[00:02] <Logan_WP> Oer: I got an error :(
[02:07] <mjw3763> cd
[02:48] <slyrus> I'm seeing bluetooth problems on latest natty. anyone else? it works, but only after a reboot.
[07:39] <aberhow1> anyone have an issue with xubuntu where the network manager is no longer present?
[09:09] <al-maisan> One of my machines seems afflicted with bug #723482; when I try SysRq-i as described in comment #24 I only get to the SysRq HELP string ..
[09:10] <al-maisan> do I need to hold some other key while doing this e.g. ALT or CTRL?
[09:11] <susundberg> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key
[09:11] <susundberg> 'Ctrl'+'Alt'+'SysRq'+key
[09:13] <susundberg> also this seems pretty nice: http://www.slackwiki.org/SysRq
[09:17] <al-maisan> hmm .. the wikipedia article says: "The key combination consists of Alt, SysRq and another key.."
[09:21] <yofel> that's alt+print+<key> for most keyboards, but might be different for some
[09:22] <al-maisan> susundberg and yofel : thanks, that works.
[09:23] <susundberg> Actually, my keyboard has even print 'Sys Rq'!
[09:23] <susundberg> wow
[09:50] <mondi> can anyone help me with browsing my disks
[09:50] <Fjodor> mondi: Btw., though, when responding to a person, it's a good idea to prefix the answer with said user's nickname. xchat and possibly other clients have auto-completion for that ;-)
[09:51] <mondi> Fjodor, i am a bit rusty after not using irc for a while
[09:51] <Fjodor> mondi: But still, I can't help, whereas people in here might be able to tell you if there are known issues with nautilus at the moment ;-)
[09:52] <Fjodor> mondi: And no harm done - it's just more convenient that way ;-)
[09:54] <mondi> looks like this place is dad. i should come when its day time for US i guess
[09:55] <rumpe1> mondi, just ask  a more specific question
[09:56] <mondi> rumpe1, i cant open any disks from places menu, it opens a blank window and tells me its not responding after sometime
[09:57] <rumpe1> mondi, where are the disks? remote? give more infos
[09:58] <mondi> rumpe1, its in my computer.
[09:59] <rumpe1> mondi, does mouting/listing via terminal work?
[09:59] <mondi> rumpe1, its already mounted. i just cant open it. i tried to open an external usb disk too. same problem
[09:59] <mondi> rumpe1, this happened after i installed 2.6.38-5-generic kernel
[10:00] <rumpe1> mondi, does it work with an older kernel?
[10:00] <mondi> rumpe1, it works for a while and then its the same thing again
[10:01] <mondi> rumpe1, the oldest i have is 2.6.38-3
[10:01] <rumpe1> hm...  have you checked smart-status?
[10:01] <mondi> rumpe1, no
[10:01] <mondi> rumpe1, how do i do that
[10:02] <rumpe1> gnome-disk-utility
[10:03] <rumpe1> also check dmesg and syslog logs....
[10:04] <rumpe1> what filesystem(s) btw.?
[10:05] <mondi> let me check
[10:08] <mondi> rumpe1, it says Device is mounted and no online capability in fsck tool for file system
[10:09] <mondi> HPFS/NTFS
[10:11] <rumpe1> maybe the ntfs-partitions weren't shut down in the right way and are locked
[10:11] <rumpe1> you maybe have to use force-option for mounting them
[10:12] <mondi> ic
[10:13] <rumpe1> e.g. mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdaX /media/mountpoint -o force
[10:13] <rumpe1> i personally don't use ntfs... maybe there are some risks involved
[10:14] <rumpe1> i recommend to google "mount unclean ntfs ubuntu" ... or something like that .. for more informations
[10:15] <mondi> thanks
[10:15] <rumpe1> mondi, i am still not sure, if that's the reason for your problems
[10:16] <rumpe1> you shouldn't be able to mount them the usual way if that's the case
[10:16] <rumpe1> hm
[10:31] <proti> morning
[13:50] <hype> hi
[13:52] <hype> i have some questions concerning Natty and gtk3: is it possible to run gtk3 properly on Natty? Will i see 3 choices of sessions: classic, gnome3 and unity?
[14:11] <ChogyDan> hype: I heard gnome3 was delayed   but take that with a grain of salt
[15:10] <Ian_Corne> hmm
[15:11] <Ian_Corne> I dared to reboot :(
[15:11] <Ian_Corne> now only nouveau works
[15:11] <KuKuNut> how can I disable akonadi from starting?  I still have to manually stop it everytime
[15:12] <yofel> KuKuNut: I would believe setting StartServer=false in ~/.config/akonadi/akonadiserverrc will do that
[15:14] <KuKuNut> yofel: thaks. will check it out. btw it's not shown in startup/session in syssettings. :(
[15:14] <KuKuNut> yofel: .config? not .kde?
[15:14] <yofel> I believe it's not an autostart application but it's triggered by the kde startup
[15:15] <yofel> KuKuNut: akonadi isn't part of KDE - thus .config
[15:15] <KuKuNut> yofel: interesting..all the while I thought it was a kde thing..
[15:15] <yofel> well, it is somewhat, but doesn't depend on it
[15:20] <KuKuNut> yofel: noticed phonon is no longer part of the iso. could you enlighten us why so?
[15:21] <yofel> o.O? I didn't notice that
[15:21] <KuKuNut> yofel: well in thge manifest it's not
[15:21] <KuKuNut> *the
[15:22] <yofel> ask in #kubuntu-devel, I don't know much about the iso seeds
[15:24] <kenta> Hi. I'm running 11.04. when running "apt-get update" all the lines has "Ign" prefix. havent gotten a update in days.
[15:25] <yofel> try to switch to another mirror
[15:26] <KuKuNut> yofel: wait .. it looks like phonon is just a meta pkg now. jumped the gun here..but it's now phonon-backend-gstreamer
[15:26] <kenta> good idea, yofel. now i got 172 mb of updates
[15:26] <kenta> thanks
[15:33] <KuKuNut> when will eric5 be in the repo?
[15:35] <yofel> KuKuNut: natty+1 probably
[15:36] <KuKuNut> yofel: is there a ppa?
[15:38] <yofel> haven't looked for one
[15:38] <KuKuNut> google didn't see any.
[15:39] <Pici> Use  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas to search
[15:40] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek starting in #ubuntu-classroom in 20 minutes!
[15:56] <lcb> Hi. how can I add VirtualBox repository for Natty? (trying to registerimage and tells me the version i have -from natty -is outdated)
[15:58] <charlie-tca> virtualbox-ose is up-to-date in natty repositories
[15:58] <lcb> I mean.. is there a repository for natty? (since the only one i get is from maverick)
[15:58] <charlie-tca> won't be one until natty releases
[15:59] <lcb> charlie-tca, so, that means latest registerimage is not recognizing that one as latest...
[15:59] <rumpe1> lcb, in partner-repositories i guess
[15:59] <charlie-tca> I have been using the ose version, and it works
[15:59] <lcb> rumpe1, only for maverick
[16:00] <charlie-tca> Normally, the Virtualbox repository for puel version is not updated until final release.
[16:00] <rumpe1> lcb, ah... ok
[16:00] <lcb> charlie-tca, indeed - virtualbox. did you try to register an image?
[16:00] <charlie-tca> I used it this morning
[16:00] <lcb> charlie-tca, registerimage? :o
[16:01] <charlie-tca> no, I did not regtister an image, I just ran 4 installs in it
[16:01] <lcb> i just gor the jar file and it gives me that warning/error tough
[16:01] <lcb> ok...
[16:03] <lcb> charlie-tca, the ose works fine. only if you want to register and install an image you'll get that. so... wait :)
[16:03] <charlie-tca> okay
[16:33] <smoser> anyone know how i change switch to (or from) compiz in natty ?
[16:33] <smoser> i swear it used to be in system-> preferences -> appearance, but i dont see it there any more.
[16:37] <yofel> smoser: should be possible in classic desktop I think. Unity requires compiz
[16:38] <smoser> i'm in classic desktop.
[16:39] <smoser> i am without compiz right now, can't figure out how to turn it on
[16:40] <coz_> smoser,   try  compiz --replace ccp & disown from terminal
[16:40] <smoser> why disown ? just curious
[16:40] <smoser> (i know what it does)
[16:40] <coz_> smoser,  well you can try it without pushing it into the background
[16:41] <smoser> coz_, so where is the setting that woudl do that ? (it did work, i'm in compiz now). how would i go back though ?
[16:42] <smoser> (and it seems to have fixed the drawing issues that were annoying me.
[16:42] <coz_> smoser,   well when you logged into  classic gnome , did you use the (no effects) option just classic gnome?
[16:42] <coz_> smoser,  it probably should have started with the classic gnome session option
[16:42] <smoser> i think just classic desktop
[16:43] <coz_> smoser,   not sure if anything has changed ,, I have to reinstall natty to find out
[16:43] <smoser> but i do have some prefs stored somewhere which woudl indicate that i dont want compiz
[16:43] <smoser> as i generally dont like it
[16:43] <coz_> smoser,  I am a bit confused,,  you dont want compiz running?
[16:44] <smoser> normally i dont. and it was not running.
[16:44] <coz_> smoser,  if that's the case... log out then log into   classic gnome ( no effects)  session
[16:44] <Fluttershy> how do I make the menu stop auto-hiding?
[16:44] <coz_> smoser,   you can start compiz the same way  even in that session or stop with with metacity --replace
[16:44] <smoser> but in 2d mode, since last upgradae i parts of windows left on the screen when i switch desktops.  i wanted to see if compiz "fixed" that. it did.
[16:45] <smoser> coz_, thanks for the 'metacity --replace' and the help.
[16:45] <coz_> Fluttershy,  open ccsm and the unity compiz plugin and disable autohide.. *i belive it is still in there
[16:45] <Amaranth> smoser: The prefs from 10.10 to control that are gone afaik so you may be getting compiz if you didn't choose the no effects version
[16:45] <coz_> smoser,  no problem
[16:45] <Amaranth> Oh, you've solved it already :)
[16:46] <smoser> well, s/solved/worked-around/
[16:46] <smoser> thanks all.
[16:48] <Fluttershy> coz_: do I need to add the repo?
[16:49] <coz_> Fluttershy,  for ccsm?   I dont believe so   just sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[16:49] <Fluttershy> coz_: already tried
[16:49] <Fluttershy> says it can't find the package
[16:49] <coz_> o0
[16:49] <coz_> mmm
[16:49] <coz_> Fluttershy,  open synaptic packages manager   hit  Settings/repositories
[16:50] <coz_> Fluttershy, see if any are disabled in the first and second tabs
[16:50] <Fluttershy> Fluttershy: Canonical Partners is unchecked, as are Unsupported Updates and the Maverick CD
[16:51] <coz_> Fluttershy,  this was an upgrade from maverick?
[16:51] <Fluttershy> yeah
[16:51] <coz_> Fluttershy,  well the maverick stuff is useless so dont tick that
[16:51] <Fluttershy> couldn't manage to get a clean install to go through
[16:51] <coz_> Fluttershy, ah I see
[16:51] <Fluttershy> so did a clean Maverick install and upgraded instead
[16:52] <coz_> Fluttershy,  well if you cant find it in the repositories  try here   http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/compizconfig-settings-manager
[16:52] <Fluttershy> there, installing
[16:52] <coz_> ah ok
[17:02] <Fluttershy> coz_: got it, thanks
[17:02] <coz_> Fluttershy,  cool
[17:20] <nekto0n> hi there! is ubuntu natty completely broken? after logging in unity evn I can see only wallpaper
[17:24] <coz_> nekohayo,  that has happened to me several times... right click desktop create a launcher for the terminal
[17:24] <coz_> nekohayo,   then in the terminal    gnome-panel & disown
[17:24] <nekohayo> nekto0n you mean
[17:25] <coz_> sorry
[17:25] <nekohayo> :)
[17:25] <coz_> nekto0n,  that has happened to me several times... right click desktop create a launcher for the terminal
 nekohayo,   then in the terminal    gnome-panel & disown
[17:26] <coz_> nekto0n,  that is for classic gnome.. it may work in unity not sure ,, I havent tried it
[17:26] <coz_> nekto0n,  which video card do you have ... nvidia?
[17:27] <nekto0n> coz_, intel i965
[17:27] <coz_> ah ok
[17:30] <nekto0n> coz_, i'll reboot and give it another try
[17:30] <coz_> ok
[17:52] <soreau> I am trying to install natty from a live session but the installer just sits there with busy cursor after pressing forward
[17:52] <nekto0n> can connman applet connect to hidden AP? seems to have been broken
[17:55] <e01> soreau, how long?
[17:55] <soreau> e01: forever
[17:55] <charlie-tca> soreau: images are broken still
[17:55] <charlie-tca> they should be working tomorrow
[17:55] <soreau> yes I'm looking for the fix
[17:56] <soreau> I patched in this http://paste.ubuntu.com/572185/ but it's still doing the same thing
[17:59] <vivid> soreau, the mini net installer is working
[17:59] <soreau> vivid: How do you use that?
[17:59] <vivid> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[17:59] <vivid> burn it and put it in the cd drive
[18:00] <soreau> vivid: Will it be a full blown install after updates?
[18:00] <vivid> yes, it simply installs from the network instead of a cd live session
[18:00] <vivid> if you have a fast connection.....it will be faster than downloading the cd installer and then upgrading
[18:01] <vivid> substitue installer-i386 for installer-amd64 in the link if you want a 64bit system
[18:46] <MK`> Is this the unstable channel?
[18:53] <Daekdroom> Is it only here or did X.org break in the last update?
[18:57] <yofel> MK`: this is the channel for the development release
[18:58] <MK`> Ok. I was wondering how well GNOME Shell/Nautilus works in 11.04
[18:58] <yofel> natty won't have gnome3
[19:03] <vivid> unity sure looks like it borrowed some of the ideas :p
[19:10] <MK`> Ah; I use 10.10 now, if I upgrade when time comes will it cease working?
[19:11] <yofel> as I don't use it I can't give an answer to that, but there's a PPA from the gnom3-team with packages for gnome3
[19:11] <noob> will the legacy panel system be avail in natty ?? by default ? and is unity a good replacement till now or it needs more work in natty+1
[19:12] <yofel> noob: gnome 2.32 will be availble as classic gnome by default
[19:12] <MK`> I just switched to Ubuntu last week after over a decade of Windows so I am not too attached to any GUI yet, I was just curious
[19:13] <yofel> ah, I can't really give you any pointers there as I myself use KDE, not gnome
[19:13] <noob> yofel, but gnome 2.32 is shipped in maverick .. i talk about natty
[19:13] <MK`> Alright
[19:13] <yofel> noob: natty ships gnome 2.32 too
[19:13] <MK`> I used KDE once in Mandrake Linux a few years ago
[19:13] <noob> why not gnome 3.0
[19:13] <yofel> noob: no idea, the developers decided not ot
[19:13] <yofel> *not to
[19:13] <MK`> but I couldn't get Linux to recognize my modem so I switched back to windows
[19:14] <yofel> MK`: true, old 56k modems rarely have linux drivers, and the kernel developers don't really care about those
[19:14] <MK`> yeah
[19:14] <noob> so natty will be shipped with gnome 2.32 and unity ? am i right
[19:14] <yofel> mine here doesn't work either, thankfully I don't need it
[19:14] <yofel> noob: yes
[19:19] <ior3k> anyone here using emacs and anything.el? Since I installed anything.el, emacs is segfaulting left and right for me
[19:23] <psusi> yofel: afaik, only the crappy "winmodems" had problems with drivers, and I think even those were sorted eventually.  A real modem doesn't need a driver beyond the standard serial port driver
[19:23] <yofel> no idea, I'm talking about the integrated one in my thinkpad
[19:24] <psusi> I have no idea either, I stopped caring about modems around 1999 ;)
[19:24] <yofel> I only have a use for it when I'm in another country, but then I just use windows
[19:25] <psusi> but iirc, vendors started to get cheap and stopped supplying real modems and just used what amounted to a sound card with a phone jack attached and supplied software to implement a virtual modem
[19:27] <yofel> which is the case for mine I think
[20:23] <Ian_Corne> anyone tried nvidia with the new xupdates ?
[20:24] <yofel> I didn't see any X updates today
[20:25] <Ian_Corne> well
[20:25] <Ian_Corne> the updates of a while ago
[20:26] <yofel> nvidia 270.29 works with x-server 1.10rc2
[20:27] <Fluttershy> hmm
[20:27] <Fluttershy> any idea why I'm only getting File (with just Close) for all programs in the menu?
[21:16] <BUGabundo> evening
[21:17] <guntbert> hi BUGabundo
[21:18] <cg2916> i need help with a booting error
[21:19] <charlie-tca> Hello, BUGabundo
[21:19] <BUGabundo> hey guys
[21:19] <guntbert> cg2916: shall we guess or will you tell us some details?
[21:19] <cg2916> details
[21:19] <charlie-tca> I think guessing is more fun
[21:19] <cg2916> i burned natty alpha 2 to a live cd
[21:20] <cg2916> i see the purple screen with the two icons, i hit enter, then i hit enter on Try Without Making CHanges
[21:20] <cg2916> it freezes
[21:20]  * charlie-tca is braindead after this weekend. Can't get nothing to work again
[21:20] <charlie-tca> cg2916: what video card do you have?
[21:21] <cg2916> hang on
[21:23] <cg2916> charlie-tca: it appears as Mobile Intel 4 Series Express Chopset Family under display adapters
[21:23] <cg2916> chipset*
[21:23] <charlie-tca> I thought intel worked now
[21:23] <cg2916> guess not
[21:24] <cg2916> does the video card matter THAT much?
[21:25] <charlie-tca> When you start the cd, hit a key to bring up the menu, select the language, then hit F6, highlight nomodeset, and hit enter twice. See if that helps
[21:25] <charlie-tca> yes, it matters that much
[21:26] <charlie-tca> You should see two symbols at the bottom of the purple screen, hit a key then
[21:26] <cg2916> ok
[21:26] <cg2916> let me restart
[21:27] <charlie-tca> Of course, there is always the wait few days things, too, since alpha3 will be coming out this week
[21:34] <cg2916> i didn
[21:34] <cg2916> it didn't work
[21:35] <cg2916> charlire-tca; didn't work
[21:35] <cg2916> charlie-tca: didn't work
[21:37] <cg2916> anybody here
[21:37] <charlie-tca> I don't know then, except to try tomorrows natty image.
[21:37] <cg2916> ok
[21:38] <cg2916> i'll re-burn the disk
[21:38] <charlie-tca> It has more stuff that works
[21:38] <cg2916> will today's work?
[21:38] <charlie-tca> Just don't burn the image from today
[21:38] <cg2916> is it broken?
[21:38] <charlie-tca> no, todays image is broken
[21:38] <cg2916> ok
[21:38] <cg2916> yesterday's? i'm really eager
[21:39] <charlie-tca> nope, broken all week
[21:39] <cg2916> wow, what's wrong?
[21:41] <cg2916> do the daily images really provide anything new?
[21:45] <charlie-tca> It is a development version, so, yes, many things change constantly
[21:45] <charlie-tca> from alpha2 to alpha3, things are actually working
[21:45] <cg2916> ok. i was wondering if i should zsync with the risk of possible lockout
[21:45] <charlie-tca> the dock has launchers in it, the menu might be working, etc
[21:45] <charlie-tca> yup, zsync works well.
[21:45] <charlie-tca> I use it everyday
[21:46] <cg2916> but, if i zsync the daily image, won't i get problems?
[21:46] <charlie-tca> nope
[21:46] <cg2916> well, for this week?
[21:46] <charlie-tca> It just won't install today
[21:46] <cg2916> oh, ok
[21:46] <cg2916> well, thanks
[21:46] <cg2916> btw, how to you like ubuntu
[21:46] <charlie-tca> it will still sync, zsync doesn't care if it installs or not
[21:46] <charlie-tca> heh, I don't
[21:47] <charlie-tca> I use Xubuntu, but I test both Ubuntu and Xubuntu images
[21:47] <cg2916> ok
[21:47] <charlie-tca> :-)
[21:47] <cg2916> i'd prefer GNOME
[21:48] <charlie-tca> Then you can use the "classic desktop" session when you login
[21:49] <cg2916> ok
[21:49] <cg2916> now, how will i know if the daily image works tomorrow
[21:53] <cg2916> charlie-tca: hello?
[21:55] <cg2916> hey, jeiworth
[21:56] <jeiworth> h
[21:56] <jeiworth> hi
[21:56] <cg2916> have you tried the alpha 2 yet?
[21:57] <jeiworth> no, actually i am lagging behind in the 11.04, haven't tried anything yet *fg*
[21:58] <cg2916> ok, so 10.10
[22:00] <charlie-tca> cg2916: won't know without trying it, unless you ask me
[22:00] <cg2916> ok
[22:00] <cg2916> i'll come here
[22:00] <charlie-tca> The other workaround is to install 10.10, which works, then upgrade it to natty
[22:07] <cg2916> ok
[22:24] <kim0> hey folks, sun-java is stuck at update 22, there's a lot of fixes in 24, is that gonna be pushed soon
[22:25] <Fluttershy> is there a way to change the clock to 24h? I can't find an option in dconf-editor
[22:26] <Fluttershy> er, never mind, found it
[22:27] <yofel> kim0: maverick/partner shows 6.24 here
[22:28] <kim0> yofel: I'm on natty
[22:28] <kim0> um, how do I enabled that
[22:29] <yofel> kim0: add maverick partner in software properties, natty/partner is empty until release
[22:29] <yofel> if you need the deb line:
[22:29] <yofel> deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu maverick partner
[22:30] <kim0> yofel: thanks :)
[22:31] <kim0> wonder if that's a wise decision
[22:31] <kim0> I'm left with security holes, and now I wonder if I'll remember reverting back to natty
[22:32] <coz_> kim0,  well you should easily remember that since you are putting that repo in manually... yes?
[22:32] <yofel> kim0: you don't need to change it, just add both - the natty version will be greater than the maverick version
[22:32] <kim0> yofel: good idea ;)