[00:51] <cloudy_nz> hello timClicks
[01:01] <cloudy_nz> good arvo, purserj
[01:02] <zapzupnz> Ah, finally all stable and set up.
[01:02] <zapzupnz> Hiya cloudy
[01:16] <cloudy_nz> what you been setting up, zapzupnz ?
[01:19] <zapzupnz> Just been reinstalling Mac OS X - I got the Lion developer preview, so I just finished unbacking up my documents.
[01:20] <zapzupnz> Despite my presence here, I don't actually run Ubuntu full time - I just use it as a server in a virtual machine, and occasionally run some X11 apps. :P
[01:20] <zapzupnz> I'm more interested in helping the community in other ways.
[01:21] <cloudy_nz> it's surprising where Apple fanboys crop up
[01:21] <cloudy_nz> lol
[01:22] <cloudy_nz> I used to work for an Apple based company
[01:22] <cloudy_nz> back in ye days of OS10.4
[01:22] <zapzupnz> How come you call me a fanboy just because I own a Mac and prefer to run Mac OS X :(
[01:22] <cloudy_nz> lol
[01:22] <zapzupnz> I thank you not to assume my character
[01:22] <zapzupnz> That's rude on ANY level
[01:22] <cloudy_nz> & how many ipods, ipads, ibooks and iphones do you have?
[01:22] <cloudy_nz> hehe
[01:23] <zapzupnz> 1 x iMac, 1 x iPad. That's all.
[01:23] <cloudy_nz> lol
[01:23] <zapzupnz> No iBooks, because the Whitcoulls app is better.
[01:23] <cloudy_nz> there is nothing like being poor to make you a Linux fan
[01:23] <cloudy_nz> lol
[01:23] <zapzupnz> But that doesn't excuse you from making an assumption.
[01:24] <lifeless> I think he was teasing
[01:24] <lifeless> rather than assuming
[01:24] <cloudy_nz> who wouldn't like an Apple product if they could afford it?
[01:24] <zapzupnz> The thing about humour is that the audience needs to find it humourous, too.
[01:24]  * cloudy_nz definitely can't afford the Apple tax
[01:25] <zapzupnz> Oh well, nevermind.
[01:25] <lifeless> wrong side of the bed or something
[01:27] <cloudy_nz> lol
[01:27] <cloudy_nz> how's it going, lifeless ?
[01:36] <lifeless> well
[01:38]  * ojwb could afford apple products, but chooses not to buy them
[01:38] <ojwb> don't like the ultra-control apple seems to believe they should have over various things
[01:40] <cloudy_nz> yeah apple make great streamlined, integrated & pretty products but have a tyrannical philosophy
[01:40] <ojwb> on the outside
[01:40] <ojwb> underneath it's horrible in places
[01:40] <cloudy_nz> Steve Jobs is a design genius
[01:40] <ojwb> I've spent more time trying to sort out portability issues to OS X that any other POSIX platform
[01:41] <cloudy_nz> it's just a shame he's a diabolical autocrat
[01:41] <cloudy_nz> lol try python on a Mac
[01:41] <ojwb> even AIX wasn't as bad
[01:42] <cloudy_nz> AIX? is that one of those old platforms?
[01:42] <ojwb> IBM's
[01:42] <ojwb> not sure what its current status is
[01:43] <ojwb> but to give you a taste, all the files in /etc are renamed to more logical names, which is nice if you're AIX only, but insane if you need to support multiple unix flavours
[01:43] <ojwb> somewhere they
[01:43] <ojwb> blergh
[01:43] <ojwb> somewhere on the web there's a big table to translate all the names
[01:46] <ojwb> still seems to be alive - 7.1 was released sept 2010
[01:50]  * cloudy_nz looks in /etc because he can't remember what's in it
[01:51] <cloudy_nz> there is an IBM mainframe programmer job on Seek today, $90k!
[01:51] <cloudy_nz> I'd put up with a few stupid directories for that money, lol
[02:05] <cloudy_nz> WB zapzupnz
[02:05] <zapzupnz> ty
[02:05] <zapzupnz> Had to restart to finish the unbacking up
[02:13] <cloudy_nz> ah
[02:14] <cloudy_nz> running your own OS thingy will definitely make you a supernerd for the future
[02:15] <zapzupnz> My own OS thingy?
[02:22] <cloudy_nz> OSX?
[02:42] <zapzupnz> I didn't make it. :P
[02:42] <zapzupnz> So it can't be my own - though I'd like to be able to take credit for making an OS. >_>
[02:43] <zapzupnz> But I don't that day will come - I'm not motivated enough to finish projects that I start.
[02:56] <cloudy_nz> yes, you will have to rewrite the kernel of an OS yourself
[07:54]  * hads would rather pay the equivilent for Linux than buy a Mac
[09:52] <Hoggs> But linux is an OS
[09:52] <Hoggs> a Mac is hardware
[09:52] <Hoggs> :x
[09:52] <Hoggs> Just sayin'
[23:37] <hads> Yes I realise that.
[23:38] <hads> I stand by my comment.