[00:00] hm... do you remember a guy saying GIMP is not good? [00:00] that was you ? [00:00] Hehe [00:00] yep [00:00] do you remember someone answering you saying you should try gimpshop ? [00:00] that was me ;) [00:00] I still hate it man. I installed Photoshop CS2 through wine [00:01] lordjj, GIMP brought a lot more than an application to the GNU/Linux Community [00:01] what's gimpshop? An alteration? [00:01] lordjj, no, it's a hack mode for GIMP [00:01] lordjj, to make it "feel" closer to Photoshop [00:01] hm [00:01] lordjj, you don't know how powerful GIMP is [00:01] lordjj, you don't know the half of it [00:02] lordjj, do you see most applications you are seeing now ? [00:02] including Gnome stuff [00:02] those are written using the GTK+ library [00:02] !GTK [00:02] GTK is the !GIMP toolkit, which forms the base of !GNOME and is used by many applications to provide a !GUI [00:02] ;) [00:02] see how powerful it is ? [00:03] Its just the interface that bugged me [00:03] you gotta be open for change [00:03] change is most of the time good [00:03] I was accustomed to using Photoshop for years [00:03] most probably why [00:03] lordjj, take your time using GIMP and you'll see its power [00:03] there's an alternative for EVERYTHING [00:04] oh btw, there is one more thing you should also know [00:04] even Worms :P [00:04] not all of us in here use Ubuntu [00:04] Warmux [00:04] other distros? [00:04] that's why I asked you the output of apt [00:04] most of us use other distros yes [00:05] like what? [00:05] but we still support Ubuntu because it is the one that got us into this new wonderful world [00:05] well depends on who [00:05] don't take youssefchaker as an example, he doesn't even use GNU/Linux most probably [00:06] shatir bas ynazir 3ammak youssefchaker [00:06] ...inside jokes, I see :P [00:06] lol [00:06] lordjj, you gotta ask who to tell you which distro [00:06] let's say you [00:06] me, ArchLinux [00:06] rapacity, as well [00:06] ghantoos, debian [00:07] compengi turned from gentoo to Ubuntu recently [00:07] I don't know if he is still on Ubuntu or not [00:07] and youssefchaker MAC OS X [00:07] along side Ubuntu I guess :/ [00:07] I'm not sure [00:07] Is ubuntu the only one with a simple GUI? [00:07] you gotta ask him [00:08] listen [00:08] GUI has nothing to do with the distro [00:08] Gnome is for all distros including BSD [00:08] so is KDE, Xfce, Lxde, etc... [00:08] so are Desktop Managers [00:09] Ubuntu is probably the most user friendly and the easiest to install out of the box [00:09] the difference between distributions is the "flavor" if you want [00:09] GNU/Linux is a car [00:09] Distros are the brands [00:09] some people prefer honda over nissan [00:10] others prefer I don't know KIA [00:10] all of them have their cons and pros [00:10] but they all work amazingly [00:10] what is the main element that is changed? [00:10] Obviously the kernel is the same right? [00:10] And the commands [00:10] well, not anymore [00:10] the commands are the same yes [00:10] but not all of them [00:11] because some are applications installed seperately [00:11] but yes if you install them they will be the same and work the same [00:11] well let me give you a small difference between Ubuntu and it's father Debian [00:11] Ubuntu as you know is debian based [00:11] right ? [00:11] Yes that I've heard [00:12] okay well when you install Ubuntu you get GUI, you don't choose it [00:12] you get a lot of applications as well [00:12] with debian on the other hand, you most probably won't get anything, you'll have to install GUI yourself [00:12] that is not fully accurate because there is an option during the installation that allows you to choose if you want to install the GUI or not [00:12] Aha. [00:13] Whatabout stuff like drivers? [00:13] well, there are 2 types of "drivers" if you want [00:13] there are the ones built into the kernel and there are modules which are run on startup [00:13] because both Ubuntu and Debian compile their own kernels and send you the binary packages [00:14] they try as much as possible to include all architectures in the kernel [00:14] so most probably your hardware will work, but not always, if it doesn't you'll install a module and run it, if you don't want that you'll have to compile the kernel by yourself [00:14] by Ubuntu standards that is not recommended [00:15] Btw, have you noticed that battery lasts less on Linux than on Windows? [00:15] no it doesn't [00:15] depends on how much you are taking out of the computer [00:15] Well on my laptop it's like that [00:16] On Windows generally last 4 hours [00:16] Ubuntu 2 [00:16] you should probably install lm-sensors and try to minimize your CPU performance [00:16] I tried installing Jupiter [00:16] but it caused start-up problems [00:16] no wait [00:16] so I removed it [00:16] damn I forgot the name [00:17] it's a CPU Frequency Scaling Monitor [00:17] I have no idea what's the name of the package [00:17] It corrupted my first Wubi install, since I still didn't know about alt+prntscrn+REISUB [00:17] cpufrequtils [00:17] that's the name of the package [00:17] so the pc froze at startup; I forced a turnoff & Wubi got corrupted [00:18] wubi ? [00:18] :/ [00:18] ok, does it work like jupiter? [00:18] I don't know what jupiter is, I never tried it [00:18] Yeah I installed normal installation after that [00:18] wait [00:18] what do you mean by wubi ? [00:18] You know "Wubi"; installing Ubuntu through Windows [00:18] you installed it inside winblows ? [00:18] as if its an application [00:19] the first time ye [00:19] Then corrupted it [00:19] Then installed normally [00:19] stepped out, yeah im on Mac OS X and run Ubuntu on my desktop :) [00:19] ubuntu is for downloading torrents [00:19] mac for web dev [00:19] lordjj, see you got your answer [00:19] lol [00:20] heh [00:20] youssefchaker, you download torrents ? shame on you [00:20] shame shame [00:20] transmission right ? youssefchaker ? :p [00:21] Btw, I read on forums that underclocking CPUs can be harmful. Is that what cpufrequtils does? [00:21] you mean overclocking [00:21] actually lemme check the right word [00:22] no I don't mean overclocking [00:22] well what it does is lower the CPU frequency i.e. performance [00:22] yes Armageddon [00:22] winblows does the same when you choose powersaver or whatever [00:23] Aha, so you choose the mode? [00:23] btw, off topic, but today i am officially jobless [00:23] Or a whole list of options? [00:23] WOOOHOOO [00:23] o_o ... [00:24] youssefchaker, why ? :/ [00:24] i quit my job [00:24] youssefchaker, wait wait why ? [00:24] why the hell ? [00:24] :/ [00:24] im co-founding a startup [00:24] you just quit ! [00:24] http://jogabo.com [00:24] i quit a month ago [00:25] but today was my last day [00:25] what why ? :o [00:25] what are you gonna do ? [00:25] what are you gonna do ? [00:25] im going to be the 'CTO' of my own company :D [00:25] youssefchaker, cool, what kind of company ? [00:26] lordjj, you chose the mode for each CPU [00:26] http://jogabo.com is a site for football (soccer) amateur players [00:26] that's the company ? [00:26] we will help them create/organize/manage games and tournaments, etc [00:26] teaching football ? [00:27] not teaching! [00:27] making people's life easier [00:27] looking for jobless people who need jobs ? [00:27] hehehe [00:27] not yet [00:27] but maybe later [00:28] and if 6 or 12 months from now you have good experience in web development or IT or are willing to learn [00:28] why not [00:28] fine I'm in ! [00:30] ok, just btw, underclocking is a word, I didn't make it up "By underclocking (& under-voltage) you end up with a better CPU but at a higher price. [00:30] The atom CPU is not great it is cheap low power so thermal design is easy." [00:30] -from the forums [00:31] do you even know what they are talking about ? :p [00:31] I think it means reducing performance :P [00:31] read it again ! [00:31] it means reducing performance by the company [00:32] Btw, I've been meaning to ask about this for some time: [00:32] go for it [00:32] I have an old antique desktop [00:32] 128mb RAM [00:32] 1.8 GHz Pentium4 CPU [00:33] riz2allah [00:33] I heard Ubuntu can work on 32Mb RAM [00:33] lordjj, theoretically [00:33] yes [00:33] but the problem is, the demo won't run on less than 256 mb [00:33] what demo ? [00:33] oh you mean the live CD ? :p [00:33] the LIve CD demo [00:34] hmm [00:34] it just crashes [00:34] well you gotta try something hmm less demanding [00:34] at times saying not enough memory [00:34] try Xubuntu or even Lubuntu [00:34] Well I want something out of the box [00:34] especially that there's not internet on that PC [00:35] well 1st it will have internet once you try Xubuntu or Lubuntu [00:35] and all Ubuntu versions are out of the box :) but none will work properly without internet connection [00:35] a quick question lordjj what are you going to use that computer for? [00:35] heh, eventually for internet :P [00:35] actually If I'm not mistaken none of the distros will work without internet [00:36] I mean for updates and stuff [00:36] Are the updates that necessary? [00:36] and you can't even continue ArchLinux' installation without internet [00:36] Armageddon: he means he needs to be able to install it first without internet [00:36] you'll end up in a useless shell [00:36] then when it's ready he'll configure the internet [00:36] youssefchaker, yea that's what I said [00:36] right lordjj? [00:36] 19:35 < Armageddon> and all Ubuntu versions are out of the box :) but none will work properly without internet connection [00:36] yeah [00:37] well Ubuntu did... [00:37] lordjj, no it didn't [00:37] What do u mean? [00:37] you installed the OS fine, got into the GUI then you needed to update [00:37] I installed it without a connection. [00:37] yes you can [00:37] less it says netinstall ! you can install it without internet connection [00:38] all Ubuntu versions work the same [00:38] the difference is the DE [00:38] !de | lordjj [00:38] lordjj: In den meisten ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuchen Sie bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Geben Sie einfach /join #ubuntu-de ein! Danke für Ihr Verständnis. [00:38] lol [00:38] no not german you idiot [00:38] DE as in Desktop Enbironment [00:38] !DE [00:38] ? [00:38] lordjj, I was talking to the bot :p [00:38] ... [00:39] lordjj, so yes you can install them without internet connection [00:39] but unless you dont want to install applications and update you'll need an internet connection [00:40] Well, I still don't see what the internet is for if I installed Ubuntu without internet and didn't get a connection for monthes, & when I did I never did the system updates it asked for [00:40] Oh alright [00:40] Well even then [00:40] you can get packages [00:40] like tar.gz [00:41] lordjj, not recommended by Ubuntu standards [00:41] lordjj, and you can still get them .deb ;) [00:41] That too [00:41] heh ok [00:41] So for that old PC you recommend Xubuntu you said? [00:41] or Lubuntu [00:42] ok, how's the installation? Through a CD? [00:42] Just like normal Ubuntu? [00:42] yup [00:43] Oh and I tried to make a 4GB usb into a portable bootable Ubuntu system once [00:43] I couldn't get it to work [00:43] it'd give me kernel not found [00:43] There's the "Startup Disk Creator" in ubuntu [00:44] lordjj, never tried that [00:44] I put the Ubuntu CD in the CD rom, and plugged the USB, the Startup DIsk Creator copied files onto it [00:44] then when I boot on the USB I get the menu [00:44] Try Ubuntu, Install, etc [00:45] except I'd get Kernel not found or somethin [00:45] Well anyway. Thanks. Goodnight guys. [00:46] night