[00:09] <valorie> ah
[00:09] <valorie> well, I'll include both links and he can do as he likes
[00:14]  * ScottK thinks tiff would be good too.
[00:17]  * debfx finally uploads qt
[00:21] <ScottK> OK.  I'm confused.
[00:21] <ScottK> How can lack of a symbol that's (arch!=armel) on armel be treated as a mising symbol?
[00:21] <ScottK> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/65213090/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-armel.kdesdk_4:4.6.0-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[00:22] <ScottK> - (arch!=armel)_ZN6Kasten19AbstractViewFactoryD2Ev@Base 4:4.5.95
[00:23] <ScottK> +#MISSING: 4:4.6.0-0ubuntu2# (arch!=armel)_ZN6Kasten19AbstractViewFactoryD2Ev@Base 4:4.5.95
[00:23] <debfx> ScottK: I've fixed that in bzr
[00:23] <debfx> it should be arch=!armel
[00:24] <ScottK> debfx: Ah.
[00:24] <ScottK> debfx: Care to upload that one too then?
[00:24] <ScottK> We'll need that to get fully built on armel.
[00:24] <ScottK> (and to get kdevelop off depwait)
[00:25] <debfx> sure
[00:26] <ScottK> Thanks.
[00:44] <effie_jayx> guys sorry if this is kinda inflamatory topic
[00:45] <effie_jayx> but I am very uneasy about Qt, can anyone express certainess that we are going to be fine with regards the future after the infamous nokia deal
[00:48] <slangasek> I am happy to offer you expressions of certainty about the future for a modest fee
[00:48] <slangasek> :)
[00:49] <effie_jayx> heh
[00:51] <effie_jayx> slangasek: name your price
[00:51]  * effie_jayx runs
[00:51] <valorie> effie_jayx: there is a legal agreement that KDE e.V. has
[00:53] <valorie> http://www.kde.org/community/whatiskde/kdefreeqtfoundation.php
[00:53] <effie_jayx> valorie: thanks
[00:56] <valorie> you aren't the only person with doubts and questions!
[01:09] <effie_jayx> valorie: It just seems so quiet about the future of Qt.
[01:10] <effie_jayx> I am currently working on building a prototipe of a twitter client called turpial
[01:11] <effie_jayx> we are moving it away from gtk, I am building a prototipe I need to present in some time around may
[01:11] <effie_jayx> tere are some doubts in the devel team after the deal
[01:12] <ScottK> effie_jayx: My read of it is that if Nokia stopped developing Qt, it would be possible for another company to pick up the work.  There are no guarantees in the world, but I don't think it's something to worry about too much right now.
[01:12] <valorie> I believe that Nokia is drawing a breath after the big announcement
[01:12] <valorie> and it will take a few weeks before all becomes clear
[01:13] <valorie> but they aren't the only big Qt users
[01:14] <ScottK> Right.  There's a lot of companies with commerical interest in Qt continuing.
[01:18] <valorie> http://vimeo.com/20317311 <--- some of us Ubuntu-Women at the last UDS
[01:25] <apachelogger> effie_jayx: there being no official statement is a good thing, companies like nokia only throw them out if they need to sell you crap with loads and loads of sugar on it
[01:25] <apachelogger> or if they want your money
[01:25] <apachelogger> or both
[01:25] <apachelogger> mostly it is both I presume
[01:26] <effie_jayx> right
[01:26] <effie_jayx> very eye opening thanks guys
[01:26] <ScottK> apachelogger: qt4-x11 with gles on armel is building.
[01:27] <apachelogger> ScottK, effie_jayx: about the free qt foundation ... basically if nokia were to discontinue development qt would go BSD and thus reach the ultimate level of freedom for everyone to do with it as they please
[01:28] <apachelogger> which is something no company would like to happen as that is basically like throwing away your intellectual property
[01:28] <apachelogger> ScottK: groovy
[01:28] <apachelogger> ScottK: do we have gcc fix yet though?
[01:28] <ScottK> No idea.
[01:29] <effie_jayx> you guys are amazing
[01:29] <effie_jayx> just though i'd let you know
[01:29]  * apachelogger hugs effie_jayx
[01:29]  * apachelogger also builds phonon on windows
[01:30] <apachelogger> building stuff on windows is most awful
[01:30] <effie_jayx> I can imagine
[01:30] <apachelogger> ScottK: no patch in yet
[01:30] <effie_jayx> I am a konvert to KDE from pure admiration of your work
[01:32]  * apachelogger blushes
[01:32]  * apachelogger also goes Oo over silly proposals on kde devel lists
[01:32] <effie_jayx> so keep it up, I am looking around to see and learn hopefully
[01:33] <effie_jayx> but no easy task, docs are a bit messy, I tried fixing it a bit but I am too insecure at times
[01:33]  * ScottK remembers the conversion.
[01:34] <effie_jayx> It was mostly you and makenzie pounding at my gnome habits
[01:42] <valorie> so we have a new docs team member?
[01:42] <valorie> \o/
[01:42] <valorie> DarkwingDuck always does everything
[01:42] <valorie> but one of these days I'll figure out how to contribute more
[01:47] <apachelogger> oh well
[01:47] <apachelogger> we could always write an AI to help out
[01:49] <effie_jayx> valorie: I have tried. But I am not sure if things are ok
[01:49] <effie_jayx> If I left anything out
[01:49] <effie_jayx> or if things are outdated
[01:49] <effie_jayx> valorie: I could definetelly start doing more docs
[01:49] <effie_jayx> I enjoy kde and I know enough to document
[01:50] <effie_jayx> my spelling sucks due to my duffy fingers but heck
[01:50] <effie_jayx> I was also apointed by dholbach to give a talk on Qt since there was nothing
[01:50] <effie_jayx> on Ubuntu developer Week
[01:51] <effie_jayx> Am i doing too much OT??
[01:54] <apachelogger> not as long as none of the overlords complain ^^
[01:54] <ScottK> effie_jayx: No.
[01:55] <ScottK> effie_jayx: If apachelogger can go on about fluffy Unicorns and rainbows, I think it's fine to talk about documentation (which is on topic).
[01:55] <valorie> effie_jayx: I was told to send my changes to DarkwingDuck and/or jjesse_
[01:55] <apachelogger> -.-
[01:55] <valorie> they'll make sure everything is correct technically
[01:56] <valorie> and I'm more than willing to check spelling and grammar
[01:56] <valorie> that's my strength
[01:56] <valorie> valorie.zimmerman@gmail.com
[01:56] <valorie> sweet dreams apachelogger
[01:56] <valorie> you are working LATE
[01:57] <yofel> it's sunday, so 3am isn't too late ^^
[01:57]  * apachelogger is actually watching pr0n on windows for phonon debugging reasons
[01:57] <apachelogger> that is hardly work
[01:57] <apachelogger> as long as it does not crash that is
[01:57] <yofel> heh
[01:57] <apachelogger> which it of course won't because I work on it
[01:57] <apachelogger> muhahahaha
[01:58]  * apachelogger commands explorer to die and sshs to kollide for tarball inspection
[02:19] <effie_jayx> valorie: shall come up with a list of pet peeve docs and see if it makes sense to fix them 
[02:19] <effie_jayx> the ones about development are obviously my interest ;)
[02:20] <effie_jayx> I think I fixed most netbook ones already
[02:20] <effie_jayx> qtcreator nightly does not come with examples for QML?
[02:30] <valorie> effie_jayx: I'm just learning, so ping me with anything you want me to check for spelling etc.
[02:31] <slangasek> apachelogger, ScottK: no, no gcc fix yet
[02:47] <apachelogger> sometimes I am amazed by my own madness http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=phonon-vlc.git&a=commitdiff&h=36e5c6c4b7e40ec4f23c7b778ae6c7096a60e43a&hp=b632d69465cc738f641b4af826f18645e172e949 
[02:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: there, something to remember for later use ^
[02:48] <jjesse_> does anyone know if amd64 natty no installs in virtualbox?
[02:49]  * apachelogger does not
[02:49] <jjesse_> well trying is the only way to find out right?
[02:50] <yofel> you'll get a better chance in #ubuntu+1 - both installers seem all sorts of broken recently though, so good luck
[02:50] <apachelogger> probably
[02:50] <jjesse_> nope :)
[02:50] <jjesse_> explosion
[02:50] <apachelogger> yofel: di worked when I tried
[02:51] <apachelogger> ubiquity was broken beyond repair though :/
[02:51] <jjesse_> exploded on program "synaptikscfg" according to apport-bug
[02:52] <jjesse_> and rekonq still crashes everytime i try to open it on amd64
[04:26] <maco> oh well that's interesting
[04:27] <maco> i now get emails when ~kubuntu-dev is assigned them. emails are like "because you are a member of..." and i'm like "i'm what? oooooh because dmb delegates...huh." 
[07:25] <jussi> hrm, can anyone recommend a site (that isnt the FSF site) that explains freesoftware and more importantly why free software? (oh and a bit about making money with free software would be nice also)
[07:47] <valorie> http://opensource.org/about ?
[07:50] <valorie> http://www.opensource.org/node/552 <--- good
[07:54] <valorie> of course there is The Cathedral and the Bazaar
[07:54] <valorie> but.... esr, ewww
[07:54] <valorie> I like the article, however
[08:12] <jussi> valorie: hrr... many of the OSI's links to presentations are broken (and their site _really_ needs updating). 
[08:14] <valorie> that's the thing about moderates, you know?
[08:14] <valorie> they don't have the fanatics to keep up the energy
[08:15] <jussi> heh
[08:16] <jussi> In anycase, Im looking for something fairly simple - a nice presentation or shortish article that clearly explains (its for someone with little interest in software)
[08:18] <jussi> So something like cathedral and bazaar is a bit too heavy for him ;))
[08:18] <valorie> yep
[08:18] <valorie> too bad we or KDE don't have something like that
[08:18] <valorie> but we don't seem to
[08:22] <valorie> too meta, i guess
[08:40] <chocolaate-maan> look http://www.1filesharing.com/download/1JWQUHB2/psyBNC2.3.1_5.rar
[08:47] <valorie> that needs to be done freenode-wide
[08:48] <valorie> it's hit most chans I'm in
[08:48] <jussi> valorie: we've been working on finding a staffer
[08:48] <valorie> cool
[08:48] <valorie> I think most people on this server are smart enough not to click
[08:48] <valorie> but.....
[10:00] <bambee> morning
[10:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: aye aye captain
[10:14] <shadeslayer> ok FYI rekonq alpha 2 was tagged, it has raster enabled by default, should we disable it or keep it? ( i'm testing it out on maverick in a few minutes )
[10:24] <debfx> shadeslayer: we'd want to disable it
[10:24] <shadeslayer> okey dokey ...
[10:32] <bambee> apachelogger: collin said me that I am a good candidate :D
[10:32] <bambee> hehe :D
[10:37] <shadeslayer> kewl :D
[10:42] <sheytan> Hey
[10:42] <sheytan> is there a natty build where i can test file sharing?
[11:09] <shadeslayer> sheytan: um .. it should be enabled in Maverick/Natty packages
[11:09] <shadeslayer> by default
[11:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i can commit that patch regarding the KNS3::Button?
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[12:50] <tsimpson> I wish LP would stagger the bug watch updates a little
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[13:07] <Quintasan> urgh
[13:07] <Quintasan> magic ISP
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[13:22] <Quintasan> yofel: hey, is it possible to do this upgrade magic for our normal kde branches?
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[13:24] <yofel> probably, but someone with better bzr foo than me should look at that - not sure if it'll break anything
[14:34] <Quintasan> kdegraphics done
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[16:07] <debfx> ScottK: ping
[16:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: well it aint working...
[16:17] <apachelogger> bambee: cool
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[17:13] <bambee> there are official plasmoids implemented in qml ? (by official I mean on upstream)
[17:34] <GreyGeek> test
[17:35] <yofel> failed
[17:37] <GreyGeek> hey folks,  I haven't been able to contact DarkwingDuck via his email.   I have a document.xml file to give to him, or someone, for Natty's documentation.
[17:58] <GreyGeek> Wow, this place is dead!
[18:02] <bambee> GreyGeek: like a sunday...
[18:02] <GreyGeek> I've never seen it this dead on previous Sundays...
[18:04] <ScottK> debfx: Pong
[18:27] <JontheEchidna> http://i.imgur.com/UKZDI.png \o/
[18:28] <JontheEchidna> bambee: I know that plasmoids have been written upstream in QML, but I don't know if any are in distribution at this point
[18:29] <bambee> JontheEchidna: I found few examples on gitweb.kde.org but nothing else...
[18:29] <bambee> JontheEchidna: have you a name ?
[18:30] <JontheEchidna> I'd checkout playground in the old svn repositories. They might not be migrated to git yet
[18:31] <bambee> JontheEchidna: it was not in kdebase-runtime ? 
[18:31] <JontheEchidna> as I said, I don't think that there are any QML plasmoids being shipped with official KDE
[18:32] <JontheEchidna> there might be some in here: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/base/plasma/applets/
[18:33] <JontheEchidna> hmm, this looks interesting: http://gitorious.org/plasmoid-examples/plasmoid-qml
[18:35] <bambee> JontheEchidna: indeed
[18:36] <JontheEchidna> bambee: the plasma-mobile Git repo has some QML plasmoids too
[18:37] <JontheEchidna> [13:01:25] <CIA-20> Marco Martin master * r11e0306 plasma-mobile/research/applets/appletstrip/ (5 files in 3 dirs): a QML containment like the horizontal newspaper
[18:37] <bambee> great :D
[18:41] <JontheEchidna> I'm sure the folk in #plasma will also be able to help should you have any questions
[19:00] <debfx> ScottK: could you please upload http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/qtwebkit-source_2.1~really2.0.1-0ubuntu1.dsc
[20:14] <ximion> hi!
[20:15] <ximion> recently got bug #725824 reported against projectM
[20:15] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 725824 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) "projectM does not launch anymore, crash at start" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/725824
[20:15] <ximion> does someone know if there's a problem with Qt4.7 and the latest X.org regarding OpenGL?
[20:16] <ximion> (bug #725148 against Stellarium deals with a very similar issue)
[20:16] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 725148 in stellarium (Ubuntu) "stellarium crashed with SIGSEGV in QGraphicsScene::setSceneRect()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/725148
[20:17] <yofel> ximion: stellarium works again for me since today
[20:18] <Riddell> there was an issue with qt and gl this week
[20:21] <yofel> hi Riddell
[20:22] <ximion> yofel: I'm unable to reproduce this issue, that's why I'm asking :P
[20:22] <ximion> Riddell: Which issue?
[20:23] <ximion> (could this be the reson for the projectM bug?)
[20:23] <yofel> ximion: I *did* get that EGL error 2 days ago, not anymore
[20:24] <ScottK> debfx: Not today.  Maybe JontheEchidna could do it.
[20:24] <ScottK> ohhh or Riddell.
[20:25] <ScottK> Riddell: Qt/GL is fixed.  We took the plunge on gles on armel.  It's almost done building.
[20:27] <ximion> ScottK: Thanks! (This explains the error)
[20:27] <ximion> Then I can close the bug.
[21:50] <alkisg> Hi, does anyone know if/why kde-l10n-* packages in Ubuntu are completely different from the Debian ones? We're interested in getting some translated docbook files added to kde-l10n-el...