[14:11] Good morning [14:13] Hey Charlie [14:13] Hello, mark76 [14:16] How's 11.04 coming alomng? [14:16] along [14:16] Damn it [14:16] Looking good so far. I think it is going to a good release. [14:17] Of course, that depends on getting another image that works, too. They have been broken all week [14:17] Oh dear [14:19] It's okay, both Ubuntu and xubuntu have not worked this week, so at least we are equal, right/ [14:22] Fair enough [15:52] charlie-tca, mr_pouit: about the session-menu, i never had problems with xfwm4 not starting, the only problem is with not restarting but getting back to gdm. so maybe this should be discussed (again) [15:52] charlie-tca: i tried adding the workspace switcher to the lower/launcher panel, it doesn't look bad there, you could give it a try [15:53] Any issue is a problem for the user. Using the Action button, the issue goes away. [15:53] did you do a clean natty install in a vm lately and were still able to reproduce the xfwm-issue? [15:53] I already have a separate panel on the bottom for the switcher. [15:54] Have you tried doing a new install lately? I have not been able to get the images to install for a week [15:54] right, no, i haven't. i still have an alpha2 with all updates installed [15:54] everything works afaik [15:55] Whether it is xfwm4 or not properly restarting / shutdown, it is still an issue. The user has the right to expect the system to do what he tells it [15:55] If using the session menu means a user can not restart correctly, it is a problem. If using the action buttons resolves that, it is a good fix. [15:56] but mr_pouit said earlier that the restart problem is not a session-menu problem but a general one [15:56] 11:02 mr_pouit$ the "restart-doesn't-work-but-returns-to-gdm" also occurs with the action buttons anyway [15:56] I did an upgrade to natty before alpha1, but that is not the issue. the issue the system is not working as expected with the session menu [15:57] I have never had the action button return me to gdm [15:57] after removing the session menu [15:57] It will do it if the session menu is installed [16:01] I would like to have both you and mr_pouit remove the session menu, install the action buttons, and then see if the issue with restart going to gdm goes away [16:03] k, good point. will try that later [16:05] thank you [16:37] charlie-tca: btw, i finished the xfwm4-theme for natty on friday, i think mr_pouit will upload it soon [16:38] Really? Terrific! [16:40] now there's basically a few minor things to be done in greybird, but i'd say it's about 95% finished and polished [16:41] good deal! we got alpha3 coming, and I promised we would have the themes ready in it [16:41] At least I didn't lie to 'em again [16:41] :) [16:42] again? :) [16:42] k, will now try to get nvidia proprietary drivers from the x-swat working in natty [16:42] brb [16:48] charlie-tca: it seems nvidia-current from the repos should now work with the xserver1.10 (http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=159990) [16:49] hm, I think I have the new gallium with 3d, but I might be wrong, too [16:51] confirmed, the proprietary nvidia-driver works in natty [16:51] yay! finally power-management for my graphics card again [16:51] Yay! [16:51] that is a win-win deal [17:00] yay, update fixed my mouse on natty [17:04] which issue, and how? [17:05] touchpad didn't work at all, usb mouse did [17:06] That's bad [17:06] Update fixed it? [17:06] yup [17:06] i've all the time had errors about locale, how general is that? [17:06] I saw someone working on those issues. [17:06] those are pretty common errors [17:07] I don't have a ggod fix for the locale errors