[00:02] <nertilov> hummm
[00:02] <nertilov> no one answering
[00:09] <thesheff17> nertilov: I would install it on another ubuntu server....then copy everything in /var/cache/apt/archives/ to usb stick
[00:12] <hydrozii> how can i tell if my server has a local static IP?
[00:13] <thesheff17> hydrozii: ifconfig will tell you the current ip
[00:13] <nertil> mhm
[00:13] <nertil> why build-essential isnt loaded by default
[00:13] <thesheff17> nertil: why would it be?
[00:14] <thesheff17> nertil: almost everything is done through apt-get
[00:14] <nertil> yes but there are ppl that dont use internet
[00:14] <nertil> i use my ubuntu for make and cmake
[00:14] <nertil> gcc
[00:15] <thesheff17> nertil: yea alot of people do as well...also allot of people use the internet :-/
[00:15] <nertil> than were are my solutions
[00:15] <nertil> bah
[00:15] <nertil> some says build-essential is in the cdrom
[00:15] <nertil> but i cant find it
[00:17] <thesheff17> nertil: find /media/cdrom -name build-essential*
[00:18] <thesheff17> nertil: or where ever it is mounted
[00:18] <nertil> let me check
[00:18] <nertil> first need to mount the cdrom
[00:18] <nertil> with apt-cdrom add
[00:19] <nertil> but i think i fixed with bridge connections from windows xp to ubuntu eth0
[00:22] <thesheff17> nertil: why does your xp machine have internet but not your ubuntu machine
[00:23] <thesheff17> nertil: also you want to make sure you are running updates
[00:23] <thesheff17> nertil: which requires the internet
[00:23] <geekbri> anybody here good with nginx.  my config doesn't serve anything in /phpmyadmin/ to php-fpm and i was hoping somebody might know what i exploderated http://fpaste.org/r9n3/
[00:23] <geekbri> (i know i used fpaste but i am using ubuntu)
[00:23] <nertil> thesheff17 i just fixed with bridge connection an internet in ubuntu
[00:23] <nertil> but i will disable it later
[00:24] <nertil> i reinstalled box now im at configuring apt and its retriving some files
[00:24] <nertil> also looks like i will setup wlan0 for that box
[00:24] <nertil> just to be in internet
[00:25] <nertil> because its in my high level of my house
[00:25] <nertil> its in floor 4
[00:30] <nertil> what for is python2.6
[00:54] <hallyn> kim0: kirkland: good news is I locally have spice client, libs, and qemu with spice working.  I'll push them all to my ppa once the build problems (whatever they are) are over
[00:54] <hallyn> kim0: kirkland: the bad news, my natty server image wouldn't boot for the same reason as -vga std.  RHEL booted fine.
[00:55]  * hallyn out
[00:57] <kirkland> hallyn: \o/
[00:57] <kirkland> hallyn: well, i guess we've reproduced that problem, then
[01:01] <Mark_> anyone have any pointers on installing server on md raid 1
[01:01] <Mark_> ive done several installs and they all have failed
[01:01] <Mark_> cant even get mobo raid to work
[01:02] <Mark_> hello there :)
[01:02] <Mark_> does this mean you will help me, willwork?
[01:02] <willwork4foo> Mark_, actually I'm here looking for some help
[01:02] <Mark_> oh :(
[01:03] <Mark_> can anyone help me with getting mdraid to work?  I followed the instructions online and have dropped to a grub prompt at reboot'
[01:03] <Mark_> and im running out of time :(
[01:04] <RoyK> if anyone is tempted to build a ZFS storage system, just keep in mind not to fill up the VDEVs with > 80-90% - it might take some time fixing that unless you can delete a few terabytes
[01:04] <Mark_> or can anyone tell me if i can just do the automated lvm install, and add raid later?
[01:04] <RoyK> Mark_: I don't think you can
[01:04] <Mark_> would it be easier to just do ubuntu desktop with mdraid?
[01:04] <Mark_> i am desperate to get ubuntu of some form onto a raided setup in the next hour
[01:05] <RoyK> Mark_: for most desktops, redundancy won't be much needed so long as the data is on server
[01:05] <Mark_> its for a backup server running crashplan
[01:05] <RoyK> use nfs and a good server and the homedirs will be safe, the rest is easy to reinstall
[01:05] <Mark_> i am desperate because our tape backup solution just went south and we need our CVS backed up asap
[01:05] <Mark_> and i head out of state in 12 hours
[01:06] <Mark_> perfect storm lol
[01:06] <RoyK> try bacula
[01:06] <RoyK> bacula can easily backup to disk
[01:06] <Mark_> its to be offsite, but regardless i need mdraid on this setup
[01:06] <RoyK> and it works well
[01:06] <Mark_> we're going to be using crashplan FWIW
[01:06] <Mark_> regardless, we want raid
[01:06]  * RoyK uses bacula on ZFS storage
[01:07] <RoyK> normal RAID systems don't checksum data
[01:07] <RoyK> which is quite bad if you have a lot of it
[01:07] <Mark_> crashplan does
[01:07] <Mark_> all thats taken care of
[01:07] <Mark_> i just need mdraid
[01:07] <RoyK> ok
[01:07] <highvoltage> /wi/win last
[01:08] <Mark_> any thooughts on what im doing wrong?
[01:08] <Mark_> i tried mobo raid, and first issue was all sorts of "cannot find UUID" crap
[01:08] <RoyK> never used crashplan, sorry
[01:08] <Mark_> i mean with ubuntus raid
[01:08] <Mark_> the entire issue is i cannot get ubuntu installed with raid
[01:08] <Mark_> either mobo or mdraid
[01:08] <Mark_> thats all i need to do
[01:08] <RoyK> mobo raid is usually quite useless
[01:09] <Mark_> its better than no raid
[01:09] <RoyK> 99% of those so-called raid controllers don't really have hardware raid, only accellerators at best
[01:09] <Mark_> as long as data is mirrored thats all we care about
[01:10] <RoyK> md raid for ubuntu has worked for me on the boxes where I've used it
[01:10] <Mark_> the extent of my task from the folks who care is that we need 2 drives in this thing with replicas of the important bits
[01:10] <Mark_> so when im doing the install...do i do lvm?
[01:10] <RoyK> just setup the partitions, mirrors, etc, install, reboot
[01:10] <Mark_> let me get to that point so i can ask you about the partitioning
[01:11] <Mark_> cause its doing something wierd
[01:11] <Mark_> with reserved bios partitions and whatnot
[01:11] <RoyK> I haven't used LVM for mirroring yet - just MD
[01:11] <RoyK> no problems so far
[01:11] <Mark_> oh, can i do that direct from the install disk?
[01:11] <RoyK> yes, you can
[01:11] <RoyK> both
[01:11] <Mark_> so start the normal textmode install, and get to partitioning screen, yes?
[01:12] <RoyK> yes, and then choose setup raid
[01:12] <Mark_> getting there
[01:12] <RoyK> create partitions for the MD devices, create a RAID1, put a filesystem there ......
[01:12] <Mark_> i didnt see raid, but ill double check
[01:13] <RoyK> 10.04?
[01:13] <Mark_> only w10.10.
[01:13] <RoyK> well, same thing
[01:13] <RoyK> first, create RAID partitions, same size on both drives
[01:13] <RoyK> then choose setup RAID
[01:14] <limecat> back
[01:14] <limecat> its mark
[01:14] <limecat> had to use net cable on the box, im @ partitioning now.
[01:14] <ksoviero> Does anyone know of an easy way to detect NAT on a school network?
[01:14] <limecat> i see several guided options, and manual, but no raid option
[01:15] <AtomicSpark> On the topic of bridging, can a bridged device use dhcp? The examples only show static. Would be nice to keep using "static" dhcp to manage all my statics from one device.
[01:15] <limecat> guided with resize disks a and b, guided with entire partition disks a and b, entire disk, lvm, and manual
[01:15] <limecat> which do i want royk
[01:15] <AtomicSpark> ksoviero: I don't know what you mean by detect. All ipv4 networks usually are NATed.
[01:16] <AtomicSpark> ksoviero: Your school probably has a 10. address scheme for their internal network.
[01:16] <ksoviero> AtomicSpark: if someone on the network sets up their own router, I would like to know about it...
[01:16] <RoyK> limecat: just go manual, create separate md partitions for each filesystem, go back, choose configure raid, go back, create filesystems.....
[01:17] <AtomicSpark> ksoviero: So you want to see if someone put a router on your LAN or do you want to make sure someone isn't MITMing you?
[01:17] <limecat> royk-- do i need a /boot thats outside the md partition?
[01:18] <limecat> or do i do the entire disk as md
[01:18] <ksoviero> AtomicSpark: I want to make sure kids aren't playing LAN games without my knowledge
[01:18] <AtomicSpark> ksoviero: A router would look like any other device from the outside. There isn't really a good way of detecting it.
[01:18] <RoyK> limecat: I'm not sure, but I always create a 1GB or less mirror for the /boot
[01:18] <limecat> does anyone know whether i need to have /boot outside of my mdraid?
[01:19] <limecat> wait you have a separate mirror for /boot?
[01:19] <RoyK> limecat: you can easily boot off a raid1
[01:19] <limecat> ah ok
[01:19] <RoyK> I usually do, yes
[01:19] <RoyK> no idea if it's necessary, but imho it makes sense to separate /boot from the root
[01:19] <limecat> so it will probably work with a single 2tb md volume
[01:19] <AtomicSpark> ksoviero: They would have to replace your router to get around any parental controls. If your router blocks certain outgoing ports, placing a router on your LAN wont fix this.
[01:19] <limecat> ah ok ill do that
[01:20] <ksoviero> AtomicSpark: If they setup their own router, that can then play lan games, and I won't be able to know...  that it the problem
[01:20] <RoyK> limecat: with 2TB total, separating 1GB for the boot will be both overkill and quite cheap :P
[01:20] <limecat> my real desire is to have a separate partition for all the data
[01:20] <limecat> but at this point
[01:20] <limecat> i dont care anymore and just want the thing to work
[01:21] <ksoviero> AtomicSpark: would the packets sent from a nated device include anything?  192.168.1.34 == 10.etc
[01:21] <AtomicSpark> ksoviero: They could also just use a switch. None of the packets would go to your router if it's just a LAN games.
[01:21] <RoyK> limecat: well, create a 10GB partition (that is, a mirror) for the root - or 100GB if you're nervous - and it'll suffice
[01:21] <RoyK> then use the rest for your /data mirror
[01:22] <limecat> royk-- not taking chances
[01:22] <ksoviero> AtomicSpark: alot of lan games use broadcast addresses to talk, so i can detect it, but broadcast addresses dont leave a nat device
[01:22] <limecat> its not really vital, this will probably be a temporary measure-- the hardware is all commodity
[01:22] <AtomicSpark> ksoviero: Hmm.
[01:22] <RoyK> limecat: best thing would be to use md for the /boot and lvm for the rest
[01:22] <limecat> so i mirror sda1 and sdb1, NOT sda and sdb, correct?
[01:22] <RoyK> start off with as little as possible
[01:22] <limecat> the partitions, not the devices
[01:23] <RoyK> limecat: sda and sdb would mean all of it, so yes, use partitions
[01:23] <limecat> ext4 still scary for production?
[01:23] <AtomicSpark> limecat: No.
[01:24] <ksoviero> AtomicSpark: would the packets sent from a nated device include anything? 192.168.1.34 == 10.0.0.?
[01:24] <AtomicSpark> ksoviero: I don't think so.
[01:24] <AtomicSpark> ksoviero: Everything should seem as it was just coming from the router.
[01:24] <RoyK> limecat: no, it's quite stable
[01:26] <AtomicSpark> limecat: Ext4 wasn't really ever "scary". There was a bunch of fear mongering over the change when data was actually written to the disk, but those changes were also implemented in ext3.
[01:26] <ksoviero> AtomicSpark: thanks anyway for your help, I guess I will stick with the old standby...  Physical searches
[01:27] <limecat> AtomicSpark, it was scary in that badly written apps caused bad things to happen AFAIK.  Wanted to make sure that was unlikely to still be a common occurance
[01:28] <limecat> so i have 2 raid devices, md0 and md1, with boot and root
[01:28] <limecat> this is a workable config yes?
[01:29] <AtomicSpark> Are you asking if you only need a root partition?
[01:30] <Norkakn> I just asked in #ubuntu, but I'm guessing you guys would be more likely to know anyways - how can I get nc.traditional on the live cd (10.04 x64)?
[01:31] <crohakon> Anyone here ever used an ASMB4-iKVM management board?
[01:31] <AtomicSpark> Hmm. I'm scared to see if iface br0 inet dhcp \n bridge_ports eth0 is all I need to bridge eth0 while keeping dhcp. :\
[01:32] <AtomicSpark> limecat: You'll be fine. Just don't try btrfs yet ;)
[01:35] <RoyK> limecat: as AS said, it'll work - using btrfs might be interesting, but then, interesting may not be entirely positive :P
[01:36] <limecat> interesting right now is having a backup system and leaving for my trip on time :)
[01:37] <limecat> why are computers so complicated
[01:38] <AtomicSpark> Okay, I didn't lock myself out of my server. Using dhcp with bridging works! :)
[01:40] <RoyK> limecat: computers aren't complicated, it's like women, you just need to know which buttons to press :P
[01:40] <limecat>  lol
[01:41] <limecat> http://xkcd.com/722/ <--- my day
[01:42] <RoyK> :)
[01:42]  * RoyK has got the xkcd paper version :)
[01:42] <AtomicSpark> limecat: I like the troubleshooting flowchart better :)
[01:42] <RoyK> just had to buy it
[01:42] <AtomicSpark> http://xkcd.com/627/
[01:42] <RoyK> cartoons are best on paper
[01:43] <limecat> oh noes they spilled the secret of how i do my job
[01:43] <AtomicSpark> Okay, I'm sure I'll be back later to complain/get help with the current progress of my server reinstall.
[01:44] <RoyK> http://xkcd.org/859/
[01:44] <RoyK> and of course http://xkcd.org/844/
[01:44] <limecat> yea, 859 didnt do it for me
[01:45] <limecat> didnt really bug me that bad; i only tool scheme during one compsci class
[01:46] <RoyK> the paper version of xkcd is neat, though
[01:46] <limecat> how do you hover for text?
[01:46] <RoyK> page numbers in trinary...
[01:46] <limecat> with your index finger?
[01:46]  * RoyK likes books
[01:46] <limecat> ack need network cable again brb
[01:47] <RoyK> wireless TP cable?
[01:47] <RoyK> Twisted Potential
[01:48] <limecat> so i know nothing about solaris or sunos...how do you fetch urls with it?  neither curl nor fetch works, and i dont have a gui
[01:48] <RoyK> wget
[01:48] <RoyK> it should be under /usr/sfw/bin
[01:48] <RoyK> probably not in path
[01:49] <limecat> ah i forgot about that
[01:49]  * RoyK is off to bed - nite for now
[01:50] <limecat> thx for your help
[01:51] <nertil> wich php should i use with apache2 is php5 ok ?
[01:52] <highvoltage> nertil: yes, it's the only one supported in ubuntu currently and the older ones you should definitely avoid at all means
[01:52] <nertil> okey
[01:56] <Mark_> ack "executing grub-install /dev/sda failed"
[01:56] <Mark_> halp
[01:58] <nertil> what ftp i need to install
[01:58] <nertil> ftpd?
[01:58] <RoyK> vsftpd is quite good
[01:58] <nertil> just installed proftpd
[01:59] <nertil> will it be ok?
[01:59] <RoyK> afaik the most used ftp server on the planet
[01:59] <RoyK> proftpd is good as well
[01:59] <nertil> okey
[01:59] <RoyK> just use what you like
[02:00] <Mark_> disk /dev/md1 doesnt contain a valid partition table ugh
[02:00] <Mark_> oh nvm
[02:02] <Mark_> im going to go crazy why wont grub install now
[02:04] <Norkakn> Mark_, you have physical access to the machine, right?
[02:04] <Mark_> im sitting at it
[02:04] <Mark_> it has gpt on the drives, and 2 md raid devices
[02:05] <Mark_> md0 (boot) and md1 (root)
[02:05] <nertil> how can i fix phpsysinfo ?
[02:05] <Norkakn> Mark_, okay, just checking if I needed to have any empathy for you :)
[02:05] <Mark_> and i havent been able to get it to install with raid all night
[02:05] <nertil> i just downloaded
[02:05] <Mark_> you do
[02:05] <Mark_> im about to tear my hair out
[02:06] <Norkakn> Mark_, I'm trying to repair a server that got dropped on moves between offices that won't boot.  the NAT it is behind is a POS, so I'm doing it with nc
[02:06] <Mark_> ah
[02:06] <Mark_> well
[02:06] <Mark_> i have a plane to catch in 11 hours, and need this server up before then, and have a ton of other work to do
[02:07] <Mark_> but really, at this point, its mostly just my hatred of this box thats upsetting
[02:07]  * RoyK is available for onlt $250 an hour
[02:07] <RoyK> s/onlt/only/
[02:08] <Mark_> i thought you were asleep >_>
[02:08] <Mark_> im about to just say to heck with raid
[02:08] <RoyK> not yet :þ
[02:09] <Norkakn> can you just RAID it in BIOS?
[02:09] <RoyK> btw, setting up software raid on a server is usually quite trivial
[02:09] <RoyK> Norkakn: either hardware raid or software raid
[02:09] <Mark_> ./grub: permission denied     sudo !!: sudo not found
[02:09] <Mark_> i hate computers
[02:10] <Mark_> im at a root prompt
[02:10] <RoyK> hardware raid for good controllers like 3ware, areca, HP, whatever, but most mobos have so-called raid controllers that rely on drivers
[02:10] <Mark_> so why would i get permission denied after chmod 777 on /target/boot/grub
[02:11] <nertil> chown username
[02:11] <RoyK> wtf would you want to chmod 777 /target/boot/grub???
[02:11] <Mark_> its owned by root, and im at a root prompt
[02:12] <Mark_> RoyK, shotgun approach :\
[02:12] <RoyK> Mark_: being promiscuous?
[02:12] <Mark_> if i cant figure this out in about 15 minutes, the installs getting wiped and im skipping raid
[02:12] <Mark_> so at this point anything goes
[02:12] <RoyK> Mark_: try 10.04
[02:12] <RoyK> it's meant to be stable, for servers
[02:13] <RoyK> 10.10 is more of a toy compared to LTS releases
[02:13] <nertil> yes 10.04.2
[02:13] <Mark_> RoyK, that takes more downloading
[02:13] <nertil> lol
[02:13] <Mark_> time is quite short
[02:13] <RoyK> Mark_: whatever
[02:13] <RoyK> Mark_: next time, use an LTS release for the server
[02:13] <Mark_> yea, i plan to
[02:14] <nertil> 8.04
[02:14] <nertil> or 10.04
[02:14] <Mark_> 9.04 imo
[02:14] <RoyK> 9.04 != LTS
[02:14] <nertil> 9.04 is not lts
[02:14] <RoyK> 9.04 isn't even supported anymore
[02:14] <RoyK> only 18 months support for non-LTS releases
[02:15] <nertil> till when is supported 10.04
[02:15] <nertil>  ?
[02:15] <RoyK> 15.04
[02:15] <nertil> this year?
[02:15] <RoyK> april 2015
[02:15] <nertil> ah ok
[02:16] <nertil> its 8.04 supported yet?
[02:16] <RoyK> 5 years support for LTS server installs
[02:16] <RoyK> nertil: yes, until april 2013
[02:16] <nertil> wihi ok
[02:16] <Mark_> ughhh
[02:17] <RoyK> 5 years support for LTS server releases, 3 years for LTS desktop releases, 18 months for non-LTS releases
[02:17] <nertil> phpsysinfo is good for servers
[02:17] <nertil> :P
[02:18] <RoyK> or just lshw :P
[02:18] <nertil> lshw?
[02:18] <Mark_> what the heck is stopping me from installing grub
[02:18] <RoyK> apt-get install .....
[02:18] <nertil> apt-get install lshw ?
[02:18]  * RoyK goes back to plan A - bed!
[02:18] <RoyK> nertil: try that
[02:19] <nertil> okey but
[02:19] <nertil> let me read more about that
[02:19] <nertil> what for is lshw RoyK
[02:19] <nertil> were can i read more?
[02:19] <RoyK> nertil: list hardware
[02:19] <RoyK> it just lists whatever's in your box
[02:20] <RoyK> but now - nite
[02:20] <nertil> ohh ok
[02:20] <nertil> i thought its something with web support like phpsysinfo
[02:21] <jmarsden> nertil: Why do you need a tool to examine your hardware to do so over HTTP??
[02:22] <jmarsden> if you really need it, lshw has a -html switch that will output what it sees as HTML, so you can do  sudo lshw .... -html >somefile.html
[02:23] <jmarsden> and stick that somefile.html where your web server can see it... but... why?  Just read the output in your ssh session :)
[02:23] <nertil> hehe yes
[02:23] <nertil> i know but its kinda fun
[02:23] <nertil> :)
[02:23]  * jmarsden thinks you have an odd definition of fun...
[02:24] <Norkakn> if I don't remember the block size and such for an md array, is there a way to redetect it and add it still?
[02:24] <limecat> ugh found the issue
[02:24] <limecat> gpt partition has no bios boot partition....
[03:02] <s2555> hi
[03:02] <s2555> how do i set up a wireless network to connect to?
[03:04] <s2555> Can someone please help me? I really dont understand wireless networking from the terminal window
[03:06] <hallyn> s2555: meaning you want to set up an ad-hoc wireless network to share your wired network, from cmdline?
[03:07] <s2555> no
[03:07] <s2555> i want the server to connect to a wireless network
[03:07] <nertil> do u want ur ubuntu server to connect with wlan0 ?
[03:07] <s2555> yes
[03:07] <nertil> let me find some guide
[03:07] <nertil> :)
[03:07] <s2555> thanks :)
[03:07] <s2555> i am just using this on my server because the desktop wasted too much ram
[03:07] <s2555> so yeah
[03:07] <s2555> i dun like blackscreens though
[03:08] <nertil> i use wlan0 too
[03:08] <s2555> :)
[03:08] <nertil> http://pastebin.com/fTusXU97
[03:08] <s2555> I couls just waste $30 and get a router to use as a net adapter
[03:08] <s2555> thank you
[03:08] <nertil> read
[03:08] <nertil> it needs some tips/tricks
[03:08] <nertil> :P
[03:09] <s2555> also
[03:09] <s2555> thats gonna be so like
[03:09] <s2555> it connects on startup too right?
[03:09] <nertil> yes
[03:09] <nertil> read that guide
[03:09] <s2555> ok
[03:09] <s2555> thank you
[03:09] <nertil> follow steps
[03:09] <nertil> no problem
[03:10] <s2555> but how can i do an apt-get install nano if i dont have an ie connection
[03:10] <s2555> or is that already installed?
[03:10] <nertil> just use pico
[03:11] <s2555> ok
[03:11] <nertil> instead of nano
[03:11] <nertil> but u need build-essential
[03:11] <s2555> how do i find the model of the adapter?
[03:11] <nertil> ahgrrr
[03:11] <nertil> :)
[03:11] <s2555> lol
[03:11] <s2555> i have NO terminal knowledge whatsoever
[03:12] <s2555> oh yeah, expect to see me around a lot ;)
[03:12] <nertil> well read the guide it says you need windows .inf driver of ur adapter
[03:12] <nertil> i told u u need some tips/tricks to install wlan0 on ubuntu server
[03:12] <s2555> how am i supposed to put it on the server?
[03:12] <nertil> with usb stick
[03:12] <s2555> ah
[03:12] <nertil> :)
[03:12] <s2555> and those steps are there too?
[03:13] <nertil> no that steps arent
[03:13] <nertil> u need to have little experience
[03:13] <s2555> well, you can teach me
[03:13] <nertil> its not just plug and play at all
[03:13] <s2555> LOL
[03:13] <nertil> no i can help you :)
[03:13] <s2555> :)
[03:13] <s2555> this channel is very convenient
[03:13] <nertil> u first need internet to setup build-essential
[03:13] <s2555> ok
[03:13] <s2555> how do i do that?
[03:13] <s2555> its not connected to internet
[03:13] <nertil> without build-essential you can not make the ndiswraper
[03:13] <nertil> conect it
[03:14] <nertil> :D
[03:14] <s2555> errr
[03:14] <s2555> can i just get the tarball off a site
[03:14] <s2555> and then just put it on a usb a
[03:14] <nertil> no
[03:14] <s2555> :O
[03:14] <s2555> why not?
[03:14] <s2555> i cant get an internet connection
[03:14] <nertil> its on internet
[03:14] <nertil> than stand off
[03:15] <s2555> how about this - i can get the tarball off some site, and then copy and paste it to the server
[03:15] <s2555> and then untar it there
[03:15] <nertil> no
[03:15] <nertil> u cant find build-essential
[03:15] <s2555> why wont that work?
[03:15] <nertil> its not in the server cd too
[03:15] <nertil> i tryed that u say
[03:16] <nertil> but u can do this if u have laptop you can bridge your connection and give connection to ur ubuntu till u download some important stuffs
[03:16] <s2555> OK
[03:16] <s2555> how do i do that?
[03:16] <s2555> waity
[03:16] <s2555> can i just get an old router
[03:16] <s2555> and use it to bridge the connection?
[03:16] <nertil> well my friend i told you enough just google about bridge connections you will learn more, its not the point to teach you, point is to point you somewere so youll teach ur self alone
[03:17] <s2555> one more question
[03:17] <s2555> its called build essential right?
[03:17] <s2555> build-essential?
[03:17] <nertil> build-essential
[03:17] <nertil> there is gcc libc6 make
[03:17] <s2555> build-ESSENTIAL
[03:17] <s2555> ergo, it should be put into the cd
[03:18] <nertil> u cant find it trust me
[03:18] <nertil> :)
[03:18] <s2555> lol
[03:18] <s2555> ill just use my router as a bridge
[03:18] <nertil> than yes
[03:18] <nertil> use it
[03:19] <s2555> ok
[03:19] <nertil> if u use ur router ull have internet connection on ur ubuntu
[03:19] <s2555> `ook
[03:19] <nertil> with internet connection we can setup wlan0
[03:19] <nertil> than remove the cable :P
[03:20] <s2555> lol
[03:20] <s2555> will the connection be faster with the router or with my adapter
[03:20] <nertil> i think its same
[03:20] <s2555> hmm
[03:20] <s2555> ill just stick to the router
[03:20] <s2555> that way... i can just connect to the router
[03:21] <nertil> okey
[03:21] <s2555> connection via lan port is automatic, right?
[03:26] <nertil> why u ping?
[03:26] <s2555> just checking if the connection was alive
[03:26] <s2555> anyhow, if i use the router as a bridge, will i have to forward ports on the router-bridge for them to be avaliable locally\
[03:26] <s2555> ?
[03:27] <s2555> PING
[03:27] <s2555> PING
[03:28] <nertil> no
[03:28] <s2555> alright
[03:28] <s2555> thank you
[03:28] <s2555> and will the configuration be automatic for the bridging?
[03:28] <s2555> other than the configs that have to be made on the router?
[03:29] <nertil> yes
[03:29] <s2555> ok )
[03:29] <s2555> im happy with that
[03:31] <nertil> what for u use ur ubuntu server box?
[03:31] <s2555> bnc
[03:32] <nertil> looooooool
[03:32] <s2555> and torrent server
[03:32] <nertil> damn
[03:32] <s2555> and ftp server
[03:32] <nertil> ok
[03:32] <s2555> and basically anything that i can find to doo
[03:32] <nertil> ipv6?
[03:32] <s2555> locally
[03:32] <s2555> ipv4
[03:34] <s2555> brb
[03:37] <hhhzzzarn> Need help with x2go: "unable to execute: nosnd" What is nosnd? Anyone use x2go?
[03:37] <nertil> u did google?
[03:37] <hhhzzzarn> yes.
[03:37] <nertil> okey
[03:37] <nertil> sorry i have experience with your problem
[03:38] <hhhzzzarn> have not, you mean.
[03:38] <nertil> have not sorry
[03:38] <nertil> damn
[03:39] <IceGuest_77> do i have to restart for thhe connection to woirk?
[03:40]  * s2258 pokes nertil
[03:40] <[biabia]> is there a way to get the FreeBSD beastie screensaver on ubuntu server terminal
[03:41] <s2258> idk
[03:42] <nertil> yes s2258
[03:42] <s2258> ok :D
[03:44] <s2258> how do i run openssh?
[03:44] <nertil> sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[03:44] <nertil> its runed by default
[03:45] <s2258> its already installed
[03:45] <nertil> than its runed
[03:45] <s2258> i dont have an internet connection then
[03:45] <nertil> try with putty
[03:45] <s2258> i did
[03:45] <nertil> ur localhost 192.168.xxx.xxx port 22
[03:46] <nertil> pastebin what ifconfig -a says
[03:46] <s2258> ok, well im confused
[03:46] <s2258> if the bridge's IP is *.*.*.2
[03:46] <s2258> and the router's is *.*.*.1
[03:46] <nertil> ubuntus should be 3
[03:46] <nertil> :)
[03:46] <s2258> really?
[03:46] <nertil> yes
[03:47] <s2258> but i set the IP of the bridge manually
[03:47] <nertil> nevermind
[03:47] <s2258> how do i get the bridge a static IP
[03:47] <s2258> how do i get the bridge a static IP
[03:47] <s2258> ??
[03:47] <nertil> dont know
[03:47] <s2258> command?
[03:47] <nertil> i used dhcp
[03:50] <s2258> ok i found the problem
[03:50] <s2258> the server isnt connecting to the bridge
[03:50] <s2258> even through an ethernet cable
[03:50] <s2258> imma reinstall
[03:50] <nertil> ok
[03:51] <s2258> is there a way to uninstall all the desktop crap from ubuntu desktop?
[03:51] <nertil> format /
[03:51] <s2258> just the desktop
[03:51] <s2258> not the whole dick
[03:51] <s2258> disk*
[03:51] <nertil> format ~/
[03:51] <s2258> lol
[03:51] <nertil> :)
[03:51] <s2258> NOOOOOOOOOOO
[03:52] <nertil> format /////////////////
[03:52] <s2258> like just the graphicallllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
[03:52] <s2258> stuff
[03:52] <nertil> dude u should try #ubuntu
[03:52] <nertil> this is for server
[03:52] <s2258> just listen for a sec
[03:52] <nertil> no desktop support here
[03:52] <s2258> waitt
[03:52] <nertil> well i can read not listen
[03:52] <s2258> -_-
[03:53] <s2258> then read
[03:53] <nertil> ok
[03:53] <s2258> for like a min
[03:53] <s2258> ok
[03:53] <s2258> well you know how the desktop has all that graphical crap?
[03:53] <nertil> no i have server
[03:53] <s2258> again, read
[03:53] <s2258> it has all that graphical stuff right
[03:54] <s2258> so
[03:54] <s2258> is there a way that i can take that off?
[03:54] <nertil> dude why u troll
[03:54] <s2258> because
[03:54] <s2258> look at my solution
[03:54] <nertil> ok
[03:54] <nertil> wait i found
[03:54] <s2258> yeah?
[03:55] <nertil> yeah im giving the link
[03:55] <s2258> ok :d
[03:56] <nertil> http://tinyurl.com/5vsp6ne
[03:56] <s2258> wait
[03:56] <s2258> -_-
[03:58] <s2258> i think i got it, actually
[03:58] <hhhzzzarn> Help: Trying to connect to x2go server using client: http://paste.ubuntu.com/572461/
[03:59] <hhhzzzarn> Did i give too much info?
[03:59] <hhhzzzarn> my ip?
[03:59] <s2258> lol, nertil is probably like if that dumb guy doesnt leave, i will kill him
[03:59] <s2258> hhhzzzarn: never give out yer IP
[03:59] <s2258> btw, by dumb guy, i meant me
[03:59] <nertil> i think ur nutz
[04:00] <hhhzzzarn> Help: Trying to connect to x2go server using client: http://paste.ubuntu.com/572462/
[04:01] <hhhzzzarn> This should be easy but I am new.
[04:07] <hhhzzzarn> Anyone? please it is ssh rsa key problem.
[04:09] <pmatulis> hhhzzzarn: it's a security warning
[04:10] <greppy> hhhzzzarn: you can get rid of the warning by deleting the offending key, but if the remote site has been compromised, you could be giving away your password.
[04:13] <lifeless> SpamapS: I don't suppose pycassa and pythrift have been packaged ?
[04:18] <hhhzzzarn> greppy: i am trying to connect using x2goclient to my vps.
[04:18] <hhhzzzarn> greppy: i am connect to the vps with ssh.
[04:19] <hhhzzzarn> greppy: what can i do? i do not have ".ssh" folder at that location or at /root/
[04:19] <greppy> hhhzzzarn: so, delete the offending key out of .ssh/known_hosts
[04:20] <greppy> the error is on your client.
[04:20] <hhhzzzarn> i do not have that folder
[04:20] <greppy> not the remote site
[04:20] <hhhzzzarn> oh
[04:20] <hhhzzzarn> ok
[04:24] <hhhzzzarn> greppy: removed it, trying again. waiting...
[04:30] <hhhzzzarn> Thank you greppy. Do you know what "nosnd" is?
[04:34] <hhhzzzarn> bye
[04:49] <[biabia]> does anyone know how to put the FreeBSD beastie screensaver on ubuntu server terminal?
[04:57] <airtonix> greppy: i hate drupal now
[04:58] <overrider> Do i need to do anything special to /dev/sdb,c,d,e using parted or fdisk before i add them to a raid5/6 using mdadm? Like create one large partition or leave 1MB free in the beginning of the disk or sth like that?
[04:59] <Patrickdk> you don't have too, but you probably should
[05:00] <overrider> Patrickdk: i guess if i add partitions together, such as sda1 and sda2, but also when i simply add the drives together by their device names?
[05:00] <Patrickdk> sure
[05:01] <Patrickdk> the issue I have run into is, some programs like to put a mpt into a drive, if it doesn't have one
[05:01] <Patrickdk> not caring if you wanted it to or not
[05:01] <greppy> airtonix: ummm ok.
[05:17] <Jasonn> hi
[05:17] <Jasonn> what programs can i install on my server? Like what useful things can i put on my server that would be useful?
[05:18] <nertil> apache2
[05:18] <nertil> php5
[05:18] <nertil> proftpd
[05:18] <Jasonn> already have ftp
[05:18] <Jasonn> apache/php have no use to me
[05:19] <Jasonn> anything else that i can find useful?
[05:19] <Jasonn> for like a local connection?
[05:19] <Jasonn> more for networking
[05:19] <nertil> ipv6
[05:19] <Jasonn> what is that?
[05:19] <nertil> join #ipv6
[05:19] <nertil> 2001:5c0:1400:b::92f5
[05:19] <nertil> host like this are ipv6
[05:20] <Jasonn> hmm
[05:20] <Jasonn> and that hides my IP?
[05:20] <nertil> yep
[05:20] <nertil> :)
[05:20] <Jasonn> can i do it without the ISP granting me any control over my DNS?
[05:20] <nertil> type
[05:20] <nertil> sudo apt-get install gw6c
[05:21] <nertil> and try to join server irc.ipv6.freenode.net
[05:21] <Jasonn> can i do it without the ISP granting me any control over my DNS?
[05:21] <nertil> yes
[05:21] <Jasonn> how does it work?
[05:21] <Jasonn> like you tunnel the connection through some server?
[05:21] <nertil> yep
[05:21] <nertil> ipv6 tunel
[05:21] <Jasonn> and my server is the tunnel?
[05:22] <nertil> yes
[05:22] <nertil> tunel to connect with that ipv6 ip
[05:22] <Jasonn> ah
[05:22] <nertil> join #Ipv6
[05:22] <nertil> ull learn more
[05:22] <nertil> freenode supports ipv6
[05:22] <nertil> so its nice to play with
[05:22] <Jasonn> :)
[05:23] <Jasonn> ill do that
[05:54] <here4thegear> I have ubuntu server on a VPS was thinking of setting up a tor server on it so that people can hide behind it... would that work okay?
[06:06] <SpamapS> here4thegear: yes that will work.
[06:06] <SpamapS> lifeless: lol.. no no pycassa or pythrift. If you guys want those.. I'd be thrilled to package them tho
[06:08] <lifeless> SpamapS: rmcbride had done them
[06:08] <lifeless> SpamapS: I've tweaked the thrift one
[06:08] <lifeless> SpamapS: both are now in ppa:launchpad
[06:08] <lifeless> SpamapS: I've no immediate plans to put them into ubuntu or debian - I haven't audited the packaging for sanity, for instance
[06:09] <here4thegear> thanks SpamapS:
[06:10] <SpamapS> lifeless: nice
[06:11] <lifeless> SpamapS: if you want to grab them, give it a once over and push into ubuntu and/or debian
[06:11] <lifeless> I'm sure rmcbride would be thrilled.
[06:11] <lifeless> I would be.
[06:11] <SpamapS> lifeless: thrift may be tricky in that respect
[06:11] <lifeless> given the existing, stuck, ITP ?
[06:11] <SpamapS> lifeless: I think its about time thrift landed in debian and ubuntu tho..
[06:11] <SpamapS> lifeless: yeah..
[06:12] <SpamapS> lifeless: we should have enough clout to unstick that ITP
[06:12] <lifeless> yeah, I saw. JFDI :>
[06:12]  * SpamapS is reminded of his mod_pagespeed ITP which needs some love :-P
[06:14] <SpamapS> lifeless: well I must leave you now.. I'm about to embark on a very lifeless-like journey.. 27 hours from now I will be at my destination. :-P
[06:15] <lifeless> SpamapS: good luck
[06:15] <SpamapS> lifeless: any tips?
[06:15] <lifeless> flying ?
[06:15] <SpamapS> lifeless: I have a 15 hour segment...
[06:15] <SpamapS> yes
[06:15] <lifeless> capetown ?
[06:15] <SpamapS> indeed
[06:15] <lifeless> heh :)
[06:16] <lifeless> so, get either an aisle or window seat, don't be middle of row under any circumstances
[06:16] <SpamapS> very exciting
[06:16] <lifeless> if you can't sleep, just pretend.
[06:16] <SpamapS> i'm properly liquored up. .. and have an aisle seat. :)
[06:16] <lifeless> aisle lets you put one leg in the well, aisle.
[06:16] <SpamapS> and I've got reading material, snacks, and a 1 hour hacking project. :)
[06:16] <lifeless> get a neck pillow, I found the one I bought really helps rest
[06:17] <lifeless> and if you don't have good noise cancelling headphones, buy a travel rated pair
[06:17] <SpamapS> damn, left my kneck pillow at home.. doh
[06:17] <lifeless> they cut out the jet noise so much
[06:17] <lifeless> I have an inflatable one
[06:17] <SpamapS> Hmm I might grab a set in NY
[06:17] <SpamapS> ok.. well they're announcing boarding. TTYL and ty!
[06:17] <lifeless> got it at random airport store
[06:17] <lifeless> TTYL
[06:26] <K4k> Is there anyway, if I have my server setup with ServerAlias home.website.com to access that from the same network as the server is on?
[06:37] <phyfus> can you run DRDB on EC2 using Lucid?
[06:40] <phyfus> I tried to install drbd8-utils but got the error message "Module build for the currently running kernel was skipped since the kernel source for this kernel does not seem to be installed."
[06:41] <phyfus> can you run DRBD on EC2 using Lucid?
[06:43] <MadHaTTer_777> hey ppl
[06:43] <MadHaTTer_777> anyone here?
[06:44] <MadHaTTer_777> im getting this error on trying to install a .tgz
[06:44] <MadHaTTer_777> gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data--format violated
[06:44] <MadHaTTer_777> tar: Unexpected EOF in archive
[06:44] <MadHaTTer_777> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
[06:44] <MadHaTTer_777> anyone know what im screwing up today?
[06:47] <MadHaTTer_777> anyone?
[07:03] <MadHaTTer_777> nm i fixed it
[07:04] <MadHaTTer_777> just a corrupt dl
[08:02] <MadHaTTer_777> hello eric
[08:31] <chrislabeard> What is a good encoder for PPC. I tried to install ffmpeg but it failed to install.
[08:34] <danielck> any idea what could be going wrong here - after adding $cfg['ForceSSL'] = true; to /etc/phpmyadmin/config.inc.php the connection is SSL but php is showing in plain text
[08:34] <danielck> ie. the php source is displayed
[08:57] <NightDragon> if anyone is up at this ungodly hour, i have a apache question http://pastebin.com/fZhuLRL7
[09:16] <ivoks> it's 10AM?
[09:17] <ivoks> RewriteRule       ^(!(/svn(.*)|/trac(.*)))$  http://localhost:8080/$1 [P,L]
[09:17] <ivoks> ?
[09:17] <ivoks> so many things are so wrong in this rule
[09:19] <ivoks> unless you really want to redirect every svn/trac requrest to the machine from which it camed
[09:20] <Daviey> ivoks, the client machine could have a /etc/hosts entry for localhost not pointing to 127.0.0.1 :)
[09:21] <ivoks> that would break lots of other things :)
[09:21] <Daviey> well yes... but at least svn would work :)
[09:23] <ivoks> true :D
[09:24] <WinstonSmith_> hi! how do i enable trash on an external hdd? since the user cant write to the root of the external hdd, they cant create the trash directory. where do i configure that? e.g. the rights which the temp mounts are mounted. do i have to add my user to some group?
[09:35] <Adromeda> Hello, I need help setting up a ubuntu server for the first time, I want to run the xen hypervisor
[09:36] <Adromeda> I'm doing this because I'll be purchasing a vps that's running xen
[09:48] <asadeddin> hey all
[09:48] <asadeddin> i have a question about roaming profiles and user management
[09:49] <asadeddin> I am looking to do roaming profiles using NFS, but I would like to manage the updates and rights of the users from the server
[09:49] <asadeddin> how can this be done?
[09:53] <asadeddin> anyone looking to take a shot at this?
[09:53] <greppy> asadeddin: If someone was, they would have said so.
[09:54] <asadeddin> greppy: right, very constructive point. Thanks...
[10:01] <airtonix> hoho
[10:02] <airtonix> use ldap
[10:03] <asadeddin> WIll look into it more. Thanks!
[10:04] <airtonix> it's not a complete answer
[10:04] <asadeddin> why so?
[10:04] <airtonix> but you should be able to find the rest of the answer with google
[10:04] <airtonix> because ldap doesn't impose permissions
[10:05] <airtonix> its merely a database
[10:05] <asadeddin> right i see
[10:05] <asadeddin> i'm looking at the server guide right now
[10:07] <lifeless> SpamapS: present for you when you get off of that plane: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/725470
[10:08] <pw-toxic__> hi
[10:09] <pw-toxic__> i have very slow write rates on a new raid1 volume ( 2* 2TB hitachi)
[10:09] <pw-toxic__> i can read with 90 MB/s but i can only write with 16 MB/s
[10:09] <pw-toxic__> any ideas?
[10:10] <lifeless> sounds about right
[10:10] <lifeless> reading from a mirror set is twice the write rate
[10:10] <lifeless> that gets you to 45MB read per drive
[10:10] <lifeless> and writing is normally slower than reads
[10:11] <WinstonSmith> lifeless, he has a raid1 which should give him the same speeds as in using only 1 disk
[10:11] <WinstonSmith> and reading from a mirrored set is not faster
[10:11] <lifeless> if you say so
[10:12] <WinstonSmith> well lifeless then kindly explain to me what you mean please
[10:14] <pw-toxic__> and still 90 MB/s >>>> 16 MB/s
[10:14] <airtonix> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID#Standard_levels
[10:14] <lifeless> WinstonSmith: raid 1 doubles the spindles available to do IO; that allows twice the concurrency for satisfying read requests, and twice the disk bandwidth (particularly if on dedicated controllers)
[10:16] <WinstonSmith> pw-toxic__, is it software or hardware raid?
[10:17] <WinstonSmith> pw-toxic__, have a read here, it may apply to your problem : http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-4kb-sector-disks/
[10:18] <pw-toxic__> WinstonSmith, software raid
[10:18] <WinstonSmith> pw-toxic__, read the link please. maybe you have to align the partitions
[10:20] <pw-toxic__> WinstonSmith, the performance issue i have is by far bad than i can read in this article
[10:22] <WinstonSmith> pw-toxic__, true its a bit worse. what do you get with only 1 drive?
[10:23] <pw-toxic__> WinstonSmith, how am i supposed to try this? building the raid takes a whole day
[10:23] <_spt_> Hi, could someone please point me to a good page about setting up PHP on my ubuntu server 10.10. I get the html test page ok.
[10:23] <WinstonSmith> pw-toxic__, sry thought you may have tested drives before building the raid
[10:36] <brodo> hi there. i've got a postfix server an want to add aliases which are reachable from the outside. is there any way to accomplish this with /etc/aliases or do i have to set up /etc/postfix/virtual?
[10:37] <egolost> I am doing a switch from centOS to ubuntu server. I wish to create a new volume on my lvm with the installer but don't understand howto.. I guess "Configure the Logical Volume Manager" will destroy the current lvm on the raid?
[10:39] <egolost> because I see my lvm volumes alright but there is nowhere I can add a volume.
[11:12] <aliverius> i setup my server for an nfsv4 share
[11:12] <aliverius> then i rebooted it and now i cant ssh to it
[11:13] <aliverius> nmap shows only 111/tcp open  rpcbind
[11:13] <aliverius> no other ports
[11:22] <egolost> aliverius: started sshd?
[11:23] <aliverius> i cannot ssh to it anymore
[11:23] <aliverius> sshd is supposed to be running
[11:41] <jkg> scre[B[B[B[B
[11:46] <egolost> what does basic ubuntu server when it comes to package selection install?
[12:17] <aliverius> $ sudo mount -t nfs4 -o proto=tcp,port=2049 192.168.2.4:/ /mnt/
[12:17] <aliverius> mount.nfs4: No such device
[12:17] <aliverius> what does this mean?
[12:21] <egolost> aliverius: that it can't find 192.168.2.4?
[12:34] <asadeddin> hey all
[12:35] <asadeddin> i m wondering, how do i connect to a Samba folder from Ubuntu
[12:35] <asadeddin> i can find it in firefox
[12:35] <asadeddin> but i dont know how to access it otherwise.
[12:39] <aliverius> egolost: # nmap 192.168.2.4
[12:40] <aliverius> 2049/tcp open  nfs
[13:19] <brodo> isn't there an easy to install, easy to configure all-in-one email server?
[13:19] <brodo> postfix + dovecot is just way too compliacted
[14:33] <SpamapS> lifeless: I think that may be fixed in 0.7.2
[14:33] <SpamapS> lifeless: which I'll upload when I have more than 128kbit upstream ;)
[16:44] <aliverius> $ sudo mount -t nfs4 -o proto=tcp,port=2049 192.168.2.4:/ /mnt/
[16:44] <aliverius> mount.nfs4: No such device
[16:45] <aliverius> 192.168.2.4 is a valid host
[16:46] <compdoc> port is open in firewall?
[16:46] <aliverius> $ nmap 192.168.2.42049/tcp open  nfs
[16:46] <aliverius> $ nmap 192.168.2.4
[16:46] <aliverius> 2049/tcp open nfs
[16:46] <aliverius> better now
[16:47] <compdoc> gtg
[16:47] <aliverius> bb
[18:43] <lifeless> SpamapS: cool
[18:44] <lifeless> SpamapS: its also running out of fds, which I find mildly surprising :)
[18:45] <lifeless> SpamapS: I hope the flight is progressing well
[20:32] <rchewning> i am hoping someone might be able to help with some trouble that i'm having with port forwarding on my gateway box.  http://pastebin.com/jJkUUruR
[20:33] <rchewning> it seems that i'm unable to get traffic from the "world" interface eth0 to either internal network on eth1 or eth2
[21:12] <pw-toxic> hi
[21:12] <pw-toxic> i want to install gnome desktop on my ubuntu server machine for vnc etc
[21:12] <pw-toxic> how can i install it
[21:12] <pw-toxic> what is the package name or how do i find it out
[21:22] <pw-toxic> can someone help me decide how i should configure my ubuntu server?
[21:22] <pw-toxic> im reading that installing a gui for ubutnu server is not recommended, but i really need it ;(
[21:22] <pw-toxic> now im not sure what to do
[21:25] <thesheff17_> pw-toxic: what do you need the gui for?
[21:25] <pw-toxic> gedit for example
[21:25] <pw-toxic> then i need a raid gui
[21:26] <pw-toxic> palimpsest is very cool
[21:26] <pw-toxic> and sometimes i want to run ubuntu tools but im using windows7 on my desktop because i have 4 screens and want to view blu-rays
[21:26] <guntbert> pw-toxic: you really should learn to work on the cmd line
[21:26] <pw-toxic> guntbert, i dont have time for this
[21:27] <thesheff17_> pw-toxic: I would learn to use the text based tools but if you don't want to do that.  You can always forward GUI tools through xvfb which is a X frame buffer
[21:27] <pw-toxic> guntbert, i can work from the command line for basic things.. i mean i install my raid with the cmd line
[21:27] <guntbert> pw-toxic: why do you want to run a server then?
[21:27] <pw-toxic> guntbert, i have a desktop system with an SSD
[21:27] <pw-toxic> which is very silent
[21:27] <pw-toxic> (windows7)
[21:27] <pw-toxic> and then i have an ubuntu with 11 hard drives
[21:27] <pw-toxic> two raid1 drives and one big raid5
[21:27] <thesheff17_> install the server and just do apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[21:28] <thesheff17_> pretty easy.
[21:28] <pw-toxic> im running dhcp on it and apache and svn etc
[21:28] <pw-toxic> so its kind of a server
[21:28] <pw-toxic> thesheff17_, i have found this command already and im doing this at the moment, but i have read that installing GUI on a server is not recommended
[21:28] <pw-toxic> in think the problem is, that is use the server for both server things and desktop things
[21:29] <thesheff17_> pw-toxic: that is true..GUI stuff is overhead a server shouldn't be running
[21:29] <thesheff17_> pw-toxic: but in your case you want the GUI..not to many options.
[21:29] <pw-toxic> thesheff17_, but to be honest - i have no time to learn how to use toosl like VIM or VI etc
[21:29] <thesheff17_> pw-toxic: use nano
[21:29] <thesheff17_> so simple
[21:29] <pw-toxic> or nano
[21:30] <thesheff17_> all the shortcuts are at the bottom. gedit is harder to use
[21:30] <pw-toxic> i can learn how to use them, but then i wont need to use them for about 6 months, and after 6 months i dont know anymore how to use it, and im annoyed that it takes so nmuch time to do a simple task
[21:31] <pw-toxic> and additionally, i think that there are really cool features of ubuntu desktop like the palimpsest tool (disk utility)
[21:31] <pw-toxic> which shows me smart data in a nice view with explanations and so on
[21:31] <pw-toxic> it saves me so much time
[21:31] <pw-toxic> but on the other hand i want to have a very clean installation.. so im still not sure what to do ;)))
[21:31] <thesheff17_> pw-toxic: forward stuff through an x frame buffer
[21:32] <pw-toxic> but for example i want to make bigger copy commands and i want to run this on the background and see how much has been done so far
[21:32] <pw-toxic> so i just connect to vnc
[21:32] <pw-toxic> copy
[21:32] <pw-toxic> exit vnc
[21:32] <pw-toxic> and the next day i reconnect
[21:33] <pw-toxic> and i see the state of the copy
[21:33] <thesheff17_> what does this mean? make bigger copy commands?
[21:34] <pw-toxic> for example i want to copy 500 GB of an external drive to my raid
[21:34] <pw-toxic> which takes several hours
[21:34] <jmarsden> thesheff17_: run a copy command that will take a while, I think he means
[21:36] <thesheff17_> lol ok..I don't get why you are reluctant to learn the commands...every time you log on you can type history to see what you executed and complex commands I save in a text file...to run things in the background just add & to the end of the command.
[21:37] <pw-toxic> is there something like a time estimation for copy commands from a command line?
[21:37] <pw-toxic> there are just many small things i like from the GUI
[21:38] <thesheff17_> pw-toxic: well then just install ubuntu-desktop and it will be fine...I just hate servers with tons of updates and the GUI just has so many all the time...so it is def a trade off.
[21:39] <pw-toxic> thesheff17_, thats why i'm not satisfied with both solutions: with and without a GUI
[21:40] <thesheff17_> pw-toxic: frame buffer is somewhere in the middle but doesn't do everything...get two machines :) good luck.
[21:41] <pw-toxic> thesheff17_, how about this: can i install ubuntu inside my windows and run gedit on the ubuntu desktop sytem editing a file via SSH on my server?
[21:41] <pw-toxic> is there a link you can give me where i can read about frame buffers?
[21:41] <pw-toxic> i dont know this
[21:43] <pw-toxic> now i have installed ubuntu-desktop.. how can i start it now?
[21:43] <thesheff17_> startx
[21:44] <thesheff17_> on the server you just do apt-get install xvfb then you need a X server I use cygwin...install the X server software for cygwin then all you need to do is ssh -X root@ubuntuServer log in.  Then just type gedit and the GUI will be forwarded to your windows machine.
[21:44] <pw-toxic> hm x-server is started by default
[21:44] <pw-toxic> i think i should really not install a gui...
[21:44] <thesheff17_> cygwin stuff is all on the windows side.
[22:56] <AtomicSpark> Does the thing dpkg-reconfigure calls for interactive mode cache user choices somewhere? I apt-get purged postfix and I don't see any postfix in my etc/, yet when I reinstall it, my old settings are still autofilled in.
[22:56] <AtomicSpark> I kind of would like to see what the real defaults were/back them up somewhere.
[22:59] <jmarsden> AtomicSpark: man 7 debconf and look in /var/cache/debconf
[23:00] <zongo> Greeting Guys,
[23:00] <AtomicSpark> jmarsden: No manual entry for debconf in section 7 (even though it's referenced in man debconf (1?))
[23:01] <jmarsden> Hmm, there is for me.  the man 1 debconf is not the one you want...  Are you running 10.04 ?
[23:01] <AtomicSpark> Yes.
[23:01] <AtomicSpark> It's not on my desktop either.
[23:01] <jmarsden> Ah, I have debconf-doc installed :)
[23:01] <AtomicSpark> Silly.
[23:01] <AtomicSpark> I'll find an online man thing.
[23:01] <jmarsden> sudo apt-get install debconf-doc
[23:02] <jmarsden> Finding junk online may not get you docs that match what is running on your machine... always use man pages first.
[23:03] <AtomicSpark> The version might be wrong, but it's giving me the gist of what happens.
[23:11] <AtomicSpark> jmarsden: I'm not finding the proper way to remove enteries in /var/cache/debconf/. I'm a little worried about just finding the line(s) for that package and just deleting them.
[23:12] <jmarsden> The two tools for that are debconf-get-selections and debconf-set-selections, so sudo apt-get debconf-utils   and play :)
[23:17] <AtomicSpark> jmarsden: I just greped all those files, I don't see anything for postfix.
[23:18] <AtomicSpark> Also, curious that the -old files are the same.
[23:19] <AtomicSpark> Oh darn, template.dat is actually a binary file. Well config.dat still doesn't point to anything postfixy in there.
[23:20] <jmarsden> grep -c postfix /var/cache/debconf/config.dat    # says postfix is in there 55 times on my machine...
[23:21] <AtomicSpark> 0 on mine :\
[23:21] <jmarsden> I'm out of ideas... sorry!
[23:22] <AtomicSpark> This might help, the only thing it's remembering (apparently) is the system mail name.
[23:22] <AtomicSpark> Do you know if thats stored somewhere special?
[23:22] <jmarsden> Yes, /etc/mailname :)
[23:22] <AtomicSpark> I think the default for that is hostname.local
[23:23] <jmarsden> That is not postfix specific at all.
[23:23] <AtomicSpark> Really should get around to bzretc or whatever.
[23:24] <jmarsden> Just fire up a fresh virtual machine or chroot if you want to see what a fresh install looks like...
[23:25] <AtomicSpark> http://wiki.debian.org/EtcMailName debian wiki is cute!
[23:28] <AtomicSpark> jmarsden: Well I'll probably do the "compare to a virtual machine" method. Thanks for the help.
[23:29] <jmarsden> AtomicSpark: You're welcome.