[00:02] <jelmer_> lifeless: sortof
[00:03] <jelmer_> lifeless: ideally there wouldn't be any retrieval of tags beforehand as finding out what tags are present remotely requires a new TCP connection
[00:06] <lifeless> right
[00:06] <lifeless> I mean
[00:06] <lifeless> 'I will want the heads for the tags for this branch'
[00:06] <lifeless> so specifying a double dereference server side
[00:10] <jelmer_> lifeless: I'm not sure I follow - server side in Bazaar you mean?
[00:11] <lifeless> svn.git/hg
[00:21] <jelmer_> I think I understand what you mean, except I don't really see where the double dereference is
[00:22] <jelmer_> either way, I'll have a closer look tomorrow when my head doesn't hurt :)
[00:52] <lifeless> jelmer_: denied
[00:52] <lifeless> (ftpmaster)
[00:56] <jelmer_> whoops
[00:56] <jelmer_> lifeless: thanks
[05:52] <arose> Hi, I was wondering if there is any easy way to create a copy of a pipeline to use with sync-pipeline
[09:51] <jelmer_> moin spiv
[10:58] <bialix> hi
[10:58] <bialix> jelmer: please, don't set qbzr bugs status to Triaged. we're using only Confirmed. thank you
[11:01] <jelmer> bialix: ah, sorry
[11:30] <Manikandan> hi all when i am entering this cmd "bzr branch lp:nova", i got  ssh: connect to host bazaar.launchpad.net port 22: Connection refused
[11:30] <Manikandan> bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist
[11:30] <Manikandan> any one help me
[11:38] <bialix> Manikandan: what
[11:39] <bialix> Manikandan: what's your OS?
[11:40] <Manikandan> debian
[11:42] <bialix> what if you just launch command: ssh bazaar.launchpad.net
[11:43] <Manikandan> ssh: connect to host bazaar.launchpad.net port 22: Connection refused
[11:44] <bialix> that's your ssh client
[11:44] <Manikandan> yes
[11:45] <bialix> try to branch with command: BZR_SSH=paramiko bzr branch lp:nova
[11:45] <Manikandan> wt is paramiko
[11:45] <bialix> python ssh client library, bzr knows how to use it
[11:46] <Manikandan> bzr: ERROR: Unable to connect to SSH host bazaar.launchpad.net; [Errno 111] Connection refused
[11:46] <jelmer> Manikandan: does "sftp bazaar.launchpad.net" work?
[11:46] <bialix> something prevents you to connect to launchpad. maybe some sort of firewall or proxy?
[11:47] <JaredWigmore> hey, is bzr replay documented in more detail somewhere? / what do you do if you get a conflict during the replay command?
[11:48] <bialix> JaredWigmore: only cry
[11:48] <Manikandan> after remopvinf proxy also it show the same error 111
[11:49] <jelmer> JaredWigmore: replay isn't really polished yet, it's intentionally hidden at the moment
[11:49] <jelmer> JaredWigmore: I'd recommend using "bzr merge -c" + "bzr commit" for the moment instead
[11:50] <JaredWigmore> jelmer: thanks
[11:50] <Manikandan> after removing  proxy also it show the same error 111
[11:51] <mgz> jelmer, I'm curious, what was the bzr-git fix for bug 393038?
[11:51] <mgz> did you basically do decode('utf8') somewhere before passing a string to the bzrlib.inventory code?
[11:51] <jelmer> mgz: yes
[11:52] <mgz> okay, so I think the bzrlib side needs to define what sort of strings inventory stores and check they're the right ones.
[11:52] <mgz> even the docstrings in that file use both bytestrings and unicode.
[11:53] <mgz> having some unrelated function blow up later isn't a great way to tell callers they passed the wrong thing.
[11:53] <Manikandan> i have stop the firewall
[11:53] <Manikandan> also
[11:55] <bialix> jelmer>	Manikandan: does "sftp bazaar.launchpad.net" work?
[11:56] <Manikandan> no, it shows
[11:56] <Manikandan> ssh: connect to host bazaar.launchpad.net port 22: Connection refused
[11:56] <Manikandan> Couldn't read packet: Connection reset by peer
[11:56] <bialix> jelmer: ^
[11:56] <Manikandan> wt
[12:00] <Manikandan> when i remove the proxy i got this error : bzr: ERROR: Connection error: while sending POST /bazaar/: [Errno 111] Connection refused
[12:06] <jelmer> Manikandan: for some reason your machine can't make outbound ssh connections to bazaar.launchpad.net, but it seems to happen independent of bzr as well
[12:06] <Manikandan> so , wt can i do
[12:18] <jelmer> Manikandan: you can force the use of http by specifying http://bazaar.launchpad.net/nova (IIRC) or alternatively fix the connection issue on your side
[12:50] <sbs> i
[12:50] <sbs> hi
[12:51] <sbs> I am new to bzr, and have started working on my repo but I have now a message in bzr explorer which I don't understand
[12:51] <sbs> "branch has changes not present in its submit branch
[12:51] <sbs> what would that mean?
[12:59] <jelmer> sbs: that message doesn't make sense to me either
[13:00] <sbs> :(
[13:00] <jelmer> sbs: WHen do you see that message?
[13:00] <sbs> when I look at my repo in bzr explorer
[13:08] <jelmer> maxb: do you have bzr-builddeb commit access?
[13:08] <maxb> I do not
[13:12] <hunger> How long does bzr take to checkout bzr? It downloaded 16MiB in .bzr and now nothing happens. Is that normal?
[13:14] <jelmer> hunger: building the tree after the history has been pulled in should be 5 seconds or so
[13:15] <jelmer> maxb: landed your 4 branches
[13:15] <hunger> Its more like 10min so far... No output apart from some complaining about a missing launchpad id.
[13:18] <hunger> How big is .bzr of bzr? Is my network *SLOW* again?
[13:23] <jelmer> hunger: 53Mb
[13:23] <hunger> jelmer: Thanks. So it does not have all the data yet.
[13:24] <hunger> Hmmm... size is only increasing every minute or so:-( Most likely a network issue then.
[13:31] <maxb> hunger: Worth bearing in mind that the dumb http transport may be less efficient than the smart bzr+ssh transport
[13:32] <hunger> maxb: I am only testing a Qt Creator plugin... Just asked it to clone lp:bzr because that was the first bzr project I thought of. No idea what it is doing.
[13:33] <maxb> A fresh branch of lp:bzr done just now claims to have transferred 117948kB and taken 2m43s
[13:34] <maxb> Which.... is a bit excessive considering it only ended up with a 53M .bzr :-(
[13:34]  * maxb lunches
[13:34] <hunger> maxb: No output from bzr at all (apart from bitching about missing launchpad ID), du -sh bzr says 22M so far.
[13:34] <jelmer> maxb: that's including HTTP overhead, indexes, etc I think
[13:34] <jelmer> hunger: it should show a progress bar if you're running it in a terminal
[13:34] <maxb> That's a lot of overhead
[13:35] <hunger> I am running it in the Qt Creator plugin. No progress bar there.
[15:02] <lool> james_w: SUre
[15:02] <james_w> unfortunately we are short on canonical bzr developers to ping
[15:03] <lool> james_w: is this a new type of failure?
[15:03] <james_w> lool, I suspect it is new with the move to bzr 2.3
[15:03] <james_w> it may be an LP change though
[15:06] <lool> Ok; thanks
[15:06] <lool> james_w: Should I file a bug on this?
[15:06] <lool> It's kind of unfortunate as we've moved the UDD branch for flash-kernel development
[15:07] <lool> +to
[15:09] <lool> https://bugs.launchpad.net/udd/+bug/726584
[17:16] <lamont> bzr unshelve
[17:16] <lamont> Using changes with id "1".
[17:16] <lamont> bzr: ERROR: exceptions.NotImplementedError: <property object at 0x232daa0>
[17:16] <lamont> sigh.  is known issue?
[17:17] <lamont> shelved item was bzr moved between shelve and unshelve
[17:33] <jelmer> lamont: I vaguely recall a bug like that
[17:33] <lamont> that's 2.2.1-0ubuntu1
[17:37] <lamont> cool enough
[18:02] <zyga> hi, is there any documentation for bzr's "change-editor" configuration option
[18:02] <zyga> it apparently can edit shelve'd changes to split a change in two
[23:07] <mtaylor> how do I get a branch to push without stacking?
[23:09] <spiv> mtaylor: I don't think we have an option for that yet, but you could init the remote branch and then 'bzr reconfigure --unstacked' that remote branch, then push.
[23:09] <spiv> There's a bug about adding a --no-stacking option IIRC
[23:11] <spiv> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/391405
[23:16] <mgz> spiv: I need some help with smart server code. if I put some not-complete branches up for review, would that be your preferred way of telling me where I need to be going?
[23:27] <spiv> mgz: yeah, that's probably the best
[23:33] <mtaylor> spiv: thanks
[23:35] <jelmer> moin mgz, spiv, mtaylor