[00:14] <hamitron> Windows problems?
[00:18] <ali1234> X windows
[00:18] <hamitron> ah :)
[00:19] <ali1234> it's not getting the screen size from XGetWIndowProperty
[00:19] <ali1234> maybe it's using xrandr
[00:20] <hamitron> my only problems atm are with hardware and MS Windows :/
[00:21] <hamitron> 10.04 is the first release I have had zero issues, apart from old hardware support
[00:21] <hamitron> life is boring \o/
[00:22] <hamitron> is it 10.10 or 11.04 with the Xwindows issue?
[00:22] <ali1234> any
[00:22] <hamitron> oh
[00:22] <ali1234> see, i have this question
[00:23] <ali1234> "how many different ways can a X11 app determine the screen resolution?"
[00:23] <ali1234> so far i have found three ways
[00:23] <ali1234> and there is at least 1 more i have yet to discover
[00:24] <hamitron> :/
[00:24] <hamitron> wish i could help
[00:24] <hamitron> but really not in the know for that kinda thing
[00:24] <ali1234> XRRConfigCurrentConfiguration looks like a candidate
[00:28] <Azelphur> I just followed a cooking recipe that came from 4chan, I may well be partially insane
[00:28] <Azelphur> I did it on live webcast too :D
[00:28] <Azelphur> but I can officially announce that http://loled.net/wp-content/main/2011_02/1296576576826.jpg works and is awesome, and I'm eating it right now
[00:30] <hamitron> they look very light
[00:30] <hamitron> in colour I mean
[00:31] <Azelphur> came out a little darker for me, and it's good
[00:32] <hamitron> I may try
[00:32] <hamitron> :)
[00:32] <hamitron> easy way to whip something up that
[00:32] <hamitron> mug and microwave
[00:33] <Azelphur> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/February%202011/IMG_20110226_003102.jpg
[00:33] <Azelphur> \o/
[00:35] <HazRPG> I read that as hug microwave *blinks*
[00:37] <ali1234> oh look: there is a ridiculously long winded way to get the screen size from xrandr: http://www.blitzbasic.com/Community/posts.php?topic=86911
[00:37] <ali1234> time to patch some more functions then
[00:39] <Azelphur> hamitron: if your interested, my friend is apparently about to try it http://www.ustream.tv/channel/mugcookoff
[00:39] <hamitron> now just need a ubuntu mug for ubuntu cookies
[00:40] <hamitron> :/
[00:40] <Azelphur> (00:39:14) Azelphur: hamitron: if your interested, my friend is apparently about to try it http://www.ustream.tv/channel/mugcookoff
[00:40] <hamitron> dunno if to blame windows or the internet for that
[00:41] <hamitron> I can follow instructions fine ty :)
[00:41] <Azelphur> hamitron: pretty sure it was the internet, I'm having connection problems too and a load of people timed out and rejoined at hte same itme
[00:41] <hamitron> will check the ingredients look right though
[00:41] <hamitron> ah, cool
[00:41] <Azelphur> haha
[00:42] <hamitron> means my tcp/ip isn't gonna break
[00:42] <hamitron> \o/
[00:42] <Azelphur> just interesting that a 4chan recipe doesn't explode in your face or something \o/
[00:42] <hamitron> seems to do that a lot now
[00:42] <Azelphur> hamitron: did you see the westboro church interview?
[00:42] <Azelphur> that was hilarious, re 4chan/Anonymous :p
[00:42] <hamitron> no
[00:43] <hamitron> tbh, all I ahve done is price up comp bits and play minecraft lately
[00:43] <Azelphur> hamitron: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZJwSjor4hM watch it, it's hilarious
[00:43] <Azelphur> hehe
[00:43] <JamesTait> So I'm not the only one getting disconnected then.
[00:45] <HazRPG> argh! creepy!
[00:45] <HazRPG> Rathole Radio use the same theme as me on their wordpress! >_<
[00:45] <HazRPG> I was not expecting that
[00:47] <ali1234> this hack i;m making might actually be applicable to other misbehaving fullscreen apps
[00:47] <Azelphur> ali1234: interesting
[00:51] <hamitron> I sorta decided to get an i3 cpu, but don't wanna regret not getting quad core
[00:51] <hamitron> oh ffs
[00:51] <hamitron> I blocked youtube
[00:51] <hamitron> \o/
[00:53] <ali1234> it doesn't use xrandr... must be yet another way
[00:53] <Azelphur> hamitron: \o/
[00:54] <Azelphur> hamitron: watching the video? :D
[00:54] <hamitron> it is loading
[00:54] <hamitron> ;/
[00:54] <hamitron> 45% done
[00:54] <Azelphur> :p
[00:56] <hamitron> Azelphur: I assume you have quad core
[00:56] <hamitron> do you use them all?
[00:56] <Azelphur> hamitron: technically quad, but I have hyperthreading so sorta 8
[00:57] <Azelphur> hamitron: I'd like to, but the intel stock cooler just cannot take it
[00:57] <hamitron> I read disabling ht speeds up gaming 10% on average
[00:57] <Azelphur> I need to get better cooling, I've had my CPU at >90C more than 3 times in the past 2 days
[00:57] <hamitron> wtf?
[00:57] <Azelphur> yea
[00:57] <Azelphur> I spoke to a lady at intel and apparently this is close to normal
[00:57] <hamitron> isn't the TDP only 135W?
[00:57] <hamitron> or 130W
[00:58] <Azelphur> yea it's 130
[00:58] <hamitron> what termal paste you using?
[00:58] <hamitron> :/
[00:58] <hamitron> thermal*
[00:58] <Azelphur> Antec formula 5
[00:59] <Azelphur> hamitron: I spoke to a lady at intel and she said it's supposed to run at 67 on average
[00:59] <Azelphur> and 85 when it's under heavy load
[00:59] <hamitron> amazing
[00:59] <Azelphur> so 94 when running 13 DVD encodes at the same time sorta seems to fit with it
[00:59] <hamitron> :)
[00:59] <Azelphur> so yea, the intel stock cooler is shit, that was my prognosis
[00:59] <hamitron> I choose intel stock coolers
[01:00] <hamitron> haha
[01:00] <Azelphur> I'm gonna go water cooling
[01:00] <Azelphur> get it right down and see if I can't overclock a bit
[01:00] <Azelphur> and then get me some bitcoins
[01:00] <hamitron> I can't remember the TDP of the PentiumD 3.4ghz 945
[01:00] <hamitron> but it maxes out at 42 C
[01:00] <HazRPG> > 9000 sins xD
[01:01] <Azelphur> HazRPG: :D
[01:01] <Azelphur> I keep a tally.
[01:01] <HazRPG> hehe
[01:02] <hamitron> 95W
[01:03] <Azelphur> I got DoS'd by a security company a week ago, havn't had any replies to emails for motivation
[01:03] <hamitron> problem is, I really want to go intel for the HD graphics
[01:03] <Azelphur> Starting to think it's time to go public with information on it :p
[01:03] <hamitron> :/
[01:03] <hamitron> but the H6x chipset is not exactly something I want to rush into
[01:04] <Azelphur> hehe
[01:04] <HazRPG> xD "we just did it right now..."
[01:04] <Azelphur> HazRPG: :D
[01:04] <hamitron> :D
[01:04] <HazRPG> gotta love anon :P
[01:05] <Azelphur> but yea, I sent an email to their support and administrative contact on DNS whois
[01:05] <Azelphur> and got no reply
[01:05] <Azelphur> probably gonna phone them tomorrow, if I don't get anywhere I'll just post publicly about it
[01:05] <hamitron> :/
[01:05] <HazRPG> Azelphur: am I missing something?
[01:06] <Azelphur> HazRPG: (01:02:55) Azelphur: I got DoS'd by a security company a week ago, havn't had any replies to emails for motivation
[01:06] <HazRPG> ah
[01:06] <Cepheus> my CPU gets to 93C under 100% stress
[01:06] <Cepheus> that's how poor my airflow is
[01:06] <Azelphur> Cepheus: what CPU?
[01:07] <Cepheus> Azelphur: Bombshell time
[01:07] <Cepheus> e8400
[01:07] <hamitron> lucky git :/
[01:07] <Cepheus> one of the 45nm C2Ds
[01:07] <Cepheus> it's only got a TDP of about 65W
[01:07] <Azelphur> hehe, that's way too hot for a c2d
[01:07] <hamitron> i'm tempted with one
[01:07] <hamitron> :)
[01:07] <hamitron> you find it ok?
[01:08] <HazRPG> Azelphur: wow 13 DVD encodes at the same time O.o
[01:08] <Azelphur> :D
[01:08] <HazRPG> why would one need to encode that many at once o.O
[01:09] <Cepheus> it's fast, but you could probably get better for the same price now
[01:09] <Azelphur> one of my friends going in to hospital for an operation and wants some stuff to watch
[01:09] <hamitron> I think it is one of them, or an i3
[01:09] <Cepheus> but, of course, i5 or i3 parts may be less economical than core 2 parts in other regards
[01:10] <hamitron> 3ghz c2d vs 3.2ghz i3
[01:10] <hamitron> cost about the same
[01:10] <hamitron> but the i3 system has usb3 as a bonus
[01:10] <hamitron> :)
[01:11] <Cepheus> http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/56?vs=118
[01:11] <Cepheus> the i3 seems generally faster across the board
[01:11] <hamitron> the E6700 is also tempting
[01:12] <hamitron> 60 quid cheaper
[01:12] <hamitron> 3.2ghz
[01:12] <hamitron> :)
[01:12] <hamitron> and I don't overclock anyway
[01:13] <HazRPG> Azelphur: ah
[01:18] <HazRPG> Azelphur: hope they get better soon
[01:19] <HazRPG> I'm liking my i7-930 :)
[01:19] <Azelphur> huh?
[01:19] <HazRPG> considering it was free cos my previous motherboard was still under warranty :)
[01:20] <HazRPG> Azelphur: your friend
[01:20] <Azelphur> oh :)
[01:20] <Cepheus> my friend bought the top range 45nm i5
[01:21] <Cepheus> and about a fortnight later sandy bridge was releaseed
[01:21] <Azelphur> same only with an i7, Cepheus :D
[01:21] <HazRPG> Cepheus: does it use FCLGA1366 socket?
[01:22] <HazRPG> Azelphur: ooo, you have an i7 too?
[01:22] <Azelphur> yup
[01:22] <HazRPG> :)
[01:22] <HazRPG> which one?
[01:23] <HazRPG> Cepheus: I meant your friend's i5, does it use the FCLGA1366 socket?
[01:23] <HazRPG> or LGA1366 as websites seem to put it
[01:23] <Cepheus> HazRPG: nope, LGA1156
[01:25] <HazRPG> Cepheus: see personally I feel the LGA1156 will die out quicker
[01:27] <Cepheus> HazRPG: I think both will carry on fine
[01:29] <HazRPG> where does intel make the socket numbers from, is it from the pin count?
[01:30] <JamesTait> Hey, just a quick one before I go to bed. Can anyone get to https://webmail.wyrddreams.org/ ?
[01:31] <Cepheus> i get a apache dir listing
[01:31] <Cepheus> but
[01:31] <Cepheus> works
[01:31] <JamesTait> That's fine, thanks.
[01:31] <JamesTait> I'm getting SSL errors, that's all. :(
[01:31] <HazRPG> JamesTait: erm yeah, but chrome says the cert is untrusted
[01:31] <JamesTait> Yeah, it's signed by my own CA.
[01:31] <HazRPG> I'm guessing its self-signed... lol yeah
[01:32] <Cepheus> fine on chromium and firefox here
[01:32] <JamesTait> I'm getting Error code: ssl_error_rx_record_too_long from both Firefox and Epiphany, and even Thunderbird is giving me errors.
[01:32] <JamesTait> Never mind, I'll look at it tomorrow. Thanks folks.
[01:33] <hamitron> Cepheus: thanks for the cpu link
[01:33] <JamesTait> Night all.
[01:33] <HazRPG> seems impossible that 731 million transistors exist in my i7 o.O
[01:33] <Cepheus> HazRPG: no problem
[01:33] <hamitron> I've decided I am getting the i3
[01:33] <Cepheus> HazRPG: I was even more surpsied about my GPU
[01:33] <hamitron> :)
[01:33] <hamitron> 1st gen
[01:34] <HazRPG> JamesTait: possibly an internal cache issue
[01:34] <Cepheus> 2bn transistors..
[01:34] <JamesTait> Actually looks like an IPv6 issue. :-/
[01:34] <HazRPG> JamesTait: a restart should clear it :)
[01:34] <Cepheus> and it's a mid-range card
[01:34] <Cepheus> well, on the whole spectrum of gpus
[01:34] <HazRPG> Cepheus: yeah everyone always seems to forget that GPU's are more advanced that CPU's
[01:34] <JamesTait> Never mind. I really am going to be now. :)
[01:35] <HazRPG> Cepheus: but wow, 2billion!?
[01:35] <Cepheus> HazRPG: they have a *lot* of cores. 3D drawing is easy to multithread
[01:35] <HazRPG> JamesTait: later \o
[01:36] <HazRPG> Cepheus: exactly, its always shocking that no ones ever tried to get an O/S to run straight from GPU
[01:36] <hamitron> or at least with native use of gpu
[01:36] <Cepheus> HazRPG: Ah. OSes don't multithread well. And there's no standard instruction set for GPUs
[01:37] <hamitron> the OS doesn't really use that many resources tbh...
[01:37] <Cepheus> yeah.
[01:37] <HazRPG> hamitron: yeah, but surely it still manages the resources for applications that run inside it
[01:38] <HazRPG> hamitron: or at least that's how I've always believed it to be
[01:38] <hamitron> can't applications now use the gpu?
[01:38] <HazRPG> hmm... I wonder if its possible to code an application to run in purely with GPU computations
[01:39] <hamitron> HazRPG: faster to use both the cpu and gpu ;)
[01:39] <HazRPG> hamitron: I think so, but not unless its coded to directly interact with it
[01:40] <HazRPG> hamitron: CPU's run slower than GPU's though
[01:40] <Cepheus> CPUs are still good at throwing things around
[01:40] <hamitron> sure, but if you use both fully...
[01:40] <Cepheus> use the CPU to manage GPU tasks!
[01:40] <HazRPG> I recall research being done to code folding algorithms to run from GPU since it would calculate the simulations faster
[01:41] <hamitron> better for floating point calcs
[01:41] <HazRPG> hamitron: yeah
[01:41] <HazRPG> personally I want a quantum CPU ;)
[01:42] <hamitron> I just want an i3 :/
[01:42] <hamitron> not greedy ;)
[01:42] <hamitron> but I got a poor mans intel c2d e4500 here
[01:53] <HazRPG> wow, tinycorelinux is tiny!
[01:56] <ali1234> guy, i did it
[01:57] <ali1234> i fixed youtube
[01:57] <ali1234> and that other video you linked HazRPG
[01:58] <HazRPG> ali1234: :o!
[01:58] <HazRPG> wicked! :D
[01:58] <HazRPG> I thought you would have given up on that
[01:58] <HazRPG> (although if your like me, when presented with a problem - a solution must be found, at some point!)
[02:01] <ali1234> i would just like to state for the record that flash plugin suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks
[02:01] <HazRPG> ali1234: ... we all knew that :P
[02:01] <HazRPG> ali1234: btw, well done on the fix :D
[02:02]  * HazRPG has an urge to throw money at you
[02:03] <ali1234> well i hope you can throw far because i don't have paypal
[02:03] <HazRPG> >_<
[02:04] <HazRPG> ali1234: how come?
[02:04] <ali1234> cancelled account in protest of the wikileaks thing
[02:05] <ali1234> and also because they are generally evil
[02:05] <HazRPG> ah
[02:05] <HazRPG> ali1234: tell ya what, pick a book and I'll get one shipped out to ya :)
[02:07] <HazRPG> also... were you doing it using nstream... thing
[02:07] <HazRPG> nspluginwrapper eve
[02:07] <HazRPG> even*
[02:09] <ali1234> nspluginwrapper, yeah, but it's not required, the hack will work even if oyu don't use it
[02:09] <ali1234> it patches the X libraries so that they lie when flash asks the wrong question
[02:09] <HazRPG> LD_PRELOAD?
[02:09] <ali1234> yeah
[02:09] <HazRPG> winner :P
[02:10] <HazRPG> was looking at the stuff for that earlier, was interesting
[02:10] <HazRPG> however, I think I'll need to pick a simple project to learn the ins and outs of it
[02:11] <HazRPG> maybe even just write a "hello world" app, and then make a "destroy world" function so that it prints that instead just to get my head around it
[02:12]  * HazRPG adds to his personal to-do list
[02:13] <HazRPG> ali1234: so was it the implementation that youtube uses that causes it? Or was it shoddy coding of the sites?
[02:13] <HazRPG> s/youtube/flash
[02:13] <ali1234> it's a problem of flash plugin which youtube hasn't worked around
[02:14] <HazRPG> you'd think youtube, being part of google, would have done a work around for it though - considering many other sites do
[02:15] <ali1234> yeah, you'd think
[02:15] <ali1234> i think it's a combination of bad coding everywhere and proprietary developers not talking to each other
[02:16] <HazRPG> yeah totally
[02:16] <HazRPG> people create standards for a reason...
[02:26] <HazRPG> ali1234: right all caught up (was reading your earlier comments)
[02:26] <HazRPG> seems I missed a fair few of them
[02:26] <HazRPG> ali1234: saw something about it should be able to do it for other misbehaving apps, is that the case or have you targeted it for flash?
[02:27] <ali1234> if other apps make the same mistake with fullscreen mode, this patch will fix them
[02:27] <ali1234> i doubt many of them do though
[02:28] <ali1234> unfortunately there is 101 ways to get the screen res, most of which will not do what you expect with twinview
[02:28] <ali1234> and i'm only addressing 1 way
[02:28] <HazRPG> still pretty awesome :P
[02:29] <HazRPG> if you open source it, others might try and help contribute for the rest ;)
[02:29] <HazRPG> I know I would if I knew what I was doing
[02:29] <HazRPG> heck the hack you just did, I would have done it myself if I knew how
[02:30] <HazRPG> most I've ever done was a few memory hacks with some hex editors
[02:30] <hamitron> Azelphur: just got to watch the vid
[02:30] <HazRPG> changing the start bar text in windows is amusing too for confusing people :P
[02:31]  * HazRPG hanging off the edge of his seat to at least see a video of quick explanation of ali1234's hack.
[02:32] <HazRPG> s/of/or
[02:32] <hamitron> why all the need for vids for passing on a message? :/
[02:32] <HazRPG> or even a screenshot!
[02:32] <hamitron> better :)
[02:32] <HazRPG> :p
[02:33] <HazRPG> guessing he's still cooking it up, or doing other stuff
[02:33] <hamitron> media and streaming is all well and good
[02:33] <hamitron> but it is really getting overused imo :/
[02:34] <HazRPG> hamitron: only cos the technology, network speeds, etc can allow for them
[02:34] <hamitron> way things are going, ebooks will be dead before they have really started
[02:34] <hamitron> ;)
[02:34] <HazRPG> screenshots at one point was a really overused thing at one point back in the dialup days
[02:34] <HazRPG> hamitron: I doubt that :P
[02:35] <HazRPG> ebooks have been around for a while
[02:35] <HazRPG> just the medium to read/display them haven't
[02:35] <hamitron> I mean taken off to the point where most people use them
[02:35] <hamitron> yeh
[02:35] <ali1234> http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/random/fullscreenhack-0.1.tar.gz
[02:36] <HazRPG> hamitron: personally I'd have a portable ebook reader than a portable video player any day - just because battery life will take many years before they'll last longer than a day for video
[02:37] <hamitron> I'd choose a book
[02:37] <hamitron> ;)
[02:38] <hamitron> but it really bugs me when tips are put into video on something like youtube
[02:38] <hamitron> they are much harder to search, than text
[02:38] <Azelphur> hamitron: it's so funny though right? :P
[02:38] <hamitron> huge downloads
[02:38] <hamitron> and also, reading something allows you to go through it at your own pace
[02:38] <HazRPG> ali1234: winner :)
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[02:39] <hamitron> Azelphur: I don't understand eithers side tbh
[02:39] <HazRPG> hamitron: pausing does the same effect ;)
[02:39] <HazRPG> I do that quite a bit with videos
[02:39] <hamitron> it is harder to rewind, or make notes
[02:40] <HazRPG> ali1234: personally I would have put the GPL licence in that download too :P
[02:40] <ali1234> i forgot to mention, you should do make test to make sure oyu put the right number in
[02:40] <hamitron> but an example is it takes 20 mins to download the 5 min vid, and you could of read the message in under 2 mins
[02:40] <ali1234> i don't like to put GPL on things like this
[02:40] <HazRPG> fair enough
[02:41] <HazRPG> make test?
[02:41] <ali1234> the code is trivial, it's reversing the proprietary stuff that is hard
[02:41] <ali1234> make test will run the tester program with and without the hack, to prove the call is patched properly
[02:43] <HazRPG> is the command just make test?
[02:43] <ali1234> yes
[02:43] <HazRPG> reading through your documentation at the min :)
[02:44] <HazRPG> nicely put together I must say
[02:44] <HazRPG> wow, those are some strange values for screen resolution you've got there
[02:45] <HazRPG> guessing its widescreen
[02:45] <ali1234> i have 1920x1200 and 1280x1024 side by side
[02:45] <HazRPG> ali1234: also, much thanks in advance :)
[02:46] <ali1234> the extra 120 vertical pixels on my big monitor makes a huge difference btw, i hate widescreen monitors normally
[02:47] <HazRPG> I hate widescreen too, which is why I'm still running on 2 - 1280x1024's
[02:47] <ali1234> so then you would put 2480 1024 for real and 1280 1024 for fake values
[02:47] <HazRPG> also, both monitors cost me £20, so can't complain
[02:48] <HazRPG> ali1234: indeed, already done that :)
[02:48] <ali1234> assuming horizontal layout
[02:49] <HazRPG> actually its 2560x1024
[02:49] <ali1234> oh yeah, oops
[02:49] <HazRPG> :p
[02:52] <hamitron> guess it is hard in decimal, when your mind works in binary ali1234 ;)
[02:53] <HazRPG> hmm, I got a fatal error for that
[02:53] <ali1234> for make test?
[02:53] <HazRPG> yeah
[02:53] <HazRPG> I did make && sudo make tester
[02:53] <ali1234> that won't work
[02:54] <HazRPG> ah
[02:54] <ali1234> sudo make clean
[02:54] <ali1234> make && make test
[02:54] <ali1234> if it still fails pastebin it
[02:55] <ali1234> actually, pastebin it anyway
[02:55] <HazRPG> yup still errors out
[02:55] <ali1234> you might miss -dev packages
[02:55] <HazRPG> ali1234: http://paste.ubuntu.com/572448/
[02:55] <ali1234> yes
[02:56] <HazRPG> ali1234: ah, that could be possible - only just put ubuntu on the other week
[02:56] <ali1234> no 32 bit toolchain
[02:56] <ali1234> sudo apt-get build-dep nspluginwrapper
[02:56] <ali1234> that should give you everything you need just about
[02:58] <hamitron> laters guys and gl o/
[02:58] <HazRPG> hamitron: later dude
[02:58] <HazRPG> also, yeah that's fixed it :)
[02:59] <HazRPG> ali1234: well, it seems to be reporting the correct values in your tester :)
[02:59] <ali1234> ok, sudo make install and restart firefox
[03:00] <HazRPG> I like how you assume I use firefox :P
[03:00] <HazRPG> I might start using it for videos though :)
[03:00] <ali1234> "click on the blue e"
[03:01] <ali1234> i dunno, it will work in any browser that uses NPAPI
[03:01] <ali1234> won't work if you install 64 bit flash though
[03:01] <ali1234> not without some more fiddling
[03:01] <HazRPG> hmm, I'm getting an error because the folder /usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/i386/linux/ doesn't exist
[03:02] <ali1234> then you probably don't have distro flash installed
[03:02] <HazRPG> ah shoot, yeah its 64-bit ubuntu I'm running on
[03:03] <Cepheus> ali1234: does it patch in memory or patch on disk?
[03:03] <ali1234> Cepheus: it patches in memory, actually it wraps around xlib
[03:03] <HazRPG> ali1234: also, yeah chrome has its own flash inside it's install folder
[03:04] <ali1234> Cepheus: like i said, flash asks the wrong question, so the patch intercepts it and returns a lie
[03:04] <HazRPG> hmm, just installed flash and its still throwing the create error
[03:05] <Cepheus> ali1234: ah
[03:05] <ali1234> HazRPG: chrome is 32 bit though right? so it won't use nspluginwrapper
[03:05] <HazRPG> ali1234: chrome 64 bit
[03:05] <ali1234> hmm, maybe it comes with a 64 bit flash then
[03:05] <ali1234> so, i don't have that setup
[03:06] <ali1234> you'll have to install firefox or chromium and flashplugin-installer (which will pull in ndiswrapper too)
[03:06] <HazRPG> I just installed flash from the software centre, would have thought that would have grabbed it
[03:06] <ali1234> dunno, i never used software centre
[03:07] <HazRPG> yeah it did (just ran it through terminal)
[03:08] <ali1234> the patch will work with 64 bit flash, but it will be tricky to find somewhere to insert the LD_PRELOAD
[03:08] <HazRPG> ali1234: wow!
[03:08] <HazRPG> seems I was missing sudo
[03:09] <HazRPG> just opened firefox, and it worked awesomely :D
[03:10] <ali1234> now you get to see just how slow youtube HD actually is in fullscreen
[03:10] <ali1234> i get about 2 fps
[03:10] <HazRPG> ali1234: YouTube HD (1080p) worked perfectly for fullscreen, it was only videos of 720p and below that had the issue
[03:11] <ali1234> 1080 failed on my setup before
[03:11] <ali1234> works now though
[03:11] <ali1234> seems a bit faster too
[03:12] <HazRPG> ali1234: might just be my setup, I'm running an i7-930, 8800GTS
[03:15] <HazRPG> hmm, just out of interest, how does this run itself?
[03:16] <ali1234> what do you mean?
[03:17] <ali1234> it's a browser plugin, the browser runs it...
[03:17] <HazRPG> just trying to see if I can get it to do the same effect on chrome
[03:17] <ali1234> well on chrome the browser will directly load the flashplugin.so
[03:17] <ali1234> so there is no place to tell it to load the libfullscreen
[03:18] <HazRPG> ah
[03:18] <ali1234> so what you would need to do, is make chrome use nspluginwrapper in native 64 bit mode
[03:18] <ali1234> which is possible
[03:18] <ali1234> but tricky
[03:18] <HazRPG> makes sense
[03:18] <ali1234> alternatively you could set LD_PRELOAD before running chrome
[03:18] <HazRPG> I was thinking that
[03:18] <ali1234> it willthen be passed on to the child processes an so on
[03:19] <HazRPG> oh, I thought LD_PRELOAD might not pass it on
[03:19] <ali1234> it's environment variable so it will
[03:19] <ali1234> you will need to rebuild the hack for 64 bit though
[03:19] <ali1234> to do that, edit the makefile and change it to BITS=64 on the first line
[03:20] <ali1234> then make clean && make
[03:20] <ali1234> then LD_PRELOAD=./libfullscreenhack.so chrome
[03:20] <ali1234> however, chrome might use XGetGeometry, so it might mess it up
[03:21] <ali1234> but it's worth a try, it will probably be okay
[03:22] <HazRPG> heh that worked
[03:23] <HazRPG> it hated using the proper binary though for some reason
[03:23] <HazRPG> it was loaded 3 times too
[03:24] <ali1234> yeah
[03:24] <ali1234> you'll get the loading message for every exe that is forked off the first one
[03:25] <HazRPG> I think its odd that it works for /opt/google/chrome/chrome but not /opt/google/chrome/google-chrome
[03:26] <HazRPG> google-chrome is the main binary, chrome is just the binary that gets loaded afterwards
[03:26] <ali1234> one is probably a shell script that runs the other
[03:26] <ali1234> it might do some library trickery too
[03:27] <HazRPG> ali1234: ooo, it is a shell script
[03:27] <HazRPG> hmm, if I add that line into this script, would that work?
[03:27] <ali1234> so, you can set the LD_PRELOAD in that shell script so you don't always have to type it
[03:27]  * HazRPG going to try anyways
[03:27] <ali1234> look at how it is done in npviewer
[03:27] <HazRPG> heh yeah
[03:28] <ali1234> near the end
[03:29] <HazRPG> oh, didn't realise npviewer was a script
[03:29] <ali1234> yes, i just added some lines to it, didn't want to make a patch
[03:30] <HazRPG> wow how cheeky is google
[03:30] <HazRPG> # We don't want bug-buddy intercepting our crashes. http://crbug.com/24120
[03:31] <ali1234> lol
[03:31] <ali1234> it's fair, they probably have their own crash dumper, and suse won't care about bug reports from chrome
[03:32] <HazRPG> true
[03:34] <HazRPG> hmmm chrome executes differently, it uses: exec -a "$0" "$HERE/chrome" "$@"
[03:34] <ali1234> it's ok
[03:34] <ali1234> as long as LD_PRELOAD is exported
[03:34] <HazRPG> would it be fair to say if I changed your $LD_PRELOAD:$HERE/libfullscreenhack.so
[03:34] <HazRPG> it should do it?
[03:35] <ali1234> if you put the 64 bit .so into the same dir as chrome, that should work
[03:35] <HazRPG> that was the plan :P
[03:35] <HazRPG> do I need the .o?
[03:36] <ali1234> no
[03:36] <HazRPG> that's when it was getting compiled
[03:36] <HazRPG> still not fully use to linux filenames
[03:36] <HazRPG> I know .so is similar to .dll
[03:36] <HazRPG> that was one of few I did learn
[03:37] <HazRPG> I know windows makes .obj when you compile code (depends on language)
[03:38] <ali1234> .obj is .o
[03:38] <HazRPG> yeah I figured :)
[03:38] <ali1234> .o is raw machine code without the tables that link the bits together
[03:39] <ali1234> linker turns it into a exe or a library
[03:39] <HazRPG> ever heard the expression "man, I could kiss you!"? That's how I feel right now xD
[03:39] <ali1234> it works in chrome then?
[03:39] <HazRPG> haven't put it in the script yet, was just doing a cp of the .so
[03:40] <HazRPG> but it works in terminal, so would assume so ;)
[03:41] <HazRPG> oh, can't save heh vim it is
[03:41] <Cepheus> my desk chair is now a stool with wheel :/
[03:43] <HazRPG> haha yes!
[03:43]  * HazRPG kisses ali1234
[03:44] <HazRPG> ali1234: seriously, bout earlier if ya want a book mailed just ask :)
[03:45] <HazRPG> or similar
[03:46] <HazRPG> heh, just noticed npwrapper.libflashplayer in the about:plugins
[03:46] <HazRPG> wonder if the added lines was really needed
[03:46] <ali1234> well it probably sees all versions, it will only use one though
[03:46] <ali1234> no idea which one it would pick
[03:47] <HazRPG> ali1234: it definitely needs the LD_PRELOADER
[03:47] <HazRPG> just checked
[03:47] <ali1234> so it must be favouring it's built in 64 bit version. makes sense
[03:48] <HazRPG> for a second, I thought it was just picking up the .so from the directory
[03:48] <HazRPG> still, awesome hack though :D
[03:52] <HazRPG> ali1234: you know what, fullscreen actually works faster now too
[03:52] <ali1234> i suspect it's faster because it's not copying the whole size of your desktop pointlessly at each frame :)
[03:52] <ali1234> it's faster for me too
[03:53] <HazRPG> as in when it switches from 360p to 480p & 720p... but I guess other factors could be going in too
[03:53] <HazRPG> ali1234: I think your theory is better
[03:54]  * HazRPG have an urge to post this on my blog
[03:54] <HazRPG> has*
[03:54] <ali1234> i will probably throw up a page about it tomorrow
[03:55] <HazRPG> ali1234: cool, well if you do I'll help mirror the download
[03:55] <HazRPG> cos I can imagine you'll be getting a fair few hits
[03:55] <ali1234> i doubt it, and it's tiny anyway
[03:56] <HazRPG> I know at least 10 guys off the top of my head that'll love this hack too
[03:56] <ali1234> 3kb
[03:56] <ali1234> it's not exactly user-friendly either
[03:57] <HazRPG> if its well documented, I'm sure it'll be fine
[03:58] <ali1234> i see a lot of posts about it on ubuntuforums
[03:58] <HazRPG> like I said, it's a huge problem for many people
[03:58] <ali1234> apparently it affects ati people too
[03:59] <ali1234> i noticed while making this hack that nspluginwrapper already has a couple of similar hacks for various other bugs...
[03:59] <HazRPG> wow
[03:59] <HazRPG> seriously?
[04:00] <ali1234> yeah
[04:00] <HazRPG> guessing its for other ways of grabbing full-screen
[04:00] <ali1234> i dunno what they do. libnoxshm.so i guess disables xshm... it's disabled though
[04:00] <ali1234> there was another one
[04:00] <ali1234> both disabled
[04:00] <ali1234> doubt they are specific to flash
[04:01] <HazRPG> if they're disabled, I'm guessing they've been fixed over time but the files haven't been removed
[04:01] <ali1234> probably. and if you get fullscreen problems in any other app try running with the hack
[04:01] <HazRPG> unless it checks for it in the code
[04:01] <HazRPG> ali1234: ooo, think it would work for wine?
[04:02] <ali1234> maybe
[04:02] <ali1234> but i prefer to use wine virtual desktop
[04:02] <ali1234> it fixes other problems, like directx mouse grabbing
[04:02] <HazRPG> although, I've done a few tweaks here and there myself for wine stuff, its very very tedious, and doesn't work from one app to the next
[04:02] <HazRPG> ali1234: heh, that doesn't work for borderlands
[04:03] <HazRPG> I was testing it out the other day trying to get it to fullscreen properly in one window - but the mouse still wouldn't stay put
[04:03] <HazRPG> it was like a "keep track of the mouse location" game :P
[04:06] <HazRPG> I mean I have all boxes ticked on the graphics section, and with a few reg tweaks, a few file tweaks and some dll overrides I got it to fullscreen properly - keep meaning to post it up on wineHQ since no one has anything similar on there
[04:06] <HazRPG> but the mouse grab is the only issue
[04:06] <HazRPG> and I don't know if that's steams fault, or borderlands
[04:07] <HazRPG> or a lovely mix of the two
[04:07] <HazRPG> I know steams DirectX overlay is broken - in the sense that you can get rid of the pop ups in-game
[04:12] <HazRPG> can't*
[04:15] <HazRPG> however I might just be doing the mouse grab thing wrong thought
[04:15] <HazRPG> though*
[04:15] <ali1234> there's a box on the settings you can tick, don't think there is any more than that
[04:15] <HazRPG> there's a few reg tweaks too
[04:16] <ali1234> if the mouse is actually moving, the game is doing something dumb
[04:16] <HazRPG> yeah the mouse is actually going off screen, so it seems its not centring it right
[04:21] <HazRPG> wow ultimate doom actually works fine under wine
[04:22] <ali1234> why not use one of the free engines?
[04:22] <HazRPG> windows 7 would refuse to play it even though its going through dosbox
[04:22] <HazRPG> ali1234: yeah its also on my to-do list
[04:23] <HazRPG> winner the .wad's aren't DRMed :D
[04:23] <HazRPG> ooo, I wonder if I can get quake to run too
[04:24] <HazRPG> I bought lots of oldies from steam
[04:24] <HazRPG> was dead cheap over the xmas/new year
[04:24] <HazRPG> think the whole doom pack only cost me like £5 (inc doom 3)
[04:34] <HazRPG> ali1234: again, much thanks for the hack :)
[04:45] <HazRPG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG9SPywEGm4
[04:46] <HazRPG> :)
[05:48] <_sara_> hiii
[06:41] <HazRPG> hey
[06:41] <HazRPG> morning :)
[06:44] <_sara_> i am on an eeepc - urgh windows
[07:08] <HazRPG> ug
[07:08] <HazRPG> personally, I prefer ubuntu on my netbook :)
[07:09] <HazRPG> since it uses less resources, and works better
[07:19] <daubers> Morning
[07:24] <MartijnVdS> \o
[07:35] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS, daubers: morning \o
[07:35] <HazRPG> wow, this is scary piece of news, and has really shed some light for me (about ubuntu): http://www.linux-mag.com/id/8171/
[07:36] <daubers> HazRPG: That article is out of date
[07:36] <HazRPG> by 6 days...
[07:37] <HazRPG> unless things have changed since then?
[07:37] <daubers> http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/02/24/banshee-in-natty-to-ship-multiple-stores-and-contribute-to-gnome-foundation/
[07:37] <HazRPG> it was on the home page for linux mag
[07:38] <HazRPG> I wonder if that was in response to that article :P
[07:38] <daubers> HazRPG: It was in response to the general uproar
[07:39] <HazRPG> makes sense really
[07:39] <HazRPG> is there a news site that I'm missing that keeps these things up-to-date?
[07:39] <HazRPG> or an irc channel... or something
[07:40]  * HazRPG was googling for linux mag online stuff and ended up on said site previously
[07:40] <daubers> HazRPG: planet.ubuntu.org
[07:40] <daubers> .com sory
[07:41] <daubers> urgh
[07:41] <daubers> can't type this morning
[07:41] <HazRPG> the .org is a real site too O.o
[07:41] <daubers> HazRPG: Yeah, but not the one you want :)
[07:41] <HazRPG> indeed
[07:41] <HazRPG> daubers: any other sites I can add to the list :)
[07:41] <daubers> planet.ubuntu-uk.org
[07:42] <HazRPG> I have that one :P
[07:42] <daubers> :)
[07:42] <HazRPG> just general linux news really
[07:42] <daubers> Those are the main two in my feed reader
[07:42] <HazRPG> ooo, interesting thought, what feed reader do you use?
[07:43] <HazRPG> I mean I use to use Juice for Podcasts
[07:44]  * HazRPG currently looking at Liferea
[07:45] <daubers> reader.google.com
[07:46]  * daubers really should have a shower as he has to go to work in 30 minutes
[08:28] <kazade> Typical, the first time I try to program some Twitter oAuth stuff, Twitter goes over capacity :/
[09:00] <MooDoo> hello all
[09:09] <Myrtti> meh
[09:11] <MooDoo> Myrtti: that good eh!
[09:14] <daubers> o/
[09:15] <MooDoo> daubers: morning
[09:15]  * daubers has run out of sockets in the workshop :(
[09:15] <daubers> Time to run some sockets from the office upstairs down into here so I don't overload the fuse box
[09:18] <danfish> daubers: *what* are you running? Frankenstein's monster?
[09:19] <danfish> s/running/powering
[09:33] <daubers> danfish: 128TB cluster :)
[09:33] <daubers> plus 8 "clients"
[09:35] <daubers> danfish: At the moment it's popularly known as the workshop heater
[09:36] <daubers> or "That bloody racket"
[09:36] <danfish> :)
[09:38] <danfish> ...at the other end of the scale, me unwraps his guruplug, freshly delivered today
[09:39] <daubers> heh
[09:40] <danfish> the viglen finally processed it's last bit and went to the great processing unit in the sky
[09:43] <daubers> Meant to bring my viglen into the office today to start repurposing it
[09:43] <daubers> (again)
[09:47] <danfish> daubers: if oggcamp goes ahead, fancy helping with an arduino/embedded devices topic/talk?
[09:49] <daubers> Oooooh... could do
[09:49] <gord> arduino's look like sooo much fun, but i have forced myself not to purchase one until i have an actual use
[09:50] <daubers> My brother wants me to build him a "photobooth" for his wedding. If I have time to start on it by then I might be able to bring it with :)
[09:51] <danfish> daubers: cool - when/if it's announced we could throw up an etherpad for ideas.
[09:51] <daubers> \o/
[09:53] <danfish> gord: bah - 'use'. What does that really mean? Just think of the dosh you're saving by not having a TV licence...
[09:54] <gord> danfish, that gets spent on movies and tv blurays and such, i still buy tv, i just don't watch broadcast tv ;)
[09:54] <daubers> gord: I can turn the lights on and off in my house with one of mine :)
[09:57] <danfish> gord: one of mine that controls the garage door can cause serious head wounds due to my crap programming :(
[10:01] <gord> do you have any decapitation bugs filed in launchpad
[10:01] <gord> ?
[10:07] <danfish> yes, but they are a bit....truncated :P
[10:09] <gord> just be careful if someone confirms it... zombies
[10:13] <danfish> zombies - the brain eating I can get over, but that they all use KDE...repulsive
[10:31] <popey> morning all
[10:31] <MooDoo> morning
[10:31] <MooDoo> morning popey
[10:37] <alexcockell> Hi all..
[10:38] <alexcockell> Oh - something just came to my attention that I HAVE to share....
[10:38] <popey> uhoh
[10:38] <alexcockell> Seems like Sir Clive is trying again with his "personal electric transport" http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/04/sinclair_x1/
[10:39] <popey> thats a bit old now :)
[10:40] <popey> i think they reviewed it on the gadget show
[10:40] <popey> was unsurprisingly bad
[10:41] <alexcockell> Only just saw it mentioned... missed it at the time..
[10:42] <danfish> another howler from Sir Clive
[10:43] <alexcockell> DigitalSpy just linked to it..
[10:46] <alexcockell> I immediately went into hysterical laughter when reading about it - especially seeing the Youtube clip..
[10:46] <alexcockell> http://www.sinclairzx.com/spec-x-1.html
[10:46] <alexcockell> And how much did he haemorrhage on the original C5?
[10:52] <danfish> nothing compared to how much he haemorrhage on failed marriages ;)
[10:53] <danfish> s/haemorrhage/haemorrhaged
[10:54] <alexcockell> wb screen-x
[10:55] <alexcockell> And to think that one of the first aftermarket changes people made to a Speccy was to get... a decent keyboard...
[11:03] <popey> firsr thing I bought for my speccy was RAM
[11:03] <popey> and a joystick
[11:03] <popey> I never changed the keyboard from the original rubber one
[11:03] <popey> although I did own a 128+2 later
[11:08] <daubers> I never owned a rubber one, had the nice clunky placcy one in the 48k+
[11:10] <popey> mine cost 20 quid second hand in a record shop in Aldershot
[11:10] <popey> then I saved up for the memory upgrade :)
[11:10] <AlanBell> happy Saturday everyone
[11:20]  * alexcockell replaying Micro Men off my PVR..
[11:20] <alexcockell> Now - if the Beeb were to release it on DVD...
[11:22] <alexcockell> My family bought the DKTronics keyboard or a product somilar to it - the one where the Speccy and Interface 1 boards fitted inside it...
[11:54] <directhex> TEH WEBS!
[12:20]  * daubers considers an early lunch
[12:28] <AlanBell> daubers: call it "second breakfast" and leave your options open
[12:28] <Baikonur> i'm having a late lunch
[12:31] <daubers> or "That bloody racket"y
[12:31] <daubers> or "That blooddefais
[12:31] <daubers> truey
[12:31] <daubers> sudo serviiststart
[12:32] <daubers> clear
[12:32] <daubers> sudo nano /etc/ietd
[12:32] <ali1234> wat
[12:32] <daubers> urgh
[12:32] <daubers> urghAlias LUN1y
[12:33] <daubers> urghAlniiaa
[12:33] <daubers> sudo nano /etcre/ietd
[12:33] <daubers> clear
[12:33] <daubers> ls
[12:33] <ali1234> WAT
[12:33] <ali1234> daubers: ^
[12:33] <daubers> Sorry!
[12:34] <daubers> Set terminator to broadcast all, not group!
[12:34] <AlanBell> ah, you are back
[12:34] <AlanBell> I was about to quiet you before you started typing passwords!
[12:34]  * daubers moves this terminal into a different group
[12:35] <daubers> AlanBell: Doesn't matter, this set of boxes will only be running for a few hours, then be blatted, so lots of passwords of "password"
[12:36] <ali1234> does terminator broadcast mode stop if sudo asks for a password?
[12:36] <ali1234> because it should
[12:36] <Baikonur> actually, this is pretty much the exact time i normally eat
[12:36] <Baikonur> on weekends
[12:37] <ali1234> (if pam is configured for only interactive passwords)
[12:41] <ali1234> also, what kind of a shell command is "urgh"
[12:43] <daubers> it's in my irssi history
[12:50] <Pendulum> popey: can you PM me when you're around next?
[12:52] <dutchie> daubers has been writing imaginatively named scripts :)
[13:11] <gord> been using irc for 10-11 years now, still read "PM" as prime minister
[13:44] <brobostigon> afternoonings everyone.
[13:58] <jacobw> afternoon
[13:59] <brobostigon> afternoonings jacobw :)
[14:00] <alexcockell> HI brobo
[14:02] <brobostigon> afternoonings alexcockell :)
[14:44] <brobostigon> yay wales, :)
[15:17] <DarkProphet> good afternoon, i'm having trouble importing my music library from rhythm box to banshee in 10.10, its saying "Unable to Import song" for alot of them...anything I can do ?
[16:02] <daubers> I'm hearing a rumour that there's an updated nvidia driver for natty
[16:02] <daubers> true/false?
[16:04] <HazRPG> wow, that sucked
[16:04]  * brobostigon hugs HazRPG 
[16:04] <HazRPG> the internet was cut from 9am this morning till now
[16:05] <brobostigon> :(
[16:05] <HazRPG> brobostigon: yay :)
[16:05] <brobostigon> :)
[16:05] <HazRPG> I was in the middle of uploading some tests to show clients too :/
[16:06] <HazRPG> oh well
[16:06] <brobostigon> :(
[16:47] <Myrtti> mmmmmm nom
[16:48] <Myrtti> I made thai yellow chicken curry with potatoes, and my nephew asked me where do I get the recipies because I always cook so nommy food.
[16:48] <brobostigon> :)
[16:48] <Myrtti> he is the one in the family that is really picky about food
[16:48] <Myrtti> and now, I'm drinking a perry
[16:49] <Myrtti> watching a proggy about dolphins with mum, trying to fix phpbb and trying to login to minecraft
[16:49] <Myrtti> I'm sure saturdays could be better, but this is good enough for me given the circumstances.
[16:49] <Myrtti> yay.
[16:50] <mgdm> thai curry of more or less any form is excellent
[16:50]  * popey pokes AlanBell with http://sozi.baierouge.fr/wiki/en:welcome
[16:51]  * popey points X3N at the continued OOMs on ubuntu-uk.org
[16:51] <AlanBell> very nice
[16:52] <mgdm> popey: that WP/Apache OOM again?
[16:52] <popey> wp/apache/php or something, yes
[16:53] <popey> this time mysql got murdered
[16:56] <bigcalm[mob]> Afternoon peeps
[16:57] <MartijnVdS> \o mob of bigcalm
[16:57] <brobostigon> afternoonings bigcalm[mob]
[16:59] <bigcalm[mob]> Anything new happening?
[17:00] <brobostigon> downloading natty daily, to try out gnome3-team ppa.
[17:00] <bigcalm[mob]> Watch Paul tonight. Anybody here seen it yet?
[17:02] <mgdm> bigcalm[mob]: I'm off to see it tonight too
[17:04] <siya_> Any suggestions for "read serial port: Resource temporarily unavailable"
[17:04] <siya_> trying to putty to a serial port
[17:04] <MartijnVdS> siya_: port already in use by another program
[17:04] <siya_> minicom worked for a few seconds and is now really flakey
[17:04] <MartijnVdS> siya_: port with specified name not existing
[17:04] <bigcalm[mob]> I guess not
[17:04] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm[mob]: paul? the alien movie thing?
[17:04] <siya_> ttyS0 does exist, how to I clear the damn port?
[17:05] <MartijnVdS> siya_: fuser /dev/ttyS0
[17:05] <MartijnVdS> siya_: see which process is still using it
[17:06] <siya_> MartijnVdS, nada...
[17:06] <MartijnVdS> siya_: what does "screen /dev/ttyS0" say?
[17:07] <siya_> hmmm sudo fuser does show something
[17:07] <MartijnVdS> (if it works, you can "hang up" using Ctrl+A then k)
[17:07] <MartijnVdS> siya_: ah, modem-manager, perhaps?
[17:07] <ali1234> if there is a modem on the port, network-manager may be trying to control it
[17:08] <siya_> Aaaargh!!! It's assigned to a virtual machine
[17:08] <MartijnVdS> if there isn't, it might be trying to poke it to find out if the thing that's attached to is a modem :)
[17:08] <siya_> hence minicom had issues and Putty won't touch it at all
[17:08] <ali1234> it should only do that one time
[17:08] <brobostigon> bye all, have a good evening.
[17:08] <siya_> tx MartijnVdS
[17:08] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: it might take a while if it needs the commands ti time out though
[17:08] <ali1234> maybe
[17:09]  * siya_ kills the vm
[17:40] <HazRPG> ooo the new podcast season sounds like its going to be fun :)
[17:41] <HazRPG> hmm, how rare
[17:41] <HazRPG> rhythmbox seems to think all my downloads for the podcasts failed - but they all sound fine
[17:49] <jacobw> HazRPG: I've had that problem
[17:49] <jacobw> Rhythm sucks at downloading stuff
[17:50]  * jacobw -> away
[17:50] <HazRPG> jacobw: I've never had problems with Rhythm before
[17:50] <HazRPG> jacobw: I just downloaded Liferea for subscribing to RSS feeds, it seems pretty awesome :)
[17:51] <HazRPG> might use it for downloads too
[18:01] <X3N> popey: this time there was no php memory errors.. :(
[18:02] <X3N> i see it wasn't rebooted..
[18:02] <X3N> I think the kernel is foobared
[18:03] <X3N> or we just don't have the resources on the server that the system needs
[18:06] <safiyyah> ubuntu has crashed, I managed to boot it back up, I have loaded a disk to reinstall and it says it can't open autorun
[18:06] <safiyyah> please help
[18:07] <X3N> what does "ubuntu has crashed" mean?
[18:08] <safiyyah> as in applications not loading, it's not booting up
[18:08] <safiyyah> without trying over and over again
[18:08] <safiyyah> firefox isnt working
[18:09] <safiyyah> not connecting to the net, evolution is having the same problem. Opera is working though
[18:09] <safiyyah> so I figure I need a clean install
[18:12] <X3N> very odd
[18:12] <X3N> are you able to boot off the cd or usb?
[18:14] <safiyyah> no cds not booting
[18:14] <safiyyah> I tired karmic and lucid
[18:15] <safiyyah> tried*
[18:15] <safiyyah> karmic booted but then my monitor said it couldn't pick up the signal
[18:17] <X3N> is it quite an old machine?
[18:17] <safiyyah> no
[18:17] <X3N> or old monitor?
[18:17] <safiyyah> new
[18:17] <safiyyah> new monitor
[18:17] <safiyyah> i bought everything last yea
[18:17] <safiyyah> year*
[18:19] <popey> X3N: as I pointed out previously, I had exactly the same issue/setup on my vps, and switched from Apache to Lighttpd and this never happens now
[18:21] <X3N> I don't not believe you, it's just I'm trying to see what the root of the problem is
[18:21] <safiyyah> you welcome to have a look at my system
[18:21] <safiyyah> it all started last night
[18:21] <safiyyah> and now i only have a few working applications
[18:23] <X3N> safiyyah: what happens when you try and launch and application from a terminal
[18:23] <safiyyah> okay let me try
[18:23] <safiyyah> firefox?
[18:23] <X3N> yeah
[18:23] <X3N> anything that doesn't currecntly work
[18:24] <safiyyah> okay firefox is loading.. which it was... it's just not loading pages
[18:27] <X3N> so you don't have an internet connection?
[18:27] <safiyyah> i do
[18:27] <safiyyah> am using xchat with the next connection
[18:27] <safiyyah> and opera browser is loading up pages
[18:28] <safiyyah> evolution is also unable to get mail too
[18:29] <safiyyah> when i try to run the ubuntu live disk, it says:
[18:29] <safiyyah> Cannot find the autorun program
[18:30] <X3N> are you running the ubuntu live disk on your machine while it's booted?
[18:31] <X3N> or are you rebooting with the cd in the drive and then booting off it?
[18:31] <safiyyah> when i try to boot off the disk, it doesnt load
[18:31] <safiyyah> when I try to boot it while the machine is booted it doesnt respond
[18:34] <X3N> have you tested the boot disk to make sure it's fine?
[18:34] <suprengr> safiyyah: when your browser loads a page - are you sure it's not just loading from cache? what happens if you ask it to refresh? [~& tried other other CDs in your drive? maybe CD or drive is borked]
[18:34] <safiyyah> it wont even load the menu for me to check disk errors
[18:34] <safiyyah> it goes straight to live disk
[18:35] <safiyyah> i have tried other CDS and media disks are loading fine
[18:35] <safiyyah> all ubuntu disks are not loading... they go straight to live media which doesn't successfully load
[18:36] <suprengr> safiyyah: you mean that when you boot from cd it goes to live install directly?
[18:36] <suprengr> s/install/load
[18:37] <safiyyah> okay let me try
[18:37] <safiyyah> is this from the command line BEFORE you boot in?
[18:37] <safiyyah> can i do it from the terminal now
[18:38] <suprengr> from a complete shutdown and startup with cd in
[18:39] <safiyyah> okay am rebooting
[18:41] <suprengr> .. o/ hi everyone
[18:42]  * suprengr confesses to feeling good... suprengr 's got a day off!
[18:42] <MichealH> Errors were encountered while processing:
[18:43] <MichealH>  python2.7-minimal
[18:43] <MichealH> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[18:43] <MichealH> Anyone getting this in maverick?
[18:43] <mgdm> what were the errors?
[18:43] <DJones> MichealH: It would help if you said what you were doing at the time the error appeared
[18:44] <MichealH> I did sudo apt-get install pidgin
[18:44] <MichealH> it also happens when installing unity ect.
[18:45] <MichealH> I know what this issue is, I think
[18:45] <MichealH> the repo's o not have a newer version of it
[18:45] <MichealH> Apparently I have to force annother version in, but I cannot fix it permenantly
[18:47] <MichealH> Anyone?
[18:48] <mgdm> done an apt-get update recently?
[18:48] <DJones> MichealH: I'm not sure, maybe pastebin the complete error message
[18:48] <MichealH> Ummm, let me try that
[18:49] <MichealH> DJones, http://paste.ubuntu.com/572747/
[18:49] <MichealH> mgdm, It seems I cannot apt-gt update the lock is now on :/
[18:50] <AlanBell> sudo
[18:50] <MichealH> I am running it as root
[18:50] <MichealH> I think instlling it is breaking apt
[18:50] <mgdm> ah, something else is working at the same time
[18:51] <MichealH> Its updating
[18:51] <MichealH> I removed the lock
[18:55] <MichealH> Still not solved
[18:55] <MichealH> mgdm, Nothing was wroking at that time
[18:56] <MichealH> DJones, Ideas?
[18:56] <MichealH> AlanBell, ?
[18:57] <AlanBell> MichealH: do sudo apt-get upgrade |pastebinit
[18:58] <MichealH> pastebinit is not installed and I think i cant install it
[18:58] <MichealH> :/
[18:58] <AlanBell> ah, ok]
[18:59] <AlanBell> looks like your python2.7-minimal package may be broken
[18:59] <MichealH> I can try :P
[18:59] <AlanBell> I will try upgrading a bit later
[19:00] <MichealH> But, Its broke?
[19:00] <MichealH> Can I fix broken packages?
[19:01]  * MichealH downloads from package.ubuntu.com and tries installing the .deb
[19:03] <MichealH> "There seems to be an error in aptdaemon..." WTH
[19:05] <Baikonur> your something is broken
[19:06] <MichealH> I got told python2.7-minimal is broken
[19:06] <MichealH> How do I fix that?
[19:07] <DJones> MichealH: Googling doesn't even bring anything up for that error, the only thing I can see is "there seems to be a programming error in aptdaemon."
[19:08] <MichealH> hmmm
[19:09] <HazRPG> haha, you guys will definitely appreciate this: http://www.makeuseof.com/tech-fun/an-update-is-available-for-your-computer/
[19:10] <MichealH> HazRPG, HAHAHAHAHA
[19:10] <MichealH> epic
[19:10] <HazRPG> MichealH: isn't it just :P
[19:14] <ali1234> wow http://www.makeuseof.com/tech-fun/must-see-ipad-2-video-review/
[19:15] <ali1234> someone had the same idea i had
[19:15] <ali1234> thing is, i can see that actually happening
[19:18] <Azelphur> ali1234: haha
[19:19] <ali1234> if it was cheap enough and light enough, why not?
[19:20] <HazRPG> ali1234: hehe :P
[19:20] <X3N> apache seems to have totally killed it's self
[19:20] <ali1234> it's not exactly a million miles away from this: http://www.heyokay.com/images/Ghetto%20Blaster.jpg
[19:22] <HazRPG> ali1234: xD I own one of those
[19:24] <ali1234> a portable stereo?
[19:24] <HazRPG> yeah :P
[19:25] <HazRPG> takes 6 D batteries! >_<
[19:28] <HazRPG> I've actually seen people do this... http://www.makeuseof.com/tech-fun/how-to-find-out-if-a-girl-likes-you-facebook-hack/
[19:39]  * MartijnVdS watches an old Voyager ep
[19:40] <mgdm> DS9 is vastly better
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: don't have those (yet)
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: also, some Voy eps are good
[19:41] <mgdm> the vast majority are pants, though :P
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: "The Chute"
[19:41] <gord> next generation is the only ones worth watching but voyager is especially bad :P
[19:41] <mgdm> there's one episode so bad the production team disowned it
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> Threshold :)
[19:42] <mgdm> that's it :)
[19:43]  * MartijnVdS knows too much 8-)
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> too much Star Trek, that is
[19:45] <HazRPG> ali1234: you might like this: http://www.makeuseof.com/tech-fun/write-in-c-catchy-song-for-programmers/
[19:45] <X3N> gord: any good with apache2 ?
[19:46] <HazRPG> X3N: what's up?
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: don't forget ♫ We All Live in a Windows Subroutine
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: and ♫ Deadlock Holiday
[19:46] <mgdm> At least it's not the free software song
[19:46] <mgdm> with our without Jono
[19:46] <HazRPG> :P
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: JOIN US NOW AND SHARE THE SOFTWARE
[19:47] <mgdm> NOOOOOO
[19:47] <X3N> HazRPG: apache2 is sending out the http response header then closing the connection
[19:47] <lunchie> lo HazRPG
[19:48] <HazRPG> Lunchie: sup dude :)
[19:48] <HazRPG> X3N: hmm, is this a recent problem, or have you just installed it?
[19:48] <lunchie> not much just bored at work all hail mobile phone irc
[19:49] <HazRPG> Lunchie: haha, nice :P
[19:49] <X3N> it's a recent problem
[19:50] <HazRPG> Lunchie: for some reason my irc client thinks there's two of you online :s
[19:50] <HazRPG> X3N: hmm, caused by an update or have you been changing any settings?
[19:50] <lunchie> oops probs left pidgin on at home
[19:50] <HazRPG> Lunchie: hehe
[19:51] <HazRPG> Lunchie: You still working at the place near me?
[19:53] <HazRPG> X3N: I'm guessing apache2 isn't just randomly closing.
[19:53] <X3N> it's alright, it was just php fooling me
[19:54] <HazRPG> ah
[19:56] <lunchie> HazRPG,  na dude not since just before christmas, just in raffles near me  now
[19:57] <HazRPG> Lunchie: ah, was going to say I'd pop round for a bit if you were :P
[19:57] <HazRPG> bore out of my skull!
[19:57] <HazRPG> s/bore/bored*
[20:07] <brobostigon> evening everyone.
[20:08] <HazRPG> brobostigon: evening dude :)
[20:08] <brobostigon> HazRPG: evening :)
[20:10] <Baikonur> i'm gonna bore out of my skull
[20:11] <HazRPG> Baikonur: that's quite a task your taking on there :P
[20:13] <shauno> Trying to do an OS install using only text-to-speech is a bit of a mind bender :/
[20:13] <mgdm> o_O
[20:14] <HazRPG> shauno: it can't be done man! Your crazy! That's crazy talk! O.o
[20:17] <shauno> completely offtopic. Installing osx with no screen. Just headphones and keyboard. Whole new level of respect for a11y devs
[20:18] <AlanBell> shauno: that could be done with Lucid, got broken in Maverick
[20:18] <AlanBell> it was somewhat rubbish in Lucid mind
[20:19] <AlanBell> I am planning on trying it and filing bugs in Natty
[20:21] <shauno> It's almost like an old school text game. You are currently in a text field inside a table. Currently selected: United States
[20:21] <mgdm> GO NORTH
[20:22] <X3N> popey: I've had a great idea, why don't we just use lighthttpd ?
[20:22] <AlanBell> shauno: have you tried orca in Ubuntu?
[20:22] <X3N> ;)
[20:22] <mgdm> Try lighttpd, it's better
[20:22]  * mgdm runs :P
[20:22] <X3N> more t's more better
[20:22] <mgdm> s/more/moar/g
[20:23]  * AlanBell runs quite a few wordpress instances on ubuntu+apache with no ill effects
[20:23] <shauno> AlanBell: I haven't. Linux gives me more sensible options for installing on broken boxes
[20:23] <X3N> AlanBell: do you run them on VMs using xen?
[20:24]  * X3N thinks this is the issue
[20:24] <AlanBell> X3N: some are in a bytemark VPS that I think uses Xen, others are in KVM VMs on our hardware
[20:24] <popey> lol X3N
[20:25] <popey> AlanBell: how much traffic?
[20:25] <X3N> bytemark use KVM
[20:25] <AlanBell> popey: been slashdotted a few times
[20:25] <mgdm> could you do something like pipe the output of ps aux to a file periodically to see what's eating the RAM? (or something more elaborate if you have it available)
[20:25] <mgdm> also, I highly recommend Varnish (varnish-cache.org) :)
[20:25] <popey> slashdotted since being on 10.04 / php 5.3 and wp 3.x?
[20:26] <X3N> mgdm: we can see what's happening, apache2 eats ram like a crazy so and so on the lightest of hammering
[20:26] <mgdm> X3N: ah, i was confused by MySQL being killed earlier
[20:27] <popey> the linux oom killer is not discriminatory! :D
[20:27] <X3N> that's because a oom-killer was sent out by apache
[20:27] <popey> the bullet had ORACLE written on it
[20:27] <popey> uh, I mean MYSQL
[20:27] <mgdm> same difference
[20:27] <mgdm> :P
[20:28] <HazRPG> I might be wrong, but this is about minecraft: http://page2rss.com/p/60da15d948c8acb893cb122bd4b8a896_5332743_5341491
[20:28] <AlanBell> popey: 10,000 views per month
[20:28] <AlanBell> however it is on debian
[20:28] <popey> right, so no.
[20:29] <popey> i dont know what the issue is, but its some combo of ubuntu 10.04, apache, mysql, wp 3.x and php 5.3
[20:29] <popey> fab had the same issue on his vps
[20:29] <popey> ended up switching to centos
[20:29] <X3N> I'm pretty sure it's a kernel issue around memory management
[20:30] <X3N> I ran the same benchmark on my bytemark vm and it didn't flinch, it has an older verison of wp though
[20:31] <X3N> but the comparison in how quickly ubuntu-uk.org fell to it's knees suggests something is pretty wrong at a kernel level
[20:31] <popey> try the same benchmark with lighty
[20:32] <mgdm> at least if you're runnign Lighty and it *is* php, the process will likely get killed and restarted automagically
[20:32] <popey> i have monitored a box whilst its doing this
[20:32] <popey> and it is apache eating ram
[20:32] <mgdm> popey: running mod_php?
[20:32] <popey> the kernel is just doing its job of reaping processes
[20:32] <popey> mgdm: either
[20:32] <mgdm> Oh, mod_php or fastcgi?
[20:32] <popey> either :)
[20:32] <mgdm> OK
[20:33] <X3N> I suspect lighty may use different methods of mem allocation given it's design to be less resource intensive
[20:33] <mgdm> If it was a problem with PHP I'd be more able to perhaps get it fixed
[20:33] <mgdm> but I don't know a lot about Apache's guts
[20:33] <mgdm> (as
[20:33] <mgdm> (aside from as a user)
[20:34] <AlanBell> !info zoomtext
[20:35] <mgdm> !info apache
[20:35] <mgdm> !info httpd
[20:35] <mgdm> !info apache2
[20:35] <mgdm> (apologies for the spam)
[20:36] <X3N> mgdm: it could be php causing the problem via the connector
[20:36] <mgdm> X3N: if it happens in fastcgi then it would show up as the PHP processes eating ram, not apache2
[20:39] <mgdm> I woudl also argue that even if it was some interaction with PHP that makes it happen, it shouldn't be possible for it to happen :)
[20:39] <X3N> agreed
[20:40] <mgdm> You using apache in prefork mode?
[20:41] <mgdm> I was about to say could you pastebin the config somewhere private, but it's in loads of files...
[20:41] <X3N> is that a module?
[20:42] <popey> no
[20:42] <popey> yes, we are using prefork
[20:42] <mgdm> what's your MaxClients?
[20:43] <X3N> 150
[20:43] <mgdm> o_O
[20:43] <mgdm> that should probably be considerably lower
[20:43] <X3N> lol yeah
[20:44] <popey> I had it as low as 20 on my vps
[20:44] <popey> still OOMed
[20:44] <X3N> actually that's the default mgdm so..
[20:44] <mgdm> X3N: yeah - maybe stick it down a bit
[20:44] <mgdm> good practice even if it doesn't help the immediate issue
[20:45]  * mgdm -> pub
[20:47] <X3N> php can be quite slow to release memory for reallocation, maybe we have a leak and the time between marking for reallocation is longer than the next request
[20:48] <mgdm> still wouldn't explain it happening in fastcgi mode
[20:49] <X3N> I don't think we're using fastcgi mode?
[20:49] <mgdm> popey says it happens in both
[20:49] <X3N> oh
[21:00] <Safiyyah> Okay so, yesterday firefox stopped accessing the internet and so did evolution. I rebooted today and got a black screen with an error message, I tried loading an Ubuntu live disk but no success. Somehow on the next boot up ubuntu scanned for errors and booted up. still with no working firefox or evolution. I came back here and got some ideas on running the live disk
[21:01] <Safiyyah> I backed up my work, ran the live disk and got a successful installation, afterwhich when I rebooted I also got the same black screen with an error message. I have literally written the whole message and types in on pastebin
[21:01] <Safiyyah> http://paste.ubuntu.com/572793/
[21:02] <Safiyyah> please excuse any minor errors with spacing
[21:02] <Safiyyah> i am now running a fedora live disk
[21:02] <Safiyyah> which is working with no problem
[21:02] <Safiyyah> and that is what am using to speak
[21:02] <Safiyyah> what has happened and how do I get a working system back?
[21:03] <X3N> that looks like the livedisk is broken
[21:03] <Safiyyah> those errors are from my hard drive
[21:03] <Safiyyah> and it was the same error BEFORE i did a clean install
[21:04] <AlanBell> grub isn't working right
[21:04] <Safiyyah> okay well how to proceed
[21:04] <Safiyyah> I have backed everything I need up
[21:04] <Darael> I'm having some problems with Flash in 64-bit Ubuntu.  I know, I know... in any case, pressing the shift key is registered, but releasing it doesn't seem to be, unless there's a text-entry area in the Flash.
[21:05] <Safiyyah> i have 3 ubuntu disks, hardy,  karmic and lucid
[21:05] <Safiyyah> and karmic doesnt run live with my drivers
[21:05] <Safiyyah> it never did
[21:05] <Safiyyah> it runs on the pc but the monitor says it is not receiving any information
[21:06] <Safiyyah> so ... should I install fedora, download ubuntu again, make a new live disk?
[21:06] <Safiyyah> there seems to be a newer ubuntu 10.10?
[21:06] <penguin42> Darael: Two questions; are you running 64bit or 32bit flash, which browser and are you running desktop effects?
[21:06] <AlanBell> Safiyyah: I think grub is confused about which disk your operating system is on
[21:06] <penguin42> erm, make that 3
[21:06] <AlanBell> Safiyyah: can you tell us more about how your disk(s) are partitioned?
[21:07] <AlanBell> Darael: what website should one go to in order to reproduce your issue?
[21:08] <AlanBell> Darael: how do you know shift is pressed if there is no entry field in which to type?
[21:09] <Safiyyah> yes I have swap, root, home and storage partitions
[21:10] <Safiyyah> storage is 389 gb I just dumb my media there
[21:10] <Safiyyah> dump*
[21:11] <X3N> 10.10 might be a better bet, seeming that you're having driver issues with the current live installer
[21:11] <X3N> the only other possibility is that you've changed your harddisk configuration since installing and not updated grub
[21:11] <X3N> -only
[21:12] <Safiyyah> havent touched it
[21:12] <AlanBell> can you pastebin the output of sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda
[21:12] <Darael> AlanBell: I was bored and playing flash games, where the effect is noticeable.
[21:12] <AlanBell> and do you have one big disk or several?
[21:12] <AlanBell> so is there an sdb?
[21:12] <Safiyyah> AlanBell:  am on a fedora live disk yeah?
[21:13] <AlanBell> Safiyyah: ok, well however you get root on that
[21:13] <AlanBell> su perhaps
[21:13] <Darael> penguin42: Compiz is on, it happens in both Chromium and Firefox, and I am using flash from the repos (so 32-bit w/ nspluginwrapper) but remember it happening wth 64-bit flash.
[21:13] <AlanBell> Darael: link please
[21:13] <Darael> AlanBell: http://www.kongregate.com/games/krispykrem/kohctpyktop-engineer-of-the-people
[21:14] <penguin42> Darael: There have been various flash/nspluggin/compiz interactions in the past where removing compiz has helped - it's worth a try
[21:14] <Darael> penguin42: I'll give that a go then.
[21:15] <HazRPG> ali1234: hehe, I love your little hack you made :)
[21:15] <AlanBell> Darael: nope, works fine for me
[21:15]  * HazRPG clicks fullscreen
[21:15] <AlanBell> I can draw red things and yellow things with shift
[21:15] <Safiyyah> lol
[21:15] <Safiyyah> i dont know anything about fedora, it was just my only other disk to try
[21:16] <Safiyyah> this is the error message i got
[21:16] <Darael> AlanBell: That's what I expect.  However, it gets stuck on yellow.  It eventually returned to N-type but now I can't get it to go back to P-type.
[21:16] <Safiyyah> http://paste.ubuntu.com/572805/
[21:17] <Darael> penguin42: Still happening with metacity.
[21:17] <Safiyyah> nope
[21:17] <penguin42> Darael: Hmm ok, not that one then :-)
[21:17] <AlanBell> Safiyyah: try just typing su
[21:17] <AlanBell> then hit return
[21:17] <AlanBell> that might give you a # prompt
[21:17] <Safiyyah> ah got it
[21:17] <Safiyyah> :)
[21:18] <AlanBell> fdisk -l /dev/sda
[21:18] <AlanBell> without the sudo now (don't need it as you are root)
[21:18] <Safiyyah> http://paste.ubuntu.com/572807/
[21:19] <Safiyyah> there is an extra dir i dont know about
[21:19] <Safiyyah> sda1
[21:20] <Safiyyah> sda is root
[21:20] <Safiyyah> sda 2 is root rather
[21:20] <Baikonur> sda1 is the root of all evil
[21:21] <Safiyyah> sda 3 is home and sda 4 is storage and then sda 5 is swap
[21:21] <Safiyyah> so sda 1... i dont know where it came from
[21:21] <Safiyyah> lol
[21:22] <Safiyyah> Baikonur:
[21:22] <Darael> Well, if we're out of ideas I shall go to #ubuntu.  Thanks anyway, AlanBell, penguin42.
[21:22] <Safiyyah> lol
[21:22] <penguin42> Darael: sorry, not heard the problem with only shift before
[21:23] <hamitron> Safiyyah: sda5 is inside sda1
[21:23] <Darael> penguin42: Yeah, I searched but I couldn't find anything.
[21:24] <Safiyyah> hamitron:  is this the crocks of my problem?
[21:24] <hamitron> I not read your problem, but was just explaining what sda1 is ;)
[21:24]  * AlanBell returns with coffee and cake
[21:25] <penguin42> ooh cake
[21:25] <AlanBell> Safiyyah: just going to look for a guide for you
[21:25] <Safiyyah> i wanted some cake too
[21:25]  * Safiyyah pouting
[21:25] <AlanBell> MINE
[21:25] <Safiyyah> share!
[21:25] <AlanBell> hands off :)
[21:26] <AlanBell> there is this, which isn't quite what I was looking for https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[21:27] <AlanBell> in fact sorry, totally wrong
[21:27] <AlanBell> this one is informative https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[21:28] <AlanBell> this is what I was looking for https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[21:28] <AlanBell> should be possible to use that guide to get grub reinstalled and looking at the right partitions
[21:29] <AlanBell> or, you could download 10.10 and install that and hope it just works (should do)
[21:29] <AlanBell> mmmm cake
[21:30] <hamitron> :)
[21:30] <bigcalm> Hi kids
[21:30] <hamitron> bigcalm :)
[21:31]  * Safiyyah shaking my head
[21:32] <Safiyyah> Alan what am I supposed to do about any of this when I cant get into ubuntu in the first place
[21:33] <AlanBell> well I *think* it should all be doable from the Fedora live CD
[21:34] <AlanBell> however I might be wrong, especially if Fedora uses a very different version of grub (not sure)
[21:34] <Safiyyah> it uses grub legacy
[21:34] <Safiyyah> 0.97
[21:34] <AlanBell> oh :(
[21:35] <hamitron> could you use loadlin?
[21:35]  * AlanBell thinks downloading 10.10 is the way forward
[21:36] <shauno> loadlin needs real dos, rather than any windows made in the last 10 years
[21:36] <hamitron> yeh
[21:37] <hamitron> or couldn't you boot off a live cd, and chroot to the ubuntu install?
[21:37] <shauno> That's more difficult to find than a copy of 10.10 these days :)
[21:37] <Safiyyah> lol
[21:38] <Safiyyah> am not hardcore like u guys
[21:38] <Safiyyah> am not an expert
[21:38] <Safiyyah> problem: at mount | tail -1
[21:38] <Safiyyah> it gives me live session as my current mount point
[21:38] <Safiyyah> let me paste bin
[21:39] <Safiyyah> http://paste.ubuntu.com/572814/
[21:39] <Safiyyah> so i dont have access to my ubuntu hard drive
[21:40] <popey> uh
[21:40] <popey> you're not quite doing it right
[21:40] <Safiyyah> AND i have to DVD drives on my pc, so i could still make a live disk
[21:40] <Safiyyah> but againt the second drive isnt working
[21:40] <Safiyyah> yes its plugged in properly
[21:40] <popey> but I am too drunk to explain how to do it properly
[21:40] <Safiyyah> the machine has just decided to hate me right now
[21:40] <hamitron> shame on you popey ;)
[21:40] <bigcalm> popey: did you kill mc.net?
[21:40] <Safiyyah> two* DVD drives
[21:41] <popey> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/01/29/%23ubuntu-classroom.html#t14:06
[21:41] <popey> that may help
[21:41] <popey> it describes how to fix a broken machine
[21:44] <hamitron> right, I've made a list of stuff to remove from my gaming rig, so now to decide how many comps I need running to do them all :)
[21:44] <hamitron> has anyone used skype on a 500mhz cpu?
[21:48] <Safiyyah> so my system started going mad after the last update i did on ubuntu
[21:48] <Safiyyah> these updates are going to become this scary?
[21:49] <AlanBell> not normally!
[21:49] <AlanBell> updates usually just work
[21:55] <ali1234> HazRPG, Azelphur, popey, MartijnVdS: http://al.robotfuzz.com/content/workaround-fullscreen-flash-linux-multiheaded-desktops
[21:55] <ali1234> (and anyone else who has problems with flash on multihead)
[21:55] <HazRPG> hurray! \o/
[21:56]  * HazRPG giggles because he got to use the hack before others :)
[21:56] <Azelphur> ali1234: awesome
[22:03] <HazRPG> ali1234: what's new in 0.2?
[22:04]  * HazRPG says as he opens up the code
[22:04] <ali1234> i just cleaned out unused #includes and updated the documentation
[22:06] <HazRPG> ali1234: noticed, nice one :)
[22:07] <daubers> Hmmm
[22:07] <daubers> Minecraft still being dumb
[22:07]  * daubers goes back to playing Pokemon
[22:08] <HazRPG> daubers: :o! Black/White?
[22:09] <daubers> HazRPG: Nope
[22:09] <Baikonur> perl > ruby
[22:10]  * HazRPG can't wait for black/white
[22:10] <Baikonur> i can
[22:10] <HazRPG> Baikonur: ?
[22:10] <daubers> HazRPG: HeartGold
[22:10] <Baikonur> i haven't played any pokemon since blue
[22:10] <HazRPG> daubers: cool :)
[22:10] <HazRPG> Baikonur: I still do from time to time
[22:10] <ali1234> i haven't played any pokemon since red
[22:11] <daubers> still have yellow around somewhere
[22:11] <HazRPG> I've still got yellow around too
[22:11] <HazRPG> and green
[22:11] <HazRPG> although, green was hard to play for it being all in jap
[22:13] <HazRPG> slowly get use to it
[23:48] <Azelphur> make huge tower of TNT on minecraft, detonate, profit, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/February%202011/2011-02-26-234523_3840x1200_scrot.png
[23:49] <hamitron> profit?
[23:50] <Azelphur> indeed
[23:51] <hamitron> I can't even connect to the site to re-install the game
[23:51] <hamitron> :/
[23:52] <hamitron> but at least my gaming rig is slowly getting cleaner
[23:52] <Azelphur> :)
[23:52] <hamitron> although, for some weird reason, libreoffice won't uninstall