20] <apachelogger> meaning it is a macro defined in some addition
[13:22] <shadeslayer> also
[13:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdegraphics/kamera/repository/revisions/master/entry/CMakeLists.txt
[13:22] <shadeslayer> include(MacroLibrary) x2 and  include(MacroOptionalAddSubdirectory) x2
[13:22] <apachelogger> I did not say that upstream messed up... :P
[13:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no not that, i mean, that CMakeLists.txt has duplicate includes
[13:24] <apachelogger> so?
[13:24] <apachelogger> should be fixed I suppose
[13:24] <shadeslayer> that's what i'm asking ;)
[13:24] <apachelogger> the master sez: fix0r away
[13:25] <shadeslayer> ok
[13:25]  * shadeslayer clones
[13:25] <apachelogger> me?
[13:25] <apachelogger> :O
[13:25] <shadeslayer> yes
[13:25] <shadeslayer> git clone kde:apachelogger
[13:25] <shadeslayer> :>
[13:25] <apachelogger> i happens
[13:28] <shadeslayer> fixed
[13:28] <shadeslayer> http://commits.kde.org/kamera/1e8c1ba3bcf5f40630f29410b84f6ab250c22f5a
[13:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: now back to that CMake error
[13:32] <shadeslayer> dude
[13:32] <shadeslayer> it needs find_package(KDE4 REQUIRED)
[13:36] <apachelogger> of course it does
[13:38] <shadeslayer> *sigh* http://paste.kde.org/5900
[13:38] <shadeslayer>   Cannot find source file "mobipocket.cpp".  Tried extensions .c .C .c++ .cc >.>
[13:39] <yofel> oh, mobipocket is still in svn..
[13:39] <shadeslayer> bwhahaha
[13:41] <shadeslayer> time to fixor analyzer
[13:42] <shadeslayer> ah
[13:42] <shadeslayer> our import is old
[13:50] <Tm_T> ScottK: cannot say off-hand, other than my ibook needs b43 or something like that
[13:53] <Quintasan> yay new symbols
[14:22] <Quintasan> apachelogger: What version? [ u = 4:4.6.1 / d = 4:4.6.1-0ubuntu1~ppa1~ / v = 4:4.6.1-0ubuntu1~ppa1 / enter other ]: 
[14:25] <shadeslayer> heh
[14:29]  * Quintasan always has no idea which one
[14:31] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: you mean package version?
[14:31] <shadeslayer> or something else
[14:31] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: pkgkde-symbolshelper batchpatch BUILDLOG spews this out
[14:31] <Quintasan> I dunno which version I am supposed to pick
[14:32] <shadeslayer> ah
[14:32] <shadeslayer> i'd say go with  4.6.1
[14:32] <apachelogger> Quintasan: hm?
[14:32] <apachelogger> I am not sure I follow
[14:32] <Quintasan> pkgkde-symbolshelper batchpatch BUILDLOG
[14:32] <Quintasan> What version? [ u = 4:4.6.1 / d = 4:4.6.1-0ubuntu1~ppa1~ / v = 4:4.6.1-0ubuntu1~ppa1 / enter other ]:
[14:33] <Quintasan> which one should I choose?
[14:33]  * Quintasan would go with 4:4.6.1-0ubuntu1~ppa
[14:33] <apachelogger> Quintasan: upstream
[14:33] <apachelogger> as it is the base
[14:34] <apachelogger> if we were to add public API in one of our revisions it would have to carry that precise revision
[14:34] <apachelogger> so [...]~ also falls flat
[14:34] <apachelogger> just FTR
[14:51] <ScottK> Tm_Tr: Thanks.
[14:56] <Quintasan> shadeslayer,apachelogger: uploading kdelibs
[14:56] <shadeslayer> kewl! :D
[14:57] <bambee> apachelogger: http://community.kde.org/GSoC/2011/Ideas#Project:_Plasma-based_kmix_Volume_Applet <-- control remote media players would be an optional feature ?
[14:58] <bambee> well, gsoc is a good challenge :)
[14:59] <shadeslayer> aye :D
[14:59]  * shadeslayer would like to participate this year too
[15:00] <apachelogger> bambee: how would you do remote control?
[15:00] <bambee> I meant, mpris2 media player
[15:01] <bambee> for example amarok proposes a dbus service which implements mpris2 specs :)
[15:01] <apachelogger> well, this project focuses on the kmix POV, however it is just an idea, in fact I would say it is best to build upon the idea and propose something much more epic ;)
[15:02] <bambee> ok ;)
[15:03] <apachelogger> so while media player control is not part of the idea that does not prevent you from including it in your proposal for gsoc ;)
[15:07] <shadeslayer> weird
[16:50] <bambee> apachelogger: Colin Guthrie is on IRC ?
[16:50] <apachelogger> bambee: coling in #kde-devel
[16:50] <bambee> ok thanks
[17:09] <effie_jayx> hello all
[17:09] <effie_jayx> if anyone is around, I was asked to volunteer for a talk on QT for ubuntu development week
[17:09] <effie_jayx> any pointers on things that would be of relevance to the general Ubuntu community?
[17:10] <effie_jayx> It is the only kubuntu / qt talk in the whole week and we should try a bit
[17:13] <tsimpson> first things first, it's Qt not QT ;)
[17:13] <jjesse> and pronuced cute :P
[17:15] <Tm_T> ScottK: I'll dig up some fresh facts when I have a chance
[17:20] <effie_jayx> tsimpson: sorry
[17:21] <tsimpson> just don't do it in #qt and you'll be fine :)
[17:21] <effie_jayx> well anyone willing to help, not really sure what would be interesting to highlight
[17:22] <effie_jayx> anything that might get people into Qt a bit more?
[17:23] <tsimpson> probably QML, if you know anything about it
[17:23] <tsimpson> http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/qdeclarativeexamples.html
[17:24] <tsimpson> and how easy it is to write a "Hello World" dialog in Qt, is always a good one
[17:24] <apachelogger> there was a whole day of qt quick at qt dev days, I think their are videos online :)
[17:26] <bambee> or how it's easy to create a webbrowser in python in just 20 lines of codes :P
[17:26] <bambee> (using qtwebkit)
[17:26] <bambee> (no I was jocking ;) )
[17:28] <ScottK> Tm_T: Thanks.
[17:31] <apachelogger> bambee: or a media player in 7 using phonon :P
[17:33] <bambee> apachelogger: +1
[17:33] <bambee> :)
[18:03] <effie_jayx> amazing
[18:03] <effie_jayx> thanks guys
[18:50] <ScottK> debfx: How's the test build going?
[18:52] <aakshay> I need kdetoys tarball for kde 4.6.1 packaging.. from where can i get it?
[18:56] <debfx> ScottK: don't ask, I forgot to start a screen session :/
[18:56] <ScottK> Ouch.  
[18:57] <aakshay> I need kdetoys tarball for kde 4.6.1 packaging.. from where can i get it?
[18:57] <debfx> though the build got to qtwebkit so I'm pretty sure the patch works
[19:02] <ScottK> debfx: I'd say let's go ahead then.
[19:02] <ScottK> aakshay: From ktown.
[19:03] <yofel> ScottK: what are the rules for giving someone ktown access?
[19:03] <ScottK> I don't think there are any other than don't be dumb about it and make sure they know not to make the code public before release.
[19:03] <ScottK> Riddell's the expert though.
[19:05] <yofel> aakshay: I'll give you a link over PM in a second
[19:05] <aakshay> ScottK: m being novice ,, dont know much but is this not KDE 4.6.0?
[19:05] <debfx> by the way I'm starting to think that it would be better to introduce a build-dep cycle instead of building qtwebkit in qt4-x11 and qtwebkit-source
[19:05] <aakshay> ScottK: and we need to do packaging for 4.6.1?...:)
[19:05] <ScottK> aakshay: We do.
[19:05] <aakshay> yofel: ok... :)
[19:06] <ScottK> debfx: That can cause all kinds of problems.
[19:06] <yofel> aakshay: PM
[19:07] <aakshay> ScottK: ok.. but is it same for 4.6.0 and 4.6.?
[19:07] <ScottK> It?
[19:07] <aakshay> yofel: PM? i dint get.
[19:07] <aakshay> ScottK: code in 4.6.0 branch
[19:08] <aakshay> ScottK: http://alien.slackbook.org/ktown/4.6.0/source/kde/...... there in this branch
[19:08] <yofel> aakshay: I did send you a /msg - so you should have a query open somewhere
[19:08] <ScottK> That's the branch, but you need the tarball which yofel is trying to get to you.
[19:09] <debfx> ScottK: yes, but in the worst case we can just upload qt without qtwebkit support
[19:09] <yofel> debfx: IIRC that broke the help viewer or something like that, can't remember exactly
[19:10] <aakshay> yofel: sry, i dint get this..  and where is teh query opened?
[19:10] <yofel> aakshay: what client do you use?
[19:10] <aakshay> ScottK: ok.. thanks...
[19:10] <aakshay> yofel: ubuntu maverick.. i hope this is what you are asking
[19:11] <yofel> no, *IRC* client
[19:11] <yofel> quassel?
[19:11] <aakshay> yofel: "http://webchat.freenode.net/"
[19:11] <aakshay> yofel: this one
[19:11] <yofel> uuuh...
[19:11] <debfx> yofel: yes, I'm only talking about disabling qtwebkit support temporarily
[19:11]  * yofel is quiet then - don't know enough about qtwebkit
[19:12] <yofel> aakshay: you should have a new tab open at the top with my name
[19:13] <aakshay> yofel: yes.. " == kyofel [5de7a0d4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.231.160.212] has joined #kubuntu-devel"
[19:13] <aakshay> yofel: this one
[19:13] <yofel> no...
[19:13] <yofel> wait
[19:13] <aakshay> yofel: sry.. then
[19:13] <aakshay> yofel: ok
[19:14] <yofel> aakshay: it should look like that for you http://yofel.dyndns.org/pics/ext/webchat.png
[19:15] <aakshay> yofel: ya got it
[19:15] <ScottK> debfx: What do you think about including https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/707794 in the next upload?
[19:15] <ScottK> slangasek is asking me about it.
[19:16]  * slangasek waves 
[19:20] <debfx> ScottK, slangasek: so switch to egl would break all applications using direct opengl calls?
[19:20] <slangasek> correct
[19:21] <ScottK> debfx: OTOH, apachelogger can finally be happy he gets good performance on his n900.
[19:21] <slangasek> mitigated by the fact that a) there are only a handful of these, b) they'll be unusably slow on almost all available arm hardware anyway due to the lack of accelerated opengl drivers
[19:21] <ScottK> I think we need to switch, it's just a question of when.
[19:22] <slangasek> (ogra says that opengl software drivers are good enough on his AC100, but he seems to be in a minority position on this question)
[19:22] <ScottK> slangasek: n900 is a target for us this cycle and we need gles for that, so we definitely want it.  The only question is now or after Alpha 3?
[19:23] <ScottK> If it's just the impacts identified in the bug, then I think we ought to go ahead.
[19:23] <ScottK> debfx: What do you think?
[19:25] <ScottK> In ~20 minutes I can retry the last of the unbuilt KDE packages on armel, so we should be done with that before this can affect us.
[19:26] <debfx> ScottK: can we easly disable opengl support for the affected applications?
[19:26] <ScottK> Except avogadro, AFAIK, yes.
[19:26] <yofel> did you already build Qt with that on any other arch? since I'm getting EGL error in stellarium since a few days ago http://paste.kde.org/5949/
[19:26] <ScottK> Shouldn't.
[19:27] <ScottK> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/65166814/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-powerpc.python-qt4_4.8.3-0ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz is also vexing me.
[19:28] <yofel> I filed a bug on that, but apport is as slow as ever at retracing
[20:10] <debfx> ScottK: before switch to GLES the patches for the kde packages should be ready
[20:10] <debfx> also do applications that have no direct opengl code still work (e.g. is  the abi stable)?
[21:18] <slangasek> debfx: timing-wise, requiring the GLES patches to be ready before uploading qt4-x11 with gles enabled on armel may mean we miss alpha 3
[21:18] <slangasek> I think if we want this for alpha3, it's more practical to take the qt4 patch asap and work on the reverse-deps in parallel
[22:42] <debfx> ScottK: I'm basically ready to upload qt. do you want to enable gles?
[22:52] <ScottK> slangasek and debfx: I"d say let's go for it.
[22:52] <ScottK> (i.e. enable gles)
[22:57] <ScottK> debfx: I can replicate the powerpc python-qt4 build failure locally on i386.
[22:57] <nixternal> ScottK: need a PPC? :)
[22:57] <nixternal> i can fire it up for you
[22:58] <ScottK> nixternal: No. It's something that affects all archs.  It only hit ppc in the archive because it got tried later.
[22:58] <ScottK> /tmp/buildd/python-qt4-4.8.3/build-2.6/QtOpenGL/sipQtOpenGLpart6.cpp: In member function 'void* sipQGLContext::chooseVisual()':
[22:58] <ScottK> /tmp/buildd/python-qt4-4.8.3/build-2.6/QtOpenGL/sipQtOpenGLpart6.cpp:187:16: error: 'chooseVisual' is not a member of 'QGLContext'
[22:58] <ScottK> /tmp/buildd/python-qt4-4.8.3/build-2.6/QtOpenGL/sipQtOpenGLpart6.cpp: In function 'PyObject* meth_QGLContext_chooseVisual(PyObject*, PyObject*)':
[22:58] <ScottK> /tmp/buildd/python-qt4-4.8.3/build-2.6/QtOpenGL/sipQtOpenGLpart6.cpp:708:59: error: 'class QGLContext' has no member named 'chooseVisual'
[22:58] <ScottK> /tmp/buildd/python-qt4-4.8.3/build-2.6/QtOpenGL/sipQtOpenGLpart6.cpp:708:84: error: 'class QGLContext' has no member named 'chooseVisual'
[22:58] <ScottK> debfx: ^^^
[22:59] <ScottK> I looked at the change in the last upload and don't see how it could affect that, but it seems to have.
[22:59] <debfx> ScottK: so enabling egl breaks python-qt4
[23:00] <ScottK> debfx: No.  As in even before that.
[23:00] <ScottK> It looks like it's the uTouch patch that did it.
[23:00] <debfx> ScottK: egl is currently enabled
[23:00] <ScottK> Ah.
[23:00] <debfx> (accidentally)
[23:00] <ScottK> Ooh.
[23:00] <ScottK> and you're fixing that?
[23:01] <debfx> already fixed
[23:01] <debfx> in bzr
[23:01] <ScottK> OK.
[23:01] <ScottK> Excellent.
[23:01] <ScottK> I'd say let's get gles in and upload.
[23:01] <debfx> that's why I want to upload qt, but as the builders are still on manual it's not that urgent
[23:02] <ScottK> debfx: It takes 24 hours on armel and it's not on manual, so may as well give it a head start.
[23:02] <debfx> ScottK: you are confident that python-qt4 can be fixed in time?
[23:02] <ScottK> I think python-qt4 is fine with gles.
[23:03] <ScottK> I think it's your egl thing it needs.
[23:03] <debfx> gles also eanbles egl
[23:03] <ScottK> Oh.
[23:03] <yofel> debfx: how do you disable egl? need to test something
[23:04] <ScottK> I need to study up on my *gl* acronyms.
[23:05] <ScottK> debfx: In that case I'd say it's already broken and we may as well move forward.
[23:05] <debfx> yofel: passing -no-egl to configure
[23:06] <yofel> thanks
[23:12] <debfx> ScottK: well then go ahead and apply the gles patch
[23:12] <ScottK> I thought you were going to upload it?
[23:15] <debfx> oh I see, you want me to be responsible for breaking armel again ;)
[23:16] <ScottK> Yes.  Of course.
[23:16] <ScottK> You've almost got the whole package ready anyway.
[23:16] <slangasek> ScottK, debfx: where would you like the current gles enablement patch?  attached to the bug report?
[23:16] <slangasek> or are you working from a different patch?
[23:17]  * ScottK looks at debfx to answer (assuming he's not going to chicken out)
[23:18] <ScottK> slangasek: He's working from https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/qt/ubuntu I believe.
[23:18] <debfx> slangasek: are there any changes compared to the one on the bug report?
[23:19] <debfx> (except that my -no-egl change broke it, but I can fix that)
[23:22] <slangasek> debfx: yeah, the two patches appear to be equivalent
[23:23] <slangasek> (we did a patch from scratch here and came up with the same thing; the main difference is that I included the gles2 options in the same ORed dep w/ libgl)
[23:27] <ScottK> debfx: I found a Gentoo patch that claims to fix pyqt4 with egl.  I'm testing it now, so don't let that hold you back.
[23:38] <debfx> slangasek: are you ok with these changes? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/qt/ubuntu/revision/151
[23:39] <slangasek> debfx: looks good to me
[23:42] <ScottK> debfx: My python-qt4 test build is past where egl kills it, so I think I have a patch.  Will egl ben enabled on all archs or just armel?
[23:43] <debfx> ScottK: just on armel
[23:43] <ScottK> OK.
[23:44] <ScottK> Once Qt is done, I'll take care of PyQt.
[23:46] <ScottK> Did someone just retry kdenetwork on armel?
[23:52] <valorie> eh, probably too late to ask Riddell a question.
[23:52] <valorie> but just in case you are still awake, Riddell -- better to use an svg or just a png for a dot story?
[23:52] <yofel> iirc he's gone over the weekend