[11:47] <shanttu> Hello. Could someone help to configure my settings so that I should not force-reload alsa every single time on login to get sound working. I have an USB-soundcard.
[15:04] <doodie> panning in Ardour on Stereo Tracks doesn't seem to work
[15:22] <doodie> [solved]
[15:45] <holstein> shanttu: hey
[15:46] <holstein> elaborate on your issue if you will
[15:46] <shanttu> holstein hello
[15:47] <shanttu> holstein everytime I login, sound is muted. I check alsamixer and I only see pcm and it's good. When I reload Alsa sound works again.
[15:48] <holstein> shanttu: how about if the USB device is not plugged in?
[15:48] <holstein> everything is normal?
[15:49] <shanttu> holsteinholstein I have disabled internal card from pavucontrol because I don't need it
[15:50] <holstein> how about in the bios?
[15:50] <holstein> can you disable the internal card there?
[15:51] <shanttu> I guess it's possible, but I need that with Traktor when using Windows, so I want that to be the last option
[15:51] <holstein> well, maybe just as a trouble-shooting step
[15:51] <holstein> when you login and its broken
[15:51] <holstein> before reloading alsa
[15:51] <holstein> run in a terminal
[15:52] <holstein> aplay -l
[15:52] <holstein> and
[15:52] <holstein> arecord -l
[15:52] <holstein> see if you see any device at all
[15:52] <holstein> what USB device?
[15:52] <shanttu> it is there, I know
[15:53] <holstein> what is where?
[15:53] <shanttu> holstein: card is Emagic Emi 2 6, works fine
[15:54] <shanttu> the udb-card is recognized on startup
[15:54] <holstein> so, whats the problem?
[15:55] <shanttu> Problem is that I cannot get any sound without force-reloading alsa every single time I reboot
[15:55] <der_On> hi there
[15:55] <holstein> shanttu: OK, so its not 'fine' then
[15:55] <holstein> shanttu: how about, if you start the machine
[15:55] <holstein> login
[15:55] <holstein> THEN plug the USB device?
[15:55] <holstein> does that work as expected?
[15:56] <holstein> or do you need to force-reload ?
[15:56] <holstein> der_On: o/
[15:57] <holstein> shanttu: there is a few cases when i use alsa force-reload
[15:57] <holstein> i have an EEEpc 1001p
[15:57] <holstein> and when i want to run JACK
[15:57] <der_On> I've just installed a fresh ubuntu studio maverick and let the update manager update all stuff (so I moved to a new kernel) and wanted to try to start jack but as soon as I open JackQtrl it says this:
[15:57] <der_On> Cannot connect to server socket err = Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden Cannot connect to server socket jack server is not running or cannot be started
[15:58] <holstein> usually, i would say 8 times out of 10
[15:58] <holstein> JACK wont start
[15:58] <shanttu> holstein I'll try reboot without card plugged in
[15:58] <holstein> im assuming because something is holding onto the internal sound card
[15:58] <holstein> so, when i want to start JACK
[15:59] <holstein> i reload alsa
[15:59] <holstein> der_On: jack server is running
[16:00] <der_On> holstein: is that a question?
[16:00] <holstein> der_On: nope ;)
[16:00] <holstein> thats what the error message is telling us
[16:00] <holstein> der_On: jack server is not running *
[16:00] <holstein> sorry
[16:01] <holstein> der_On: try closing that
[16:01] <holstein> that = jack control
[16:01] <holstein> and run
[16:01] <holstein> sudo qjackctl
[16:01] <holstein> from a terminal
[16:01] <holstein> der_On: and tell me if JACK starts
[16:02] <der_On> Home directory /home/soundstudio not ours. Cannot connect to server socket err = Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden Cannot connect to server socket jack server is not running or cannot be started
[16:03] <holstein> der_On: thats as root?
[16:03] <der_On> But qjackctl will start jack if I press "start" or not?
[16:03] <holstein> der_On: does it?
[16:03] <der_On> holstein: yes as root
[16:03] <holstein> you have to press start for JACK to start
[16:03] <holstein> and the 'messages' window
[16:03] <holstein> can have a log of old stuff
[16:03] <holstein> der_On: SO, just to be clear
[16:04] <holstein> when you run, sudo qjackctl
[16:04] <holstein> JACK will start?
[16:04] <holstein> when you hit the start button?
[16:05] <holstein> shanttu: whats the word?
[16:05] <holstein> the good word :)
[16:05] <shanttu> holstein: no sound I attach the USB-device after reboot. PCM is set to zero.
[16:06] <der_On> holstein: ok jack starts after I hit "start", also it can't find artsshell.sh
[16:06] <holstein> der_On: thats how it works
[16:06] <holstein> you have to hit the start button
[16:06] <holstein> jack control is just a gui
[16:06] <holstein> a front end
[16:07] <holstein> launching jack control allows you to set up JACK and your sound device
[16:07] <holstein> and start JACK
[16:07] <holstein> der_On: so, stop JACK
[16:07] <holstein> close the jack control running as root
[16:07] <holstein> and open jack control as normal user
[16:07] <holstein> and try again
[16:08] <holstein> shanttu: where is PCM set to zero?
[16:08] <holstein> and what does that mean?
[16:08] <holstein> in alsamixer?
[16:08] <shanttu> Alsamixer yes
[16:08] <der_On> holstein: did that already as normal user. sorry I was just iritated, saying this "error" right after I start qjackctl
[16:09] <holstein> der_On: ok, so, as root it starts, but as normal user it doesnt right?
[16:09] <der_On> holstein: But I've got another problem. I have a UA25-EX and want it to use in duplex mode with jack. That's causing trouble
[16:09] <shanttu> holstein: And it does not go up when I use pg up, arrows or amixer -c 1 -- sset PCM playback -12.21dB
[16:09] <der_On> holstein: it does start as normal user
[16:09] <holstein> der_On: cool :)
[16:09] <holstein> so you are good to go then
[16:09] <holstein> guitarman has one of those interfaces
[16:10] <holstein> if you can catch him over in #opensourcemusicians
[16:10] <der_On> guitarman: your're there?
[16:10] <der_On> Ah yes. he's there often
[16:10] <holstein> shanttu: so, you run alsamixer
[16:10] <holstein> and you see the device there
[16:10] <holstein> but, cant control it
[16:11] <holstein> til you force-restart alsa
[16:11] <holstein> and that has happened both with the device plugged at boot, and plugged after login
[16:11] <holstein> that sound about right?
[16:13] <shanttu> holstein: that is right. I have ran "amixer sset PCM playback X db" -command on startup to get the volume correct. I ran that for device 0 and 1
[16:13] <shanttu> because the default changes
[16:14] <holstein> shanttu: any other startup scripts ?
[16:14] <shanttu> nope
[16:15] <shanttu> and I have used those only for a couple of days
[16:18] <holstein> shanttu: i dont see that listed at alsa-project.org
[16:18] <holstein> http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Vendor-Emagic
[16:18] <holstein> seems like that might be the best you can get with that device
[16:19] <shanttu> hmm
[16:19] <holstein> you can always try upgrading alsa
[16:20] <holstein> any of these helpful
[16:20] <holstein> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-users/2009-January/003796.html
[16:20] <holstein> shanttu: how about JACK?
[16:20] <shanttu> holstein: I find this weird because it has worked well without this problem. I just thought it is about some settings I do not know about.
[16:20] <holstein> does jack grab and use it?
[16:20] <shanttu> I have succesfully tried Jack with it
[16:21] <holstein> shanttu: you mean, it has worked well without this problem in previous buntu versions?
[16:23] <shanttu> holstein: I mean this mute on startup is the only problem. I have used Linux on my main machine only for a couple of months.
[16:23] <shanttu> holstein: So I have not tested it with earlier Ubuntu releases.
[16:24] <holstein> shanttu: well, its more than mute correct?
[16:25] <holstein> you cant just 'unmute' or volume up
[16:25] <holstein> you have to reload alsa
[16:25] <holstein> correct?
[16:26] <shanttu> holstein:because of those commands I run on startup volume in Alsamixer (PCM) is on right level. Right now it does not respond to keyboard or volume terminal commands
[16:27] <shanttu> holstein:I have not reloaded alsa yet after last reboot
[16:27] <holstein> shanttu: but, its not working correct?
[16:28] <shanttu> holstein: at the moment mute
[16:28] <holstein> shanttu: i would say, file a bug
[16:28] <holstein> and maybe try and find an alsa guy to look into it
[16:28] <holstein> not sure how far you're going to get though
[16:29] <holstein> i think you should consider that a 'work-around'
[16:29] <holstein> and just go with it :)
[16:30] <shanttu> ok. thanks for your help. If I just could run it as normal user I would add an applet to panel =)
[16:31] <shanttu> holstein: I mean the force-reload
[16:31] <holstein> shanttu: i have the same thing going on
[16:31] <holstein> i was thinking a permissions change
[16:31] <holstein> and that could run as a script
[16:32] <shanttu> holstein: exactly
[16:32] <holstein> but, i don use JACK on this machine often enough to bother with it
[16:32] <holstein> so, i have a little icon somewhere i click on
[16:32] <holstein> shanttu: IF you are comfortable with your user being in the sudo group?
[16:32] <holstein> a sudoer or whatever
[16:33] <holstein> i have a friend that does that with buntu out of the box
[16:33] <holstein> so he is not prompted for passwords
[16:33] <holstein> personally, i appreciate the sanity check :)
[16:34] <shanttu> holstein: same here. As a n00b I am afraid of just copy-pasteing stuff and hups
[16:35] <holstein> shanttu: you can check in #opensourcemusicians as well
[16:35] <holstein> see if anyone has that device
[16:35] <holstein> i havnet heard of anyone with it before though
[16:37] <shanttu> I have googled around and some people uses it. It is an excellent device. Very natural sound, it does not have that "digital" atmosphere
[16:38] <shanttu> Apple bought the company and did not update drivers since 2004 or something.
[16:42] <holstein> i had ruled out some card like that
[16:42] <holstein> because of the unbalanced in's
[16:42] <holstein> good price though i bet
[16:56] <shanttu> These cost 400$ when released, now on ebay 10$
[16:56] <shanttu> An excellent deal for Linux-users
[19:12] <S2Do> Anyone running UbuStudio on asus netbook?
[19:12] <holstein> S2Do: i dont have an ubuntustudio install on either of my asus netbooks right now
[19:12] <holstein> but i have in the past
[19:13] <holstein> and i am running studio packages on both
[19:13] <S2Do> holstein, how's the performance?
[19:14] <S2Do> I'm looking at buying one
[19:14] <holstein> well, dont buy a netbook for your main audio production machine
[19:15] <holstein> i use an HP mininote
[19:15] <holstein> one of the early ones
[19:15] <holstein> with an express card slot
[19:15] <holstein> so that i can track in the field with my presonus firepod
[19:15] <holstein> the screen is too cramped for me to want to do anything more on it
[19:15] <holstein> can you do it on a netbook ?
[19:15] <holstein> sure
[19:16] <holstein> depends on what audio device you have too
[19:20] <S2Do> I'm looking to buy a second hand netbook for regular tasks (communication, reading, office) and I just tought it would be nice to install UbuSt. on it.
[19:20] <holstein> well, you dont install ubuntustudio on it
[19:21] <holstein> just add what you need
[19:21] <holstein> ubuntustudio-audio
[19:21] <holstein> ubuntustudio-audio-plugins
[19:21] <holstein> i mean, do what you want
[19:21] <holstein> but, if the main goal is a normal desktop
[19:21] <holstein> the ubuntustudio tweaks will probably just piss you off more than anything else
[19:25] <S2Do> To be more specific... I'll be on hollidays for a few weeks and I'd like to take some of my ardour projects with me in this laptop and be able to do some editing (not mixing). Would that be possible?
[19:25] <S2Do> What's up with the ubuntu studio tweeks?
[19:26] <holstein> S2Do: should be plausible
[19:26] <holstein> assuming you can tweak the latency a bit
[19:26] <holstein> and find a kernel that works for you
[19:27] <holstein> S2Do: well, in ubuntustudio
[19:27] <holstein> the gnome network manager
[19:27] <holstein> that makes it so easy to connect to wifi networks
[19:27] <holstein> thats not installed
[19:28] <S2Do> I'm running UbuSt. on an old thinkpad (1GB Ram, Pentium M 1.4Ghz ) and the performance is decent. But not sure about the Asus processors.
[19:28] <S2Do> no problem about the wirelesss, I can activate that mannualy
[19:28] <holstein> mine is 1.6
[19:28] <holstein> atom
[19:28] <holstein> the sound card is not great
[19:29] <holstein> with JACK
[19:30] <S2Do> I've noticed most of them come with that processor. What model have you got?
[19:31] <holstein> 1001p
[19:31] <holstein> the wifi doesnt work with my current -lowlatency kernel
[19:32] <holstein> im sure the ones in maverick will be fine
[19:41] <S2Do> I got Abogani's realtime kernel on the thinkpad and it does wonders. I get a latency of 4ms wich is fine for a solo musician :)
[19:41] <holstein> yeah, i dont get wifi with that kernel
[19:41] <holstein> on this device
[19:42] <holstein> wifi, and the sound card
[19:42] <S2Do> I would switch the wifi off when recording anyway.
[19:42] <holstein> i use that kernel on my production machine though
[19:43] <holstein> S2Do: me too, accept, in the field, i sometimes want to stream
[19:44] <S2Do> hehe