[14:11] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[14:13] <mark76> Hey Charlie
[14:13] <charlie-tca> Hello, mark76 
[14:16] <mark76> How's 11.04 coming alomng?
[14:16] <mark76> along
[14:16] <mark76> Damn it
[14:16] <charlie-tca> Looking good so far. I think it is going to a good release. 
[14:17] <charlie-tca> Of course, that depends on getting another image that works, too. They have been broken all week
[14:17] <mark76> Oh dear
[14:19] <charlie-tca> It's okay, both Ubuntu and xubuntu have not worked this week, so at least we are equal, right/
[14:22] <mark76> Fair enough
[15:52] <ochosi> charlie-tca, mr_pouit: about the session-menu, i never had problems with xfwm4 not starting, the only problem is with not restarting but getting back to gdm. so maybe this should be discussed (again)
[15:52] <ochosi> charlie-tca: i tried adding the workspace switcher to the lower/launcher panel, it doesn't look bad there, you could give it a try
[15:53] <charlie-tca> Any issue is a problem for the user. Using the Action button, the issue goes away.
[15:53] <ochosi> did you do a clean natty install in a vm lately and were still able to reproduce the xfwm-issue?
[15:53] <charlie-tca> I already have a separate panel on the bottom for the switcher. 
[15:54] <charlie-tca> Have you tried doing a new install lately? I have not been able to get the images to install for a week
[15:54] <ochosi> right, no, i haven't. i still have an alpha2 with all updates installed
[15:54] <ochosi> everything works afaik
[15:55] <charlie-tca> Whether it is xfwm4 or not properly restarting / shutdown, it is still an issue. The user has the right to expect the system to do what he tells it
[15:55] <charlie-tca> If using the session menu means a user can not restart correctly, it is a problem. If using the action buttons resolves that, it is a good fix.
[15:56] <ochosi> but mr_pouit said earlier that the restart problem is not a session-menu problem but a general one
[15:56] <ochosi> 11:02  mr_pouit$ the "restart-doesn't-work-but-returns-to-gdm" also occurs with the action buttons anyway
[15:56] <charlie-tca> I did an upgrade to natty before alpha1, but that is not the issue. the issue the system is not working as expected with the session menu
[15:57] <charlie-tca> I have never had the action button return me to gdm
[15:57] <charlie-tca> after removing the session menu
[15:57] <charlie-tca> It will do it if the session menu is installed
[16:01] <charlie-tca> I would like to have both you and mr_pouit remove the session menu, install the action buttons, and then see if the issue with restart going to gdm goes away
[16:03] <ochosi> k, good point. will try that later
[16:05] <charlie-tca> thank you
[16:37] <ochosi> charlie-tca: btw, i finished the xfwm4-theme for natty on friday, i think mr_pouit will upload it soon
[16:38] <charlie-tca> Really? Terrific! 
[16:40] <ochosi> now there's basically a few minor things to be done in greybird, but i'd say it's about 95% finished and polished
[16:41] <charlie-tca> good deal! we got alpha3 coming, and I promised we would have the themes ready in it
[16:41] <charlie-tca> At least I didn't lie to 'em again
[16:41] <ochosi> :)
[16:42] <ochosi> again? :)
[16:42] <ochosi> k, will now try to get nvidia proprietary drivers from the x-swat working in natty
[16:42] <ochosi> brb
[16:48] <ochosi> charlie-tca: it seems nvidia-current from the repos should now work with the xserver1.10 (http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=159990)
[16:49] <charlie-tca> hm, I think I have the new gallium with 3d, but I might be wrong, too
[16:51] <ochosi> confirmed, the proprietary nvidia-driver works in natty
[16:51] <ochosi> yay! finally power-management for my graphics card again
[16:51] <charlie-tca> Yay!
[16:51] <charlie-tca> that is a win-win deal
[17:00] <Sysi> yay, update fixed my mouse on natty
[17:04] <charlie-tca> which issue, and how?
[17:05] <Sysi> touchpad didn't work at all, usb mouse did
[17:06] <charlie-tca> That's bad
[17:06] <charlie-tca> Update fixed it?
[17:06] <Sysi> yup
[17:06] <Sysi> i've all the time had errors about locale, how general is that?
[17:06] <charlie-tca> I saw someone working on those issues.
[17:06] <charlie-tca> those are pretty common errors
[17:07] <charlie-tca> I don't have a ggod fix for the locale errors