| hamitron | Windows problems? | 00:14 |
|---|---|---|
| ali1234 | X windows | 00:18 |
| hamitron | ah :) | 00:18 |
| ali1234 | it's not getting the screen size from XGetWIndowProperty | 00:19 |
| ali1234 | maybe it's using xrandr | 00:19 |
| hamitron | my only problems atm are with hardware and MS Windows :/ | 00:20 |
| hamitron | 10.04 is the first release I have had zero issues, apart from old hardware support | 00:21 |
| hamitron | life is boring \o/ | 00:21 |
| hamitron | is it 10.10 or 11.04 with the Xwindows issue? | 00:22 |
| ali1234 | any | 00:22 |
| hamitron | oh | 00:22 |
| ali1234 | see, i have this question | 00:22 |
| ali1234 | "how many different ways can a X11 app determine the screen resolution?" | 00:23 |
| ali1234 | so far i have found three ways | 00:23 |
| ali1234 | and there is at least 1 more i have yet to discover | 00:23 |
| hamitron | :/ | 00:24 |
| hamitron | wish i could help | 00:24 |
| hamitron | but really not in the know for that kinda thing | 00:24 |
| ali1234 | XRRConfigCurrentConfiguration looks like a candidate | 00:24 |
| Azelphur | I just followed a cooking recipe that came from 4chan, I may well be partially insane | 00:28 |
| Azelphur | I did it on live webcast too :D | 00:28 |
| Azelphur | but I can officially announce that http://loled.net/wp-content/main/2011_02/1296576576826.jpg works and is awesome, and I'm eating it right now | 00:28 |
| hamitron | they look very light | 00:30 |
| hamitron | in colour I mean | 00:30 |
| Azelphur | came out a little darker for me, and it's good | 00:31 |
| hamitron | I may try | 00:32 |
| hamitron | :) | 00:32 |
| hamitron | easy way to whip something up that | 00:32 |
| hamitron | mug and microwave | 00:32 |
| Azelphur | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/February%202011/IMG_20110226_003102.jpg | 00:33 |
| Azelphur | \o/ | 00:33 |
| HazRPG | I read that as hug microwave *blinks* | 00:35 |
| ali1234 | oh look: there is a ridiculously long winded way to get the screen size from xrandr: http://www.blitzbasic.com/Community/posts.php?topic=86911 | 00:37 |
| ali1234 | time to patch some more functions then | 00:37 |
| Azelphur | hamitron: if your interested, my friend is apparently about to try it http://www.ustream.tv/channel/mugcookoff | 00:39 |
| hamitron | now just need a ubuntu mug for ubuntu cookies | 00:39 |
| hamitron | :/ | 00:40 |
| Azelphur | (00:39:14) Azelphur: hamitron: if your interested, my friend is apparently about to try it http://www.ustream.tv/channel/mugcookoff | 00:40 |
| hamitron | dunno if to blame windows or the internet for that | 00:40 |
| hamitron | I can follow instructions fine ty :) | 00:41 |
| Azelphur | hamitron: pretty sure it was the internet, I'm having connection problems too and a load of people timed out and rejoined at hte same itme | 00:41 |
| hamitron | will check the ingredients look right though | 00:41 |
| hamitron | ah, cool | 00:41 |
| Azelphur | haha | 00:41 |
| hamitron | means my tcp/ip isn't gonna break | 00:42 |
| hamitron | \o/ | 00:42 |
| Azelphur | just interesting that a 4chan recipe doesn't explode in your face or something \o/ | 00:42 |
| hamitron | seems to do that a lot now | 00:42 |
| Azelphur | hamitron: did you see the westboro church interview? | 00:42 |
| Azelphur | that was hilarious, re 4chan/Anonymous :p | 00:42 |
| hamitron | no | 00:42 |
| hamitron | tbh, all I ahve done is price up comp bits and play minecraft lately | 00:43 |
| Azelphur | hamitron: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZJwSjor4hM watch it, it's hilarious | 00:43 |
| Azelphur | hehe | 00:43 |
| JamesTait | So I'm not the only one getting disconnected then. | 00:43 |
| HazRPG | argh! creepy! | 00:45 |
| HazRPG | Rathole Radio use the same theme as me on their wordpress! >_< | 00:45 |
| HazRPG | I was not expecting that | 00:45 |
| ali1234 | this hack i;m making might actually be applicable to other misbehaving fullscreen apps | 00:47 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: interesting | 00:47 |
| hamitron | I sorta decided to get an i3 cpu, but don't wanna regret not getting quad core | 00:51 |
| hamitron | oh ffs | 00:51 |
| hamitron | I blocked youtube | 00:51 |
| hamitron | \o/ | 00:51 |
| ali1234 | it doesn't use xrandr... must be yet another way | 00:53 |
| Azelphur | hamitron: \o/ | 00:53 |
| Azelphur | hamitron: watching the video? :D | 00:54 |
| hamitron | it is loading | 00:54 |
| hamitron | ;/ | 00:54 |
| hamitron | 45% done | 00:54 |
| Azelphur | :p | 00:54 |
| hamitron | Azelphur: I assume you have quad core | 00:56 |
| hamitron | do you use them all? | 00:56 |
| Azelphur | hamitron: technically quad, but I have hyperthreading so sorta 8 | 00:56 |
| Azelphur | hamitron: I'd like to, but the intel stock cooler just cannot take it | 00:57 |
| hamitron | I read disabling ht speeds up gaming 10% on average | 00:57 |
| Azelphur | I need to get better cooling, I've had my CPU at >90C more than 3 times in the past 2 days | 00:57 |
| hamitron | wtf? | 00:57 |
| Azelphur | yea | 00:57 |
| Azelphur | I spoke to a lady at intel and apparently this is close to normal | 00:57 |
| hamitron | isn't the TDP only 135W? | 00:57 |
| hamitron | or 130W | 00:57 |
| Azelphur | yea it's 130 | 00:58 |
| hamitron | what termal paste you using? | 00:58 |
| hamitron | :/ | 00:58 |
| hamitron | thermal* | 00:58 |
| Azelphur | Antec formula 5 | 00:58 |
| Azelphur | hamitron: I spoke to a lady at intel and she said it's supposed to run at 67 on average | 00:59 |
| Azelphur | and 85 when it's under heavy load | 00:59 |
| hamitron | amazing | 00:59 |
| Azelphur | so 94 when running 13 DVD encodes at the same time sorta seems to fit with it | 00:59 |
| hamitron | :) | 00:59 |
| Azelphur | so yea, the intel stock cooler is shit, that was my prognosis | 00:59 |
| hamitron | I choose intel stock coolers | 00:59 |
| hamitron | haha | 01:00 |
| Azelphur | I'm gonna go water cooling | 01:00 |
| Azelphur | get it right down and see if I can't overclock a bit | 01:00 |
| Azelphur | and then get me some bitcoins | 01:00 |
| hamitron | I can't remember the TDP of the PentiumD 3.4ghz 945 | 01:00 |
| hamitron | but it maxes out at 42 C | 01:00 |
| HazRPG | > 9000 sins xD | 01:00 |
| Azelphur | HazRPG: :D | 01:01 |
| Azelphur | I keep a tally. | 01:01 |
| HazRPG | hehe | 01:01 |
| hamitron | 95W | 01:02 |
| Azelphur | I got DoS'd by a security company a week ago, havn't had any replies to emails for motivation | 01:03 |
| hamitron | problem is, I really want to go intel for the HD graphics | 01:03 |
| Azelphur | Starting to think it's time to go public with information on it :p | 01:03 |
| hamitron | :/ | 01:03 |
| hamitron | but the H6x chipset is not exactly something I want to rush into | 01:03 |
| Azelphur | hehe | 01:04 |
| HazRPG | xD "we just did it right now..." | 01:04 |
| Azelphur | HazRPG: :D | 01:04 |
| hamitron | :D | 01:04 |
| HazRPG | gotta love anon :P | 01:04 |
| Azelphur | but yea, I sent an email to their support and administrative contact on DNS whois | 01:05 |
| Azelphur | and got no reply | 01:05 |
| Azelphur | probably gonna phone them tomorrow, if I don't get anywhere I'll just post publicly about it | 01:05 |
| hamitron | :/ | 01:05 |
| HazRPG | Azelphur: am I missing something? | 01:05 |
| Azelphur | HazRPG: (01:02:55) Azelphur: I got DoS'd by a security company a week ago, havn't had any replies to emails for motivation | 01:06 |
| HazRPG | ah | 01:06 |
| Cepheus | my CPU gets to 93C under 100% stress | 01:06 |
| Cepheus | that's how poor my airflow is | 01:06 |
| Azelphur | Cepheus: what CPU? | 01:06 |
| Cepheus | Azelphur: Bombshell time | 01:07 |
| Cepheus | e8400 | 01:07 |
| hamitron | lucky git :/ | 01:07 |
| Cepheus | one of the 45nm C2Ds | 01:07 |
| Cepheus | it's only got a TDP of about 65W | 01:07 |
| Azelphur | hehe, that's way too hot for a c2d | 01:07 |
| hamitron | i'm tempted with one | 01:07 |
| hamitron | :) | 01:07 |
| hamitron | you find it ok? | 01:07 |
| HazRPG | Azelphur: wow 13 DVD encodes at the same time O.o | 01:08 |
| Azelphur | :D | 01:08 |
| HazRPG | why would one need to encode that many at once o.O | 01:08 |
| Cepheus | it's fast, but you could probably get better for the same price now | 01:09 |
| Azelphur | one of my friends going in to hospital for an operation and wants some stuff to watch | 01:09 |
| hamitron | I think it is one of them, or an i3 | 01:09 |
| Cepheus | but, of course, i5 or i3 parts may be less economical than core 2 parts in other regards | 01:09 |
| hamitron | 3ghz c2d vs 3.2ghz i3 | 01:10 |
| hamitron | cost about the same | 01:10 |
| hamitron | but the i3 system has usb3 as a bonus | 01:10 |
| hamitron | :) | 01:10 |
| Cepheus | http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/56?vs=118 | 01:11 |
| Cepheus | the i3 seems generally faster across the board | 01:11 |
| hamitron | the E6700 is also tempting | 01:11 |
| hamitron | 60 quid cheaper | 01:12 |
| hamitron | 3.2ghz | 01:12 |
| hamitron | :) | 01:12 |
| hamitron | and I don't overclock anyway | 01:12 |
| HazRPG | Azelphur: ah | 01:13 |
| HazRPG | Azelphur: hope they get better soon | 01:18 |
| HazRPG | I'm liking my i7-930 :) | 01:19 |
| Azelphur | huh? | 01:19 |
| HazRPG | considering it was free cos my previous motherboard was still under warranty :) | 01:19 |
| HazRPG | Azelphur: your friend | 01:20 |
| Azelphur | oh :) | 01:20 |
| Cepheus | my friend bought the top range 45nm i5 | 01:20 |
| Cepheus | and about a fortnight later sandy bridge was releaseed | 01:21 |
| Azelphur | same only with an i7, Cepheus :D | 01:21 |
| HazRPG | Cepheus: does it use FCLGA1366 socket? | 01:21 |
| HazRPG | Azelphur: ooo, you have an i7 too? | 01:22 |
| Azelphur | yup | 01:22 |
| HazRPG | :) | 01:22 |
| HazRPG | which one? | 01:22 |
| HazRPG | Cepheus: I meant your friend's i5, does it use the FCLGA1366 socket? | 01:23 |
| HazRPG | or LGA1366 as websites seem to put it | 01:23 |
| Cepheus | HazRPG: nope, LGA1156 | 01:23 |
| HazRPG | Cepheus: see personally I feel the LGA1156 will die out quicker | 01:25 |
| Cepheus | HazRPG: I think both will carry on fine | 01:27 |
| HazRPG | where does intel make the socket numbers from, is it from the pin count? | 01:29 |
| JamesTait | Hey, just a quick one before I go to bed. Can anyone get to https://webmail.wyrddreams.org/ ? | 01:30 |
| Cepheus | i get a apache dir listing | 01:31 |
| Cepheus | but | 01:31 |
| Cepheus | works | 01:31 |
| JamesTait | That's fine, thanks. | 01:31 |
| JamesTait | I'm getting SSL errors, that's all. :( | 01:31 |
| HazRPG | JamesTait: erm yeah, but chrome says the cert is untrusted | 01:31 |
| JamesTait | Yeah, it's signed by my own CA. | 01:31 |
| HazRPG | I'm guessing its self-signed... lol yeah | 01:31 |
| Cepheus | fine on chromium and firefox here | 01:32 |
| JamesTait | I'm getting Error code: ssl_error_rx_record_too_long from both Firefox and Epiphany, and even Thunderbird is giving me errors. | 01:32 |
| JamesTait | Never mind, I'll look at it tomorrow. Thanks folks. | 01:32 |
| hamitron | Cepheus: thanks for the cpu link | 01:33 |
| JamesTait | Night all. | 01:33 |
| HazRPG | seems impossible that 731 million transistors exist in my i7 o.O | 01:33 |
| Cepheus | HazRPG: no problem | 01:33 |
| hamitron | I've decided I am getting the i3 | 01:33 |
| Cepheus | HazRPG: I was even more surpsied about my GPU | 01:33 |
| hamitron | :) | 01:33 |
| hamitron | 1st gen | 01:33 |
| HazRPG | JamesTait: possibly an internal cache issue | 01:34 |
| Cepheus | 2bn transistors.. | 01:34 |
| JamesTait | Actually looks like an IPv6 issue. :-/ | 01:34 |
| HazRPG | JamesTait: a restart should clear it :) | 01:34 |
| Cepheus | and it's a mid-range card | 01:34 |
| Cepheus | well, on the whole spectrum of gpus | 01:34 |
| HazRPG | Cepheus: yeah everyone always seems to forget that GPU's are more advanced that CPU's | 01:34 |
| JamesTait | Never mind. I really am going to be now. :) | 01:34 |
| HazRPG | Cepheus: but wow, 2billion!? | 01:35 |
| Cepheus | HazRPG: they have a *lot* of cores. 3D drawing is easy to multithread | 01:35 |
| HazRPG | JamesTait: later \o | 01:35 |
| HazRPG | Cepheus: exactly, its always shocking that no ones ever tried to get an O/S to run straight from GPU | 01:36 |
| hamitron | or at least with native use of gpu | 01:36 |
| Cepheus | HazRPG: Ah. OSes don't multithread well. And there's no standard instruction set for GPUs | 01:36 |
| hamitron | the OS doesn't really use that many resources tbh... | 01:37 |
| Cepheus | yeah. | 01:37 |
| HazRPG | hamitron: yeah, but surely it still manages the resources for applications that run inside it | 01:37 |
| HazRPG | hamitron: or at least that's how I've always believed it to be | 01:38 |
| hamitron | can't applications now use the gpu? | 01:38 |
| HazRPG | hmm... I wonder if its possible to code an application to run in purely with GPU computations | 01:38 |
| hamitron | HazRPG: faster to use both the cpu and gpu ;) | 01:39 |
| HazRPG | hamitron: I think so, but not unless its coded to directly interact with it | 01:39 |
| HazRPG | hamitron: CPU's run slower than GPU's though | 01:40 |
| Cepheus | CPUs are still good at throwing things around | 01:40 |
| hamitron | sure, but if you use both fully... | 01:40 |
| Cepheus | use the CPU to manage GPU tasks! | 01:40 |
| HazRPG | I recall research being done to code folding algorithms to run from GPU since it would calculate the simulations faster | 01:40 |
| hamitron | better for floating point calcs | 01:41 |
| HazRPG | hamitron: yeah | 01:41 |
| HazRPG | personally I want a quantum CPU ;) | 01:41 |
| hamitron | I just want an i3 :/ | 01:42 |
| hamitron | not greedy ;) | 01:42 |
| hamitron | but I got a poor mans intel c2d e4500 here | 01:42 |
| HazRPG | wow, tinycorelinux is tiny! | 01:53 |
| ali1234 | guy, i did it | 01:56 |
| ali1234 | i fixed youtube | 01:57 |
| ali1234 | and that other video you linked HazRPG | 01:57 |
| HazRPG | ali1234: :o! | 01:58 |
| HazRPG | wicked! :D | 01:58 |
| HazRPG | I thought you would have given up on that | 01:58 |
| HazRPG | (although if your like me, when presented with a problem - a solution must be found, at some point!) | 01:58 |
| ali1234 | i would just like to state for the record that flash plugin suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks | 02:01 |
| HazRPG | ali1234: ... we all knew that :P | 02:01 |
| HazRPG | ali1234: btw, well done on the fix :D | 02:01 |
| * HazRPG has an urge to throw money at you | 02:02 | |
| ali1234 | well i hope you can throw far because i don't have paypal | 02:03 |
| HazRPG | >_< | 02:03 |
| HazRPG | ali1234: how come? | 02:04 |
| ali1234 | cancelled account in protest of the wikileaks thing | 02:04 |
| ali1234 | and also because they are generally evil | 02:05 |
| HazRPG | ah | 02:05 |
| HazRPG | ali1234: tell ya what, pick a book and I'll get one shipped out to ya :) | 02:05 |
| HazRPG | also... were you doing it using nstream... thing | 02:07 |
| HazRPG | nspluginwrapper eve | 02:07 |
| HazRPG | even* | 02:07 |
| ali1234 | nspluginwrapper, yeah, but it's not required, the hack will work even if oyu don't use it | 02:09 |
| ali1234 | it patches the X libraries so that they lie when flash asks the wrong question | 02:09 |
| HazRPG | LD_PRELOAD? | 02:09 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 02:09 |
| HazRPG | winner :P | 02:09 |
| HazRPG | was looking at the stuff for that earlier, was interesting | 02:10 |
| HazRPG | however, I think I'll need to pick a simple project to learn the ins and outs of it | 02:10 |
| HazRPG | maybe even just write a "hello world" app, and then make a "destroy world" function so that it prints that instead just to get my head around it | 02:11 |
| * HazRPG adds to his personal to-do list | 02:12 | |
| HazRPG | ali1234: so was it the implementation that youtube uses that causes it? Or was it shoddy coding of the sites? | 02:13 |
| HazRPG | s/youtube/flash | 02:13 |
| ali1234 | it's a problem of flash plugin which youtube hasn't worked around | 02:13 |
| HazRPG | you'd think youtube, being part of google, would have done a work around for it though - considering many other sites do | 02:14 |
| ali1234 | yeah, you'd think | 02:15 |
| ali1234 | i think it's a combination of bad coding everywhere and proprietary developers not talking to each other | 02:15 |
| HazRPG | yeah totally | 02:16 |
| HazRPG | people create standards for a reason... | 02:16 |
| HazRPG | ali1234: right all caught up (was reading your earlier comments) | 02:26 |
| HazRPG | seems I missed a fair few of them | 02:26 |
| HazRPG | ali1234: saw something about it should be able to do it for other misbehaving apps, is that the case or have you targeted it for flash? | 02:26 |
| ali1234 | if other apps make the same mistake with fullscreen mode, this patch will fix them | 02:27 |
| ali1234 | i doubt many of them do though | 02:27 |
| ali1234 | unfortunately there is 101 ways to get the screen res, most of which will not do what you expect with twinview | 02:28 |
| ali1234 | and i'm only addressing 1 way | 02:28 |
| HazRPG | still pretty awesome :P | 02:28 |
| HazRPG | if you open source it, others might try and help contribute for the rest ;) | 02:29 |
| HazRPG | I know I would if I knew what I was doing | 02:29 |
| HazRPG | heck the hack you just did, I would have done it myself if I knew how | 02:29 |
| HazRPG | most I've ever done was a few memory hacks with some hex editors | 02:30 |
| hamitron | Azelphur: just got to watch the vid | 02:30 |
| HazRPG | changing the start bar text in windows is amusing too for confusing people :P | 02:30 |
| * HazRPG hanging off the edge of his seat to at least see a video of quick explanation of ali1234's hack. | 02:31 | |
| HazRPG | s/of/or | 02:32 |
| hamitron | why all the need for vids for passing on a message? :/ | 02:32 |
| HazRPG | or even a screenshot! | 02:32 |
| hamitron | better :) | 02:32 |
| HazRPG | :p | 02:32 |
| HazRPG | guessing he's still cooking it up, or doing other stuff | 02:33 |
| hamitron | media and streaming is all well and good | 02:33 |
| hamitron | but it is really getting overused imo :/ | 02:33 |
| HazRPG | hamitron: only cos the technology, network speeds, etc can allow for them | 02:34 |
| hamitron | way things are going, ebooks will be dead before they have really started | 02:34 |
| hamitron | ;) | 02:34 |
| HazRPG | screenshots at one point was a really overused thing at one point back in the dialup days | 02:34 |
| HazRPG | hamitron: I doubt that :P | 02:34 |
| HazRPG | ebooks have been around for a while | 02:35 |
| HazRPG | just the medium to read/display them haven't | 02:35 |
| hamitron | I mean taken off to the point where most people use them | 02:35 |
| hamitron | yeh | 02:35 |
| ali1234 | http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/random/fullscreenhack-0.1.tar.gz | 02:35 |
| HazRPG | hamitron: personally I'd have a portable ebook reader than a portable video player any day - just because battery life will take many years before they'll last longer than a day for video | 02:36 |
| hamitron | I'd choose a book | 02:37 |
| hamitron | ;) | 02:37 |
| hamitron | but it really bugs me when tips are put into video on something like youtube | 02:38 |
| hamitron | they are much harder to search, than text | 02:38 |
| Azelphur | hamitron: it's so funny though right? :P | 02:38 |
| hamitron | huge downloads | 02:38 |
| hamitron | and also, reading something allows you to go through it at your own pace | 02:38 |
| HazRPG | ali1234: winner :) | 02:38 |
| hamitron | </rant> | 02:38 |
| hamitron | Azelphur: I don't understand eithers side tbh | 02:39 |
| HazRPG | hamitron: pausing does the same effect ;) | 02:39 |
| HazRPG | I do that quite a bit with videos | 02:39 |
| hamitron | it is harder to rewind, or make notes | 02:39 |
| HazRPG | ali1234: personally I would have put the GPL licence in that download too :P | 02:40 |
| ali1234 | i forgot to mention, you should do make test to make sure oyu put the right number in | 02:40 |
| hamitron | but an example is it takes 20 mins to download the 5 min vid, and you could of read the message in under 2 mins | 02:40 |
| ali1234 | i don't like to put GPL on things like this | 02:40 |
| HazRPG | fair enough | 02:40 |
| HazRPG | make test? | 02:41 |
| ali1234 | the code is trivial, it's reversing the proprietary stuff that is hard | 02:41 |
| ali1234 | make test will run the tester program with and without the hack, to prove the call is patched properly | 02:41 |
| HazRPG | is the command just make test? | 02:43 |
| ali1234 | yes | 02:43 |
| HazRPG | reading through your documentation at the min :) | 02:43 |
| HazRPG | nicely put together I must say | 02:44 |
| HazRPG | wow, those are some strange values for screen resolution you've got there | 02:44 |
| HazRPG | guessing its widescreen | 02:45 |
| ali1234 | i have 1920x1200 and 1280x1024 side by side | 02:45 |
| HazRPG | ali1234: also, much thanks in advance :) | 02:45 |
| ali1234 | the extra 120 vertical pixels on my big monitor makes a huge difference btw, i hate widescreen monitors normally | 02:46 |
| HazRPG | I hate widescreen too, which is why I'm still running on 2 - 1280x1024's | 02:47 |
| ali1234 | so then you would put 2480 1024 for real and 1280 1024 for fake values | 02:47 |
| HazRPG | also, both monitors cost me £20, so can't complain | 02:47 |
| HazRPG | ali1234: indeed, already done that :) | 02:48 |
| ali1234 | assuming horizontal layout | 02:48 |
| HazRPG | actually its 2560x1024 | 02:49 |
| ali1234 | oh yeah, oops | 02:49 |
| HazRPG | :p | 02:49 |
| hamitron | guess it is hard in decimal, when your mind works in binary ali1234 ;) | 02:52 |
| HazRPG | hmm, I got a fatal error for that | 02:53 |
| ali1234 | for make test? | 02:53 |
| HazRPG | yeah | 02:53 |
| HazRPG | I did make && sudo make tester | 02:53 |
| ali1234 | that won't work | 02:53 |
| HazRPG | ah | 02:54 |
| ali1234 | sudo make clean | 02:54 |
| ali1234 | make && make test | 02:54 |
| ali1234 | if it still fails pastebin it | 02:54 |
| ali1234 | actually, pastebin it anyway | 02:55 |
| HazRPG | yup still errors out | 02:55 |
| ali1234 | you might miss -dev packages | 02:55 |
| HazRPG | ali1234: http://paste.ubuntu.com/572448/ | 02:55 |
| ali1234 | yes | 02:55 |
| HazRPG | ali1234: ah, that could be possible - only just put ubuntu on the other week | 02:56 |
| ali1234 | no 32 bit toolchain | 02:56 |
| ali1234 | sudo apt-get build-dep nspluginwrapper | 02:56 |
| ali1234 | that should give you everything you need just about | 02:56 |
| hamitron | laters guys and gl o/ | 02:58 |
| HazRPG | hamitron: later dude | 02:58 |
| HazRPG | also, yeah that's fixed it :) | 02:58 |
| HazRPG | ali1234: well, it seems to be reporting the correct values in your tester :) | 02:59 |
| ali1234 | ok, sudo make install and restart firefox | 02:59 |
| HazRPG | I like how you assume I use firefox :P | 03:00 |
| HazRPG | I might start using it for videos though :) | 03:00 |
| ali1234 | "click on the blue e" | 03:00 |
| ali1234 | i dunno, it will work in any browser that uses NPAPI | 03:01 |
| ali1234 | won't work if you install 64 bit flash though | 03:01 |
| ali1234 | not without some more fiddling | 03:01 |
| HazRPG | hmm, I'm getting an error because the folder /usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/i386/linux/ doesn't exist | 03:01 |
| ali1234 | then you probably don't have distro flash installed | 03:02 |
| HazRPG | ah shoot, yeah its 64-bit ubuntu I'm running on | 03:02 |
| Cepheus | ali1234: does it patch in memory or patch on disk? | 03:03 |
| ali1234 | Cepheus: it patches in memory, actually it wraps around xlib | 03:03 |
| HazRPG | ali1234: also, yeah chrome has its own flash inside it's install folder | 03:03 |
| ali1234 | Cepheus: like i said, flash asks the wrong question, so the patch intercepts it and returns a lie | 03:04 |
| HazRPG | hmm, just installed flash and its still throwing the create error | 03:04 |
| Cepheus | ali1234: ah | 03:05 |
| ali1234 | HazRPG: chrome is 32 bit though right? so it won't use nspluginwrapper | 03:05 |
| HazRPG | ali1234: chrome 64 bit | 03:05 |
| ali1234 | hmm, maybe it comes with a 64 bit flash then | 03:05 |
| ali1234 | so, i don't have that setup | 03:05 |
| ali1234 | you'll have to install firefox or chromium and flashplugin-installer (which will pull in ndiswrapper too) | 03:06 |
| HazRPG | I just installed flash from the software centre, would have thought that would have grabbed it | 03:06 |
| ali1234 | dunno, i never used software centre | 03:06 |
| HazRPG | yeah it did (just ran it through terminal) | 03:07 |
| ali1234 | the patch will work with 64 bit flash, but it will be tricky to find somewhere to insert the LD_PRELOAD | 03:08 |
| HazRPG | ali1234: wow! | 03:08 |
| HazRPG | seems I was missing sudo | 03:08 |
| HazRPG | just opened firefox, and it worked awesomely :D | 03:09 |
| ali1234 | now you get to see just how slow youtube HD actually is in fullscreen | 03:10 |
| ali1234 | i get about 2 fps | 03:10 |
| HazRPG | ali1234: YouTube HD (1080p) worked perfectly for fullscreen, it was only videos of 720p and below that had the issue | 03:10 |
| ali1234 | 1080 failed on my setup before | 03:11 |
| ali1234 | works now though | 03:11 |
| ali1234 | seems a bit faster too | 03:11 |
| HazRPG | ali1234: might just be my setup, I'm running an i7-930, 8800GTS | 03:12 |
| HazRPG | hmm, just out of interest, how does this run itself? | 03:15 |
| ali1234 | what do you mean? | 03:16 |
| ali1234 | it's a browser plugin, the browser runs it... | 03:17 |
| HazRPG | just trying to see if I can get it to do the same effect on chrome | 03:17 |
| ali1234 | well on chrome the browser will directly load the flashplugin.so | 03:17 |
| ali1234 | so there is no place to tell it to load the libfullscreen | 03:17 |
| HazRPG | ah | 03:18 |
| ali1234 | so what you would need to do, is make chrome use nspluginwrapper in native 64 bit mode | 03:18 |
| ali1234 | which is possible | 03:18 |
| ali1234 | but tricky | 03:18 |
| HazRPG | makes sense | 03:18 |
| ali1234 | alternatively you could set LD_PRELOAD before running chrome | 03:18 |
| HazRPG | I was thinking that | 03:18 |
| ali1234 | it willthen be passed on to the child processes an so on | 03:18 |
| HazRPG | oh, I thought LD_PRELOAD might not pass it on | 03:19 |
| ali1234 | it's environment variable so it will | 03:19 |
| ali1234 | you will need to rebuild the hack for 64 bit though | 03:19 |
| ali1234 | to do that, edit the makefile and change it to BITS=64 on the first line | 03:19 |
| ali1234 | then make clean && make | 03:20 |
| ali1234 | then LD_PRELOAD=./libfullscreenhack.so chrome | 03:20 |
| ali1234 | however, chrome might use XGetGeometry, so it might mess it up | 03:20 |
| ali1234 | but it's worth a try, it will probably be okay | 03:21 |
| HazRPG | heh that worked | 03:22 |
| HazRPG | it hated using the proper binary though for some reason | 03:23 |
| HazRPG | it was loaded 3 times too | 03:23 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 03:24 |
| ali1234 | you'll get the loading message for every exe that is forked off the first one | 03:24 |
| HazRPG | I think its odd that it works for /opt/google/chrome/chrome but not /opt/google/chrome/google-chrome | 03:25 |
| HazRPG | google-chrome is the main binary, chrome is just the binary that gets loaded afterwards | 03:26 |
| ali1234 | one is probably a shell script that runs the other | 03:26 |
| ali1234 | it might do some library trickery too | 03:26 |
| HazRPG | ali1234: ooo, it is a shell script | 03:27 |
| HazRPG | hmm, if I add that line into this script, would that work? | 03:27 |
| ali1234 | so, you can set the LD_PRELOAD in that shell script so you don't always have to type it | 03:27 |
| * HazRPG going to try anyways | 03:27 | |
| ali1234 | look at how it is done in npviewer | 03:27 |
| HazRPG | heh yeah | 03:27 |
| ali1234 | near the end | 03:28 |
| HazRPG | oh, didn't realise npviewer was a script | 03:29 |
| ali1234 | yes, i just added some lines to it, didn't want to make a patch | 03:29 |
| HazRPG | wow how cheeky is google | 03:30 |
| HazRPG | # We don't want bug-buddy intercepting our crashes. http://crbug.com/24120 | 03:30 |
| ali1234 | lol | 03:31 |
| ali1234 | it's fair, they probably have their own crash dumper, and suse won't care about bug reports from chrome | 03:31 |
| HazRPG | true | 03:32 |
| HazRPG | hmmm chrome executes differently, it uses: exec -a "$0" "$HERE/chrome" "$@" | 03:34 |
| ali1234 | it's ok | 03:34 |
| ali1234 | as long as LD_PRELOAD is exported | 03:34 |
| HazRPG | would it be fair to say if I changed your $LD_PRELOAD:$HERE/libfullscreenhack.so | 03:34 |
| HazRPG | it should do it? | 03:34 |
| ali1234 | if you put the 64 bit .so into the same dir as chrome, that should work | 03:35 |
| HazRPG | that was the plan :P | 03:35 |
| HazRPG | do I need the .o? | 03:35 |
| ali1234 | no | 03:36 |
| HazRPG | that's when it was getting compiled | 03:36 |
| HazRPG | still not fully use to linux filenames | 03:36 |
| HazRPG | I know .so is similar to .dll | 03:36 |
| HazRPG | that was one of few I did learn | 03:36 |
| HazRPG | I know windows makes .obj when you compile code (depends on language) | 03:37 |
| ali1234 | .obj is .o | 03:38 |
| HazRPG | yeah I figured :) | 03:38 |
| ali1234 | .o is raw machine code without the tables that link the bits together | 03:38 |
| ali1234 | linker turns it into a exe or a library | 03:39 |
| HazRPG | ever heard the expression "man, I could kiss you!"? That's how I feel right now xD | 03:39 |
| ali1234 | it works in chrome then? | 03:39 |
| HazRPG | haven't put it in the script yet, was just doing a cp of the .so | 03:39 |
| HazRPG | but it works in terminal, so would assume so ;) | 03:40 |
| HazRPG | oh, can't save heh vim it is | 03:41 |
| Cepheus | my desk chair is now a stool with wheel :/ | 03:41 |
| HazRPG | haha yes! | 03:43 |
| * HazRPG kisses ali1234 | 03:43 | |
| HazRPG | ali1234: seriously, bout earlier if ya want a book mailed just ask :) | 03:44 |
| HazRPG | or similar | 03:45 |
| HazRPG | heh, just noticed npwrapper.libflashplayer in the about:plugins | 03:46 |
| HazRPG | wonder if the added lines was really needed | 03:46 |
| ali1234 | well it probably sees all versions, it will only use one though | 03:46 |
| ali1234 | no idea which one it would pick | 03:46 |
| HazRPG | ali1234: it definitely needs the LD_PRELOADER | 03:47 |
| HazRPG | just checked | 03:47 |
| ali1234 | so it must be favouring it's built in 64 bit version. makes sense | 03:47 |
| HazRPG | for a second, I thought it was just picking up the .so from the directory | 03:48 |
| HazRPG | still, awesome hack though :D | 03:48 |
| HazRPG | ali1234: you know what, fullscreen actually works faster now too | 03:52 |
| ali1234 | i suspect it's faster because it's not copying the whole size of your desktop pointlessly at each frame :) | 03:52 |
| ali1234 | it's faster for me too | 03:52 |
| HazRPG | as in when it switches from 360p to 480p & 720p... but I guess other factors could be going in too | 03:53 |
| HazRPG | ali1234: I think your theory is better | 03:53 |
| * HazRPG have an urge to post this on my blog | 03:54 | |
| HazRPG | has* | 03:54 |
| ali1234 | i will probably throw up a page about it tomorrow | 03:54 |
| HazRPG | ali1234: cool, well if you do I'll help mirror the download | 03:55 |
| HazRPG | cos I can imagine you'll be getting a fair few hits | 03:55 |
| ali1234 | i doubt it, and it's tiny anyway | 03:55 |
| HazRPG | I know at least 10 guys off the top of my head that'll love this hack too | 03:56 |
| ali1234 | 3kb | 03:56 |
| ali1234 | it's not exactly user-friendly either | 03:56 |
| HazRPG | if its well documented, I'm sure it'll be fine | 03:57 |
| ali1234 | i see a lot of posts about it on ubuntuforums | 03:58 |
| HazRPG | like I said, it's a huge problem for many people | 03:58 |
| ali1234 | apparently it affects ati people too | 03:58 |
| ali1234 | i noticed while making this hack that nspluginwrapper already has a couple of similar hacks for various other bugs... | 03:59 |
| HazRPG | wow | 03:59 |
| HazRPG | seriously? | 03:59 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 04:00 |
| HazRPG | guessing its for other ways of grabbing full-screen | 04:00 |
| ali1234 | i dunno what they do. libnoxshm.so i guess disables xshm... it's disabled though | 04:00 |
| ali1234 | there was another one | 04:00 |
| ali1234 | both disabled | 04:00 |
| ali1234 | doubt they are specific to flash | 04:00 |
| HazRPG | if they're disabled, I'm guessing they've been fixed over time but the files haven't been removed | 04:01 |
| ali1234 | probably. and if you get fullscreen problems in any other app try running with the hack | 04:01 |
| HazRPG | unless it checks for it in the code | 04:01 |
| HazRPG | ali1234: ooo, think it would work for wine? | 04:01 |
| ali1234 | maybe | 04:02 |
| ali1234 | but i prefer to use wine virtual desktop | 04:02 |
| ali1234 | it fixes other problems, like directx mouse grabbing | 04:02 |
| HazRPG | although, I've done a few tweaks here and there myself for wine stuff, its very very tedious, and doesn't work from one app to the next | 04:02 |
| HazRPG | ali1234: heh, that doesn't work for borderlands | 04:02 |
| HazRPG | I was testing it out the other day trying to get it to fullscreen properly in one window - but the mouse still wouldn't stay put | 04:03 |
| HazRPG | it was like a "keep track of the mouse location" game :P | 04:03 |
| HazRPG | I mean I have all boxes ticked on the graphics section, and with a few reg tweaks, a few file tweaks and some dll overrides I got it to fullscreen properly - keep meaning to post it up on wineHQ since no one has anything similar on there | 04:06 |
| HazRPG | but the mouse grab is the only issue | 04:06 |
| HazRPG | and I don't know if that's steams fault, or borderlands | 04:06 |
| HazRPG | or a lovely mix of the two | 04:07 |
| HazRPG | I know steams DirectX overlay is broken - in the sense that you can get rid of the pop ups in-game | 04:07 |
| HazRPG | can't* | 04:12 |
| HazRPG | however I might just be doing the mouse grab thing wrong thought | 04:15 |
| HazRPG | though* | 04:15 |
| ali1234 | there's a box on the settings you can tick, don't think there is any more than that | 04:15 |
| HazRPG | there's a few reg tweaks too | 04:15 |
| ali1234 | if the mouse is actually moving, the game is doing something dumb | 04:16 |
| HazRPG | yeah the mouse is actually going off screen, so it seems its not centring it right | 04:16 |
| HazRPG | wow ultimate doom actually works fine under wine | 04:21 |
| ali1234 | why not use one of the free engines? | 04:22 |
| HazRPG | windows 7 would refuse to play it even though its going through dosbox | 04:22 |
| HazRPG | ali1234: yeah its also on my to-do list | 04:22 |
| HazRPG | winner the .wad's aren't DRMed :D | 04:23 |
| HazRPG | ooo, I wonder if I can get quake to run too | 04:23 |
| HazRPG | I bought lots of oldies from steam | 04:24 |
| HazRPG | was dead cheap over the xmas/new year | 04:24 |
| HazRPG | think the whole doom pack only cost me like £5 (inc doom 3) | 04:24 |
| HazRPG | ali1234: again, much thanks for the hack :) | 04:34 |
| HazRPG | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG9SPywEGm4 | 04:45 |
| HazRPG | :) | 04:46 |
| _sara_ | hiii | 05:48 |
| HazRPG | hey | 06:41 |
| HazRPG | morning :) | 06:41 |
| _sara_ | i am on an eeepc - urgh windows | 06:44 |
| HazRPG | ug | 07:08 |
| HazRPG | personally, I prefer ubuntu on my netbook :) | 07:08 |
| HazRPG | since it uses less resources, and works better | 07:09 |
| daubers | Morning | 07:19 |
| MartijnVdS | \o | 07:24 |
| HazRPG | MartijnVdS, daubers: morning \o | 07:35 |
| HazRPG | wow, this is scary piece of news, and has really shed some light for me (about ubuntu): http://www.linux-mag.com/id/8171/ | 07:35 |
| daubers | HazRPG: That article is out of date | 07:36 |
| HazRPG | by 6 days... | 07:36 |
| HazRPG | unless things have changed since then? | 07:37 |
| daubers | http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/02/24/banshee-in-natty-to-ship-multiple-stores-and-contribute-to-gnome-foundation/ | 07:37 |
| HazRPG | it was on the home page for linux mag | 07:37 |
| HazRPG | I wonder if that was in response to that article :P | 07:38 |
| daubers | HazRPG: It was in response to the general uproar | 07:38 |
| HazRPG | makes sense really | 07:39 |
| HazRPG | is there a news site that I'm missing that keeps these things up-to-date? | 07:39 |
| HazRPG | or an irc channel... or something | 07:39 |
| * HazRPG was googling for linux mag online stuff and ended up on said site previously | 07:40 | |
| daubers | HazRPG: planet.ubuntu.org | 07:40 |
| daubers | .com sory | 07:40 |
| daubers | urgh | 07:41 |
| daubers | can't type this morning | 07:41 |
| HazRPG | the .org is a real site too O.o | 07:41 |
| daubers | HazRPG: Yeah, but not the one you want :) | 07:41 |
| HazRPG | indeed | 07:41 |
| HazRPG | daubers: any other sites I can add to the list :) | 07:41 |
| daubers | planet.ubuntu-uk.org | 07:41 |
| HazRPG | I have that one :P | 07:42 |
| daubers | :) | 07:42 |
| HazRPG | just general linux news really | 07:42 |
| daubers | Those are the main two in my feed reader | 07:42 |
| HazRPG | ooo, interesting thought, what feed reader do you use? | 07:42 |
| HazRPG | I mean I use to use Juice for Podcasts | 07:43 |
| * HazRPG currently looking at Liferea | 07:44 | |
| daubers | reader.google.com | 07:45 |
| * daubers really should have a shower as he has to go to work in 30 minutes | 07:46 | |
| kazade | Typical, the first time I try to program some Twitter oAuth stuff, Twitter goes over capacity :/ | 08:28 |
| MooDoo | hello all | 09:00 |
| Myrtti | meh | 09:09 |
| MooDoo | Myrtti: that good eh! | 09:11 |
| daubers | o/ | 09:14 |
| MooDoo | daubers: morning | 09:15 |
| * daubers has run out of sockets in the workshop :( | 09:15 | |
| daubers | Time to run some sockets from the office upstairs down into here so I don't overload the fuse box | 09:15 |
| danfish | daubers: *what* are you running? Frankenstein's monster? | 09:18 |
| danfish | s/running/powering | 09:19 |
| daubers | danfish: 128TB cluster :) | 09:33 |
| daubers | plus 8 "clients" | 09:33 |
| daubers | danfish: At the moment it's popularly known as the workshop heater | 09:35 |
| daubers | or "That bloody racket" | 09:36 |
| danfish | :) | 09:36 |
| danfish | ...at the other end of the scale, me unwraps his guruplug, freshly delivered today | 09:38 |
| daubers | heh | 09:39 |
| danfish | the viglen finally processed it's last bit and went to the great processing unit in the sky | 09:40 |
| daubers | Meant to bring my viglen into the office today to start repurposing it | 09:43 |
| daubers | (again) | 09:43 |
| danfish | daubers: if oggcamp goes ahead, fancy helping with an arduino/embedded devices topic/talk? | 09:47 |
| daubers | Oooooh... could do | 09:49 |
| gord | arduino's look like sooo much fun, but i have forced myself not to purchase one until i have an actual use | 09:49 |
| daubers | My brother wants me to build him a "photobooth" for his wedding. If I have time to start on it by then I might be able to bring it with :) | 09:50 |
| danfish | daubers: cool - when/if it's announced we could throw up an etherpad for ideas. | 09:51 |
| daubers | \o/ | 09:51 |
| danfish | gord: bah - 'use'. What does that really mean? Just think of the dosh you're saving by not having a TV licence... | 09:53 |
| gord | danfish, that gets spent on movies and tv blurays and such, i still buy tv, i just don't watch broadcast tv ;) | 09:54 |
| daubers | gord: I can turn the lights on and off in my house with one of mine :) | 09:54 |
| === cbx333 is now known as cbx33 | ||
| danfish | gord: one of mine that controls the garage door can cause serious head wounds due to my crap programming :( | 09:57 |
| gord | do you have any decapitation bugs filed in launchpad | 10:01 |
| gord | ? | 10:01 |
| danfish | yes, but they are a bit....truncated :P | 10:07 |
| gord | just be careful if someone confirms it... zombies | 10:09 |
| danfish | zombies - the brain eating I can get over, but that they all use KDE...repulsive | 10:13 |
| popey | morning all | 10:31 |
| MooDoo | morning | 10:31 |
| MooDoo | morning popey | 10:31 |
| alexcockell | Hi all.. | 10:37 |
| alexcockell | Oh - something just came to my attention that I HAVE to share.... | 10:38 |
| popey | uhoh | 10:38 |
| alexcockell | Seems like Sir Clive is trying again with his "personal electric transport" http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/04/sinclair_x1/ | 10:38 |
| popey | thats a bit old now :) | 10:39 |
| popey | i think they reviewed it on the gadget show | 10:40 |
| popey | was unsurprisingly bad | 10:40 |
| alexcockell | Only just saw it mentioned... missed it at the time.. | 10:41 |
| danfish | another howler from Sir Clive | 10:42 |
| alexcockell | DigitalSpy just linked to it.. | 10:43 |
| alexcockell | I immediately went into hysterical laughter when reading about it - especially seeing the Youtube clip.. | 10:46 |
| alexcockell | http://www.sinclairzx.com/spec-x-1.html | 10:46 |
| alexcockell | And how much did he haemorrhage on the original C5? | 10:46 |
| danfish | nothing compared to how much he haemorrhage on failed marriages ;) | 10:52 |
| danfish | s/haemorrhage/haemorrhaged | 10:53 |
| alexcockell | wb screen-x | 10:54 |
| alexcockell | And to think that one of the first aftermarket changes people made to a Speccy was to get... a decent keyboard... | 10:55 |
| popey | firsr thing I bought for my speccy was RAM | 11:03 |
| popey | and a joystick | 11:03 |
| popey | I never changed the keyboard from the original rubber one | 11:03 |
| popey | although I did own a 128+2 later | 11:03 |
| daubers | I never owned a rubber one, had the nice clunky placcy one in the 48k+ | 11:08 |
| popey | mine cost 20 quid second hand in a record shop in Aldershot | 11:10 |
| popey | then I saved up for the memory upgrade :) | 11:10 |
| AlanBell | happy Saturday everyone | 11:10 |
| * alexcockell replaying Micro Men off my PVR.. | 11:20 | |
| alexcockell | Now - if the Beeb were to release it on DVD... | 11:20 |
| alexcockell | My family bought the DKTronics keyboard or a product somilar to it - the one where the Speccy and Interface 1 boards fitted inside it... | 11:22 |
| directhex | TEH WEBS! | 11:54 |
| * daubers considers an early lunch | 12:20 | |
| AlanBell | daubers: call it "second breakfast" and leave your options open | 12:28 |
| Baikonur | i'm having a late lunch | 12:28 |
| daubers | or "That bloody racket"y | 12:31 |
| daubers | or "That blooddefais | 12:31 |
| daubers | truey | 12:31 |
| daubers | sudo serviiststart | 12:31 |
| daubers | clear | 12:32 |
| daubers | sudo nano /etc/ietd | 12:32 |
| ali1234 | wat | 12:32 |
| daubers | urgh | 12:32 |
| daubers | urghAlias LUN1y | 12:32 |
| daubers | urghAlniiaa | 12:33 |
| daubers | sudo nano /etcre/ietd | 12:33 |
| daubers | clear | 12:33 |
| daubers | ls | 12:33 |
| ali1234 | WAT | 12:33 |
| ali1234 | daubers: ^ | 12:33 |
| daubers | Sorry! | 12:33 |
| daubers | Set terminator to broadcast all, not group! | 12:34 |
| AlanBell | ah, you are back | 12:34 |
| AlanBell | I was about to quiet you before you started typing passwords! | 12:34 |
| * daubers moves this terminal into a different group | 12:34 | |
| daubers | AlanBell: Doesn't matter, this set of boxes will only be running for a few hours, then be blatted, so lots of passwords of "password" | 12:35 |
| ali1234 | does terminator broadcast mode stop if sudo asks for a password? | 12:36 |
| ali1234 | because it should | 12:36 |
| Baikonur | actually, this is pretty much the exact time i normally eat | 12:36 |
| Baikonur | on weekends | 12:36 |
| ali1234 | (if pam is configured for only interactive passwords) | 12:37 |
| ali1234 | also, what kind of a shell command is "urgh" | 12:41 |
| daubers | it's in my irssi history | 12:43 |
| Pendulum | popey: can you PM me when you're around next? | 12:50 |
| dutchie | daubers has been writing imaginatively named scripts :) | 12:52 |
| gord | been using irc for 10-11 years now, still read "PM" as prime minister | 13:11 |
| brobostigon | afternoonings everyone. | 13:44 |
| jacobw | afternoon | 13:58 |
| brobostigon | afternoonings jacobw :) | 13:59 |
| alexcockell | HI brobo | 14:00 |
| brobostigon | afternoonings alexcockell :) | 14:02 |
| === Guest84477 is now known as Moniker42 | ||
| brobostigon | yay wales, :) | 14:44 |
| DarkProphet | good afternoon, i'm having trouble importing my music library from rhythm box to banshee in 10.10, its saying "Unable to Import song" for alot of them...anything I can do ? | 15:17 |
| daubers | I'm hearing a rumour that there's an updated nvidia driver for natty | 16:02 |
| daubers | true/false? | 16:02 |
| HazRPG | wow, that sucked | 16:04 |
| * brobostigon hugs HazRPG | 16:04 | |
| HazRPG | the internet was cut from 9am this morning till now | 16:04 |
| brobostigon | :( | 16:05 |
| HazRPG | brobostigon: yay :) | 16:05 |
| brobostigon | :) | 16:05 |
| HazRPG | I was in the middle of uploading some tests to show clients too :/ | 16:05 |
| HazRPG | oh well | 16:06 |
| brobostigon | :( | 16:06 |
| Myrtti | mmmmmm nom | 16:47 |
| Myrtti | I made thai yellow chicken curry with potatoes, and my nephew asked me where do I get the recipies because I always cook so nommy food. | 16:48 |
| brobostigon | :) | 16:48 |
| Myrtti | he is the one in the family that is really picky about food | 16:48 |
| Myrtti | and now, I'm drinking a perry | 16:48 |
| Myrtti | watching a proggy about dolphins with mum, trying to fix phpbb and trying to login to minecraft | 16:49 |
| Myrtti | I'm sure saturdays could be better, but this is good enough for me given the circumstances. | 16:49 |
| Myrtti | yay. | 16:49 |
| mgdm | thai curry of more or less any form is excellent | 16:50 |
| * popey pokes AlanBell with http://sozi.baierouge.fr/wiki/en:welcome | 16:50 | |
| * popey points X3N at the continued OOMs on ubuntu-uk.org | 16:51 | |
| AlanBell | very nice | 16:51 |
| mgdm | popey: that WP/Apache OOM again? | 16:52 |
| popey | wp/apache/php or something, yes | 16:52 |
| popey | this time mysql got murdered | 16:53 |
| bigcalm[mob] | Afternoon peeps | 16:56 |
| MartijnVdS | \o mob of bigcalm | 16:57 |
| brobostigon | afternoonings bigcalm[mob] | 16:57 |
| bigcalm[mob] | Anything new happening? | 16:59 |
| brobostigon | downloading natty daily, to try out gnome3-team ppa. | 17:00 |
| bigcalm[mob] | Watch Paul tonight. Anybody here seen it yet? | 17:00 |
| mgdm | bigcalm[mob]: I'm off to see it tonight too | 17:02 |
| siya_ | Any suggestions for "read serial port: Resource temporarily unavailable" | 17:04 |
| siya_ | trying to putty to a serial port | 17:04 |
| MartijnVdS | siya_: port already in use by another program | 17:04 |
| siya_ | minicom worked for a few seconds and is now really flakey | 17:04 |
| MartijnVdS | siya_: port with specified name not existing | 17:04 |
| bigcalm[mob] | I guess not | 17:04 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm[mob]: paul? the alien movie thing? | 17:04 |
| siya_ | ttyS0 does exist, how to I clear the damn port? | 17:04 |
| MartijnVdS | siya_: fuser /dev/ttyS0 | 17:05 |
| MartijnVdS | siya_: see which process is still using it | 17:05 |
| siya_ | MartijnVdS, nada... | 17:06 |
| MartijnVdS | siya_: what does "screen /dev/ttyS0" say? | 17:06 |
| siya_ | hmmm sudo fuser does show something | 17:07 |
| MartijnVdS | (if it works, you can "hang up" using Ctrl+A then k) | 17:07 |
| MartijnVdS | siya_: ah, modem-manager, perhaps? | 17:07 |
| ali1234 | if there is a modem on the port, network-manager may be trying to control it | 17:07 |
| siya_ | Aaaargh!!! It's assigned to a virtual machine | 17:08 |
| MartijnVdS | if there isn't, it might be trying to poke it to find out if the thing that's attached to is a modem :) | 17:08 |
| siya_ | hence minicom had issues and Putty won't touch it at all | 17:08 |
| ali1234 | it should only do that one time | 17:08 |
| brobostigon | bye all, have a good evening. | 17:08 |
| siya_ | tx MartijnVdS | 17:08 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: it might take a while if it needs the commands ti time out though | 17:08 |
| ali1234 | maybe | 17:08 |
| * siya_ kills the vm | 17:09 | |
| === siya_ is now known as dmgeurts | ||
| === dmgeurts is now known as Siya_ | ||
| HazRPG | ooo the new podcast season sounds like its going to be fun :) | 17:40 |
| HazRPG | hmm, how rare | 17:41 |
| HazRPG | rhythmbox seems to think all my downloads for the podcasts failed - but they all sound fine | 17:41 |
| jacobw | HazRPG: I've had that problem | 17:49 |
| jacobw | Rhythm sucks at downloading stuff | 17:49 |
| * jacobw -> away | 17:50 | |
| HazRPG | jacobw: I've never had problems with Rhythm before | 17:50 |
| HazRPG | jacobw: I just downloaded Liferea for subscribing to RSS feeds, it seems pretty awesome :) | 17:50 |
| HazRPG | might use it for downloads too | 17:51 |
| X3N | popey: this time there was no php memory errors.. :( | 18:01 |
| X3N | i see it wasn't rebooted.. | 18:02 |
| X3N | I think the kernel is foobared | 18:02 |
| X3N | or we just don't have the resources on the server that the system needs | 18:03 |
| safiyyah | ubuntu has crashed, I managed to boot it back up, I have loaded a disk to reinstall and it says it can't open autorun | 18:06 |
| safiyyah | please help | 18:06 |
| X3N | what does "ubuntu has crashed" mean? | 18:07 |
| safiyyah | as in applications not loading, it's not booting up | 18:08 |
| safiyyah | without trying over and over again | 18:08 |
| safiyyah | firefox isnt working | 18:08 |
| safiyyah | not connecting to the net, evolution is having the same problem. Opera is working though | 18:09 |
| safiyyah | so I figure I need a clean install | 18:09 |
| X3N | very odd | 18:12 |
| X3N | are you able to boot off the cd or usb? | 18:12 |
| safiyyah | no cds not booting | 18:14 |
| safiyyah | I tired karmic and lucid | 18:14 |
| safiyyah | tried* | 18:15 |
| safiyyah | karmic booted but then my monitor said it couldn't pick up the signal | 18:15 |
| X3N | is it quite an old machine? | 18:17 |
| safiyyah | no | 18:17 |
| X3N | or old monitor? | 18:17 |
| safiyyah | new | 18:17 |
| safiyyah | new monitor | 18:17 |
| safiyyah | i bought everything last yea | 18:17 |
| safiyyah | year* | 18:17 |
| popey | X3N: as I pointed out previously, I had exactly the same issue/setup on my vps, and switched from Apache to Lighttpd and this never happens now | 18:19 |
| X3N | I don't not believe you, it's just I'm trying to see what the root of the problem is | 18:21 |
| safiyyah | you welcome to have a look at my system | 18:21 |
| safiyyah | it all started last night | 18:21 |
| safiyyah | and now i only have a few working applications | 18:21 |
| X3N | safiyyah: what happens when you try and launch and application from a terminal | 18:23 |
| safiyyah | okay let me try | 18:23 |
| safiyyah | firefox? | 18:23 |
| X3N | yeah | 18:23 |
| X3N | anything that doesn't currecntly work | 18:23 |
| safiyyah | okay firefox is loading.. which it was... it's just not loading pages | 18:24 |
| X3N | so you don't have an internet connection? | 18:27 |
| safiyyah | i do | 18:27 |
| safiyyah | am using xchat with the next connection | 18:27 |
| safiyyah | and opera browser is loading up pages | 18:27 |
| safiyyah | evolution is also unable to get mail too | 18:28 |
| safiyyah | when i try to run the ubuntu live disk, it says: | 18:29 |
| safiyyah | Cannot find the autorun program | 18:29 |
| X3N | are you running the ubuntu live disk on your machine while it's booted? | 18:30 |
| X3N | or are you rebooting with the cd in the drive and then booting off it? | 18:31 |
| safiyyah | when i try to boot off the disk, it doesnt load | 18:31 |
| safiyyah | when I try to boot it while the machine is booted it doesnt respond | 18:31 |
| X3N | have you tested the boot disk to make sure it's fine? | 18:34 |
| suprengr | safiyyah: when your browser loads a page - are you sure it's not just loading from cache? what happens if you ask it to refresh? [~& tried other other CDs in your drive? maybe CD or drive is borked] | 18:34 |
| safiyyah | it wont even load the menu for me to check disk errors | 18:34 |
| safiyyah | it goes straight to live disk | 18:34 |
| safiyyah | i have tried other CDS and media disks are loading fine | 18:35 |
| safiyyah | all ubuntu disks are not loading... they go straight to live media which doesn't successfully load | 18:35 |
| suprengr | safiyyah: you mean that when you boot from cd it goes to live install directly? | 18:36 |
| suprengr | s/install/load | 18:36 |
| safiyyah | okay let me try | 18:37 |
| safiyyah | is this from the command line BEFORE you boot in? | 18:37 |
| safiyyah | can i do it from the terminal now | 18:37 |
| suprengr | from a complete shutdown and startup with cd in | 18:38 |
| safiyyah | okay am rebooting | 18:39 |
| suprengr | .. o/ hi everyone | 18:41 |
| * suprengr confesses to feeling good... suprengr 's got a day off! | 18:42 | |
| MichealH | Errors were encountered while processing: | 18:42 |
| MichealH | python2.7-minimal | 18:43 |
| MichealH | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) | 18:43 |
| MichealH | Anyone getting this in maverick? | 18:43 |
| mgdm | what were the errors? | 18:43 |
| DJones | MichealH: It would help if you said what you were doing at the time the error appeared | 18:43 |
| MichealH | I did sudo apt-get install pidgin | 18:44 |
| MichealH | it also happens when installing unity ect. | 18:44 |
| MichealH | I know what this issue is, I think | 18:45 |
| MichealH | the repo's o not have a newer version of it | 18:45 |
| MichealH | Apparently I have to force annother version in, but I cannot fix it permenantly | 18:45 |
| MichealH | Anyone? | 18:47 |
| mgdm | done an apt-get update recently? | 18:48 |
| DJones | MichealH: I'm not sure, maybe pastebin the complete error message | 18:48 |
| MichealH | Ummm, let me try that | 18:48 |
| MichealH | DJones, http://paste.ubuntu.com/572747/ | 18:49 |
| MichealH | mgdm, It seems I cannot apt-gt update the lock is now on :/ | 18:49 |
| AlanBell | sudo | 18:50 |
| MichealH | I am running it as root | 18:50 |
| MichealH | I think instlling it is breaking apt | 18:50 |
| mgdm | ah, something else is working at the same time | 18:50 |
| MichealH | Its updating | 18:51 |
| MichealH | I removed the lock | 18:51 |
| MichealH | Still not solved | 18:55 |
| MichealH | mgdm, Nothing was wroking at that time | 18:55 |
| MichealH | DJones, Ideas? | 18:56 |
| MichealH | AlanBell, ? | 18:56 |
| AlanBell | MichealH: do sudo apt-get upgrade |pastebinit | 18:57 |
| MichealH | pastebinit is not installed and I think i cant install it | 18:58 |
| MichealH | :/ | 18:58 |
| AlanBell | ah, ok] | 18:58 |
| AlanBell | looks like your python2.7-minimal package may be broken | 18:59 |
| MichealH | I can try :P | 18:59 |
| AlanBell | I will try upgrading a bit later | 18:59 |
| MichealH | But, Its broke? | 19:00 |
| MichealH | Can I fix broken packages? | 19:00 |
| * MichealH downloads from package.ubuntu.com and tries installing the .deb | 19:01 | |
| MichealH | "There seems to be an error in aptdaemon..." WTH | 19:03 |
| Baikonur | your something is broken | 19:05 |
| MichealH | I got told python2.7-minimal is broken | 19:06 |
| MichealH | How do I fix that? | 19:06 |
| DJones | MichealH: Googling doesn't even bring anything up for that error, the only thing I can see is "there seems to be a programming error in aptdaemon." | 19:07 |
| MichealH | hmmm | 19:08 |
| HazRPG | haha, you guys will definitely appreciate this: http://www.makeuseof.com/tech-fun/an-update-is-available-for-your-computer/ | 19:09 |
| MichealH | HazRPG, HAHAHAHAHA | 19:10 |
| MichealH | epic | 19:10 |
| HazRPG | MichealH: isn't it just :P | 19:10 |
| ali1234 | wow http://www.makeuseof.com/tech-fun/must-see-ipad-2-video-review/ | 19:14 |
| ali1234 | someone had the same idea i had | 19:15 |
| ali1234 | thing is, i can see that actually happening | 19:15 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: haha | 19:18 |
| ali1234 | if it was cheap enough and light enough, why not? | 19:19 |
| HazRPG | ali1234: hehe :P | 19:20 |
| X3N | apache seems to have totally killed it's self | 19:20 |
| ali1234 | it's not exactly a million miles away from this: http://www.heyokay.com/images/Ghetto%20Blaster.jpg | 19:20 |
| HazRPG | ali1234: xD I own one of those | 19:22 |
| ali1234 | a portable stereo? | 19:24 |
| HazRPG | yeah :P | 19:24 |
| HazRPG | takes 6 D batteries! >_< | 19:25 |
| HazRPG | I've actually seen people do this... http://www.makeuseof.com/tech-fun/how-to-find-out-if-a-girl-likes-you-facebook-hack/ | 19:28 |
| * MartijnVdS watches an old Voyager ep | 19:39 | |
| mgdm | DS9 is vastly better | 19:40 |
| MartijnVdS | mgdm: don't have those (yet) | 19:40 |
| MartijnVdS | mgdm: also, some Voy eps are good | 19:40 |
| mgdm | the vast majority are pants, though :P | 19:41 |
| MartijnVdS | mgdm: "The Chute" | 19:41 |
| gord | next generation is the only ones worth watching but voyager is especially bad :P | 19:41 |
| mgdm | there's one episode so bad the production team disowned it | 19:41 |
| MartijnVdS | Threshold :) | 19:41 |
| mgdm | that's it :) | 19:42 |
| * MartijnVdS knows too much 8-) | 19:43 | |
| MartijnVdS | too much Star Trek, that is | 19:43 |
| HazRPG | ali1234: you might like this: http://www.makeuseof.com/tech-fun/write-in-c-catchy-song-for-programmers/ | 19:45 |
| X3N | gord: any good with apache2 ? | 19:45 |
| HazRPG | X3N: what's up? | 19:46 |
| MartijnVdS | HazRPG: don't forget ♫ We All Live in a Windows Subroutine | 19:46 |
| MartijnVdS | HazRPG: and ♫ Deadlock Holiday | 19:46 |
| mgdm | At least it's not the free software song | 19:46 |
| mgdm | with our without Jono | 19:46 |
| HazRPG | :P | 19:46 |
| MartijnVdS | mgdm: JOIN US NOW AND SHARE THE SOFTWARE | 19:46 |
| mgdm | NOOOOOO | 19:47 |
| X3N | HazRPG: apache2 is sending out the http response header then closing the connection | 19:47 |
| lunchie | lo HazRPG | 19:47 |
| HazRPG | Lunchie: sup dude :) | 19:48 |
| HazRPG | X3N: hmm, is this a recent problem, or have you just installed it? | 19:48 |
| lunchie | not much just bored at work all hail mobile phone irc | 19:48 |
| HazRPG | Lunchie: haha, nice :P | 19:49 |
| X3N | it's a recent problem | 19:49 |
| HazRPG | Lunchie: for some reason my irc client thinks there's two of you online :s | 19:50 |
| HazRPG | X3N: hmm, caused by an update or have you been changing any settings? | 19:50 |
| lunchie | oops probs left pidgin on at home | 19:50 |
| HazRPG | Lunchie: hehe | 19:50 |
| HazRPG | Lunchie: You still working at the place near me? | 19:51 |
| HazRPG | X3N: I'm guessing apache2 isn't just randomly closing. | 19:53 |
| X3N | it's alright, it was just php fooling me | 19:53 |
| HazRPG | ah | 19:54 |
| lunchie | HazRPG, na dude not since just before christmas, just in raffles near me now | 19:56 |
| HazRPG | Lunchie: ah, was going to say I'd pop round for a bit if you were :P | 19:57 |
| HazRPG | bore out of my skull! | 19:57 |
| HazRPG | s/bore/bored* | 19:57 |
| brobostigon | evening everyone. | 20:07 |
| HazRPG | brobostigon: evening dude :) | 20:08 |
| brobostigon | HazRPG: evening :) | 20:08 |
| Baikonur | i'm gonna bore out of my skull | 20:10 |
| HazRPG | Baikonur: that's quite a task your taking on there :P | 20:11 |
| shauno | Trying to do an OS install using only text-to-speech is a bit of a mind bender :/ | 20:13 |
| mgdm | o_O | 20:13 |
| HazRPG | shauno: it can't be done man! Your crazy! That's crazy talk! O.o | 20:14 |
| shauno | completely offtopic. Installing osx with no screen. Just headphones and keyboard. Whole new level of respect for a11y devs | 20:17 |
| AlanBell | shauno: that could be done with Lucid, got broken in Maverick | 20:18 |
| AlanBell | it was somewhat rubbish in Lucid mind | 20:18 |
| AlanBell | I am planning on trying it and filing bugs in Natty | 20:19 |
| shauno | It's almost like an old school text game. You are currently in a text field inside a table. Currently selected: United States | 20:21 |
| mgdm | GO NORTH | 20:21 |
| X3N | popey: I've had a great idea, why don't we just use lighthttpd ? | 20:22 |
| AlanBell | shauno: have you tried orca in Ubuntu? | 20:22 |
| X3N | ;) | 20:22 |
| mgdm | Try lighttpd, it's better | 20:22 |
| * mgdm runs :P | 20:22 | |
| X3N | more t's more better | 20:22 |
| mgdm | s/more/moar/g | 20:22 |
| * AlanBell runs quite a few wordpress instances on ubuntu+apache with no ill effects | 20:23 | |
| shauno | AlanBell: I haven't. Linux gives me more sensible options for installing on broken boxes | 20:23 |
| X3N | AlanBell: do you run them on VMs using xen? | 20:23 |
| * X3N thinks this is the issue | 20:24 | |
| AlanBell | X3N: some are in a bytemark VPS that I think uses Xen, others are in KVM VMs on our hardware | 20:24 |
| popey | lol X3N | 20:24 |
| popey | AlanBell: how much traffic? | 20:25 |
| X3N | bytemark use KVM | 20:25 |
| AlanBell | popey: been slashdotted a few times | 20:25 |
| mgdm | could you do something like pipe the output of ps aux to a file periodically to see what's eating the RAM? (or something more elaborate if you have it available) | 20:25 |
| mgdm | also, I highly recommend Varnish (varnish-cache.org) :) | 20:25 |
| popey | slashdotted since being on 10.04 / php 5.3 and wp 3.x? | 20:25 |
| X3N | mgdm: we can see what's happening, apache2 eats ram like a crazy so and so on the lightest of hammering | 20:26 |
| mgdm | X3N: ah, i was confused by MySQL being killed earlier | 20:26 |
| popey | the linux oom killer is not discriminatory! :D | 20:27 |
| X3N | that's because a oom-killer was sent out by apache | 20:27 |
| popey | the bullet had ORACLE written on it | 20:27 |
| popey | uh, I mean MYSQL | 20:27 |
| mgdm | same difference | 20:27 |
| mgdm | :P | 20:27 |
| HazRPG | I might be wrong, but this is about minecraft: http://page2rss.com/p/60da15d948c8acb893cb122bd4b8a896_5332743_5341491 | 20:28 |
| AlanBell | popey: 10,000 views per month | 20:28 |
| AlanBell | however it is on debian | 20:28 |
| popey | right, so no. | 20:28 |
| popey | i dont know what the issue is, but its some combo of ubuntu 10.04, apache, mysql, wp 3.x and php 5.3 | 20:29 |
| popey | fab had the same issue on his vps | 20:29 |
| popey | ended up switching to centos | 20:29 |
| X3N | I'm pretty sure it's a kernel issue around memory management | 20:29 |
| X3N | I ran the same benchmark on my bytemark vm and it didn't flinch, it has an older verison of wp though | 20:30 |
| X3N | but the comparison in how quickly ubuntu-uk.org fell to it's knees suggests something is pretty wrong at a kernel level | 20:31 |
| popey | try the same benchmark with lighty | 20:31 |
| mgdm | at least if you're runnign Lighty and it *is* php, the process will likely get killed and restarted automagically | 20:32 |
| popey | i have monitored a box whilst its doing this | 20:32 |
| popey | and it is apache eating ram | 20:32 |
| mgdm | popey: running mod_php? | 20:32 |
| popey | the kernel is just doing its job of reaping processes | 20:32 |
| popey | mgdm: either | 20:32 |
| mgdm | Oh, mod_php or fastcgi? | 20:32 |
| popey | either :) | 20:32 |
| mgdm | OK | 20:32 |
| X3N | I suspect lighty may use different methods of mem allocation given it's design to be less resource intensive | 20:33 |
| mgdm | If it was a problem with PHP I'd be more able to perhaps get it fixed | 20:33 |
| mgdm | but I don't know a lot about Apache's guts | 20:33 |
| mgdm | (as | 20:33 |
| mgdm | (aside from as a user) | 20:33 |
| AlanBell | !info zoomtext | 20:34 |
| lubotu3 | Package zoomtext does not exist in maverick | 20:34 |
| mgdm | !info apache | 20:35 |
| lubotu3 | Package apache does not exist in maverick | 20:35 |
| mgdm | !info httpd | 20:35 |
| lubotu3 | Package httpd does not exist in maverick | 20:35 |
| mgdm | !info apache2 | 20:35 |
| lubotu3 | apache2 (source: apache2): Apache HTTP Server metapackage. In component main, is optional. Version 2.2.16-1ubuntu3.1 (maverick), package size 1 kB, installed size 36 kB | 20:35 |
| mgdm | (apologies for the spam) | 20:35 |
| X3N | mgdm: it could be php causing the problem via the connector | 20:36 |
| mgdm | X3N: if it happens in fastcgi then it would show up as the PHP processes eating ram, not apache2 | 20:36 |
| mgdm | I woudl also argue that even if it was some interaction with PHP that makes it happen, it shouldn't be possible for it to happen :) | 20:39 |
| X3N | agreed | 20:39 |
| mgdm | You using apache in prefork mode? | 20:40 |
| mgdm | I was about to say could you pastebin the config somewhere private, but it's in loads of files... | 20:41 |
| X3N | is that a module? | 20:41 |
| popey | no | 20:42 |
| popey | yes, we are using prefork | 20:42 |
| mgdm | what's your MaxClients? | 20:42 |
| X3N | 150 | 20:43 |
| mgdm | o_O | 20:43 |
| mgdm | that should probably be considerably lower | 20:43 |
| X3N | lol yeah | 20:43 |
| popey | I had it as low as 20 on my vps | 20:44 |
| popey | still OOMed | 20:44 |
| X3N | actually that's the default mgdm so.. | 20:44 |
| mgdm | X3N: yeah - maybe stick it down a bit | 20:44 |
| mgdm | good practice even if it doesn't help the immediate issue | 20:44 |
| * mgdm -> pub | 20:45 | |
| X3N | php can be quite slow to release memory for reallocation, maybe we have a leak and the time between marking for reallocation is longer than the next request | 20:47 |
| mgdm | still wouldn't explain it happening in fastcgi mode | 20:48 |
| X3N | I don't think we're using fastcgi mode? | 20:49 |
| mgdm | popey says it happens in both | 20:49 |
| X3N | oh | 20:49 |
| Safiyyah | Okay so, yesterday firefox stopped accessing the internet and so did evolution. I rebooted today and got a black screen with an error message, I tried loading an Ubuntu live disk but no success. Somehow on the next boot up ubuntu scanned for errors and booted up. still with no working firefox or evolution. I came back here and got some ideas on running the live disk | 21:00 |
| Safiyyah | I backed up my work, ran the live disk and got a successful installation, afterwhich when I rebooted I also got the same black screen with an error message. I have literally written the whole message and types in on pastebin | 21:01 |
| Safiyyah | http://paste.ubuntu.com/572793/ | 21:01 |
| Safiyyah | please excuse any minor errors with spacing | 21:02 |
| Safiyyah | i am now running a fedora live disk | 21:02 |
| Safiyyah | which is working with no problem | 21:02 |
| Safiyyah | and that is what am using to speak | 21:02 |
| Safiyyah | what has happened and how do I get a working system back? | 21:02 |
| X3N | that looks like the livedisk is broken | 21:03 |
| Safiyyah | those errors are from my hard drive | 21:03 |
| Safiyyah | and it was the same error BEFORE i did a clean install | 21:03 |
| AlanBell | grub isn't working right | 21:04 |
| Safiyyah | okay well how to proceed | 21:04 |
| Safiyyah | I have backed everything I need up | 21:04 |
| Darael | I'm having some problems with Flash in 64-bit Ubuntu. I know, I know... in any case, pressing the shift key is registered, but releasing it doesn't seem to be, unless there's a text-entry area in the Flash. | 21:04 |
| Safiyyah | i have 3 ubuntu disks, hardy, karmic and lucid | 21:05 |
| Safiyyah | and karmic doesnt run live with my drivers | 21:05 |
| Safiyyah | it never did | 21:05 |
| Safiyyah | it runs on the pc but the monitor says it is not receiving any information | 21:05 |
| Safiyyah | so ... should I install fedora, download ubuntu again, make a new live disk? | 21:06 |
| Safiyyah | there seems to be a newer ubuntu 10.10? | 21:06 |
| penguin42 | Darael: Two questions; are you running 64bit or 32bit flash, which browser and are you running desktop effects? | 21:06 |
| AlanBell | Safiyyah: I think grub is confused about which disk your operating system is on | 21:06 |
| penguin42 | erm, make that 3 | 21:06 |
| AlanBell | Safiyyah: can you tell us more about how your disk(s) are partitioned? | 21:06 |
| AlanBell | Darael: what website should one go to in order to reproduce your issue? | 21:07 |
| AlanBell | Darael: how do you know shift is pressed if there is no entry field in which to type? | 21:08 |
| Safiyyah | yes I have swap, root, home and storage partitions | 21:09 |
| Safiyyah | storage is 389 gb I just dumb my media there | 21:10 |
| Safiyyah | dump* | 21:10 |
| X3N | 10.10 might be a better bet, seeming that you're having driver issues with the current live installer | 21:11 |
| X3N | the only other possibility is that you've changed your harddisk configuration since installing and not updated grub | 21:11 |
| X3N | -only | 21:11 |
| Safiyyah | havent touched it | 21:12 |
| AlanBell | can you pastebin the output of sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda | 21:12 |
| Darael | AlanBell: I was bored and playing flash games, where the effect is noticeable. | 21:12 |
| AlanBell | and do you have one big disk or several? | 21:12 |
| AlanBell | so is there an sdb? | 21:12 |
| Safiyyah | AlanBell: am on a fedora live disk yeah? | 21:12 |
| AlanBell | Safiyyah: ok, well however you get root on that | 21:13 |
| AlanBell | su perhaps | 21:13 |
| Darael | penguin42: Compiz is on, it happens in both Chromium and Firefox, and I am using flash from the repos (so 32-bit w/ nspluginwrapper) but remember it happening wth 64-bit flash. | 21:13 |
| AlanBell | Darael: link please | 21:13 |
| Darael | AlanBell: http://www.kongregate.com/games/krispykrem/kohctpyktop-engineer-of-the-people | 21:13 |
| penguin42 | Darael: There have been various flash/nspluggin/compiz interactions in the past where removing compiz has helped - it's worth a try | 21:14 |
| Darael | penguin42: I'll give that a go then. | 21:14 |
| HazRPG | ali1234: hehe, I love your little hack you made :) | 21:15 |
| AlanBell | Darael: nope, works fine for me | 21:15 |
| * HazRPG clicks fullscreen | 21:15 | |
| AlanBell | I can draw red things and yellow things with shift | 21:15 |
| Safiyyah | lol | 21:15 |
| Safiyyah | i dont know anything about fedora, it was just my only other disk to try | 21:15 |
| Safiyyah | this is the error message i got | 21:16 |
| Darael | AlanBell: That's what I expect. However, it gets stuck on yellow. It eventually returned to N-type but now I can't get it to go back to P-type. | 21:16 |
| Safiyyah | http://paste.ubuntu.com/572805/ | 21:16 |
| Darael | penguin42: Still happening with metacity. | 21:17 |
| Safiyyah | nope | 21:17 |
| penguin42 | Darael: Hmm ok, not that one then :-) | 21:17 |
| AlanBell | Safiyyah: try just typing su | 21:17 |
| AlanBell | then hit return | 21:17 |
| AlanBell | that might give you a # prompt | 21:17 |
| Safiyyah | ah got it | 21:17 |
| Safiyyah | :) | 21:17 |
| AlanBell | fdisk -l /dev/sda | 21:18 |
| AlanBell | without the sudo now (don't need it as you are root) | 21:18 |
| Safiyyah | http://paste.ubuntu.com/572807/ | 21:18 |
| Safiyyah | there is an extra dir i dont know about | 21:19 |
| Safiyyah | sda1 | 21:19 |
| Safiyyah | sda is root | 21:20 |
| Safiyyah | sda 2 is root rather | 21:20 |
| Baikonur | sda1 is the root of all evil | 21:20 |
| Safiyyah | sda 3 is home and sda 4 is storage and then sda 5 is swap | 21:21 |
| Safiyyah | so sda 1... i dont know where it came from | 21:21 |
| Safiyyah | lol | 21:21 |
| Safiyyah | Baikonur: | 21:22 |
| Darael | Well, if we're out of ideas I shall go to #ubuntu. Thanks anyway, AlanBell, penguin42. | 21:22 |
| Safiyyah | lol | 21:22 |
| penguin42 | Darael: sorry, not heard the problem with only shift before | 21:22 |
| hamitron | Safiyyah: sda5 is inside sda1 | 21:23 |
| Darael | penguin42: Yeah, I searched but I couldn't find anything. | 21:23 |
| Safiyyah | hamitron: is this the crocks of my problem? | 21:24 |
| hamitron | I not read your problem, but was just explaining what sda1 is ;) | 21:24 |
| * AlanBell returns with coffee and cake | 21:24 | |
| penguin42 | ooh cake | 21:25 |
| AlanBell | Safiyyah: just going to look for a guide for you | 21:25 |
| Safiyyah | i wanted some cake too | 21:25 |
| * Safiyyah pouting | 21:25 | |
| AlanBell | MINE | 21:25 |
| Safiyyah | share! | 21:25 |
| AlanBell | hands off :) | 21:25 |
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| AlanBell | there is this, which isn't quite what I was looking for https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto | 21:26 |
| AlanBell | in fact sorry, totally wrong | 21:27 |
| AlanBell | this one is informative https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 | 21:27 |
| AlanBell | this is what I was looking for https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows | 21:28 |
| AlanBell | should be possible to use that guide to get grub reinstalled and looking at the right partitions | 21:28 |
| AlanBell | or, you could download 10.10 and install that and hope it just works (should do) | 21:29 |
| AlanBell | mmmm cake | 21:29 |
| hamitron | :) | 21:30 |
| bigcalm | Hi kids | 21:30 |
| hamitron | bigcalm :) | 21:30 |
| * Safiyyah shaking my head | 21:31 | |
| Safiyyah | Alan what am I supposed to do about any of this when I cant get into ubuntu in the first place | 21:32 |
| AlanBell | well I *think* it should all be doable from the Fedora live CD | 21:33 |
| AlanBell | however I might be wrong, especially if Fedora uses a very different version of grub (not sure) | 21:34 |
| Safiyyah | it uses grub legacy | 21:34 |
| Safiyyah | 0.97 | 21:34 |
| AlanBell | oh :( | 21:34 |
| hamitron | could you use loadlin? | 21:35 |
| * AlanBell thinks downloading 10.10 is the way forward | 21:35 | |
| shauno | loadlin needs real dos, rather than any windows made in the last 10 years | 21:36 |
| hamitron | yeh | 21:36 |
| hamitron | or couldn't you boot off a live cd, and chroot to the ubuntu install? | 21:37 |
| shauno | That's more difficult to find than a copy of 10.10 these days :) | 21:37 |
| Safiyyah | lol | 21:37 |
| Safiyyah | am not hardcore like u guys | 21:38 |
| Safiyyah | am not an expert | 21:38 |
| Safiyyah | problem: at mount | tail -1 | 21:38 |
| Safiyyah | it gives me live session as my current mount point | 21:38 |
| Safiyyah | let me paste bin | 21:38 |
| Safiyyah | http://paste.ubuntu.com/572814/ | 21:39 |
| Safiyyah | so i dont have access to my ubuntu hard drive | 21:39 |
| popey | uh | 21:40 |
| popey | you're not quite doing it right | 21:40 |
| Safiyyah | AND i have to DVD drives on my pc, so i could still make a live disk | 21:40 |
| Safiyyah | but againt the second drive isnt working | 21:40 |
| Safiyyah | yes its plugged in properly | 21:40 |
| popey | but I am too drunk to explain how to do it properly | 21:40 |
| Safiyyah | the machine has just decided to hate me right now | 21:40 |
| hamitron | shame on you popey ;) | 21:40 |
| bigcalm | popey: did you kill mc.net? | 21:40 |
| Safiyyah | two* DVD drives | 21:40 |
| popey | http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/01/29/%23ubuntu-classroom.html#t14:06 | 21:41 |
| popey | that may help | 21:41 |
| popey | it describes how to fix a broken machine | 21:41 |
| hamitron | right, I've made a list of stuff to remove from my gaming rig, so now to decide how many comps I need running to do them all :) | 21:44 |
| hamitron | has anyone used skype on a 500mhz cpu? | 21:44 |
| Safiyyah | so my system started going mad after the last update i did on ubuntu | 21:48 |
| Safiyyah | these updates are going to become this scary? | 21:48 |
| AlanBell | not normally! | 21:49 |
| AlanBell | updates usually just work | 21:49 |
| ali1234 | HazRPG, Azelphur, popey, MartijnVdS: http://al.robotfuzz.com/content/workaround-fullscreen-flash-linux-multiheaded-desktops | 21:55 |
| ali1234 | (and anyone else who has problems with flash on multihead) | 21:55 |
| HazRPG | hurray! \o/ | 21:55 |
| * HazRPG giggles because he got to use the hack before others :) | 21:56 | |
| Azelphur | ali1234: awesome | 21:56 |
| HazRPG | ali1234: what's new in 0.2? | 22:03 |
| * HazRPG says as he opens up the code | 22:04 | |
| ali1234 | i just cleaned out unused #includes and updated the documentation | 22:04 |
| HazRPG | ali1234: noticed, nice one :) | 22:06 |
| daubers | Hmmm | 22:07 |
| daubers | Minecraft still being dumb | 22:07 |
| * daubers goes back to playing Pokemon | 22:07 | |
| HazRPG | daubers: :o! Black/White? | 22:08 |
| daubers | HazRPG: Nope | 22:09 |
| Baikonur | perl > ruby | 22:09 |
| * HazRPG can't wait for black/white | 22:10 | |
| Baikonur | i can | 22:10 |
| HazRPG | Baikonur: ? | 22:10 |
| daubers | HazRPG: HeartGold | 22:10 |
| Baikonur | i haven't played any pokemon since blue | 22:10 |
| HazRPG | daubers: cool :) | 22:10 |
| HazRPG | Baikonur: I still do from time to time | 22:10 |
| ali1234 | i haven't played any pokemon since red | 22:10 |
| daubers | still have yellow around somewhere | 22:11 |
| HazRPG | I've still got yellow around too | 22:11 |
| HazRPG | and green | 22:11 |
| HazRPG | although, green was hard to play for it being all in jap | 22:11 |
| HazRPG | slowly get use to it | 22:13 |
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| === siya is now known as siya_ | ||
| === dutchie_ is now known as dutchie | ||
| === siya_ is now known as dmgeurts | ||
| Azelphur | make huge tower of TNT on minecraft, detonate, profit, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/February%202011/2011-02-26-234523_3840x1200_scrot.png | 23:48 |
| hamitron | profit? | 23:49 |
| Azelphur | indeed | 23:50 |
| hamitron | I can't even connect to the site to re-install the game | 23:51 |
| hamitron | :/ | 23:51 |
| hamitron | but at least my gaming rig is slowly getting cleaner | 23:52 |
| Azelphur | :) | 23:52 |
| hamitron | although, for some weird reason, libreoffice won't uninstall | 23:52 |
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