| lordjj | hm... do you remember a guy saying GIMP is not good? | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| Armageddon | that was you ? | 00:00 |
| lordjj | Hehe | 00:00 |
| lordjj | yep | 00:00 |
| Armageddon | do you remember someone answering you saying you should try gimpshop ? | 00:00 |
| Armageddon | that was me ;) | 00:00 |
| lordjj | I still hate it man. I installed Photoshop CS2 through wine | 00:00 |
| Armageddon | lordjj, GIMP brought a lot more than an application to the GNU/Linux Community | 00:01 |
| lordjj | what's gimpshop? An alteration? | 00:01 |
| Armageddon | lordjj, no, it's a hack mode for GIMP | 00:01 |
| Armageddon | lordjj, to make it "feel" closer to Photoshop | 00:01 |
| lordjj | hm | 00:01 |
| Armageddon | lordjj, you don't know how powerful GIMP is | 00:01 |
| Armageddon | lordjj, you don't know the half of it | 00:01 |
| Armageddon | lordjj, do you see most applications you are seeing now ? | 00:02 |
| Armageddon | including Gnome stuff | 00:02 |
| Armageddon | those are written using the GTK+ library | 00:02 |
| Armageddon | !GTK | 00:02 |
| lubotu3 | GTK is the !GIMP toolkit, which forms the base of !GNOME and is used by many applications to provide a !GUI | 00:02 |
| Armageddon | ;) | 00:02 |
| Armageddon | see how powerful it is ? | 00:02 |
| lordjj | Its just the interface that bugged me | 00:03 |
| Armageddon | you gotta be open for change | 00:03 |
| Armageddon | change is most of the time good | 00:03 |
| lordjj | I was accustomed to using Photoshop for years | 00:03 |
| Armageddon | most probably why | 00:03 |
| Armageddon | lordjj, take your time using GIMP and you'll see its power | 00:03 |
| Armageddon | there's an alternative for EVERYTHING | 00:03 |
| Armageddon | oh btw, there is one more thing you should also know | 00:04 |
| lordjj | even Worms :P | 00:04 |
| Armageddon | not all of us in here use Ubuntu | 00:04 |
| lordjj | Warmux | 00:04 |
| lordjj | other distros? | 00:04 |
| Armageddon | that's why I asked you the output of apt | 00:04 |
| Armageddon | most of us use other distros yes | 00:04 |
| lordjj | like what? | 00:05 |
| Armageddon | but we still support Ubuntu because it is the one that got us into this new wonderful world | 00:05 |
| Armageddon | well depends on who | 00:05 |
| Armageddon | don't take youssefchaker as an example, he doesn't even use GNU/Linux most probably | 00:05 |
| Armageddon | shatir bas ynazir 3ammak youssefchaker | 00:06 |
| lordjj | ...inside jokes, I see :P | 00:06 |
| Armageddon | lol | 00:06 |
| Armageddon | lordjj, you gotta ask who to tell you which distro | 00:06 |
| lordjj | let's say you | 00:06 |
| Armageddon | me, ArchLinux | 00:06 |
| Armageddon | rapacity, as well | 00:06 |
| Armageddon | ghantoos, debian | 00:06 |
| Armageddon | compengi turned from gentoo to Ubuntu recently | 00:07 |
| Armageddon | I don't know if he is still on Ubuntu or not | 00:07 |
| Armageddon | and youssefchaker MAC OS X | 00:07 |
| Armageddon | along side Ubuntu I guess :/ | 00:07 |
| Armageddon | I'm not sure | 00:07 |
| lordjj | Is ubuntu the only one with a simple GUI? | 00:07 |
| Armageddon | you gotta ask him | 00:07 |
| Armageddon | listen | 00:08 |
| Armageddon | GUI has nothing to do with the distro | 00:08 |
| Armageddon | Gnome is for all distros including BSD | 00:08 |
| Armageddon | so is KDE, Xfce, Lxde, etc... | 00:08 |
| Armageddon | so are Desktop Managers | 00:08 |
| Armageddon | Ubuntu is probably the most user friendly and the easiest to install out of the box | 00:09 |
| Armageddon | the difference between distributions is the "flavor" if you want | 00:09 |
| Armageddon | GNU/Linux is a car | 00:09 |
| Armageddon | Distros are the brands | 00:09 |
| Armageddon | some people prefer honda over nissan | 00:09 |
| Armageddon | others prefer I don't know KIA | 00:10 |
| Armageddon | all of them have their cons and pros | 00:10 |
| Armageddon | but they all work amazingly | 00:10 |
| lordjj | what is the main element that is changed? | 00:10 |
| lordjj | Obviously the kernel is the same right? | 00:10 |
| lordjj | And the commands | 00:10 |
| Armageddon | well, not anymore | 00:10 |
| Armageddon | the commands are the same yes | 00:10 |
| Armageddon | but not all of them | 00:10 |
| Armageddon | because some are applications installed seperately | 00:11 |
| Armageddon | but yes if you install them they will be the same and work the same | 00:11 |
| Armageddon | well let me give you a small difference between Ubuntu and it's father Debian | 00:11 |
| Armageddon | Ubuntu as you know is debian based | 00:11 |
| Armageddon | right ? | 00:11 |
| lordjj | Yes that I've heard | 00:11 |
| Armageddon | okay well when you install Ubuntu you get GUI, you don't choose it | 00:12 |
| Armageddon | you get a lot of applications as well | 00:12 |
| Armageddon | with debian on the other hand, you most probably won't get anything, you'll have to install GUI yourself | 00:12 |
| Armageddon | that is not fully accurate because there is an option during the installation that allows you to choose if you want to install the GUI or not | 00:12 |
| lordjj | Aha. | 00:12 |
| lordjj | Whatabout stuff like drivers? | 00:13 |
| Armageddon | well, there are 2 types of "drivers" if you want | 00:13 |
| Armageddon | there are the ones built into the kernel and there are modules which are run on startup | 00:13 |
| Armageddon | because both Ubuntu and Debian compile their own kernels and send you the binary packages | 00:13 |
| Armageddon | they try as much as possible to include all architectures in the kernel | 00:14 |
| Armageddon | so most probably your hardware will work, but not always, if it doesn't you'll install a module and run it, if you don't want that you'll have to compile the kernel by yourself | 00:14 |
| Armageddon | by Ubuntu standards that is not recommended | 00:14 |
| lordjj | Btw, have you noticed that battery lasts less on Linux than on Windows? | 00:15 |
| Armageddon | no it doesn't | 00:15 |
| Armageddon | depends on how much you are taking out of the computer | 00:15 |
| lordjj | Well on my laptop it's like that | 00:15 |
| lordjj | On Windows generally last 4 hours | 00:16 |
| lordjj | Ubuntu 2 | 00:16 |
| Armageddon | you should probably install lm-sensors and try to minimize your CPU performance | 00:16 |
| lordjj | I tried installing Jupiter | 00:16 |
| lordjj | but it caused start-up problems | 00:16 |
| Armageddon | no wait | 00:16 |
| lordjj | so I removed it | 00:16 |
| Armageddon | damn I forgot the name | 00:16 |
| Armageddon | it's a CPU Frequency Scaling Monitor | 00:17 |
| Armageddon | I have no idea what's the name of the package | 00:17 |
| lordjj | It corrupted my first Wubi install, since I still didn't know about alt+prntscrn+REISUB | 00:17 |
| Armageddon | cpufrequtils | 00:17 |
| Armageddon | that's the name of the package | 00:17 |
| lordjj | so the pc froze at startup; I forced a turnoff & Wubi got corrupted | 00:17 |
| Armageddon | wubi ? | 00:18 |
| Armageddon | :/ | 00:18 |
| lordjj | ok, does it work like jupiter? | 00:18 |
| Armageddon | I don't know what jupiter is, I never tried it | 00:18 |
| lordjj | Yeah I installed normal installation after that | 00:18 |
| Armageddon | wait | 00:18 |
| Armageddon | what do you mean by wubi ? | 00:18 |
| lordjj | You know "Wubi"; installing Ubuntu through Windows | 00:18 |
| Armageddon | you installed it inside winblows ? | 00:18 |
| lordjj | as if its an application | 00:18 |
| lordjj | the first time ye | 00:19 |
| lordjj | Then corrupted it | 00:19 |
| lordjj | Then installed normally | 00:19 |
| youssefchaker | stepped out, yeah im on Mac OS X and run Ubuntu on my desktop :) | 00:19 |
| youssefchaker | ubuntu is for downloading torrents | 00:19 |
| youssefchaker | mac for web dev | 00:19 |
| Armageddon | lordjj, see you got your answer | 00:19 |
| Armageddon | lol | 00:19 |
| lordjj | heh | 00:20 |
| Armageddon | youssefchaker, you download torrents ? shame on you | 00:20 |
| Armageddon | shame shame | 00:20 |
| Armageddon | transmission right ? youssefchaker ? :p | 00:20 |
| lordjj | Btw, I read on forums that underclocking CPUs can be harmful. Is that what cpufrequtils does? | 00:21 |
| Armageddon | you mean overclocking | 00:21 |
| lordjj | actually lemme check the right word | 00:21 |
| lordjj | no I don't mean overclocking | 00:22 |
| Armageddon | well what it does is lower the CPU frequency i.e. performance | 00:22 |
| youssefchaker | yes Armageddon | 00:22 |
| Armageddon | winblows does the same when you choose powersaver or whatever | 00:22 |
| lordjj | Aha, so you choose the mode? | 00:23 |
| youssefchaker | btw, off topic, but today i am officially jobless | 00:23 |
| lordjj | Or a whole list of options? | 00:23 |
| youssefchaker | WOOOHOOO | 00:23 |
| lordjj | o_o ... | 00:23 |
| Armageddon | youssefchaker, why ? :/ | 00:24 |
| youssefchaker | i quit my job | 00:24 |
| Armageddon | youssefchaker, wait wait why ? | 00:24 |
| Armageddon | why the hell ? | 00:24 |
| Armageddon | :/ | 00:24 |
| youssefchaker | im co-founding a startup | 00:24 |
| Armageddon | you just quit ! | 00:24 |
| youssefchaker | http://jogabo.com | 00:24 |
| youssefchaker | i quit a month ago | 00:24 |
| youssefchaker | but today was my last day | 00:25 |
| Armageddon | what why ? :o | 00:25 |
| Armageddon | what are you gonna do ? | 00:25 |
| Armageddon | what are you gonna do ? | 00:25 |
| youssefchaker | im going to be the 'CTO' of my own company :D | 00:25 |
| Armageddon | youssefchaker, cool, what kind of company ? | 00:25 |
| Armageddon | lordjj, you chose the mode for each CPU | 00:26 |
| youssefchaker | http://jogabo.com is a site for football (soccer) amateur players | 00:26 |
| Armageddon | that's the company ? | 00:26 |
| youssefchaker | we will help them create/organize/manage games and tournaments, etc | 00:26 |
| Armageddon | teaching football ? | 00:26 |
| youssefchaker | not teaching! | 00:27 |
| youssefchaker | making people's life easier | 00:27 |
| Armageddon | looking for jobless people who need jobs ? | 00:27 |
| youssefchaker | hehehe | 00:27 |
| youssefchaker | not yet | 00:27 |
| youssefchaker | but maybe later | 00:27 |
| youssefchaker | and if 6 or 12 months from now you have good experience in web development or IT or are willing to learn | 00:28 |
| youssefchaker | why not | 00:28 |
| Armageddon | fine I'm in ! | 00:28 |
| lordjj | ok, just btw, underclocking is a word, I didn't make it up "By underclocking (& under-voltage) you end up with a better CPU but at a higher price. | 00:30 |
| lordjj | The atom CPU is not great it is cheap low power so thermal design is easy." | 00:30 |
| lordjj | -from the forums | 00:30 |
| Armageddon | do you even know what they are talking about ? :p | 00:31 |
| lordjj | I think it means reducing performance :P | 00:31 |
| Armageddon | read it again ! | 00:31 |
| Armageddon | it means reducing performance by the company | 00:31 |
| lordjj | Btw, I've been meaning to ask about this for some time: | 00:32 |
| Armageddon | go for it | 00:32 |
| lordjj | I have an old antique desktop | 00:32 |
| lordjj | 128mb RAM | 00:32 |
| lordjj | 1.8 GHz Pentium4 CPU | 00:32 |
| youssefchaker | riz2allah | 00:33 |
| lordjj | I heard Ubuntu can work on 32Mb RAM | 00:33 |
| Armageddon | lordjj, theoretically | 00:33 |
| Armageddon | yes | 00:33 |
| lordjj | but the problem is, the demo won't run on less than 256 mb | 00:33 |
| Armageddon | what demo ? | 00:33 |
| Armageddon | oh you mean the live CD ? :p | 00:33 |
| lordjj | the LIve CD demo | 00:33 |
| Armageddon | hmm | 00:34 |
| lordjj | it just crashes | 00:34 |
| Armageddon | well you gotta try something hmm less demanding | 00:34 |
| lordjj | at times saying not enough memory | 00:34 |
| Armageddon | try Xubuntu or even Lubuntu | 00:34 |
| lordjj | Well I want something out of the box | 00:34 |
| lordjj | especially that there's not internet on that PC | 00:34 |
| Armageddon | well 1st it will have internet once you try Xubuntu or Lubuntu | 00:35 |
| Armageddon | and all Ubuntu versions are out of the box :) but none will work properly without internet connection | 00:35 |
| youssefchaker | a quick question lordjj what are you going to use that computer for? | 00:35 |
| lordjj | heh, eventually for internet :P | 00:35 |
| Armageddon | actually If I'm not mistaken none of the distros will work without internet | 00:35 |
| Armageddon | I mean for updates and stuff | 00:36 |
| lordjj | Are the updates that necessary? | 00:36 |
| Armageddon | and you can't even continue ArchLinux' installation without internet | 00:36 |
| youssefchaker | Armageddon: he means he needs to be able to install it first without internet | 00:36 |
| Armageddon | you'll end up in a useless shell | 00:36 |
| youssefchaker | then when it's ready he'll configure the internet | 00:36 |
| Armageddon | youssefchaker, yea that's what I said | 00:36 |
| youssefchaker | right lordjj? | 00:36 |
| Armageddon | 19:35 < Armageddon> and all Ubuntu versions are out of the box :) but none will work properly without internet connection | 00:36 |
| lordjj | yeah | 00:36 |
| lordjj | well Ubuntu did... | 00:37 |
| Armageddon | lordjj, no it didn't | 00:37 |
| lordjj | What do u mean? | 00:37 |
| Armageddon | you installed the OS fine, got into the GUI then you needed to update | 00:37 |
| lordjj | I installed it without a connection. | 00:37 |
| Armageddon | yes you can | 00:37 |
| Armageddon | less it says netinstall ! you can install it without internet connection | 00:37 |
| Armageddon | all Ubuntu versions work the same | 00:38 |
| Armageddon | the difference is the DE | 00:38 |
| Armageddon | !de | lordjj | 00:38 |
| lubotu3 | lordjj: In den meisten ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuchen Sie bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Geben Sie einfach /join #ubuntu-de ein! Danke für Ihr Verständnis. | 00:38 |
| Armageddon | lol | 00:38 |
| Armageddon | no not german you idiot | 00:38 |
| Armageddon | DE as in Desktop Enbironment | 00:38 |
| Armageddon | !DE | 00:38 |
| lordjj | ? | 00:38 |
| Armageddon | lordjj, I was talking to the bot :p | 00:38 |
| lordjj | ... | 00:38 |
| Armageddon | lordjj, so yes you can install them without internet connection | 00:39 |
| Armageddon | but unless you dont want to install applications and update you'll need an internet connection | 00:39 |
| lordjj | Well, I still don't see what the internet is for if I installed Ubuntu without internet and didn't get a connection for monthes, & when I did I never did the system updates it asked for | 00:40 |
| lordjj | Oh alright | 00:40 |
| lordjj | Well even then | 00:40 |
| lordjj | you can get packages | 00:40 |
| lordjj | like tar.gz | 00:40 |
| Armageddon | lordjj, not recommended by Ubuntu standards | 00:41 |
| Armageddon | lordjj, and you can still get them .deb ;) | 00:41 |
| lordjj | That too | 00:41 |
| lordjj | heh ok | 00:41 |
| lordjj | So for that old PC you recommend Xubuntu you said? | 00:41 |
| Armageddon | or Lubuntu | 00:41 |
| lordjj | ok, how's the installation? Through a CD? | 00:42 |
| lordjj | Just like normal Ubuntu? | 00:42 |
| Armageddon | yup | 00:42 |
| lordjj | Oh and I tried to make a 4GB usb into a portable bootable Ubuntu system once | 00:43 |
| lordjj | I couldn't get it to work | 00:43 |
| lordjj | it'd give me kernel not found | 00:43 |
| lordjj | There's the "Startup Disk Creator" in ubuntu | 00:43 |
| Armageddon | lordjj, never tried that | 00:44 |
| lordjj | I put the Ubuntu CD in the CD rom, and plugged the USB, the Startup DIsk Creator copied files onto it | 00:44 |
| lordjj | then when I boot on the USB I get the menu | 00:44 |
| lordjj | Try Ubuntu, Install, etc | 00:44 |
| lordjj | except I'd get Kernel not found or somethin | 00:45 |
| lordjj | Well anyway. Thanks. Goodnight guys. | 00:45 |
| Armageddon | night | 00:46 |
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