[00:34] <kkathman> Greetings folks - I wonder if I could get some help with my renewal?  I received an email saying that my status would end on Sunday, but the link to renewal sends me to a page that  simply says "Not allowed here"
[00:35] <kkathman> I think the problem could be that I have more than one login?
[00:42] <popey> kkathman: renewal to what?
[00:44] <kkathman> popey:  my ops status in kubuntu-offtopic
[00:45] <kkathman> Looks to be a standard launchpad kind of renewal, except it takes me to a page I can't access
[00:46] <Flannel> kkathman: Which page does it take you to?
[00:47] <kkathman> Flannel:  you want the URL?
[00:48] <Flannel> kkathman: Aye
[00:48] <kkathman> it sends me to:  https://launchpad.net/~kkathman/+expiringmembership/irc-kubuntu-offtopic-ops
[00:49] <kkathman> Then it simply says "Not Allowed Here"
[00:50] <Flannel> Hmm, well, that's the page it should send you to.  If you just go to launchpad.net are you logged in with your -verizon account? or just kkathman?
[00:50] <kkathman> it says in the upper right kkathman-verizon
[00:50] <Pici> Why would you need two launchpad accounts?
[00:51] <Flannel> Alright, try logging out and logging back in with just plain kkathman, then go to the URL it gave you
[00:51] <kkathman> which is weird, because I can login with kkathman@verizon.net and my password just fine
[00:51] <kkathman> Flannel...ok...will do
[00:51] <Flannel> kkathman: It sounds like you were trying to go to "kkathman"s page, with kkathman-verizon, which obviously, you're not allowed to do.
[00:52] <kkathman> well, it gives me an error- Invalid email
[00:52] <Flannel> I would think LP should say "You're not kkathman! please log in!" instead of just "not allowed", but such is the nature of launchpad.
[00:52] <Flannel> kkathman: You'll want to solve that then :)
[00:53] <Flannel> looks like the email for that account is at entdyn.com
[00:53] <kkathman> OH?
[00:53] <kkathman> hmm
[00:53] <kkathman> one sec then
[00:54] <Flannel> kkathman: You're the one with two accounts, you tell me :)
[00:55] <kkathman> Flannel:   That did it...many thanks :)
[00:56] <kkathman> One is much older than the other, and I think when they went to launchpad, it brounght that oldest one over, and I probably thought I needed to create a new one
[01:14] <marienz> that was a little abrupt, but I've been chasing after a wave of silly proxies
[01:14] <marienz> I'm fairly certain this was one of them
[01:17] <IdleOne> klines expire do they not?
[01:17] <marienz> yes
[01:17] <IdleOne> ok
[01:17] <IdleOne> thank you marienz
[01:18] <marienz> repeating what I said here right before you joined:
 that was a little abrupt, but I've been chasing after a wave of silly proxies
 I'm fairly certain this was one of them
[01:18] <marienz> that was referring to Alysia, but given the timing that other bunch was probably controlled by the same person
[01:19] <IdleOne> marienz: I was not questioning the kline itself
[01:19] <IdleOne> just wanted to let you know that
[01:20] <IdleOne> so anyway the ban I set on that same host. Will avoid the join/part flooding when the kline expires
[01:20] <marienz> bah, too many hilights going off
[01:20] <marienz> yep
[01:23] <jrib> marienz: k-lines expire automatically?  After how much time?
[01:24] <marienz> depends on the kline
[01:24] <marienz> (and some don't, but most do)
[01:27] <jrib> marienz: I see, thanks
[01:51] <rww> !attitude > manster_
[01:52]  * marienz sighs, noisy evening
[01:54] <jrib> that one was registered :/
[01:54] <marienz> which one?
[01:54] <rww> I was wondering. They showed up as unidentifed to me, but I guess they were registered on another nick, since they got through the +r.
[01:54] <Pici> No.
[01:55] <Pici> They answered the question properly in -unregged
[01:55] <rww> ffs
[01:55] <jrib> ah...
[01:55] <jrib> interesting
[01:56] <marienz> call me triggerhappy, but I'm just going to sit there and kline things fitting the pattern
[01:56] <marienz> some will still get through as I have to be a bit cautious for obvious reasons
[01:57] <marienz> and yes, there's a human behind the wheel of these, afaict, so it's going to get past that check in #-unregged
[01:58] <Pici> bleh
[01:58] <rww> I just switched the question set over, so we'll see.
[02:00] <marienz> this isn't hitting just you, btw, a larger number of what I'm assuming is the same bots hit a few wikipedia channels
[02:00] <marienz> (and one or two were in #freenode earlier)
[02:00]  * Pici doesn't feel special anymore
[02:00] <Pici> :P
[02:01] <IdleOne> marienz: I didn't know staff needed our approval for these types of things
[02:01]  * marienz blinks
[02:01] <marienz> if you think you need my approval for anything I must've worded something poorly
[02:01]  * IdleOne feels a little special
[02:01] <marienz> err, I read that backwards
[02:02] <marienz> can you clarify? :)
[02:02] <rww> nobody needs IdleOne's approval :(
[02:02] <marienz> in my defence: it's 3AM and I was planning to be asleep by now
[02:02] <IdleOne> you did read it backwards
[02:02] <IdleOne> rww: thanks for taking that special feeling I had for all of 15 seconds away
[02:03] <rww> yw
[02:03] <rww> marienz: Is it still going on in other channels?
[02:03] <marienz> it seems to have quieted down for the moment
[02:04] <marienz> I have reason to believe there's a few stragglers though
[02:05] <marienz> jrib: as for your earlier question about kline expiration: they frequently last a multiple of 1 day
 Join #Nationalsozialist now!   <--thought he was banned
[03:52] <bazhang> why is that even continuing?
[03:52] <Jordan_U> I don't know. I hope it will naturally end / move soon though.
[03:53] <bazhang> perhaps a mute -t600 would do
[03:53] <rww> and there it goes.
[03:53] <bazhang> heh. putting ass* as a highlight gets a lot of assume
[03:53] <Jordan_U> And MariaKeys' actual support question was an interesting one :(
[04:08] <rww> tonyyarusso: furthermore, stalker.pl comes up with "usbboot, ubufind, ubusammyn150, ubuwifi, uburediculous, ubuquake, ubufool"
[04:08] <rww> it's that ubu* person on va.comcast.net that pops up every so often ;)
[04:09] <tonyyarusso> ubuwifi's the only one I've seen before.
[04:10] <rww> they irritated me a month or two ago about something, so I keep an eye on them >.>
[04:14] <rww> grep -R psyBNC2 irclogs/freenode/#ubuntu is... interesting.
[04:23] <rww> DaGeek247 is now in PM complaining that I devoiced him because he likes his name being at the top of the userlist :|
[04:23] <tonyyarusso> lol
[04:23] <Flannel> rww: suggest he change his nick to aaaaaGeek247
[04:24]  * Flannel is amazed people even use userlists.
[04:24] <rww> done, though I think it sorts symbols first anyway ;P
[04:25] <Flannel> I can see it now, SOH SOH SOH SOH Geek247
[04:29] <rww> LOL, he did it.
[04:32] <rww> chocolaate-maan just CTCPed #ubuntu-women with that link, so they're now banforwarded over here from #ubuntu so I can see if I can get an explanation out of them if they rejoin #ubuntu.
[04:37]  * rww watches maco get highlights in -ot
[04:37] <maco> hi rww
[04:37] <maco> yup yup
[04:38] <rww> chocolaate-maan: Hello. Would you like to explain why you're wandering through #ubuntu* channels spamming a link to a sketchy looking URL?
[04:41] <rww> Actually, correction. Change "#ubuntu* channels" to a large number of freenode channels, if Google is anything to go by.
[04:51] <rww> elky: would you kindly remove chocolaate-maan from the channel?
[04:52] <rww> ta
[04:57] <Amaranth> rww: Yeah, he hit #compiz-dev too, oddly
[04:57] <Amaranth> Should probably contact staff
[05:01]  * rww lurks in #freenode, waiting for a staffer to speak
[05:03] <Jordan_U> Amaranth: Is compiz-dev logged publicly?
[05:03] <Amaranth> Jordan_U: I don't think so
[05:03] <Jordan_U> My guess is that this is just a way to get that link to show up in search results.
[05:04] <rww> that was my thought too
[05:04] <rww> but -women isn't either.
[05:11] <rww> ah, #freenode's been discussing it already. Including pasting the link. Because they're doing it wrong :|
[05:13] <Flannel> Why does everyone feel like spamming the guy with factoids
[05:13] <rww> oh fun, threatening to ban-evade
[05:14] <rww> and, because bot abuse is #ubuntu's favorite hobby.
[05:23] <rww> This bro-silliness was slightly amusing in an ironic way for about five minutes :|
[05:30] <elky> Oh yay, defocus has spilled in to -ot again?
[06:03] <rww> elky: PerfM? yeah, happened a couple of days ago.
[06:04] <elky> She got de-voiced in defocus a few days ago, I guess someone invited her over here :(
[06:05] <rww> I find -ot's repeated inability to grasp that politeness is a good thing amusing.
[06:07] <elky> You're mixing up your vocabulary again.
[06:08] <rww> oops, I said "amusing" when I meant "annoying" again. I should stop that.
[06:23]  * rww facepalms
[11:24] <bazhang> troll in -ot
[11:25] <Tm_T> you mean Lando Calrissian -lookalike
[11:25] <bazhang> yeppers
[11:27] <Tm_T> bah, didn't go as expected
[11:28] <bazhang> he's quoting blazing saddles, an american comedy
[11:29] <Tm_T> sorry, but I'm not in the mood
[11:29] <bazhang> hes bad news all around
[11:29] <Tm_T> also, food ->
[11:38] <Daviey> !regression-alert <-- I thought that was supposed to have a factoid.  :(
[11:38] <Daviey> !regression-alert
[11:38] <Daviey> ahhh!
[11:38] <bazhang> !recursion
[11:39] <bazhang> !recursion-#ubuntu-offtopic
[15:51] <raido> Ubnutu IRC mods, please take a look at the following discussion: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/147061
[15:51] <raido> I wold like to propose a change to the text that ubottu supplies when an inquiry is made regarding root access
[15:51] <raido> Perhaps we can limit the response to supplying the following link: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo#Enabling%20the%20root%20account
[15:51] <raido> !root is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo#Enabling%20the%20root%20account
[15:52] <LjL> how about no
[15:52] <LjL> of course everybody is free to do however they please
[15:52] <LjL> but that doesn't mean we're going to support that in the channel
[15:52] <LjL> or spoonfed how to do it
[15:53] <LjL> for that matter, that very RootSudo page has in the past had edit wars on whether to include the "sudo passwd" instructions or not
[15:54] <raido> LjL: I dont see how it compels anyone to provide support
[15:55] <IdleOne> it doesn't compel anyone to provide support but it gives the false impression to the user that if they follow that link then #ubuntu will support it.
[15:55] <IdleOne> use sudo -i if you really need extended root privs
[15:55] <LjL> not to mention that the *current* !root factoid is meant to provide information on how to do thing the right way, i.e. by using 'sudo'
[15:55] <LjL> which is why it links to the whole sudo page
[15:55] <LjL> instead, you want to link only to the specific instructions for enabling root? why?
[15:58] <raido> LjL: Whit I think is right is that if a user wants to enable root they should not be turned away, advice on sudu is great but the user should be free to use root if he wishes and why should we not show them how to do so?
[15:58] <LjL> but we do.
[15:58] <LjL> we already link to that page.
[15:59] <LjL> that page has a section on enabling root.
[15:59] <LjL> ergo, we show them how to enable root.
[15:59] <LjL> if they can't scroll down, then they won't find out how to enable root - too bad.
[16:00] <raido> LjL: the link is not the issue, its the statement by ubottu "We do not support setting a root password. Please don't offer instructions on how to set a root password or ask for help with setting it" that is my concern
[16:00] <IdleOne> raido: Think of it this way, you buy a car and want to install some Turbo booster thingy to increase engine performance. The manufacturer doesn't tell you that you can't but they do tell you that if you do the guarantee will be voided and they will not repair any damages to the engine if you make such changes.
[16:01] <raido> IdleOne: thats acceptable but current ubottu response differs from your argument
[16:01] <IdleOne> You can enable root, but #ubuntu will not help you repair it when you break stuff.
[16:02] <LjL> and i don't see why it should do that googling for you
[16:02] <LjL> of course #ubuntu usually doesn't tell you to google
[16:02] <raido> IdleOne: #Ubuntu isnt "required" to help with anything are they?
[16:02] <LjL> but if you're trying to hit yourself on the foot, then help yourself. that's what i think
[16:02] <IdleOne> correct
[16:03] <raido> LjL: Its about the users freedom. Hit self in foot once, one wont likely do it again. Thi is the precess of learning
[16:04] <LjL> the freedom argument is nonsense. the user is "free" to do whatever they want *with Ubuntu*
[16:04] <LjL> they're just not free to do whatever they want *with the channel*
[16:04] <IdleOne> raido: the support provided in #ubuntu is entirely voluntary but we do have rules and guidelines. You want to go and hit yourself in the foot, go ahead but we don't have to watch you do it or tell you how to do it.
[16:04] <raido> LjL: yes, so lets not have ubottu implu otherwise
[16:04] <raido> imply
[16:05] <IdleOne> I see nothing wrong with the factoid as is. I believe telling people we don't support it and not to ask how to do it is completely reasonable.
[16:05] <LjL> so ubottu doesn't even has to *say* it for you to feel bad about it, but merely *imply* it in your opinion?
[16:05] <LjL> seems a bit too much to me
[16:05] <raido> IdleOne: I agree, but do you not see something offensive in the ubbotu response?
[16:05] <LjL> no
[16:05] <IdleOne> no I don't
[16:05] <LjL> the ubottu response is a Matrix citation
[16:05] <LjL> it's supposed to be *fun*
[16:05] <LjL> perhaps some people should aquire a sense of humor
[16:05] <IdleOne> I see it as a clear WARNING.
[16:06] <raido> We do not support setting a root password. Please don't offer instructions on how to set a root password or ask for help with setting it
[16:06] <LjL> that's not !root, that's !noroot
[16:06] <raido> seems a bit more like bug off
[16:06] <IdleOne> !root
[16:06] <LjL> and it never says or implies that you cannot set root on your machine
[16:06] <LjL> it's just about the *channel*
[16:06] <IdleOne> !noroot
[16:07] <LjL> and !noroot was created because people would start endless arguments about it in #ubuntu and go offtopic
[16:07] <LjL> so that factoid was made to make these arguments stop
[16:08] <LjL> !no noroot is <reply> We do not support setting a root password. You're free to do it on your own machine, but please don't offer instructions on how to set a root password or ask for help with setting it. See !root and !wfm for more information.
[16:08] <LjL> there, if it's changed it doesn't imply anything anymore, states it clearly
[16:08] <IdleOne> !no noroot is <reply> We do not support setting a root password. You're free to do it on your own machine, but please don't offer instructions on how to set a root password or ask for help with setting it. See !root and !wfm for more information.
[16:08] <IdleOne> done
[16:08] <IdleOne> everybody happy ? :)
[16:09] <raido> Well, I understand the argument you make from the IRC op/mod perspective, Im suree you have debates it much. I just feel that the ubottu response is contrary to the liberation that free software affords its users, and I wish it didnt do that.
[16:10] <IdleOne> raido: the factoid the way it was before I just changed it did not say you couldn't set a root pass. All it said is we don't support it.
[16:10] <IdleOne> the WE being #ubuntu and all it's users who are expected to follow channel guidelines
[16:10] <tsimpson> you are free to do as you wish with your system, and our support people are free not to offer assistance when people do things they explicitly advise against
[16:10] <raido> Its better. And thank you for discussing it with me.
[16:10] <tsimpson> everyone has the freeness :)
[16:11] <IdleOne> raido: thank you and welcome
[16:11] <raido> Just curious, would a mod kick a user for giving such instructions in the #ubuntu on enabling root?
[16:11] <IdleOne> we would ask that they take the discussion elsewhere
[16:12] <raido> ok
[16:12] <IdleOne> but
[16:12] <IdleOne> if you don't move it elsewhere you might get removed
[16:12] <raido> fair enough
[16:13] <IdleOne> raido: also on irc mods are called ops
[16:14] <IdleOne> just saying :)
[16:15] <raido> tsimpson: yes, and thats what im hoping for, you know, new users will screw up their machines with things like root or otherwise, because they are newbies, but because they are newbies they also dont understand the full implication of free software use and the community at large needs to remember that and educate the new user on their new found freedoms.
[16:16] <raido> IdleOne: gotcha
[16:16] <ikonia> raido: people are being educated by being told not to use root
[16:16] <ikonia> using sudo is the correct ubuntu supported security model
[16:16] <ikonia> people are being helped by being told not to bypass it
[16:18] <raido> ikonia: yep, and thats a fine, its a design decision i dont disagree with
[16:19] <ikonia> great, so there we go, no problems
[16:20] <raido> cheers everyone
[16:30] <IdleOne> raido: Please don't sit idle in this channel.
[16:30] <IdleOne> I feel like such an hypocrite every time I ask someone not to idle in here
[16:30]  * IdleOne changes nick to NotIdleJustIdleOne
[16:37] <bazhang> I was going to say give him enough rope, but he's already gone
[17:15] <ikonia> the ubottu pm reminder system seems to be bugging recently, it's sending two reminders at a time for each reminder
[17:23] <jussi> ikonia: could you PM me with what you are getting?
[17:23] <ikonia> jussi: the normal reminder to follow up on a ban, but repeated twice
[17:24] <ikonia> nothing fancy,
[17:24] <jussi> ikonia: I suspect you are getting one for the remove and one for the ban?
[17:24] <ikonia> I've not removed the ban
[17:24] <ikonia> (I'll double check though)
[17:24] <jussi> ikonia: no, remove as in kick
[17:24] <ikonia> ah
[17:25] <ikonia> jussi: don't think so as the ban id is the same
[17:25] <ikonia> I'd expect it to be two different ID's if it was for a kick and a ban
[17:25] <jussi> yes, it should
[17:25] <IdleOne> is one a /notice and the other a /query?
[17:26] <ikonia> doesn't apper to be, just 2 pm's from ubottu straight after each othger
[17:26] <jussi> Ubottu shouldnt be noticing you (at least not currently)
[17:26] <IdleOne> jussi: what!?
[17:26] <jussi> yeah, I know ubottu, now shush
[17:26]  * IdleOne doesn't want notices from bot
[17:26] <jussi> IdleOne: hehe, thats a bit ambiguous...
[17:26]  * IdleOne pets ubottu 
[17:27] <IdleOne> love you bot but don't notice me
[17:27] <jussi> ikonia: anyway, if you could give me the paste, then I can look up the nmber in th log (maybe, cant remeber what the log spits out at this second)
[17:28] <IdleOne> I have made a discovery about ubottu, less bans one sets is equal to less messages received from ubottu
[17:28] <ikonia> jussi: it's waiting for you
[17:29] <jussi> IdleOne: wow, you are smart today :P
[17:29] <jussi> !cookie | IdleOne
[17:29] <IdleOne> jussi: I took my meds :P
[17:29] <jussi> meh
[17:29] <jussi> slowbot today
[17:38] <jussi> Just a reminder, Ubuntu IRCC meeting in ~30 mins :=) (unless I screwed up my times)
[17:38] <tsimpson> ~22
[17:40] <jussi> lol
[18:43] <AlanBell> hi all, anyone had trouble with CourageTheCoward in the last week or so
[18:44] <IdleOne> AlanBell: let me check the ban tracker
[18:45] <ikonia> there was talk about this today I believe,
[18:45] <ikonia> my last log says I'm wrong though, so ignore that
[18:45] <IdleOne> AlanBell: I don't see anything in BT for that nick
[18:45] <AlanBell> ok, thanks
[18:47] <bazhang> thats nerml?
[18:47] <IdleOne> AlanBell: ^^
[18:48] <AlanBell> bazhang: not sure, he has rather a lot of nicks
[18:48] <bazhang> AlanBell, seems to be. bolt, nerml, catdog, etc
[18:48] <AlanBell> bazhang: yeah that is a garfield character
[18:49] <bazhang> AlanBell, one of his many, yes
[18:49] <bazhang> only odie has been spared
[18:49] <AlanBell> has nerml been +b or +q in the last month?
[18:49] <IdleOne> his current ip has nothing in BT
[18:49] <IdleOne> that I can see
[18:50] <bazhang> not in the last week. not sure about month
[18:51] <ikonia> bazhang: I believe arline has not been used
[18:52] <Picipod> Who is being discussed?
[18:52] <IdleOne> Pici: AlanBell> hi all, anyone had trouble with CourageTheCoward in the last week or so
[18:52] <ikonia> bolt/many_names
[18:52] <bazhang> Picipod, bolt of garfield fame
[18:52] <ikonia> jim davis, etc
[18:53] <Picipod> Ah. Doesn't ring a bell for me. But I can't check my logs here
[18:53] <AlanBell> garzooka/phineas/ferb etc
[18:53] <ikonia> the list of names is too many to remember
[19:03] <ikonia> hello raido
[19:03] <raido> hi
[19:03] <ikonia> how can we help ?
[19:04] <raido> Im all ok, thanks.
[19:04] <IdleOne> raido: we have a no idle policy.
[19:07] <AlanBell> ok, CourageTheCoward has been unbanned in -uk now
[19:08] <ikonia> AlanBell: give it a week, +b will be back
[19:28] <bazhang> perfm in -ot
[19:29] <rww> bazhang: did they get banned from there since I was last awake?
[19:29] <bazhang> perfm was pushing it severely rww but not banned afaik
[19:30] <rww> ah, fun.
[19:38] <rww> Can someone pastebin -meeting from the start of this hour to about 20 minutes past the hour, please?
[19:40] <KB1JWQ> Sure, which pastebin?
[19:40] <KB1JWQ> rww: ^^
[19:41] <rww> KB1JWQ: Whichever you like. Preferably one that doesn't have 100-character URLs, I'm in the console >.>
[19:41] <IdleOne> got it, gimme a sec
[19:42] <IdleOne> http://paste.ubuntu.com/573182/
[19:42] <rww> thanks much
[19:42] <IdleOne> no problem
[19:42] <KB1JWQ> http://pastebin.com/jvzrchDp
[19:42] <KB1JWQ> Doh.
[19:42] <KB1JWQ> I'm too slow.
[19:42] <IdleOne> KB1JWQ: :)
[19:43] <bazhang> heh me too
[19:43] <KB1JWQ> Had to navigate my log directory from crappy conference wireless.
[19:43] <KB1JWQ> On the plus side, now we figure out that IdleOne has been falsifying logs. :-D
[19:43] <bazhang> loads of "highlights" in that one
[19:43] <IdleOne> KB1JWQ: that isn't funny on any level
[19:43] <IdleOne> I have no reason to ever fake a log
[19:44] <KB1JWQ> Apologies, my sense of humor is a bit "off" today.
[19:44] <bazhang> the channel was like #ubuntu-sailors
[19:44] <IdleOne> no worries I knew you meant it as a joke but log readers will take that out of context
[19:44] <KB1JWQ> Ah, I keep forgetting this channel is logged publically.
[19:44] <IdleOne> indeed
[19:45] <bazhang> ikonia, you removing all your bans?
[19:46] <ikonia> pretty much
[19:47] <bazhang> perhaps we all should
[19:48] <IdleOne> ikonia: why?
[19:48] <IdleOne> those bans are really needed
[19:48] <bazhang> well reban if necessary
[19:48] <IdleOne> I mean there are probably some that can be removed but there are some that should stick
[19:49] <rww> IdleOne: then re-add them.
[19:49] <IdleOne> bazhang: good point
[19:49] <KB1JWQ> Didn't realize I'd set one that didn't auto-expire, that may be due to my client quitting (almost everything I do is time restricted).
[19:49] <KB1JWQ> I just pulled it.
[19:49] <ikonia> I don't believe they are valid any longer so I'm removing them
[19:49] <niko> ikonia: you doubled or tripled each unban i guess
[19:49] <ikonia> niko: few entries in BT are duplicate, cut and paste typos,
[19:50] <IdleOne> !canibeanop > KB1JWQ
[19:50] <rww> lol
[19:50] <IdleOne> hehe
[19:51] <IdleOne> might as well see what you need to become op
[19:51] <KB1JWQ> Hah, yeah.
[19:51] <KB1JWQ> "I CAN HAZ OPS PLZ?"
[19:51] <IdleOne> that way people don't say staff favors #ubuntu
[19:51] <niko> !canibeanop > niko
[19:51] <bazhang> overwork and grumpiness seems prerequisites
[19:52] <rww> the latter can be fixed by taking a break from the former :)
[19:52]  * IdleOne takes a break from the latter which in this case is the former
[19:53] <IdleOne> what!
[19:54] <rww> one hopes that Pici's stats graphs do /mode #ubuntu b and count, rather than subtracting one for each /mode #ubuntu -b
[19:54] <ikonia>  /join #ubuntu-bots-devel
[19:54] <ikonia> oops
[20:08] <Tm_T> hi genii
[20:08] <Tm_T> ...and good night everyone
[20:09] <bazhang> so jungli alabd and gobo are unbanned in #ubuntu
[20:09] <ikonia> yes
[20:09] <bazhang> the last was mine
[20:09] <ikonia> which one ?
[20:09] <bazhang> perhaps we should just clear them all
[20:10] <ikonia> sorry, which one did I do which was yours (apologies I was looking at the ones set with my cloak)
[20:10] <ikonia> I must have missed a line
[20:10] <bazhang> no worries, I think you have the right idea
[20:11] <rww> I note that you also removed !*@*trollbot.org, which was mine, but I concur with bazhang.
[20:11] <ikonia> are you sure, I can put it back, simple mistake so many lines on screeen and a few don't tally up in BT
[20:11] <ikonia> rww: that's showing up in BT as mine ???
[20:11] <bazhang> if they are issues in the future we can re-ban
[20:11] <rww> ikonia: BT# 37293
[20:11] <ikonia> Hmmm I wonder if that's why it won't show up as unbanned in BT as you've banned it
[20:12] <rww> ikonia: yours was BT35027, note the difference in number of wildcards.
[20:12] <bazhang> we dont clear them out frequently enough
[20:12] <ikonia> rww: thank you
[20:12] <nhandler> bazhang: That was one of the main reasons I brought up adding eir
[20:13] <bazhang> I need to remove ass* as a highlight; everyone is saying assume today
[20:14] <nhandler> bazhang: Or adjust the hilight so it only matches on that exact word (not when it is part of a word)
[20:14] <bazhang> nhandler, yes, remove the * , good point
[20:17] <rww> ikonia: could you review your copypastes to make sure they're not actually on lines by themselves and echoing to channel, please?
[20:17] <ikonia> ok, I think that's them all
[20:17] <rww> ah, nvm then
[20:19] <KB1JWQ> Ugh, I can't imagine adding a list of profanity to my hilight list.  It'd drive me nuts. :-)
[20:19] <KB1JWQ> Too false positive prone.
[20:19] <bazhang> first time ever for me, today.
[20:20] <bazhang> in the past was only my nick, and BACON
[20:20] <rww> The only things on my highlight list are my nick and my firstlast (since I've used it as a nick). Anything else is spammy.
[20:20] <KB1JWQ> Let's see...
[20:20] <KB1JWQ> 54 hilights at the moment.
[20:20] <bazhang> yikes. I've got five
[20:21] <KB1JWQ> Well some might be useful-- I have a common forkbomb in there, for instance.
[20:21] <bazhang> well you actually knows things about linux :)
[20:21] <KB1JWQ> I get a LOT of false positives on die.net as well.
[20:22] <KB1JWQ> Apparently it's become a rather popular reference site.
[20:23] <KB1JWQ> I also hilight on ! followed by ops.
[20:38] <rww> I don
[20:38] <rww> 't do that, mainly because I'm ops on most of the channels I'm in :\
[20:50] <Flannel> Excuse me for being completely ignorant, but from what I understand, the features we're looking to gain through the use of eir (customizable nagging and customizable autoremove) seem to be easier to just add to ubottu, instead of the nightmare of merrying/integrating the two for comments/etc.
[20:55] <tsimpson> Flannel: no, it's not easier to add to ubottu, otherwise I'd have done so
[20:56] <tsimpson> eventually ubottu will do it, but why not use eir in the meantime
[20:56] <bazhang> natty has a root terminal item in the accessories list
[20:56] <Flannel> tsimpson: Because the integration with eir seems like it'd take just as long to do as adding that functionality to ubottu
[20:56] <rww> bazhang: so have previous devel releases. They clean up the menus later in the cycle than now.
[20:57] <bazhang> rww, and remove it, do you suppose?
[20:57] <rww> bazhang: yes, presuming it's not in maverick and lucid either
[20:57] <tsimpson> Flannel: it's not going to integrate with eir, it'll just notice the commands you give to eir and take comments from that
[20:58] <Flannel> tsimpson: er....
[20:58] <Flannel> tsimpson: so, any comments we want in eir need to be done in a channel?
[20:58] <bazhang> eir is replacing chanserv?
[20:58] <LjL> eir is ALIVE?
[20:59] <tsimpson> Flannel: if you want ubottu to automatically pick up the comment you give to eir
[20:59] <Flannel> tsimpson: Are we going to have a designated "spam channel" for that interface?
[20:59] <rww> that's suboptimal. Perhaps we need yet another -ops- channel for all these notices and commentings.
[20:59] <bazhang> #ubuntu
[20:59] <rww> lol
[20:59] <tsimpson> why not do it here?
[20:59] <Flannel> tsimpson: because this is publically logged, comments need not be.
[21:00] <tsimpson> well we do have our shiny new channel
[21:00] <LjL> you do already
[21:00] <LjL> then i guess i won't suggest (again) that you use OMSG/ONOTICE instead ;P
[21:00] <bazhang> the secret one
[21:01] <Flannel> so secret, we don't even know the name!
[21:01] <rww> /msg nickserv listchans ;P
[21:01] <bazhang> -ops-team
[21:01] <tsimpson> it was stated publicly in #ubuntu-meeting ;)
[21:01]  * rww was doing it anyway to find out whether he got added to #ubuntu+1 and #ubuntu-release-party's access lists, stumbled across it
[21:01] <tsimpson> you may need to /cs invite #ubuntu-ops-team to get in
[21:01] <rww> tsimpson: psh, who reads that!
[21:01] <bazhang> [Mootbot] knows
[21:01] <rww> (you do need to /cs invite, yes)
[21:02] <tsimpson> if you op yourself, you can set /mode +I $a:your_nickserv_account
[21:02] <LjL> it's ironic that the fact this channel is logged has, though it took a while, eventually resulted in more secrecy :P
[21:03] <bazhang> Mark Twain said something about that
[21:03] <Flannel> Now I have to figure out what window number that channel is going to have.  grumble.
[21:03] <rww> perhaps we can remove the no-idle policy and co-ordinate responses to bot attacks in there now ;P
[21:03]  * rww imagines that will happen sometime before heat death of universe
[21:04] <bazhang> hah
[21:04] <LjL> i think bot attacks stuff should still be done in -monitor, that's where the attacks are reported in the first place after all, and some ops might not be interested in those at all in the first place
[21:05] <bazhang> so commenting in here that a user is causing issues should now be done in the new channel?
[21:05] <LjL> let me answer that before someone else does: no
[21:05] <bazhang> good
[21:05] <LjL> if you want to, but not as a rule, please no
[21:07] <bazhang> so people with ops in core channels can be in there, ie the exact same makeup of this channel, minus ubuntulo1
[21:07] <LjL> you have this new channel - good, more choice for ops to decide where to say things, because each person is different about how they feel about saying things :) don't turn it into a "things absolutely must be done here/there and in this/that way" thing, that's my wish
[21:08] <rww> wiki page isn't a requirement for applying for channel ops any more, is it?
[21:09] <rww> IRCC meeting says no, OperatorRequirements says yes :\
[21:09] <LjL> why do you ask
[21:09] <LjL> do you intend NOT to have a shiny wiki page?
[21:09] <rww> because I'm about to apply for some channel ops
[21:09] <LjL> are you CRAZY?
[21:09] <rww> and yes, I intent to not have a shiny wiki page.
[21:09] <LjL> STONE HIM
[21:10]  * rww double-checks meeting log, decides meeting log is right and someone just forgot, edits OperatorRequirements boldly
[21:10] <LjL> what do you think this is, some free encyclopedia?
[21:11] <rww> Internal Server Error!
[21:11] <LjL> teaches you to be bold
[21:11]  * rww hits refresh, beats wiki.ubuntu.com
[21:11]  * rww trots off to apply for some channelz
[21:15] <tsimpson> rww: you know *!*@ubuntu/member/* has access in -meeting?
[21:16] <niko> but not ubuntu.member.* :)
[21:17] <tsimpson> not yet, but we plan to fix that
[21:17] <rww> tsimpson: I did not. Never mind that one then.
[21:17] <rww> umm, doesn't that give ubuntu/member/* +v rights in here, since #ubuntu-meeting is a core channel?
[21:17] <rww> or is that just named ops
[21:17] <LjL> perhaps in a Kafkian world
[21:17] <LjL> which this one isn't, right?
[21:18] <tsimpson> rww: just named ops, not masks
[21:18] <rww> yay
[21:18] <rww> LjL: I'm sorry, I was under the impression that rules nitpicking was a time-honored tradition and favored activity of some of our ops. I will stop trying to fit in ;P
[21:20]  * rww wishes nickserv was magical and listchans parsed masks
[21:20] <LjL> rww: you can try to fit in, but that'll peel much of your skin off. and then i'll come and rub it with chilli pepper. your choice.
[22:33] <MadHaTTer_777> hello im hoping to get unbanned from the ubuntu room i will behave i cant gurantee i wont use txt type but i8ll try in that room
[22:35] <highvoltage> e/win 28
[22:35] <MadHaTTer_777> ?
[22:37] <MadHaTTer_777> anyone there that would care to look at unbanning mer?
[22:38] <LjL> please be patient
[22:38] <MadHaTTer_777> ok
[22:38] <LjL> i'm not an op in #ubuntu, you will have to wait for someone who is
[22:38] <LjL> ideally the one who banned you in the first place
[22:38] <MadHaTTer_777> ok thanks
[22:41] <MadHaTTer_777> matt you there?
[22:44] <MadHaTTer_777> not sure who banned me... either ikonia, Tm_T, or LjL
[22:45] <LjL> certainly not i
[22:45] <MadHaTTer_777> ok
[22:48] <MadHaTTer_777> can you look that up for me so i know who i need to talk to??
[22:48] <popey> @btlogin
[22:48] <LjL> actually no, i don't have access to that
[22:50] <popey> seems you were originally kicked frmo #ubuntu for repeatedly being silly with the bot
[22:50] <MadHaTTer_777> My guess is Ikonia so its going to be a long wait because he told me not to PM him.
[22:50] <MadHaTTer_777> yeah sounds about right popey
[22:51] <popey> no, mneptok kicked you originally, not ikonia
[22:51] <MadHaTTer_777> holy i didnt even remember that name
[22:51] <popey> then when you came here to dispute / resolve your kick you weren't exactly helpful.
[22:52] <MadHaTTer_777> yeah its been a while but sounds about right
[22:52] <popey> 17th feb
[22:52] <MadHaTTer_777> whats today?
[22:53] <MadHaTTer_777> really its only been 10 days?
[22:53] <popey> yes
[22:54] <popey> I would come back another time, during the USA weekday daytime would probably catch most people
[22:54] <MadHaTTer_777> ive flown across the country and back and taken what i considered a long break from the computer
[22:54] <MadHaTTer_777> amazing only 10 days
[22:55] <MadHaTTer_777> i could have sworn it had been over a month
[22:55] <popey> hmm
[22:56] <popey> it seems you've been using various MadHaTTer_XXX names
[22:56] <MadHaTTer_777> i guess thats what i get for being a computer geek with no sence of time
[22:56] <MadHaTTer_777> yes
[22:56] <popey> I missed that
[22:56] <popey> in which case on Feb 16th the first kick was indeed from ikonia after you were asked to tone down your language
[22:56] <MadHaTTer_777> something wrong with that?
[22:57] <MadHaTTer_777> ahh
[22:58] <popey> well it seems like you're also evading bans
[22:58] <popey> by changing nickname to avoid the bans already put in place
[22:58] <MadHaTTer_777> yeah my current chat client has me put in sercondary names and sometimes im chatting on multiple computers with different IPś at random
[22:59] <MadHaTTer_777> oh i wasnt trying to evade
[23:00] <popey> Anyway, as I said, come back during daylight USA hours.
[23:01] <MadHaTTer_777> i have my regular modem one i built a antenna for and my phone they all have different qualities and i change up depending on the weather
[23:01] <MadHaTTer_777> the names thing sometimes it doesnt log me out properly so i get the name already in use and switch to another number
[23:02] <MadHaTTer_777> daylight usa hours it is isnt it?
[23:02] <popey> during the working week I said.
[23:03] <MadHaTTer_777> ohh ok i kind of was hoping to get this resolved today
[23:05] <popey> They dont seem to be active right now.
[23:06] <MadHaTTer_777> ill wait Ikonia usually comes on every day
[23:06] <MadHaTTer_777> ive spoken to him several times since the ban
[23:07] <popey> we have a no idle policy here, please come back tomorrow
[23:07] <MadHaTTer_777> ok
[23:08] <MadHaTTer_777> how about later instead of tomarrow
[23:08] <popey> Well, it's 23:08 in the UK where ikonia lives, so yeah, tomorrow, later today, basically in about 10 or more hours
[23:09] <MadHaTTer_777> yeah it will onluy be midnight here thank you much for your help popey
[23:09] <popey> np