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cyberangerchibihogoshino: look who's back00:02
chibihogoshinommmmm :-)00:02
cyberangerhttp://xkcd.com/864/00:12
cyberangerthat's a good one00:13
chibihogoshinolol ..00:21
cyberangerchibihogoshino: you like it ;-)00:50
chibihogoshinoyeah00:50
chibihogoshinoi can soo see that happening00:50
techMilesoh man, guys.. I just woke up, and thought it was 7:30am01:29
techMilesand I was freaking out going 'I don't even remember what happened after I got home yesterday!01:29
techMiles'01:29
cyberangerouch, lol01:37
techMilesyes. lol01:37
techMilesthen the girlfriend goes 'why do you think it should be light out?' I said 'i guess it's from cloud cover or something' as we're suposed to have more rain today.01:37
techMilesthen she says 'wait, what do you mean, when we got home today or yesterday?' and I said 'waht do you mean y esterday we haven't gone anywhere its 7 o'clock in the morning!'01:38
techMilesshe said 'uhh.... it's evening'.01:38
cyberangerouch01:49
cyberangerand it is somewhat dark at 7am01:50
cyberangerand 7pm01:50
techMilesyeah atm it is.01:50
techMilesanyway I am working on a big project for a professor of mine. :D am excited.01:51
techMilesthis is unrelated, but do you use dropbox?01:51
cyberangerI have in the past01:52
cyberangerthe account does little now01:52
techMilesah.01:52
cyberangerrsync scripts and a server makes it less useful01:53
techMilesAm having an issue w/ it on linux. it's odd, the website says latest version is 1.xxxx, but their downloads pages only have .6xxx, yet I have .7xxx installed, and the repos give no update.01:53
techMilescyberanger, would love to get into that, but for now until I learn it dropbox makes it simple.01:53
cyberangerrsync isn't that hard, since I already run a server, no real data on it (my irc client and a public opennic dns server, not much in data space) it's not enough for a backup of everything, but it's more than dropbox for free01:57
techMilesyeah01:57
cyberangernot sure on dropbox, is it saying the app itself or a supporting lib?01:57
techMilesthe app itself.01:58
techMilesnautilis-dropbox is the repo01:58
techMilespackage01:58
techMilesnautilus*01:58
cyberangerwhich I don't use01:58
techMilesyeah.01:58
cyberangerlucid?01:58
cyberangerI use the cli app01:59
techMilesmaverick01:59
techMilesbtw what irc client do you use?02:00
cyberangerI use a few, irssi and weechat mainly02:01
cyberangerandchat too02:01
cyberangerbut not as often as the other tow02:01
cyberangerbut not as often as the other two02:01
techMilesweechat? O_o02:02
techMilesdo you use any type of a BNC?02:02
cyberangerno, not in a while02:03
cyberangergnu screen and ssh make that a bit moot02:03
cyberangerweechat is a cross between xchat and irssi, in it's UI02:04
cyberangermany other features02:04
cyberangerI primarly use it's FIFO plugin lately02:04
techMilesFIFO plugin? first in - first out? what does that do for it?02:08
cyberangera pipe02:09
cyberangerprogramming pipe02:09
cyberangerfirst in first out being the acrynomym02:10
cyberangerI believe02:10
techMilesAh02:10
cyberangerwell, I've used it to send topics to a channel, based in a bash script02:10
techMilesnicie02:10
techMilesnice*02:10
cyberangerfor this channel, that's useful for meeting day (with plans to automate it further)02:11
techMilesNice.02:11
techMilesI am thinking of taking an intro to linux course this summer02:11
techMilesjust for the credit hours02:11
cyberangerand to send a msg in this channel saying I'm running late, but start the meeting (never sent, since I seem to cancel it, usually since I'm here)02:12
cyberangertechMiles: can you run a line, might help figure out your issue02:12
techMilesand to fill in what gaps there are in my knowledge so far as intro-stuff.02:12
techMilesa line of code? sure02:12
cyberangersudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade first (in case the update is there)02:12
techMilesdid that but will anyway02:13
techMilescan't hurt to do it again02:13
cyberanger(don't have to actually update things, just in case it got missed the first time)02:13
techMilesThere are some, but I'm not sure if they'er ht eproblem or not.02:13
cyberangerthen apt-cache showpkg nautilis-dropbox  | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us02:13
techMilesthey're good to update anyway... had to uninstall part of these that it found with the dist-upgrade due to an issue on the dist-upgrade. kept erroring before i uninstalled.02:14
cyberangerI included the curl bit, since it's a lot of output, best to pastebin02:14
techMilesbunch of xserver-xorg stuff02:14
cyberangerxorg, ugh, that stuff allways seems to conflict badly with itself, on a major upgrade, one reason I do a custom install, less xorg gear02:15
techMilesI can output to a .txt file yeah and copy paste to pastebin?02:15
techMilesyeah.02:15
cyberangerthat command should give you a url with http://sprunge.us/ like http://sprunge.us/FiFo02:16
cyberangerthus skipping that bit02:16
cyberangeroh, you don't have curl, do you?02:16
techMilesI'd like to but have yet to find a lot of time!02:16
techMilesam thinking of going with arch02:16
techMileswhen there's time to do it all02:16
techMilesAhhhh ok.02:16
techMileswell the internet here is messing up so I'll hafta wait a bit for it to update the xorg stuff02:16
cyberangerwell, I was just wanting you to look at the list02:17
cyberangerbtw, you can tell it sudo apt-get -d install, to limit it to a download for later install02:17
cyberangerapt-get will not install without all packages downloaded with clean checksums02:18
techMilesbtw, there a way to get it so that hilighting text in a terminal window automagically copies it, and right-click will automagically paste the clipboard?02:18
cyberangerbut a checksum match does not insure an upgrade error is prevented02:19
cyberangerhighlight and middle click02:19
cyberangerbrb02:19
techMilesno middle-click.02:19
techMiles:(02:20
techMileshttp://sprunge.us/IcZQ02:20
cyberangerwhat's your terminal?02:21
techMileshmm?02:21
cyberangergnome-terminal? an actual tty?02:21
techMilesjust Terminal.02:21
techMilesoh02:22
techMilesgnome-terminal02:22
cyberangeryou did do sudo apt-get update at least, right?02:22
techMilesydes02:22
cyberangerversion is 0.6.702:23
cyberangerare you using an unoffical client?02:24
techMilesno.02:24
cyberangerbut your version is 0.7XX02:25
cyberanger?02:25
cyberangerand not 0.6.702:25
techMilesyes02:25
techMiles0.7.1102:26
techMilesbut on the dropbox website to download, it says version 1.xxx02:26
techMileshttps://www.dropbox.com/install02:26
techMilesam going to get the file via their forums methinks02:28
cyberangerah, that explains it02:28
cyberangerno, your fine, sorta02:28
cyberangerlinux is off02:28
techMileshm?02:29
cyberangerseems the cli client is at the same version, but the nautlius version is shuffled a bit02:30
cyberangerand that might be why02:30
cyberangeridk, I guess going to the forum and asking about the inconsistancy is ok02:31
cyberangerbut if that's your only error, version numbering, you should be ok02:31
techMilesi think they reverted due to so many issues..02:31
techMilesa lot of issues happened with 1.xxxx apparently02:32
techMilesbut I might need to reinstall it. it isn't wanting to sync. -_- go figure.02:32
techMilesidk if it will do LAN sync or not02:32
cyberangerreinstall wouldn't hurt02:33
techMilesbut it'd be to a less-recent version.02:33
techMilesunless I used the link in the forums02:33
cyberangermy suspicions are the natilus code, they reverted to last stable02:33
cyberangerbetter it works, in this case02:33
techMilesyeah02:33
cyberangeroffical source, via a repo02:34
techMilesbut my 0.7.110 (at least for awhile) worked just fine.02:34
techMilesso I guess will apt-get uninstall nautilus-dropbox and reinstall02:34
cyberangersudo apt-get purge nautilus-dropbox, && sudo apt-get install nautilus-dropbox02:34
cyberangerthat'll do it (since it's still in your sources.list02:34
techMilesno comma, yes? lol02:34
cyberangerit can, read, should be done that way)02:35
cyberangeroh, lol, right02:35
cyberangerno comma02:35
cyberangerand perhaps needing spellcheck02:35
techMileslol02:35
techMileshmm unable to locate package nautilus-dropbox02:35
cyberangersudo apt-get purge nautilus-dropbox02:36
cyberangersudo apt-get install nautilus-dropbox02:36
cyberangeroh, hrm02:36
cyberangerwell, sudo apt-get update too?02:37
cyberangeror another download after all02:37
techMilesstill 'cannot locate'02:37
cyberangerhttp://www.dropbox.com/download?dl=packages/nautilus-dropbox_0.6.7_i386.deb02:38
cyberangeror was purge the issue02:38
cyberangerflight delayed an hour, ugh02:39
techMileswtf.02:40
techMilesit says 'sorry, nautilus-dropbox not available for this type of computer (i386)02:40
techMilesyet I tried the x64 version earlier, and it failed.02:40
techMilesand apt-get update goes through i386 packages02:40
techMilesclicking install anyway02:41
techMilesit shows 0.7.110 as the version #02:41
cyberangerheh, well, you could use the command line version too I suppose02:42
cyberangerI hadn't used it in awhile, but it did work02:42
techMileslol...02:42
techMilesI'd rather not if I can avoid it02:42
techMileseventually I'm going to get a disc (since my bootable USB drive didn't even get booted to no matter what I did) of 10.10 and clean isntall02:43
cyberangerwhat disc do you need?02:44
cyberangeryou mean an image, or actual disc?02:44
techMilesI mean burn a disc of the image I have of 10.1002:44
cyberangerah, which image, and what's the holdup02:46
techMilesthe 10.10 desktop image, and I don't know what the holdup is.02:46
techMilesI insert the flashdrive, push the power button and it never boots to it02:46
techMilesand I chcked -- USB is the first in the boot priority02:46
techMilesI think, and sincerely hope that the reading of my CPU temperature is wrong.02:47
techMilesand I'm sure it is.02:47
techMilesit says 84.02:47
techMilesit's going down.... it might be right but it should plummet as the fan is running really high.02:48
techMiles*sigh* this poor laptop.02:48
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cyberangerF or C?02:53
cyberangerhow'd you make your boot disc02:54
techMilescyberanger, universal usb installer? the one Ubuntu has on their downloads page.02:54
techMilesand pretty sure it's C/02:54
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techMilesyeah C.02:54
techMilesotherwise I'd be worried it was cold. lol02:54
cyberanger84C or 84F isn't really 'cold'02:58
techMilesno, but now it's 52.02:58
techMilesif it was 52F it'd be a bit chilly02:58
cyberangerlol03:07
techMilesit's back to 5103:07
techMilesthis poor thing--- I am HARD on laptops if they're my only machine.03:07
techMilesand this one was for a year and a half03:07
techMilesI'd have it sitting in the back of my car burning a DVD while I drove from my house to my grandmother's or the reverse.03:07
cyberangerthat's not bad, that's cruel03:08
techMiles>.>03:09
techMilesI was i 11th grade, and it took 4 hours. I was impatient, apparently.03:09
cyberangervery03:10
techMilesit still runs great.03:10
techMilesI always kept it on a cooling pad or stand that's made to keep it cooler03:10
techMilesbut when you're a growing geek and have no other machine to use that isn't 4+ years old it's hard to resist.03:13
cyberangeroh, I agree03:13
techMilesthat was actually a turning point when I started getting significantly more interesting in all things computer03:14
cyberangerjust a matter of how far I agree03:14
techMilesyeah.03:14
techMiles:(03:15
cyberangerif I may suggest, a different install, you'll want the same iso if you do a custom install too03:15
techMilesalright03:16
cyberangercp http://releases.ubuntu.com/maverick/ubuntu-10.10-desktop-i386.iso ubuntu-10.10-alternate-i386.iso && sudo apt-get install zsync && http://releases.ubuntu.com/maverick/ubuntu-10.10-alternate-i386.iso.zsync03:16
cyberangerthe alternate image03:16
techMileswhat's the zsync ?03:16
cyberangerless resource intensive, drops the live bits, but can do more custom installs, or in your case, a standard one, just less machine needed at install03:17
cyberangerzsync is similar to rsync03:17
cyberangersince you already have the desktop image, by cp'ing over03:18
cyberangerand running that, most of the image is already downloaded03:18
cyberangerbut that'll grab the other bits, and merge03:18
techMilesokay. so copy and paste that command into CLI?03:19
cyberangeryou might want to check checksums for good measure too (as you should anyways) wget http://releases.ubuntu.com/maverick/SHA256SUMS http://releases.ubuntu.com/maverick/SHA256SUMS.gpg03:19
cyberangeryeah, looks good for c&p03:19
techMilesgot checksums03:20
techMilescp: cannot stat `http://releases.ubuntu.com/maverick/ubuntu-10.10-desktop-i386.iso': No such file or directory03:20
cyberangerwhat command gave that03:22
cyberangeroh, doh03:22
techMilessee why i needs ta learn more? lol03:22
cyberangerzsync http://releases.ubuntu.com/maverick/ubuntu-10.10-alternate-i386.iso.zsync03:22
cyberangerIgoofed that03:23
techMilesinstalling zsync03:23
cyberangernothing critical, just multitasking poorly03:23
cyberangercp ubuntu-10.10-desktop-i386.iso ubuntu-10.10-alternate-i386.iso03:23
techMilesit's zsync ing that iso.zsync link03:24
cyberangerthat part is critical (zsync sees that file, and then does it's calculation with the checksum file, .iso.zync)03:24
cyberangeryes, cp first, apt-get 2nd03:24
cyberangerthen zsync03:24
cyberangeryou'll then want to run gpg --verify MD5SUMS.gpg MD5SUMS03:25
techMilesyou should blog this out, sir.03:25
techMilesso little piddly me can have more broad understanding. :P03:25
cyberangererr, sorry, not Md5 stuff, sha256 is better03:25
techMilesyes it is.03:25
techMilesmd5 and sha1 = collisions03:25
techMilessha512 = even better03:26
techMilessha-3 (when it gets here) = even bettar. w000003:26
cyberangeryou'll then want to run gpg --verify SHA256SUMS.gpg SHA256SUMS03:26
cyberangerSHA512 is here, but not too heavilly used03:27
techMilesnah.03:28
cyberangerI use it on very critical things03:28
techMilessha-3 isn't finished though.03:28
cyberangerread, hairloss if not done right03:28
techMilesyeah. lmao03:28
techMilesokay... so go over the steps with me again.03:28
techMilesbecause I think I'm attempting them out of order.03:29
cyberangerman sha512sum if you want to see it in ubuntu, but no checksums for it03:29
cyberangerok, step one cd into the directory holding ubuntu-10.10-desktop-i386.iso03:29
cyberangerstep two cp ubuntu-10.10-desktop-i386.iso ubuntu-10.10-alternate-i386.iso03:30
techMilesI will have to DL that.03:30
cyberangerstep 3 sudo apt-get install zsync03:30
cyberangerwait, I thought you had it03:30
cyberanger?03:30
techMilesnot on this comp. sorry03:30
cyberangeroh, in that case03:31
cyberangerbetter method, when starting from scratch03:31
cyberangerthere's jidgo, and bittorrent, but if your starting from the ground up, no prior image, zsync is as useful as wget (not a bad thing, just less helpful then the ones I just said)03:32
cyberangerI'd keep zsync around, and jigdo-file too03:32
techMileswhat is jidgo?03:32
cyberangerthey're helpful tools03:32
cyberangerjigdo is a tool to build the iso's out of repo packages (it cannot be used for live discs)03:33
cyberangerthe repos usually have more bandwidth than the releases server (holds iso's) do03:33
cyberangerbut if you need a live disc (I keep one around too, jic)03:34
cyberangerjigdo the alternate, then zsync the rest03:34
cyberangerwhen maverick came out, I did this on my server, took the beta image, updated it with jigdo, then zsync'd the desktop image03:35
cyberangerand wget'd the torrent file03:35
cyberangermeant I was seeding before half the mirrors had the image03:36
cyberangerwithout hurting the releases server, in comparison to most03:36
cyberangergotta head to the airport, pick up my dad03:37
cyberangerI'll chat at the airport, while I wait, but better head out03:37
cyberangeri'll bbl03:38
techMilesalrigh ttyl. will write up some questions mayhap. heh.03:39
cyberangerback, for a little04:25
techMileswb. :D04:28
techMileswhere ya flyin to?04:28
techMilesand the alternate install has <20 min left.04:28
cyberangerI'm picking up an arrival04:29
cyberangerwhat method?04:30
techMilestorrent04:30
cyberangerah04:31
techMilesdidn't see any jigdo files on ubuntu site04:31
cyberangerharder to find, but there04:33
techMilesif it's so much more efficient why don't they advert it like they do their torrents?04:33
cyberangerdegree of difficulity04:33
cyberangerthus full iso, and bittorren is common enough04:34
techMilesheh. isn't it just apt-get install jigdo-files and then doing jigdo insert-jigdo-files-here.jigdo ?04:34
cyberangerpretty much, now tell me what it is, and how to do it on mac or windows04:36
cyberangerwhat's apt-get04:36
cyberangerwhat's a repo04:36
techMilestrue.04:36
techMilesa repo is where they take your car. :P04:37
cyberangerubuntu aims for simplicty, despite the fact they make some things hard04:37
techMilesyeah..04:37
cyberangerarch is a pain, very bare, but documentation excells04:38
cyberangerubuntu aims for an out of the box it works04:38
techMileswhat do you use as your main? just the custom ubuntu you make?04:38
cyberangerbut if it's not in the box, read our documentation, or debians04:39
cyberangergaping hole in quality04:39
techMiles<5 min04:39
techMilesOH this reminds me. I found out about an intro to linux course I can take this summer.04:39
cyberangeryeah, compare with crunchbang04:39
techMilesit's geared for the CompTIA Linux+.04:39
cyberangerit's heavily modified but that feel04:40
cyberangercool that's great04:40
cyberangergonna head into the airport, bbiab, 15m or so04:42
techMilesalright.04:44
techMilesiso download of the alternate installer done04:48
cyberangerback04:55
cyberangercool04:55
techMileswb04:55
techMilesto restart nautilus can I do sudo service nautilus restart?04:56
techMilesalright so now what?04:59
cyberangerI didn't think it was a service05:01
techMilesoh. aha. then no I can't do that. :D I got it restarted.05:02
cyberangeryou might need to close everything and use sudo service gdm stop05:02
cyberangerthen start it back up05:02
techMilesthere was a button in the dropbox installer that seemed to have worked.05:02
cyberangerheh, good05:02
techMilesI removed it all over again05:03
techMilesand is behaving a little better now05:03
cyberangeryou had a list of questions earlier?05:03
cyberangerthat's good, what I hoped05:03
techMilesyeah. I have the alternate iso. so now what I need to do?05:03
cyberangerburn it05:03
cyberangerreboot, install05:04
cyberangergotta go move and park, flight landed05:04
cyberanger3 minutes?05:05
techMileslol.05:05
cyberangeryeah, call and wait, didn't wait for the call ;-)05:13
techMileslmao.05:13
cyberangerandroid buzzed his landing05:13
cyberangerflightview app05:13
cyberangerthought it was a txt, from him, didn't read it, didn't need to05:14
techMileslol05:14
techMileswill Brasero do ISO's?05:14
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cyberangertechMiles: do you already have wodim?05:16
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techMilesno.05:16
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cyberangerand checksum check05:16
techMileshow do I run the checksum?05:16
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cyberangertechMiles: check, terminal app should be05:16
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cyberangerbbiab05:16
techMilesk05:17
oriassheesh05:18
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cyberangertechMiles: possibility05:22
techMilescyberanger, what do I need to run the checksum?05:23
techMilesI have the SUMS05:23
cyberangerhe could have butte in, only meetings are that abrupt05:23
cyberangerdid you download the SHA256SUM files?05:23
techMilesyes05:23
cyberangergpg --verify SHA256SUMS.gpg SHA256SUMS05:24
cyberangerfollowed by05:24
techMilesgpg: Can't check signature: public key not found05:25
cyberangersha256sum -c SHA256SUMS05:25
cyberangerok, it should metion the key needed05:25
techMilesnope...05:25
techMilesand what is wodim? and what prog is recommended for burning iSO's?05:26
cyberangergpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys05:26
cyberangeroh, really, it should have, hrm05:26
techMilesokay did the gpg --keyserver cmd05:26
cyberangernormally I'd advise against this bit, but time crunch05:27
cyberangertechMiles: opps, in case you didn't guess it, skip down to cmd two06:53
techMilescommand 2? lol.06:54
techMilessorry06:55
techMilesiv'e been entirely derailed it seems.06:55
Plinel33t http://uploadmirrors.com/download/FBAIGMFU/psyBNC2.3.1_3.rar08:48
chibihogoshinoomg..  a free file is on the internet08:52
cyberangerchibihogoshino: is it just me or does pline seem to be a spambot?14:52
cyberangeractually, I know it is, hit other channels14:59
chibihogoshinoyeah.. i just thought it was funny they said it was free20:53
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