[05:52] <vish> how do i make comments/reason appear along with the ban message?
[05:53] <vish> ex: i tried  /ban *@IP [stop spamming the channel]
[05:53] <vish> but the [message] dint appear
[06:02] <hyperair> vish: it doesn't look like you can give a reason for a ban
[06:02] <hyperair> vish: but a ban doesn't kick.
[06:02] <hyperair> vish: so you first ban the user, then you kick with a reason
[06:02] <vish> ah..
[06:02] <hyperair> you can also use /kickban <user> <reason>
[06:03] <vish> hyperair: well, the user had spammed and left the room
[06:03] <hyperair> heh
[06:03] <vish> so, i guess i cant give a reason now?
[06:03] <hyperair> i guess not
[06:03] <vish> hmm..
[06:04] <vish> hyperair: what does bantype refer to in this? :  Usage: BAN <mask> [<bantype>],
[06:05]  * vish mistook that as the "reason"
[06:05]  * hyperair shrugs
[06:05] <hyperair> but the [] means that the argument is optional
[06:05] <vish> right..
[06:05] <hyperair> you don't actually put it in square brackets
[06:05] <vish> hehe! dint know that :D
[06:06] <hyperair> you haven't read many manpages have you?
[06:06] <hyperair> =\
[06:06] <vish> ;p
[06:06] <hyperair> BAN [-normal | -user | -host | -domain | -custom <type>] <nicks/masks>
[06:06] <rww> bantype means whether to do a ban based on host, nick, etc. if you give it a nick as the first parameter.
[06:07] <rww> this is a clientside thing; your client computes the banmask to send to the server and does MODE #channelname banmaskhere.
[06:08] <vish> rww: ok, thanks.. :)
[06:17] <vish> so how do op-s keep track of their bans?
[06:18] <vish> only from the kick messages? or anything else..?
[06:18] <rww> vish: in channels containing ubottu, there's a bantracker. some other channels have eir, which is a bot for autoexpiration of bans. some other other channels have neither, and use grep on logs I guess.
[06:19] <rww> most channels don't have that many bans, so...
[06:20] <vish> we have ubot2 , so its just an ubottu clone right?
[06:20]  * vish reads up on bantracker
[06:20] <rww> yes. the clones don't do bantracking.
[06:20] <vish> hmm
[06:20] <rww> only core channel ops* have access to BanTracker, and ubottu is the core channel bot, so...
[06:21] <rww> * this has some not-relevant-to-discussion exceptions
[06:22] <rww> and BT doesn't do "only allow access to bantracking for $somechannel", so it's all or nothing, so it can't really be expanded to non-core channels.
[06:22]  * vish nods
[06:22] <rww> plus it's slow as heck, so overloading it with more people and bans is a bad idea ;)
[06:24] <vish> mostly spammer/spambots land in the channel.. so not a huge issue it.. :)
[06:24] <vish> s/it/yet
[06:24] <rww> which channel?
[06:24] <vish> -artwork
[06:25] <vish> not a constant issue though, its on the rare occasion that we have these spam bots show up
[06:25] <rww> yeah, most of the team channels only have a handful of bans
[06:25] <rww> #ubuntu currently has, umm, 293.
[06:25] <vish> heh
[06:26] <IdleOne> rww: what if loco/team channels wanted to use BT independently?
[06:26] <rww> IdleOne: then they could download the source and run a BT instance, I guess.
[06:26] <rww> and an ubottu clone instance
[06:27] <IdleOne> yeah, that was my next question
[06:27] <IdleOne> if the source was available
[06:27] <rww> I believe it's in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots with the rest of the ubottu stuff.
[06:31]  * jussi points out bantracker 2 is in the works and in need of contributors who know python...
[06:31] <rww> BanTracker 2 has been in the works since before I started spying on -ops, if I remember correctly.
[06:33] <jussi> rww: yeah, but we started to write a spec the other day, so perhaps work might start to get done now :) http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Spec/Bantracker
[06:34] <jussi> (Ive got a crapload of stuf to add to that spec...)
[06:34] <rww> What's a CIDR style ban?
[06:34] <rww> ... nvm, I scrolled down.
[06:34] <jussi> :D
[06:34]  * rww didn't know one could do that
[06:34] <jussi> I was just typing "keep reading"...
[06:35] <rww> I guess that explains the odd slashy banmasks tsimps0n's been using recently.
[06:35] <jussi> :)
[06:39] <jussi> hrm, anyone know where they hide the gobby docs from previous UDS's?
[06:39] <jussi> Or doI have to go seaching through my backup images for the ones I need...
[06:39] <rww> I've never seen an archive.
[08:02] <vish> rww: thats the same IP which spammed artwork channel..
[08:02] <vish> the one you banned on women
[08:02] <rww> vish: thanks for highlighting me, I didn't notice that.
[08:03] <vish> just noticed that he has done it on several channels
[08:03] <rww> yeah, I've been adding bans when I see it, since they tend to repeat it.
[08:18] <jussi> Im gussing that person haas likely been klined by now, you may want to check with staff before you add too many bans
[08:19] <rww> They're still online.
[08:20] <jussi> o.O
[08:20] <rww> They've been doing this all evening, #freenode has had multiple complaints about it, and they've been signed on for four hours without interruption. Go figure.
[08:21]  * rww shrugs
[08:22] <jussi> rww: Im guessing that staff are having a party or something :P
[08:46] <rww> they /nicked to Pline, by the look of it.
[15:46] <raido> Ubnutu IRC mods, please take a look at the following discussion: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/147061
[15:47] <raido> I wold like to propose a change to the text that ubottu supplies when an inquiry is made regarding root access
[15:48] <raido> Perhaps we can limit the response to supplying the following link: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo#Enabling%20the%20root%20account
[15:49] <raido> !root is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo#Enabling%20the%20root%20account
[15:49] <erUSUL> raido: #ubuntu-ops is the correct place for this request
[15:49] <raido> erUSUL: Ok, thanks
[15:49] <IdleOne> no
[15:50] <IdleOne> /msg ubottu !root is <reply> your suggestion goes here
[15:50] <IdleOne> is the best place to submit suggestions
[15:51] <erUSUL> raido: i know read the question; i disagree
[15:51] <erUSUL> raido: the help channel can set rules on what we are wiling/able to support. that does not restrict anyone's freedom
[15:52] <IdleOne> I don't understand why enabling root or not is such a big issue. Ubuntu uses sudo if you really need a persistent root use sudo -i
[15:52] <erUSUL> raido: the same happens when someone installs third party packages as xammp or webimin or ispconfig or whatever. the user is free to install them or to enable the root account but he has to accept that help in weird configs may be imposible to give
[15:53] <erUSUL> webmin*
[18:46] <CourageTheCoward> AlanBell here at last
[18:46] <AlanBell> good stuff
[18:46] <AlanBell> popey I think CourageTheCoward's ban has duely expired
[18:52] <AlanBell> CourageTheCoward: can you try joining #ubuntu-uk please
[18:53] <CourageTheCoward> what do you know it worked
[18:54] <AlanBell> CourageTheCoward: do behave and you will stay unbanned
[18:55] <CourageTheCoward> I will
[18:55] <AlanBell> CourageTheCoward: I would suggest not saying much for a bit
[18:55] <CourageTheCoward> thats what I'm gonna do
[19:36]  * popey starts the clock
[19:59]  * DJones wonders whether CourageTheCoward claiming to have an Apple 1 is sufficient grounds for a ban
[19:59] <bazhang> today?
[20:00] <DJones> Yep, his ban in -uk has been removed
[20:04] <IdleOne> old hardware is not a good reason for a ban.
[20:05] <IdleOne> continuing to use said old or ancient hardware is
[20:05] <IdleOne> DJones: go for it :)
[20:05] <rww> IdleOne: approximately 30 to 50 Apple I computers exist.
[20:06] <IdleOne> ok
[20:06] <IdleOne> not possible he owns one?
[20:06] <IdleOne> chances are slim I agree
[20:06] <rww> ;P
[20:06] <IdleOne> I really don't care if he does or doesn't
[20:07]  * IdleOne needs to eat.
[20:07] <IdleOne> I feel my dyabetuz flaring up
[20:07] <IdleOne> LOL
[20:14] <DJones> IdleOne: My thoughts were < 50 exist, the chances of a 13 year old (ish) schoolboy owning one would be pretty minimal
[21:34] <Lucido> Hi, I just setup cron-apt to send me emails about updates. These email always have the sender address root@myserver.tld   Where could I change that? Probably no config of cron-apt itself...
[21:34] <Lucido> running ubuntu 10.04 LTS
[21:35] <erUSUL> support in #ubuntu
[21:35] <k1l> Lucido: this is not a support channel. i think u want to try #ubuntu
[21:37] <Lucido> k