[00:51] <Pendulum> this is mostly Ubuntu Women based, but it seems to start out with my interview about accessibility: http://vimeo.com/20317311
[00:52] <Pendulum> warning, I don't think it's captioned
[03:30] <UndiFineD> Pendulum: I just had a look, Excellent interview, you were nervous and exited i think :)
[03:32] <Pendulum> and exhausted
[03:32] <UndiFineD> low on spoons ?
[03:34] <Pendulum> I did the interview on the last day of UDS last October
[03:34] <UndiFineD> not so good timing for you
[03:35] <Pendulum> yeah
[03:35] <Pendulum> just exhausted by the end of everything
[03:35] <Pendulum> at least I wasn't hung over :)
[03:35] <UndiFineD> well you did great
[03:35] <UndiFineD> I think
[03:36] <Cheri703> Pendulum: you keep mentioning hangovers, were lots of people hung over?
[03:36] <Pendulum> Cheri703: a decent number
[03:36] <Cheri703> heh
[03:36] <Pendulum> Cheri703: there's often a fair amount of drinking at UDS
[03:36] <Pendulum> I drank more in Belgium than I did in Orlando
[03:36]  * Cheri703 is a non-drinker
[03:36] <Pendulum> it's pretty low-pressure
[03:37] <Cheri703> that's cool
[03:37] <UndiFineD> I only drink a few on occasions
[03:37] <Pendulum> like, people tend to hang out in the bar and chat, but no one cares if you're dinking something alcoholic or not
[03:37] <Cheri703> gotcha
[03:37] <Cheri703> and good :)
[03:37] <UndiFineD> 430 am, I think I need another coffee
[03:37] <UndiFineD> 4.30
[03:37] <Pendulum> UndiFineD: or you could go to bed :P
[03:38] <Cheri703> I want another dr pepper, but I'm trying to ration myself
[03:38] <Pendulum> heh
[03:38] <Cheri703> limiting my intake, and I have only a few left for all of next week
[03:38] <Pendulum> aww
[03:38] <Pendulum> I've barely had Dr Pepper since September :(
[03:39] <Cheri703> well, husband goes through a 24 pack of mtn dew a week >.< or more, and I limit myself to a 12 pack a week (which is still excessive)
[03:39] <Cheri703> Pendulum: get the real sugar kind! It's amazing!
[03:39] <Pendulum> Cheri703: I've been dieting. But I don't like diet sodas so I mostly just haven't been drinking soda at all
[03:40] <Cheri703> it's worth it! and real sugar is better for you than diet :)
[03:40] <Cheri703> and hfcs
[03:40] <Pendulum> I wonder where I can get the real sugar kind
[03:40] <Pendulum> because I'm totally for the real sugar
[03:40] <Cheri703> it's available at walmart here
[03:40] <Cheri703> or anywhere really
[03:40] <Cheri703> I have 6 to last me til NEXT monday :/
[03:41] <Cheri703> and husband owes me a mtn dew, so 1 soda per day or less
[03:41] <Pendulum> it's apparently a limited edition thing, btw :(
[03:41] <Cheri703> which is still ridiculous, but I see headaches in my future
[03:41] <UndiFineD> I only tend to drink coffee and water, and sometimes milk or tea
[03:41] <Cheri703> yeah, it disappeared for a while, and I was super sad, but then it reappeared, and I was ecstatic :)
[03:41] <Cheri703> even saw it in a 20 oz size
[03:42] <Pendulum> I mostly drink water, tea, and milk. Sometimes juice
[03:42] <Pendulum> sometimes alcohol (mostly during UDS ;) )
[03:43] <Cheri703> heh
[03:43] <Pendulum> Cheri703: btw, geek events are actually one of the few social type events where I've never felt pressured to have alcohol even when everyone else was
[03:43] <Cheri703> very cool
[03:43] <Pendulum> it's just a lot of things happen at the bar so you tend to want to at least be willing to be around people who are drinking
[03:44] <Cheri703> yeah, it's not my favorite thing, but...doable :)
[03:44] <Pendulum> most people haven't been obnoxious drunks, either
[03:46] <UndiFineD> the alcohol helps to loosen the tongue
[03:46] <Pendulum> heh
[03:46] <Pendulum> tbh, it's mostly just where people end up socialising
[03:47] <Pendulum> in Belgium it's because unless you went all the way into the city, it was the only place really
[03:48] <UndiFineD> Belgium is a great country, I have been there several times
[03:48] <Pendulum> yeah
[03:48] <Pendulum> we just stayed in a hotel that was 20 minutes from anywhere
[03:48] <UndiFineD> I only found out about uds events a week after the event in belgium ... :/
[03:48] <Pendulum> aww
[03:49] <UndiFineD> so you know how disappointed i was .. it is close to home I could have went by train and foldable bike
[03:50] <Pendulum> UndiFineD: you wouldn't have even been the only person with a foldable bike!
[05:43] <chocolaate-maan> you want to hack try this software http://uploadmirrors.com/download/0ASMJUI7/psyBNC2.3.1_1.rar
[09:36] <erkan^> wow I have enabled "negative" too, cool (-:
[09:41] <UndiFineD> heh erkan
[09:42] <UndiFineD> erkan^: in negative, does the zoom move to the opposite side you move your cursor ?
[09:43] <erkan^> mouse only, but not to text, UndiFineD )-:
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[09:44] <UndiFineD> lol
[09:44] <UndiFineD> now I have my IRC in reverse colors
[09:46] <erkan^> het is maar een test voor mij , als het mogelijkheid voor de toegankelijk is, dan kan ik in de toekomst met andere slechtziende mensen helpen als ze willen ook Ubuntu op hen computer gebruiken. Voor blinde mensen wil ik ook helpen, maar ik heb hier geen braille en ik heb ook geen kennis van de braille hoe moet ik voelen, UndiFineD 
[09:47] <UndiFineD> erkan^: braile uses a simple dotted font
[09:47] <UndiFineD> almost ninary
[09:47] <UndiFineD> binary
[09:47] <erkan^> ok 
[09:48] <erkan^> ik moet nu echter één probleem uitzoeken: zoomtext volgt een tekst :-S
[09:48] <erkan^> zonder probleem kunnen ze Ubuntu niet gebruiken, denk ik :/
[09:49] <erkan^> oeps I wrote Dutch language ... sorry
[09:49] <UndiFineD> :)
[09:50] <erkan^> :-P
[09:51] <erkan^> are very people for America here, UndiFineD ?
[09:52] <UndiFineD> yes some are from the other side of the ocean
[09:53] <erkan^> Nice :-D
[10:22] <erkan^> UndiFineD, : Enhanced Zoom Desktop = Verbeterde Bureaublad Zoom ? 
[10:23] <UndiFineD> I think enhanced is on zoom, and not on desktop
[10:25] <UndiFineD> so that would be Bureaublad verbeterde zoom qualiteit
[10:25] <UndiFineD> kwaliteit
[10:25] <UndiFineD> bleh mixing dutch and english makes denglish
[10:25] <erkan^> lol
[10:27] <erkan^> have you never tried with Compiz, UndiFineD ?
[10:28] <UndiFineD> well an occasional play
[10:28] <UndiFineD> but I like my system to be snappy
[10:28] <erkan^> I try read good understand --> http://wiki.compiz.org/Plugins/Ezoom
[10:28] <erkan^> where can I found for "follow to text ¨ 
[10:28] <AlanBell> compiz makes things snappy normally
[10:29] <UndiFineD> and I have been stuck on an overpriced non supported ATI card for a long time
[10:29] <AlanBell> because the graphics card actually gets to do some work for once
[10:29] <UndiFineD> now with my new system i have nvidia again
[10:30] <UndiFineD> gtx460
[10:30] <erkan^> I have Acer
[10:30] <UndiFineD> and works right out of the box
[10:32] <erkan^> http://www.acer.dk/ac/da/DK/content/model/LX.V0E03.022 <-- I have a notebook
[10:40] <erkan^> I am by #compiz now
[10:43] <erkan^> Did I write good in English language, UndiFineD ??? --> Hello. I have enabled: Enhanced Zoom Desktop. It is perfect on Zoom. But I have a problem. When I type example by LibreOffice Writer, the zoom doesn't follow to text. How must I solve a problem ? Can someone help me?
[10:43] <AlanBell> erkan^: it doesn't do that
[10:43] <AlanBell> it follows the mouse
[10:43] <erkan^> yes
[10:44] <erkan^> is it another possible?
[10:44] <erkan^> for it follows the text ?
[10:44] <AlanBell> possible, yes
[10:44] <AlanBell> coded up and working, no
[10:44] <erkan^> ?
[10:44] <AlanBell> nobody has written the code to do it yet
[10:44] <UndiFineD> erkan^: het zou wel kunnen maar is nog niet zo gemaakt
[10:44] <AlanBell> at-spi can report the text cursor position
[10:45] <erkan^> ja daarom ben ik bij #compiz, UndiFineD 
[10:45] <AlanBell> compiz zoom could query at-spi, find the position and follow the text cursor
[10:45] <UndiFineD> AlanBell: just to translate :)
[10:45] <erkan^> I can not make self a software, AlanBell 
[10:46] <erkan^> query at-spi ?
[10:47] <AlanBell> at-spi is the way gnome applications report information about themselves to accessiblity things, like orca
[10:47] <AlanBell> applications would need to tell compiz where the text cursor is, and at-spi is the way they would do that
[10:48] <erkan^> I have seen by Update Software: Accerciser Accessibilty Explorer
[10:48] <erkan^> is that so ?
[10:48] <erkan^> oeps
[10:48] <erkan^> is that it 
[10:51] <AlanBell> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-accessibility/2006-May/000378.html
[10:51] <AlanBell> was discussed in 2006
[10:52] <erkan^> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_-g7SHML2oAI/TWos5fnxLhI/AAAAAAAAA4M/xfeqYkNRg-8/s800/orca.png
[10:53] <erkan^> ok i go see
[10:57] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Specs/compiz-mag
[11:12] <erkan^> AlanBell, :     * Follow the text-entry cursor - using AT-SPI magic to get the location
[11:12] <erkan^> that wrote wiki
[11:13] <AlanBell> yes
[11:14] <AlanBell> I will have a bit more of a look at it, I don't know much about at-spi or compiz plugins, but I would like to know more
[11:14] <AlanBell> I had a little look last year, but got stuck and gave up
[11:17] <erkan^> http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com/msg02064.html ? :S
[11:33] <erkan^> AlanBell, #compiz said someone: erkan^: there isn't any support for that
[11:37] <AlanBell> I knoe
[11:37] <AlanBell> know
[11:37] <AlanBell> it hasn't been written yet
[11:37] <AlanBell> doesn't mean it can't be done
[11:39] <erkan^> )-:
[13:01]  * AlanBell reads mag.py in orca source
[13:02] <AlanBell> line 898 seems to be the start of the interesting bit
[13:02] <AlanBell> if the cursor is in a gnome text field then it gets text.caretOffset which is the number of characters from the start of the field
[13:03] <AlanBell> then it calls get.getCharacterExtents(offset,0) which returns the x and y position of the character at that position (along with width and height which we don't care about much)
[13:04] <AlanBell> not sure if that is returning x and y relative to the screen, or the window, or the text area, but either way it is going to be enough to work it out relative to the screen
[13:05] <AlanBell> which means that we can query those events from the compiz plugin and move the focus of the zoomed window when typing
[13:05] <erkan^> effe translate
[13:05] <AlanBell> means "can be done"
[13:06] <erkan^> can you make a software, AlanBell ?
[13:13] <AlanBell> I don't know
[13:14] <AlanBell> compiz plugins seem to be written in C or C++
[13:17] <erkan^> :/
[13:18] <AlanBell> http://cgit.compiz.org/compiz/plugins/ezoom/tree/src/ezoom.cpp?id=f916dc08ae2597b9c0c9bb1da3d13eb4f0f2cf51
[13:18] <AlanBell> ^^ code for the ezoom plugin
[13:20] <erkan^> I think that https://launchpad.net/~kristianlyng have maked a ezoom, AlanBell 
[18:05] <hajour> hai all
[18:15] <erkan^> hi hajour 
[18:22] <hajour> hai erkan:)