[00:14] Windows problems? [00:18] X windows [00:18] ah :) [00:19] it's not getting the screen size from XGetWIndowProperty [00:19] maybe it's using xrandr [00:20] my only problems atm are with hardware and MS Windows :/ [00:21] 10.04 is the first release I have had zero issues, apart from old hardware support [00:21] life is boring \o/ [00:22] is it 10.10 or 11.04 with the Xwindows issue? [00:22] any [00:22] oh [00:22] see, i have this question [00:23] "how many different ways can a X11 app determine the screen resolution?" [00:23] so far i have found three ways [00:23] and there is at least 1 more i have yet to discover [00:24] :/ [00:24] wish i could help [00:24] but really not in the know for that kinda thing [00:24] XRRConfigCurrentConfiguration looks like a candidate [00:28] I just followed a cooking recipe that came from 4chan, I may well be partially insane [00:28] I did it on live webcast too :D [00:28] but I can officially announce that http://loled.net/wp-content/main/2011_02/1296576576826.jpg works and is awesome, and I'm eating it right now [00:30] they look very light [00:30] in colour I mean [00:31] came out a little darker for me, and it's good [00:32] I may try [00:32] :) [00:32] easy way to whip something up that [00:32] mug and microwave [00:33] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/February%202011/IMG_20110226_003102.jpg [00:33] \o/ [00:35] I read that as hug microwave *blinks* [00:37] oh look: there is a ridiculously long winded way to get the screen size from xrandr: http://www.blitzbasic.com/Community/posts.php?topic=86911 [00:37] time to patch some more functions then [00:39] hamitron: if your interested, my friend is apparently about to try it http://www.ustream.tv/channel/mugcookoff [00:39] now just need a ubuntu mug for ubuntu cookies [00:40] :/ [00:40] (00:39:14) Azelphur: hamitron: if your interested, my friend is apparently about to try it http://www.ustream.tv/channel/mugcookoff [00:40] dunno if to blame windows or the internet for that [00:41] I can follow instructions fine ty :) [00:41] hamitron: pretty sure it was the internet, I'm having connection problems too and a load of people timed out and rejoined at hte same itme [00:41] will check the ingredients look right though [00:41] ah, cool [00:41] haha [00:42] means my tcp/ip isn't gonna break [00:42] \o/ [00:42] just interesting that a 4chan recipe doesn't explode in your face or something \o/ [00:42] seems to do that a lot now [00:42] hamitron: did you see the westboro church interview? [00:42] that was hilarious, re 4chan/Anonymous :p [00:42] no [00:43] tbh, all I ahve done is price up comp bits and play minecraft lately [00:43] hamitron: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZJwSjor4hM watch it, it's hilarious [00:43] hehe [00:43] So I'm not the only one getting disconnected then. [00:45] argh! creepy! [00:45] Rathole Radio use the same theme as me on their wordpress! >_< [00:45] I was not expecting that [00:47] this hack i;m making might actually be applicable to other misbehaving fullscreen apps [00:47] ali1234: interesting [00:51] I sorta decided to get an i3 cpu, but don't wanna regret not getting quad core [00:51] oh ffs [00:51] I blocked youtube [00:51] \o/ [00:53] it doesn't use xrandr... must be yet another way [00:53] hamitron: \o/ [00:54] hamitron: watching the video? :D [00:54] it is loading [00:54] ;/ [00:54] 45% done [00:54] :p [00:56] Azelphur: I assume you have quad core [00:56] do you use them all? [00:56] hamitron: technically quad, but I have hyperthreading so sorta 8 [00:57] hamitron: I'd like to, but the intel stock cooler just cannot take it [00:57] I read disabling ht speeds up gaming 10% on average [00:57] I need to get better cooling, I've had my CPU at >90C more than 3 times in the past 2 days [00:57] wtf? [00:57] yea [00:57] I spoke to a lady at intel and apparently this is close to normal [00:57] isn't the TDP only 135W? [00:57] or 130W [00:58] yea it's 130 [00:58] what termal paste you using? [00:58] :/ [00:58] thermal* [00:58] Antec formula 5 [00:59] hamitron: I spoke to a lady at intel and she said it's supposed to run at 67 on average [00:59] and 85 when it's under heavy load [00:59] amazing [00:59] so 94 when running 13 DVD encodes at the same time sorta seems to fit with it [00:59] :) [00:59] so yea, the intel stock cooler is shit, that was my prognosis [00:59] I choose intel stock coolers [01:00] haha [01:00] I'm gonna go water cooling [01:00] get it right down and see if I can't overclock a bit [01:00] and then get me some bitcoins [01:00] I can't remember the TDP of the PentiumD 3.4ghz 945 [01:00] but it maxes out at 42 C [01:00] > 9000 sins xD [01:01] HazRPG: :D [01:01] I keep a tally. [01:01] hehe [01:02] 95W [01:03] I got DoS'd by a security company a week ago, havn't had any replies to emails for motivation [01:03] problem is, I really want to go intel for the HD graphics [01:03] Starting to think it's time to go public with information on it :p [01:03] :/ [01:03] but the H6x chipset is not exactly something I want to rush into [01:04] hehe [01:04] xD "we just did it right now..." [01:04] HazRPG: :D [01:04] :D [01:04] gotta love anon :P [01:05] but yea, I sent an email to their support and administrative contact on DNS whois [01:05] and got no reply [01:05] probably gonna phone them tomorrow, if I don't get anywhere I'll just post publicly about it [01:05] :/ [01:05] Azelphur: am I missing something? [01:06] HazRPG: (01:02:55) Azelphur: I got DoS'd by a security company a week ago, havn't had any replies to emails for motivation [01:06] ah [01:06] my CPU gets to 93C under 100% stress [01:06] that's how poor my airflow is [01:06] Cepheus: what CPU? [01:07] Azelphur: Bombshell time [01:07] e8400 [01:07] lucky git :/ [01:07] one of the 45nm C2Ds [01:07] it's only got a TDP of about 65W [01:07] hehe, that's way too hot for a c2d [01:07] i'm tempted with one [01:07] :) [01:07] you find it ok? [01:08] Azelphur: wow 13 DVD encodes at the same time O.o [01:08] :D [01:08] why would one need to encode that many at once o.O [01:09] it's fast, but you could probably get better for the same price now [01:09] one of my friends going in to hospital for an operation and wants some stuff to watch [01:09] I think it is one of them, or an i3 [01:09] but, of course, i5 or i3 parts may be less economical than core 2 parts in other regards [01:10] 3ghz c2d vs 3.2ghz i3 [01:10] cost about the same [01:10] but the i3 system has usb3 as a bonus [01:10] :) [01:11] http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/56?vs=118 [01:11] the i3 seems generally faster across the board [01:11] the E6700 is also tempting [01:12] 60 quid cheaper [01:12] 3.2ghz [01:12] :) [01:12] and I don't overclock anyway [01:13] Azelphur: ah [01:18] Azelphur: hope they get better soon [01:19] I'm liking my i7-930 :) [01:19] huh? [01:19] considering it was free cos my previous motherboard was still under warranty :) [01:20] Azelphur: your friend [01:20] oh :) [01:20] my friend bought the top range 45nm i5 [01:21] and about a fortnight later sandy bridge was releaseed [01:21] same only with an i7, Cepheus :D [01:21] Cepheus: does it use FCLGA1366 socket? [01:22] Azelphur: ooo, you have an i7 too? [01:22] yup [01:22] :) [01:22] which one? [01:23] Cepheus: I meant your friend's i5, does it use the FCLGA1366 socket? [01:23] or LGA1366 as websites seem to put it [01:23] HazRPG: nope, LGA1156 [01:25] Cepheus: see personally I feel the LGA1156 will die out quicker [01:27] HazRPG: I think both will carry on fine [01:29] where does intel make the socket numbers from, is it from the pin count? [01:30] Hey, just a quick one before I go to bed. Can anyone get to https://webmail.wyrddreams.org/ ? [01:31] i get a apache dir listing [01:31] but [01:31] works [01:31] That's fine, thanks. [01:31] I'm getting SSL errors, that's all. :( [01:31] JamesTait: erm yeah, but chrome says the cert is untrusted [01:31] Yeah, it's signed by my own CA. [01:31] I'm guessing its self-signed... lol yeah [01:32] fine on chromium and firefox here [01:32] I'm getting Error code: ssl_error_rx_record_too_long from both Firefox and Epiphany, and even Thunderbird is giving me errors. [01:32] Never mind, I'll look at it tomorrow. Thanks folks. [01:33] Cepheus: thanks for the cpu link [01:33] Night all. [01:33] seems impossible that 731 million transistors exist in my i7 o.O [01:33] HazRPG: no problem [01:33] I've decided I am getting the i3 [01:33] HazRPG: I was even more surpsied about my GPU [01:33] :) [01:33] 1st gen [01:34] JamesTait: possibly an internal cache issue [01:34] 2bn transistors.. [01:34] Actually looks like an IPv6 issue. :-/ [01:34] JamesTait: a restart should clear it :) [01:34] and it's a mid-range card [01:34] well, on the whole spectrum of gpus [01:34] Cepheus: yeah everyone always seems to forget that GPU's are more advanced that CPU's [01:34] Never mind. I really am going to be now. :) [01:35] Cepheus: but wow, 2billion!? [01:35] HazRPG: they have a *lot* of cores. 3D drawing is easy to multithread [01:35] JamesTait: later \o [01:36] Cepheus: exactly, its always shocking that no ones ever tried to get an O/S to run straight from GPU [01:36] or at least with native use of gpu [01:36] HazRPG: Ah. OSes don't multithread well. And there's no standard instruction set for GPUs [01:37] the OS doesn't really use that many resources tbh... [01:37] yeah. [01:37] hamitron: yeah, but surely it still manages the resources for applications that run inside it [01:38] hamitron: or at least that's how I've always believed it to be [01:38] can't applications now use the gpu? [01:38] hmm... I wonder if its possible to code an application to run in purely with GPU computations [01:39] HazRPG: faster to use both the cpu and gpu ;) [01:39] hamitron: I think so, but not unless its coded to directly interact with it [01:40] hamitron: CPU's run slower than GPU's though [01:40] CPUs are still good at throwing things around [01:40] sure, but if you use both fully... [01:40] use the CPU to manage GPU tasks! [01:40] I recall research being done to code folding algorithms to run from GPU since it would calculate the simulations faster [01:41] better for floating point calcs [01:41] hamitron: yeah [01:41] personally I want a quantum CPU ;) [01:42] I just want an i3 :/ [01:42] not greedy ;) [01:42] but I got a poor mans intel c2d e4500 here [01:53] wow, tinycorelinux is tiny! [01:56] guy, i did it [01:57] i fixed youtube [01:57] and that other video you linked HazRPG [01:58] ali1234: :o! [01:58] wicked! :D [01:58] I thought you would have given up on that [01:58] (although if your like me, when presented with a problem - a solution must be found, at some point!) [02:01] i would just like to state for the record that flash plugin suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks [02:01] ali1234: ... we all knew that :P [02:01] ali1234: btw, well done on the fix :D [02:02] * HazRPG has an urge to throw money at you [02:03] well i hope you can throw far because i don't have paypal [02:03] >_< [02:04] ali1234: how come? [02:04] cancelled account in protest of the wikileaks thing [02:05] and also because they are generally evil [02:05] ah [02:05] ali1234: tell ya what, pick a book and I'll get one shipped out to ya :) [02:07] also... were you doing it using nstream... thing [02:07] nspluginwrapper eve [02:07] even* [02:09] nspluginwrapper, yeah, but it's not required, the hack will work even if oyu don't use it [02:09] it patches the X libraries so that they lie when flash asks the wrong question [02:09] LD_PRELOAD? [02:09] yeah [02:09] winner :P [02:10] was looking at the stuff for that earlier, was interesting [02:10] however, I think I'll need to pick a simple project to learn the ins and outs of it [02:11] maybe even just write a "hello world" app, and then make a "destroy world" function so that it prints that instead just to get my head around it [02:12] * HazRPG adds to his personal to-do list [02:13] ali1234: so was it the implementation that youtube uses that causes it? Or was it shoddy coding of the sites? [02:13] s/youtube/flash [02:13] it's a problem of flash plugin which youtube hasn't worked around [02:14] you'd think youtube, being part of google, would have done a work around for it though - considering many other sites do [02:15] yeah, you'd think [02:15] i think it's a combination of bad coding everywhere and proprietary developers not talking to each other [02:16] yeah totally [02:16] people create standards for a reason... [02:26] ali1234: right all caught up (was reading your earlier comments) [02:26] seems I missed a fair few of them [02:26] ali1234: saw something about it should be able to do it for other misbehaving apps, is that the case or have you targeted it for flash? [02:27] if other apps make the same mistake with fullscreen mode, this patch will fix them [02:27] i doubt many of them do though [02:28] unfortunately there is 101 ways to get the screen res, most of which will not do what you expect with twinview [02:28] and i'm only addressing 1 way [02:28] still pretty awesome :P [02:29] if you open source it, others might try and help contribute for the rest ;) [02:29] I know I would if I knew what I was doing [02:29] heck the hack you just did, I would have done it myself if I knew how [02:30] most I've ever done was a few memory hacks with some hex editors [02:30] Azelphur: just got to watch the vid [02:30] changing the start bar text in windows is amusing too for confusing people :P [02:31] * HazRPG hanging off the edge of his seat to at least see a video of quick explanation of ali1234's hack. [02:32] s/of/or [02:32] why all the need for vids for passing on a message? :/ [02:32] or even a screenshot! [02:32] better :) [02:32] :p [02:33] guessing he's still cooking it up, or doing other stuff [02:33] media and streaming is all well and good [02:33] but it is really getting overused imo :/ [02:34] hamitron: only cos the technology, network speeds, etc can allow for them [02:34] way things are going, ebooks will be dead before they have really started [02:34] ;) [02:34] screenshots at one point was a really overused thing at one point back in the dialup days [02:34] hamitron: I doubt that :P [02:35] ebooks have been around for a while [02:35] just the medium to read/display them haven't [02:35] I mean taken off to the point where most people use them [02:35] yeh [02:35] http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/random/fullscreenhack-0.1.tar.gz [02:36] hamitron: personally I'd have a portable ebook reader than a portable video player any day - just because battery life will take many years before they'll last longer than a day for video [02:37] I'd choose a book [02:37] ;) [02:38] but it really bugs me when tips are put into video on something like youtube [02:38] they are much harder to search, than text [02:38] hamitron: it's so funny though right? :P [02:38] huge downloads [02:38] and also, reading something allows you to go through it at your own pace [02:38] ali1234: winner :) [02:38] [02:39] Azelphur: I don't understand eithers side tbh [02:39] hamitron: pausing does the same effect ;) [02:39] I do that quite a bit with videos [02:39] it is harder to rewind, or make notes [02:40] ali1234: personally I would have put the GPL licence in that download too :P [02:40] i forgot to mention, you should do make test to make sure oyu put the right number in [02:40] but an example is it takes 20 mins to download the 5 min vid, and you could of read the message in under 2 mins [02:40] i don't like to put GPL on things like this [02:40] fair enough [02:41] make test? [02:41] the code is trivial, it's reversing the proprietary stuff that is hard [02:41] make test will run the tester program with and without the hack, to prove the call is patched properly [02:43] is the command just make test? [02:43] yes [02:43] reading through your documentation at the min :) [02:44] nicely put together I must say [02:44] wow, those are some strange values for screen resolution you've got there [02:45] guessing its widescreen [02:45] i have 1920x1200 and 1280x1024 side by side [02:45] ali1234: also, much thanks in advance :) [02:46] the extra 120 vertical pixels on my big monitor makes a huge difference btw, i hate widescreen monitors normally [02:47] I hate widescreen too, which is why I'm still running on 2 - 1280x1024's [02:47] so then you would put 2480 1024 for real and 1280 1024 for fake values [02:47] also, both monitors cost me £20, so can't complain [02:48] ali1234: indeed, already done that :) [02:48] assuming horizontal layout [02:49] actually its 2560x1024 [02:49] oh yeah, oops [02:49] :p [02:52] guess it is hard in decimal, when your mind works in binary ali1234 ;) [02:53] hmm, I got a fatal error for that [02:53] for make test? [02:53] yeah [02:53] I did make && sudo make tester [02:53] that won't work [02:54] ah [02:54] sudo make clean [02:54] make && make test [02:54] if it still fails pastebin it [02:55] actually, pastebin it anyway [02:55] yup still errors out [02:55] you might miss -dev packages [02:55] ali1234: http://paste.ubuntu.com/572448/ [02:55] yes [02:56] ali1234: ah, that could be possible - only just put ubuntu on the other week [02:56] no 32 bit toolchain [02:56] sudo apt-get build-dep nspluginwrapper [02:56] that should give you everything you need just about [02:58] laters guys and gl o/ [02:58] hamitron: later dude [02:58] also, yeah that's fixed it :) [02:59] ali1234: well, it seems to be reporting the correct values in your tester :) [02:59] ok, sudo make install and restart firefox [03:00] I like how you assume I use firefox :P [03:00] I might start using it for videos though :) [03:00] "click on the blue e" [03:01] i dunno, it will work in any browser that uses NPAPI [03:01] won't work if you install 64 bit flash though [03:01] not without some more fiddling [03:01] hmm, I'm getting an error because the folder /usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/i386/linux/ doesn't exist [03:02] then you probably don't have distro flash installed [03:02] ah shoot, yeah its 64-bit ubuntu I'm running on [03:03] ali1234: does it patch in memory or patch on disk? [03:03] Cepheus: it patches in memory, actually it wraps around xlib [03:03] ali1234: also, yeah chrome has its own flash inside it's install folder [03:04] Cepheus: like i said, flash asks the wrong question, so the patch intercepts it and returns a lie [03:04] hmm, just installed flash and its still throwing the create error [03:05] ali1234: ah [03:05] HazRPG: chrome is 32 bit though right? so it won't use nspluginwrapper [03:05] ali1234: chrome 64 bit [03:05] hmm, maybe it comes with a 64 bit flash then [03:05] so, i don't have that setup [03:06] you'll have to install firefox or chromium and flashplugin-installer (which will pull in ndiswrapper too) [03:06] I just installed flash from the software centre, would have thought that would have grabbed it [03:06] dunno, i never used software centre [03:07] yeah it did (just ran it through terminal) [03:08] the patch will work with 64 bit flash, but it will be tricky to find somewhere to insert the LD_PRELOAD [03:08] ali1234: wow! [03:08] seems I was missing sudo [03:09] just opened firefox, and it worked awesomely :D [03:10] now you get to see just how slow youtube HD actually is in fullscreen [03:10] i get about 2 fps [03:10] ali1234: YouTube HD (1080p) worked perfectly for fullscreen, it was only videos of 720p and below that had the issue [03:11] 1080 failed on my setup before [03:11] works now though [03:11] seems a bit faster too [03:12] ali1234: might just be my setup, I'm running an i7-930, 8800GTS [03:15] hmm, just out of interest, how does this run itself? [03:16] what do you mean? [03:17] it's a browser plugin, the browser runs it... [03:17] just trying to see if I can get it to do the same effect on chrome [03:17] well on chrome the browser will directly load the flashplugin.so [03:17] so there is no place to tell it to load the libfullscreen [03:18] ah [03:18] so what you would need to do, is make chrome use nspluginwrapper in native 64 bit mode [03:18]