[00:28] <MTecknology> Gah!  3 days if daily builds and for the life of me, i can't install it
[00:28] <MTecknology> the alternate cd always seems to have after 'setting up partitioner'
[00:28] <MTecknology> if i do ctrl+c it'll start that part again and get to 52% and hang again
[00:58] <charlie-tca> You got that far?
[00:58] <charlie-tca> I can't even make it to the partitioner
[01:46] <MTecknology> charlie-tca: I guess I was lucky then... I wound up installing 10.10 and doing the upgrade instead.. still can'
[01:46] <MTecknology> t correctly upgrade the /etc/sudoers file
[03:35] <whiz> hi all. i got the latest nvidia drivers on alpha2. when I login for Ubuntu Desktop, it takes me to GNOME. can I try Unity now since I got the Nvidia Driver update and how do I go into it ?
[03:45] <whiz> anyone ?
[03:51] <arand> whiz: You should be able to select unity at the login screen
[04:03] <MTecknology> What package do you generally need to install to make wireless devices work? I removed something and I can't figure out what it was...
[04:13] <whiz> arand: I was selecting 'Ubuntu Desktop'. Thought I haven't seen Unity as an option
[04:40] <arand> whiz: I don't think the options say "unity" explicitly, make sure you have unity installed, I guess.. and drivers up and working, and try unity --replace or so...
[04:48] <whiz> arand: thnx let me see
[04:54] <Amaranth> whiz: if you're choosing the regular Ubuntu Desktop session, have compiz and unity installed, and your driver does what compiz and unity need it to do, that'll start a unity session
[04:54] <Amaranth> If compiz detects the driver isn't working right or doing what is needed it'll automatically launch a legacy session
[05:04] <Andre_Gondim> I tryed install with live daily, but stops at second screen, that with option to download codecs and staffs.. is there any workaround?
[05:25] <arand> Andre_Gondim: Alternate install CD would be one option I presume. Do report a bug for it, maybe test with alpha1/2/current and see where it reproduces.
[05:25] <Andre_Gondim> ok arand
[05:50] <wzssyqa> why mplayer dep on java now?
[05:50] <whiz> Amaranth: thnx. have unity. need to check compiz
[16:58] <brobostigon> i just noticed, on the clock, in the top right, there doesnt seem to be an option to show seconds. am i totally missing something?
[17:02] <penguin42> I've got one, but I'm on Classic
[17:07] <brobostigon> ah,ok.
[17:09]  * penguin42 guesses I should try Unity again
[17:09] <brobostigon> another thing, using the launcher to change between apps on workspaces, seems to be smoother and quicker than using mroe traditional ways of changing workspaces.
[17:11] <brobostigon> like ctrl + alt + left/right arrow,
[17:39] <Gr8Q> anyone would give me some hint. I need to install updates from another instance of ubuntu on a diff sda
[17:39] <penguin42> how do you mean from?
[17:40] <brobostigon> https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-datetime/+bug/726102
[17:44] <Gr8Q> anyone can help me
[17:45] <charlie-tca> you need to explain a little more about what you are trying to do
[17:46] <bazhang> Gr8Q, aptoncd
[17:47] <IdleOne> Gr8Q: you could also use /var/cache/apt/archives it /should/ have all the debs
[17:48] <Gr8Q> when i type apt-get install i want to redirect to another local partition to retrieve files and not from the net
[17:49] <penguin42> Gr8Q: The /etc/apt/sources.list that normally has an http:// can have a file://
[17:51] <bazhang> Gr8Q, use the -d option with apt-get (download only)
[17:51] <charlie-tca> Is there any way to turn off the "tab groups" option in ff4.0b12 ?
[17:52] <Gr8Q> ok, i gonna edit few lines in sources.lst by file so it could do the trick to retrieve files stored in the cache instead from the net right
[17:53] <bazhang> Gr8Q, no
[17:53] <bazhang> use aptoncd or the download only option on apt-get (-d)
[17:55] <Gr8Q> bazhang i told that i have no internet cuz i cant load nm-applet it said :could not initialize D-bus manager.
[17:55] <Gr8Q> because of a upstart job
[17:56] <bazhang> Gr8Q, you dont need that to get an internet connection. you could do it via the terminal as well
[17:56] <charlie-tca> hm, no way to get rid of the "Tab Groups" since it shuts the browser down if you try to close it
[17:57] <yofel> charlie-tca: haven't found one myself yet, you can just clickon the tab in front, that'll get you back
[17:57] <charlie-tca> no it didn't
[17:57] <Gr8Q> thanks all i have to go i will check this out later
[17:57] <charlie-tca> I closed the tab groups, and it shut all my tabs, then I clicked it again, and it shut down the browser
[17:58] <charlie-tca> Maybe it is time to look at different browsers again. this one is no longer doing things "my way"
[17:59] <yofel> hm, If I close the tab group it does close the tabs, but If I just click on the displayed tab I get out - I'm using the daily build though
[17:59] <charlie-tca> heh, I am tired of logging back in to everything and waiting for my 50 or so tabs to open again
[18:00]  * yofel uses session manager - helps in keeping the tab list intact ^^
[18:01] <charlie-tca> find has to be reopened everytime I want to use it now, tabs are closing when I hit the wrong button by accident, due to where they are, bookmarks are harder to save now, "and this is progress"
[18:01] <charlie-tca> Oh, and I can give feedback, 140 characters only please
[18:33] <penguin42> 50 tabs? Heck you aren't supposed to load the entire internet into your browser
[18:34] <coz_> hey guys
[18:34] <penguin42> charlie-tca: I tend to use chromium - I've only got one site that doesn't like it, it's reasonably stable although I have the occasional crash
[19:14] <brobostigon> i think i have found a graphics issue, its on my eeepc 900 ssd, i tried iplayer, which is based on flash, in maverick inside chromium, it would run quite smoothly, however here under natty, under the same chromium version and flash version, it was very stuttery,
[19:14] <brobostigon> does that make any sense?
[19:15] <coz_> brobostigon,  which video is on that machine?   lspci | grep -i vga
[19:16] <brobostigon> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 04)
[19:16] <coz_> brobostigon,   ok I know that nvidia and ati are still broken I believe...not sure about intel ...I am sure one of the guys here would know
[19:17] <brobostigon> coz_: ok, thanks, i will wait, someone who knows will read it.
[19:23] <yofel> coz_: nvidia is fixed
[19:23] <coz_> yofel,  whoa  very cool :)
[19:23] <coz_> yofel,  working well?
[19:23] <yofel> and intel is open source, so that was never broken in the first place, so that might be a driver bug
[19:24] <yofel> coz_: better then nouveau at least :P
[19:24] <coz_> yofel,  :) understood
[19:24] <coz_> yofel,   I installed lucid again until release  but I might reinstall natty now
[19:24] <brobostigon> yofel: i see, so should i look and see if there ia a bug filed under the intel driver within natty?
[19:25] <yofel> brobostigon: yes, if there isn't, file one with ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-video-intel
[19:26] <brobostigon> yofel: ok, thank you,
[19:33] <brobostigon> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel
[19:33] <brobostigon> yofel: is that the right place for me too look?
[19:35] <yofel> no, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel - if you look in 'natty' you'll only see bugs with a natty task, which only important bugs get, rather check if a bug is tagged with natty
[19:37] <brobostigon> ah, i see. make sense,:)
[19:46] <brobostigon> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/680135
[19:46] <brobostigon> yofel: thats the closest ihave found to my issue, however the gpu/'s involved done match.
[19:47] <brobostigon> dont*
[20:00] <yofel> brobostigon: rather file a new bug then
[20:00] <brobostigon> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/726179
[20:02] <brobostigon> yofel: see above bug report, i have reported a new one,
[20:42] <cg2916> Has anyone used the Alpha 2 yet?
[20:43] <cg2916> Is anybody here?
[20:44] <brobostigon> o/
[20:44] <cg2916> have u tried the alpha 2 yet?
[20:45] <Crashbit> I have a problem with mountall
[20:45] <cg2916> Crashbit: what are you using?
[20:46] <cg2916> hey, albert23
[20:46] <charlie-tca> alpha2 worked fine
[20:46] <charlie-tca> the daily images now are not working
[20:46] <cg2916> where are the daily images?
[20:46] <Crashbit> cg2916: mm, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/723482
[20:47] <charlie-tca> !daily
[20:48] <cg2916> how do you use the daily builds w/o having to re-burn a cd every day
[20:48] <charlie-tca> this it today's bug - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/726131
[20:49] <charlie-tca> I do burn a cd or two a day
[20:49] <charlie-tca> I also use VirtualBox
[20:49] <nit-wit> cg2916, you can rysnc the daily and load a thumb
[20:49] <charlie-tca> I even burn 8 cd's a lot of days
[20:50] <cg2916> can you re-use the same cd
[20:50] <charlie-tca> I have not had much luck with cd-rw's, so I use cd-r's
[20:51] <charlie-tca> and sometimes have to use dvd-r's because of oversize images
[20:52] <cg2916> i have a dvd+r
[20:52] <charlie-tca> there a one-time use, and today's images are all broken, both alternate and desktop
[20:53] <ginn> my wireless card has a high ping on Ubuntu :(
[20:59] <cg2916> how do you resync the daily
[21:00] <rww> cg2916: zsync
[21:00] <brobostigon> zsync http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/natty-desktop-i386.iso.zsync
[21:00] <cg2916> ahh
[21:00] <cg2916> ok
[21:35] <Starminn> Will Natty come with the option to DL with GNOME-Shell (or GNOME) like Maverick does with KDE/Xcfe, etc.? (I assume so, but just making sure)
[21:35] <brobostigon> Starminn: i understand you will have to add the gnome3-team's ppa for gnome3.
[21:36] <Starminn> So if you want another DE other than Unity you'll have do get it post-install?
[21:37] <Daekdroom> !info soundtouch
[21:37] <brobostigon> xfce and kde ofcourse will be available with xubuntu and kubuntu.
[21:37] <Starminn> But there won't be a "Gubuntu"?
[21:37] <Daekdroom> Starminn, brobostigon, as far as I know the PPA for gnome3 is temporary
[21:37] <Starminn> Bleh. That sounds bad. Maybe "Gnubuntu" ;)
[21:37] <Daekdroom> Because gnome shell isn't building correctly, so they removed it from the repos.
[21:38] <Starminn> Well obviously it is dependent on the development of GNOME-Shell but basically I think I should rephrase that.... Let's try again... :)
[21:39] <brobostigon> Starminn: classic as they have called it, will be available as anoption on login, thats gnome as it is, without unity.
[21:39] <Daekdroom> That is gnome 2.32, brobostigon
[21:39] <Daekdroom> I think he's after GNOME-Shell itself
[21:39] <brobostigon> Daekdroom: yes
[21:39] <Starminn> Will 11.04 have the option to ship with GNOME, and then when GNOME-Shell is completed, the GNOME-Shell?
[21:39] <Daekdroom> Starminn, It'll ship with GNOME 2.32 + Unity
[21:39] <Starminn> Without having Unity on the computer?
[21:39] <Daekdroom> No GNOME-Shell version
[21:40] <Starminn> So you have to have Unity on there *and* GNOME 2, right?
[21:40] <brobostigon> youy will need to add gnome3 via gnome3-teams ppa.
[21:40] <Daekdroom> The PPA currently doesn't work :p
[21:40] <Daekdroom> Starminn, yeah.
[21:40] <Daekdroom> Starminn, Unity will run on top of GNOME 2. It's only a shell.
[21:40] <brobostigon> Daekdroom: agreed, ihave tried, but it should work for final natty release.
[21:40] <Starminn> Ah, alright, that makes sense.
[21:41] <Starminn> Once the GNOME Shell is out, though, are there any talks of providing an option for it rather than Unity?
[21:41] <Starminn> Not changing the default, of course, just "instead of"
[21:41] <Starminn> Like Kubuntu, etc.
[21:41] <Daekdroom> It's not about GNOME-Shell being out. It'd be there if it compiled.
[21:41] <Daekdroom> But it didn't.
[21:41] <brobostigon> Starminn: gnome-shell is a small part of gnome3, do you meangnome3 as a whole?
[21:41] <Daekdroom> They prefered to blacklist the gnome-shell package for now.
[21:42] <Starminn> I thought the two were interchangable. GNOME-Shell == GNOME 3. :D
[21:42] <brobostigon> Daekdroom: i am familier with the situation, i have beentesting gnome-shell and gnome3 alot recently.
[21:42] <brobostigon> Starminn: gnome-shell is part of gnome3.
[21:43] <Starminn> brobostigon: Gotcha. Alright, so once GNOME3 is fully completed (because to my understanding it's not yet), will there be an option to install GNOME3 instead of Unity, much like we now have Kubuntu for KDE rather than Ubuntu for GNOME2?
[21:44] <Daekdroom> Starminn, GNOME3 as a whole is not getting in natty. GNOME-Shell might.
[21:44] <brobostigon> Starminn: yes,but youwill have to add the gnome3-teams  ppa to do so, it wont be there straight out.
[21:44] <Daekdroom> Yeah, you can use the PPA.
[21:45] <Starminn> Both of you: So there won't be a "Gubuntu", that is correct?
[21:45] <brobostigon> i fully intend toadd the ppa, and run both side by side.
[21:45] <Daekdroom> Correct.
[21:46] <Daekdroom> Specially because Ubuntu is still claimed to run GNOME, despite of using Unity.
[21:46] <Starminn> Right, right..
[21:46] <Daekdroom> and the only difference would be the Shell, really.
[21:46] <Starminn> Okay, fair enough. That's kind of disappointing I guess, but I understand the logistics behind it.
[21:46] <bjsnider> unity replaces gnome-shell but not all of gnome 3
[21:47] <bjsnider> unity and gnome-shell are desktop shells
[21:47] <Starminn> Alright, well thanks guys. I'm off then. YOu've helped a lot. :)
[21:52] <bjsnider> i'm sure gnome-shell will be a session option at login time
[21:53] <Daekdroom> bjsnider, GTK3+ is still not included by default because it'd bloat the liveCD
[21:53] <bjsnider> i don't care about "default"
[21:53] <brobostigon> sudo apt-get install gnome3-session
[21:53] <Daekdroom> ah.
[21:53] <Daekdroom> I thought it implied out-of-the-box
[22:09] <brobostigon> nos da everyone, sleep well.
[22:16] <cozziemoto> ok I am updating natty on this machine... yikes lots of updates :)
[22:17] <cozziemoto> well...we will see with the eveitble    restart
[22:17] <cozziemoto> inevitble
[22:17] <cozziemoto> however its spelled:(
[22:58] <Logan_WP> does anyone know if there is a Wubi installer availalbe for the Natty alpha?
[22:58] <Logan_WP> *available
[23:05] <Oer> Logan_WP, there should be an Wubi installer inside the iso
[23:05] <Logan_WP> really?
[23:05] <Logan_WP> cool
[23:07] <Logan_WP> Oer: which ISO?  desktop or livecd?
[23:08] <Logan_WP> *dvd
[23:08] <Logan_WP> nvm, figured it out myself :)
[23:08] <Oer> any desktop cd/dvd is also live, and you find the installer in /
[23:09] <Logan_WP> I <3 the speed of this torrent
[23:09] <Logan_WP> 1.0 Mb/s
[23:09] <Logan_WP> *MB