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Logan_WPOer: I got an error :(00:02
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mjw3763cd02:07
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slyrusI'm seeing bluetooth problems on latest natty. anyone else? it works, but only after a reboot.02:48
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aberhow1anyone have an issue with xubuntu where the network manager is no longer present?07:39
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al-maisanOne of my machines seems afflicted with bug #723482; when I try SysRq-i as described in comment #24 I only get to the SysRq HELP string ..09:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 723482 in mountall (Ubuntu) "system hangs on boot after updates from 2011-02-22" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72348209:09
al-maisando I need to hold some other key while doing this e.g. ALT or CTRL?09:10
susundberghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key09:11
susundberg'Ctrl'+'Alt'+'SysRq'+key09:11
susundbergalso this seems pretty nice: http://www.slackwiki.org/SysRq09:13
al-maisanhmm .. the wikipedia article says: "The key combination consists of Alt, SysRq and another key.."09:17
yofelthat's alt+print+<key> for most keyboards, but might be different for some09:21
al-maisansusundberg and yofel : thanks, that works.09:22
susundbergActually, my keyboard has even print 'Sys Rq'!09:23
susundbergwow09:23
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mondican anyone help me with browsing my disks09:50
Fjodormondi: Btw., though, when responding to a person, it's a good idea to prefix the answer with said user's nickname. xchat and possibly other clients have auto-completion for that ;-)09:50
mondiFjodor, i am a bit rusty after not using irc for a while09:51
Fjodormondi: But still, I can't help, whereas people in here might be able to tell you if there are known issues with nautilus at the moment ;-)09:51
Fjodormondi: And no harm done - it's just more convenient that way ;-)09:52
mondilooks like this place is dad. i should come when its day time for US i guess09:54
rumpe1mondi, just ask  a more specific question09:55
mondirumpe1, i cant open any disks from places menu, it opens a blank window and tells me its not responding after sometime09:56
rumpe1mondi, where are the disks? remote? give more infos09:57
mondirumpe1, its in my computer.09:58
rumpe1mondi, does mouting/listing via terminal work?09:59
mondirumpe1, its already mounted. i just cant open it. i tried to open an external usb disk too. same problem09:59
mondirumpe1, this happened after i installed 2.6.38-5-generic kernel09:59
rumpe1mondi, does it work with an older kernel?10:00
mondirumpe1, it works for a while and then its the same thing again10:00
mondirumpe1, the oldest i have is 2.6.38-310:01
rumpe1hm...  have you checked smart-status?10:01
mondirumpe1, no10:01
mondirumpe1, how do i do that10:01
rumpe1gnome-disk-utility10:02
rumpe1also check dmesg and syslog logs....10:03
rumpe1what filesystem(s) btw.?10:04
mondilet me check10:05
mondirumpe1, it says Device is mounted and no online capability in fsck tool for file system10:08
mondiHPFS/NTFS10:09
rumpe1maybe the ntfs-partitions weren't shut down in the right way and are locked10:11
rumpe1you maybe have to use force-option for mounting them10:11
mondiic10:12
rumpe1e.g. mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdaX /media/mountpoint -o force10:13
rumpe1i personally don't use ntfs... maybe there are some risks involved10:13
rumpe1i recommend to google "mount unclean ntfs ubuntu" ... or something like that .. for more informations10:14
mondithanks10:15
rumpe1mondi, i am still not sure, if that's the reason for your problems10:15
rumpe1you shouldn't be able to mount them the usual way if that's the case10:16
rumpe1hm10:16
protimorning10:31
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hypehi13:50
hypei have some questions concerning Natty and gtk3: is it possible to run gtk3 properly on Natty? Will i see 3 choices of sessions: classic, gnome3 and unity?13:52
ChogyDanhype: I heard gnome3 was delayed   but take that with a grain of salt14:11
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Ian_Cornehmm15:10
Ian_CorneI dared to reboot :(15:11
Ian_Cornenow only nouveau works15:11
KuKuNuthow can I disable akonadi from starting?  I still have to manually stop it everytime15:11
yofelKuKuNut: I would believe setting StartServer=false in ~/.config/akonadi/akonadiserverrc will do that15:12
KuKuNutyofel: thaks. will check it out. btw it's not shown in startup/session in syssettings. :(15:14
KuKuNutyofel: .config? not .kde?15:14
yofelI believe it's not an autostart application but it's triggered by the kde startup15:14
yofelKuKuNut: akonadi isn't part of KDE - thus .config15:15
KuKuNutyofel: interesting..all the while I thought it was a kde thing..15:15
yofelwell, it is somewhat, but doesn't depend on it15:15
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KuKuNutyofel: noticed phonon is no longer part of the iso. could you enlighten us why so?15:20
yofelo.O? I didn't notice that15:21
KuKuNutyofel: well in thge manifest it's not15:21
KuKuNut*the15:21
yofelask in #kubuntu-devel, I don't know much about the iso seeds15:22
kentaHi. I'm running 11.04. when running "apt-get update" all the lines has "Ign" prefix. havent gotten a update in days.15:24
yofeltry to switch to another mirror15:25
KuKuNutyofel: wait .. it looks like phonon is just a meta pkg now. jumped the gun here..but it's now phonon-backend-gstreamer15:26
kentagood idea, yofel. now i got 172 mb of updates15:26
kentathanks15:26
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KuKuNutwhen will eric5 be in the repo?15:33
yofelKuKuNut: natty+1 probably15:35
KuKuNutyofel: is there a ppa?15:36
yofelhaven't looked for one15:38
KuKuNutgoogle didn't see any.15:38
PiciUse  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas to search15:39
dholbachhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek starting in #ubuntu-classroom in 20 minutes!15:40
lcbHi. how can I add VirtualBox repository for Natty? (trying to registerimage and tells me the version i have -from natty -is outdated)15:56
charlie-tcavirtualbox-ose is up-to-date in natty repositories15:58
lcbI mean.. is there a repository for natty? (since the only one i get is from maverick)15:58
charlie-tcawon't be one until natty releases15:58
lcbcharlie-tca, so, that means latest registerimage is not recognizing that one as latest...15:59
rumpe1lcb, in partner-repositories i guess15:59
charlie-tcaI have been using the ose version, and it works15:59
lcbrumpe1, only for maverick15:59
charlie-tcaNormally, the Virtualbox repository for puel version is not updated until final release.16:00
rumpe1lcb, ah... ok16:00
lcbcharlie-tca, indeed - virtualbox. did you try to register an image?16:00
charlie-tcaI used it this morning16:00
lcbcharlie-tca, registerimage? :o16:00
charlie-tcano, I did not regtister an image, I just ran 4 installs in it16:01
lcbi just gor the jar file and it gives me that warning/error tough16:01
lcbok...16:01
lcbcharlie-tca, the ose works fine. only if you want to register and install an image you'll get that. so... wait :)16:03
charlie-tcaokay16:03
smoseranyone know how i change switch to (or from) compiz in natty ?16:33
smoseri swear it used to be in system-> preferences -> appearance, but i dont see it there any more.16:33
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yofelsmoser: should be possible in classic desktop I think. Unity requires compiz16:37
smoseri'm in classic desktop.16:38
smoseri am without compiz right now, can't figure out how to turn it on16:39
coz_smoser,   try  compiz --replace ccp & disown from terminal16:40
smoserwhy disown ? just curious16:40
smoser(i know what it does)16:40
coz_smoser,  well you can try it without pushing it into the background16:40
smosercoz_, so where is the setting that woudl do that ? (it did work, i'm in compiz now). how would i go back though ?16:41
smoser(and it seems to have fixed the drawing issues that were annoying me.16:42
coz_smoser,   well when you logged into  classic gnome , did you use the (no effects) option just classic gnome?16:42
coz_smoser,  it probably should have started with the classic gnome session option16:42
smoseri think just classic desktop16:42
coz_smoser,   not sure if anything has changed ,, I have to reinstall natty to find out16:43
smoserbut i do have some prefs stored somewhere which woudl indicate that i dont want compiz16:43
smoseras i generally dont like it16:43
coz_smoser,  I am a bit confused,,  you dont want compiz running?16:43
smosernormally i dont. and it was not running.16:44
coz_smoser,  if that's the case... log out then log into   classic gnome ( no effects)  session16:44
Fluttershyhow do I make the menu stop auto-hiding?16:44
coz_smoser,   you can start compiz the same way  even in that session or stop with with metacity --replace16:44
smoserbut in 2d mode, since last upgradae i parts of windows left on the screen when i switch desktops.  i wanted to see if compiz "fixed" that. it did.16:44
smosercoz_, thanks for the 'metacity --replace' and the help.16:45
coz_Fluttershy,  open ccsm and the unity compiz plugin and disable autohide.. *i belive it is still in there16:45
Amaranthsmoser: The prefs from 10.10 to control that are gone afaik so you may be getting compiz if you didn't choose the no effects version16:45
coz_smoser,  no problem16:45
AmaranthOh, you've solved it already :)16:45
smoserwell, s/solved/worked-around/16:46
smoserthanks all.16:46
Fluttershycoz_: do I need to add the repo?16:48
coz_Fluttershy,  for ccsm?   I dont believe so   just sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager16:49
Fluttershycoz_: already tried16:49
Fluttershysays it can't find the package16:49
coz_o016:49
coz_mmm16:49
coz_Fluttershy,  open synaptic packages manager   hit  Settings/repositories16:49
coz_Fluttershy, see if any are disabled in the first and second tabs16:50
FluttershyFluttershy: Canonical Partners is unchecked, as are Unsupported Updates and the Maverick CD16:50
coz_Fluttershy,  this was an upgrade from maverick?16:51
Fluttershyyeah16:51
coz_Fluttershy,  well the maverick stuff is useless so dont tick that16:51
Fluttershycouldn't manage to get a clean install to go through16:51
coz_Fluttershy, ah I see16:51
Fluttershyso did a clean Maverick install and upgraded instead16:51
coz_Fluttershy,  well if you cant find it in the repositories  try here   http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/compizconfig-settings-manager16:52
Fluttershythere, installing16:52
coz_ah ok16:52
Fluttershycoz_: got it, thanks17:02
coz_Fluttershy,  cool17:02
nekto0nhi there! is ubuntu natty completely broken? after logging in unity evn I can see only wallpaper17:20
coz_nekohayo,  that has happened to me several times... right click desktop create a launcher for the terminal17:24
coz_nekohayo,   then in the terminal    gnome-panel & disown17:24
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nekohayonekto0n you mean17:24
coz_sorry17:25
nekohayo:)17:25
coz_nekto0n,  that has happened to me several times... right click desktop create a launcher for the terminal17:25
coz_<coz_> nekohayo,   then in the terminal    gnome-panel & disown17:25
coz_nekto0n,  that is for classic gnome.. it may work in unity not sure ,, I havent tried it17:26
coz_nekto0n,  which video card do you have ... nvidia?17:26
nekto0ncoz_, intel i96517:27
coz_ah ok17:27
nekto0ncoz_, i'll reboot and give it another try17:30
coz_ok17:30
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soreauI am trying to install natty from a live session but the installer just sits there with busy cursor after pressing forward17:52
nekto0ncan connman applet connect to hidden AP? seems to have been broken17:52
e01soreau, how long?17:55
soreaue01: forever17:55
charlie-tcasoreau: images are broken still17:55
charlie-tcathey should be working tomorrow17:55
soreauyes I'm looking for the fix17:55
soreauI patched in this http://paste.ubuntu.com/572185/ but it's still doing the same thing17:56
vividsoreau, the mini net installer is working17:59
soreauvivid: How do you use that?17:59
vividhttp://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso17:59
vividburn it and put it in the cd drive17:59
soreauvivid: Will it be a full blown install after updates?18:00
vividyes, it simply installs from the network instead of a cd live session18:00
vividif you have a fast connection.....it will be faster than downloading the cd installer and then upgrading18:00
vividsubstitue installer-i386 for installer-amd64 in the link if you want a 64bit system18:01
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MK`Is this the unstable channel?18:46
DaekdroomIs it only here or did X.org break in the last update?18:53
yofelMK`: this is the channel for the development release18:57
MK`Ok. I was wondering how well GNOME Shell/Nautilus works in 11.0418:58
yofelnatty won't have gnome318:58
vividunity sure looks like it borrowed some of the ideas :p19:03
MK`Ah; I use 10.10 now, if I upgrade when time comes will it cease working?19:10
yofelas I don't use it I can't give an answer to that, but there's a PPA from the gnom3-team with packages for gnome319:11
noobwill the legacy panel system be avail in natty ?? by default ? and is unity a good replacement till now or it needs more work in natty+119:11
yofelnoob: gnome 2.32 will be availble as classic gnome by default19:12
MK`I just switched to Ubuntu last week after over a decade of Windows so I am not too attached to any GUI yet, I was just curious19:12
yofelah, I can't really give you any pointers there as I myself use KDE, not gnome19:13
noobyofel, but gnome 2.32 is shipped in maverick .. i talk about natty19:13
MK`Alright19:13
yofelnoob: natty ships gnome 2.32 too19:13
MK`I used KDE once in Mandrake Linux a few years ago19:13
noobwhy not gnome 3.019:13
yofelnoob: no idea, the developers decided not ot19:13
yofel*not to19:13
MK`but I couldn't get Linux to recognize my modem so I switched back to windows19:13
yofelMK`: true, old 56k modems rarely have linux drivers, and the kernel developers don't really care about those19:14
MK`yeah19:14
noobso natty will be shipped with gnome 2.32 and unity ? am i right19:14
yofelmine here doesn't work either, thankfully I don't need it19:14
yofelnoob: yes19:14
ior3kanyone here using emacs and anything.el? Since I installed anything.el, emacs is segfaulting left and right for me19:19
psusiyofel: afaik, only the crappy "winmodems" had problems with drivers, and I think even those were sorted eventually.  A real modem doesn't need a driver beyond the standard serial port driver19:23
yofelno idea, I'm talking about the integrated one in my thinkpad19:23
psusiI have no idea either, I stopped caring about modems around 1999 ;)19:24
yofelI only have a use for it when I'm in another country, but then I just use windows19:24
psusibut iirc, vendors started to get cheap and stopped supplying real modems and just used what amounted to a sound card with a phone jack attached and supplied software to implement a virtual modem19:25
yofelwhich is the case for mine I think19:27
Ian_Corneanyone tried nvidia with the new xupdates ?20:23
yofelI didn't see any X updates today20:24
Ian_Cornewell20:25
Ian_Cornethe updates of a while ago20:25
yofelnvidia 270.29 works with x-server 1.10rc220:26
Fluttershyhmm20:27
Fluttershyany idea why I'm only getting File (with just Close) for all programs in the menu?20:27
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BUGabundoevening21:16
guntberthi BUGabundo21:17
cg2916i need help with a booting error21:18
charlie-tcaHello, BUGabundo21:19
BUGabundohey guys21:19
guntbertcg2916: shall we guess or will you tell us some details?21:19
cg2916details21:19
charlie-tcaI think guessing is more fun21:19
cg2916i burned natty alpha 2 to a live cd21:19
cg2916i see the purple screen with the two icons, i hit enter, then i hit enter on Try Without Making CHanges21:20
cg2916it freezes21:20
* charlie-tca is braindead after this weekend. Can't get nothing to work again21:20
charlie-tcacg2916: what video card do you have?21:20
cg2916hang on21:21
cg2916charlie-tca: it appears as Mobile Intel 4 Series Express Chopset Family under display adapters21:23
cg2916chipset*21:23
charlie-tcaI thought intel worked now21:23
cg2916guess not21:23
cg2916does the video card matter THAT much?21:24
charlie-tcaWhen you start the cd, hit a key to bring up the menu, select the language, then hit F6, highlight nomodeset, and hit enter twice. See if that helps21:25
charlie-tcayes, it matters that much21:25
charlie-tcaYou should see two symbols at the bottom of the purple screen, hit a key then21:26
cg2916ok21:26
cg2916let me restart21:26
charlie-tcaOf course, there is always the wait few days things, too, since alpha3 will be coming out this week21:27
cg2916i didn21:34
cg2916it didn't work21:34
cg2916charlire-tca; didn't work21:35
cg2916charlie-tca: didn't work21:35
cg2916anybody here21:37
charlie-tcaI don't know then, except to try tomorrows natty image.21:37
cg2916ok21:37
cg2916i'll re-burn the disk21:38
charlie-tcaIt has more stuff that works21:38
cg2916will today's work?21:38
charlie-tcaJust don't burn the image from today21:38
cg2916is it broken?21:38
charlie-tcano, todays image is broken21:38
cg2916ok21:38
cg2916yesterday's? i'm really eager21:38
charlie-tcanope, broken all week21:39
cg2916wow, what's wrong?21:39
cg2916do the daily images really provide anything new?21:41
charlie-tcaIt is a development version, so, yes, many things change constantly21:45
charlie-tcafrom alpha2 to alpha3, things are actually working21:45
cg2916ok. i was wondering if i should zsync with the risk of possible lockout21:45
charlie-tcathe dock has launchers in it, the menu might be working, etc21:45
charlie-tcayup, zsync works well.21:45
charlie-tcaI use it everyday21:45
cg2916but, if i zsync the daily image, won't i get problems?21:46
charlie-tcanope21:46
cg2916well, for this week?21:46
charlie-tcaIt just won't install today21:46
cg2916oh, ok21:46
cg2916well, thanks21:46
cg2916btw, how to you like ubuntu21:46
charlie-tcait will still sync, zsync doesn't care if it installs or not21:46
charlie-tcaheh, I don't21:46
charlie-tcaI use Xubuntu, but I test both Ubuntu and Xubuntu images21:47
cg2916ok21:47
charlie-tca:-)21:47
cg2916i'd prefer GNOME21:47
charlie-tcaThen you can use the "classic desktop" session when you login21:48
cg2916ok21:49
cg2916now, how will i know if the daily image works tomorrow21:49
cg2916charlie-tca: hello?21:53
cg2916hey, jeiworth21:55
jeiworthh21:56
jeiworthhi21:56
cg2916have you tried the alpha 2 yet?21:56
jeiworthno, actually i am lagging behind in the 11.04, haven't tried anything yet *fg*21:57
cg2916ok, so 10.1021:58
charlie-tcacg2916: won't know without trying it, unless you ask me22:00
cg2916ok22:00
cg2916i'll come here22:00
charlie-tcaThe other workaround is to install 10.10, which works, then upgrade it to natty22:00
cg2916ok22:07
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kim0hey folks, sun-java is stuck at update 22, there's a lot of fixes in 24, is that gonna be pushed soon22:24
Fluttershyis there a way to change the clock to 24h? I can't find an option in dconf-editor22:25
Fluttershyer, never mind, found it22:26
yofelkim0: maverick/partner shows 6.24 here22:27
kim0yofel: I'm on natty22:28
kim0um, how do I enabled that22:28
yofelkim0: add maverick partner in software properties, natty/partner is empty until release22:29
yofelif you need the deb line:22:29
yofeldeb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu maverick partner22:29
kim0yofel: thanks :)22:30
kim0wonder if that's a wise decision22:31
kim0I'm left with security holes, and now I wonder if I'll remember reverting back to natty22:31
coz_kim0,  well you should easily remember that since you are putting that repo in manually... yes?22:32
yofelkim0: you don't need to change it, just add both - the natty version will be greater than the maverick version22:32
kim0yofel: good idea ;)22:32
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