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| lurking2day | Anybody home? | 14:06 |
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| AlanBell | lurking2day: hi | 14:10 |
| lurking2day | Just a moment, please | 14:12 |
| lurking2day | You created Faisal? | 14:12 |
| AlanBell | yes | 14:14 |
| lurking2day | I was a staff sw engineer who became Faisal (motor skills/dexterity). I should be able to help. | 14:16 |
| AlanBell | we are working on a series of persona documents | 14:17 |
| lurking2day | and... ? | 14:21 |
| lurking2day | Do you need a Faisal at the moment? | 14:23 |
| lurking2day | Alan: (Or anyone else): If this is a bad time, I can come back. | 14:34 |
| lurking2day | If you're looking for a top notch 'Faisal' wrt motor skills, I'm offering to help. | 14:36 |
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| AlanBell | sorry, in the middle of something else at the moment | 15:02 |
| charlie-tca | images are all broken at the present time, installations fail | 15:07 |
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| charlie-tca | We will be testing the screen-reader installation for natty alpha3 this week | 20:15 |
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| erkan^ | hajour, do you use "Maginifiy"? | 21:22 |
| hajour | hai erkan^ :0 | 21:23 |
| erkan^ | hi hajour | 21:23 |
| hajour | :) | 21:23 |
| Pendulum | hi hajour, erkan^ :) | 21:23 |
| Pendulum | (i'm only somewhat here, but I made it to my hotel at least!) | 21:23 |
| hajour | hai Pendulum :) | 21:23 |
| erkan^ | and hi Pendulum (-: | 21:23 |
| erkan^ | do you understand about my question, hajour ? | 21:23 |
| erkan^ | AlanBell: You would have to be able to get compiz the x,y coords of the cursor. You could do this possibly using dbus or a custom lib but it would require some programming | 21:24 |
| erkan^ | about EZOOM | 21:24 |
| hajour | Maginifiy = vergrootglas? | 21:24 |
| hajour | you are on a congress or something Pendulum ? | 21:25 |
| maco | hajour: she's traveling to visit a special doctor | 21:26 |
| erkan^ | that is right, hajour | 21:26 |
| hajour | a ok maco | 21:26 |
| Pendulum | hajour: no, I see a specialist for Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome and she's 6 hours away from home so drove down today, see her tomorrow, and drive back home tomorrow afternoon | 21:26 |
| hajour | ok than i right understand it erkan^ | 21:26 |
| Pendulum | and tonight I see maco! :D | 21:26 |
| maco | yay! | 21:27 |
| erkan^ | yes | 21:27 |
| erkan^ | but do you use a maginifiy, hajour ? | 21:27 |
| hajour | nice Pendulum and maco | 21:27 |
| hajour | if it is possibly yes then i do erkan^ | 21:27 |
| erkan^ | I am tried with ZoomText, because it is perhaps for friends and colleagues for me interesse in Ubuntu when it is succesfull with ZoomText. They have | 21:27 |
| hajour | i will not be long here today | 21:27 |
| erkan^ | they always are depends --> ZoomText | 21:28 |
| hajour | undi and i do shift watch | 21:28 |
| hajour | because my youngest daughter is not very well | 21:28 |
| charlie-tca | Pendulum: I sent you a blog page | 21:29 |
| erkan^ | hajour: http://forum.compiz.org/viewtopic.php?f=86&t=33689 --> I have wroten | 21:29 |
| Pendulum | charlie-tca: I saw. I'll probably not get it up until Wednesday, but I did look at it | 21:29 |
| charlie-tca | Let me know if it works for you | 21:29 |
| hajour | i am still awake from yesterday 11:00 its now here 22:29 evening | 21:29 |
| charlie-tca | I thought you went to sleep last nite? | 21:29 |
| hajour | read above | 21:30 |
| erkan^ | Al two days I tried to solve a problem, but it is not success )-; | 21:30 |
| hajour | she felt almost had hurt in the hart airier | 21:31 |
| hajour | low blood pressure | 21:31 |
| hajour | undi worked today | 21:31 |
| charlie-tca | Sorry to hear that, hajour | 21:32 |
| hajour | but not had sleep last night | 21:32 |
| hajour | so he sleep now | 21:32 |
| charlie-tca | My 35 years old nephew had a heart attack yesterday | 21:32 |
| hajour | and he take over in about 2 hoours from now | 21:32 |
| hajour | she is 10 | 21:32 |
| charlie-tca | That is very hard for you, then | 21:33 |
| hajour | i hope he is alright you nephew | 21:33 |
| hajour | i worry | 21:33 |
| hajour | she ia alreay so tiny and skinny | 21:34 |
| hajour | is already | 21:34 |
| hajour | she is been here in llubuntu channel | 21:34 |
| hajour | she has also a factoid by the bot dragon eyes | 21:35 |
| hajour | i think it will come alright again | 21:36 |
| hajour | she is a fighter | 21:36 |
| charlie-tca | hajour: he is older, and will probably be fine. Your daughter is very young. | 21:36 |
| hajour | she is like me | 21:36 |
| charlie-tca | I hope she is going to be okay | 21:36 |
| hajour | yes i think she will ok againand over 10 years she have partner o i now already have sorry fot that partner | 21:37 |
| hajour | she have a strong will | 21:38 |
| hajour | she looks like me when i was that age | 21:38 |
| charlie-tca | A strong will helps. That gives strength | 21:39 |
| hajour | yes | 21:39 |
| hajour | and she have more confidence then me | 21:39 |
| hajour | hai MichelleQ :) | 21:40 |
| hajour | how you call that in english? | 21:41 |
| hajour | here they say | 21:41 |
| hajour | ze is een pittige meid | 21:42 |
| charlie-tca | she is one tough little girl | 21:42 |
| hajour | yes | 21:43 |
| charlie-tca | or "she is one strong girl", either way | 21:43 |
| hajour | she looks sometimes hard outside but is very sensitive in many things | 21:44 |
| hajour | she often makes me smile | 21:45 |
| hajour | she was angry she was not old enough to come on ubuntu | 21:46 |
| hajour | because she want to learn program to | 21:46 |
| hajour | here | 21:47 |
| hajour | and help | 21:47 |
| hajour | my 11 year daughter also | 21:47 |
| hajour | then i say just have patience | 21:47 |
| Pendulum | hajour: do they know english? because there's a book called Snake Wrangling for Kids that they might be able to use to learn to program | 21:48 |
| maco | i gave a pdf of that to my little cousins, along with How to Think Like a Computer Scientist: Learning With Python... | 21:48 |
| Pendulum | heck, I like Snake Wrangling for kids | 21:48 |
| erkan^ | niemand wilt mijn probleem oplossen )-; . hier was rustig, later zei ik hoi hajour en over vergrootglasprogramma gevraagd, later werd opeens druk )-: | 21:48 |
| hajour | she have use google translate | 21:48 |
| maco | the 11 year old has informed "*scoff* i already know what a function is" since she actually read them! | 21:48 |
| Pendulum | I spent a good 2 hours playing with it one day because it was fun! | 21:49 |
| hajour | when she where here in the lubuntu channel | 21:49 |
| Pendulum | *nods* | 21:49 |
| hajour | sorry erkan^ | 21:49 |
| * erkan^ loopt het weg en duikt in de kleedkast )-: | 21:49 | |
| hajour | erkan^, have the feeling nobody wants to solve his problem | 21:50 |
| erkan^ | no indeed )-: | 21:50 |
| erkan^ | http://www.aisquared.com/ --> 500 dollar :S | 21:51 |
| hajour | my daughter just is watching now often english movie s with dutch subtitles | 21:51 |
| erkan^ | cool, hajour :-D | 21:52 |
| hajour | she probably have dyslectic to but she always search to a solution | 21:52 |
| charlie-tca | It is very hard to resolve the issues with accessibility applications. | 21:52 |
| hajour | erkan^, ^ | 21:52 |
| charlie-tca | erkan^ is trying to use the magnifier application. It works, but has bugs in it. | 21:53 |
| hajour | line above is about my 10 year old | 21:53 |
| erkan^ | but happy is important. i hope that you feel happy and children too, hajour | 21:53 |
| charlie-tca | the compiz magnifier works better, but not when typing | 21:53 |
| hajour | my 11 year old have diagnostic dyslectic | 21:53 |
| hajour | mm ok charlie-tca | 21:54 |
| erkan^ | that is right, charlie-tca | 21:54 |
| charlie-tca | We keep looking for solutions, but we have not found one yet for that problem | 21:54 |
| AlanBell | charlie-tca: I think I found all the bits to write a compiz text tracking zoom | 21:55 |
| erkan^ | Compiz Magnifier is little same --> http://www.aisquared.com/ ... charlie-tca | 21:55 |
| AlanBell | I read the orca source which shows how it gets the x,y of the text cursor when in a gnome text object | 21:56 |
| hajour | Pendulum, i deliver reinforcement for the women her XD | 21:56 |
| charlie-tca | erkan^: AlanBell is trying to fix the compiz magnifier so it will work. It just takes us all time to make everything work or find solutions. | 21:56 |
| erkan^ | really??? | 21:56 |
| charlie-tca | great! I got in another fight over getting Onboard in the menu. | 21:56 |
| charlie-tca | It seems it is supposedly very easy for those who need it to just start it without a menu | 21:57 |
| erkan^ | is that difficult bugs, charlie-tca ? | 21:57 |
| charlie-tca | yup | 21:57 |
| AlanBell | charlie-tca: who with? | 21:57 |
| charlie-tca | Got to try and get able-bodied people to understand the problems. | 21:57 |
| charlie-tca | bug 275450 | 21:58 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 275450 in onboard "menu items missing on fresh install of Ubuntu" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/275450 | 21:58 |
| charlie-tca | lol | 21:58 |
| hajour | bug 1 | 21:59 |
| ubot2 | hajour: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 (Not reporting large bug) | 21:59 |
| charlie-tca | Just got to keep trying, right? | 21:59 |
| hajour | :P | 21:59 |
| hajour | sorry could not let it to do it | 21:59 |
| Pendulum | charlie-tca: I'm adding in support on that bug | 22:00 |
| charlie-tca | I got the Onboard developer in on it, too | 22:01 |
| charlie-tca | We haven't given up, either. | 22:01 |
| Pendulum | I know | 22:01 |
| hajour | never give up | 22:02 |
| hajour | well sometimes | 22:02 |
| hajour | but i stand fast up again | 22:02 |
| charlie-tca | It just frustrates me. If it is easy to make it work, we shouldn't need a menu for anything. Every application should be just as easy to make work. | 22:02 |
| Pendulum | tbh, there used to be a lot of accessibility stuff that was easier to start in older versions of Ubuntu than it is now :-/ | 22:03 |
| hajour | UndiFineD, and i want speechprogram also so easy as possible | 22:03 |
| charlie-tca | yes, but the answers from the devs never change to match the reality | 22:03 |
| Pendulum | I remeber in Feisty where it was substantially easier to use GUIs for screen mag and I think text-to-speech | 22:04 |
| Pendulum | (I remember playing around with it once and back in those days I used screen magnification a lot more than I do now) | 22:04 |
| charlie-tca | yes, but the menu was "cluttered" then, since you actually had an accessibility menu | 22:05 |
| hajour | its easy to check if it is difficult UndiFineD just ask me to try .i am a newbie :P | 22:05 |
| Pendulum | I still don't know how to do GUI screen mag in current Ubuntu installs | 22:06 |
| hajour | define GUI screen ? | 22:06 |
| Pendulum | GUI = graphical user interface (so not using command line) | 22:06 |
| Pendulum | screen mag = screen magnification | 22:07 |
| maco | charlie-tca: gdm lacks on onscreen kbd too? how do you login if... | 22:07 |
| maco | i think kdm just got one recently | 22:07 |
| charlie-tca | gdm uses Onboard, but it won't let you enter the password | 22:08 |
| charlie-tca | The enter password option locks Onboard out | 22:08 |
| maco | that's stupid | 22:08 |
| charlie-tca | heh, yup | 22:08 |
| charlie-tca | But I can't just say that to them | 22:08 |
| charlie-tca | lol | 22:08 |
| charlie-tca | I got another bug report for that too | 22:08 |
| AlanBell | charlie-tca: forget the accessibility argument | 22:09 |
| AlanBell | think "tablet computer" | 22:09 |
| charlie-tca | Maybe that will work. I can try it | 22:09 |
| TheMuso | I wonder if gdm obeys the gconf key that tells gksu not to grab the keyboard... Probably not. | 22:09 |
| charlie-tca | I keep thinking accessibility is IMPORTANT. | 22:10 |
| AlanBell | it is, but sometimes you have to explain why it is important to *everyone* | 22:10 |
| AlanBell | and pointing out that it kinda helps when you don't have a keyboard on a tablet computer gets a wider spectrum of users interested in it being fixed | 22:11 |
| charlie-tca | I am trying... I got in trouble for telling someone they weren't smart enough to bother with a bug report; I won't do that again | 22:12 |
| Pendulum | have added a paragraph about tablets onto my comment | 22:12 |
| hajour | TheMuso, have you read the mail already from speechcontrol? | 22:13 |
| TheMuso | hajour: Unless there is a specific reason to read all such mails, I tend to skim ovr them. | 22:13 |
| charlie-tca | Thank you, Pendulum | 22:13 |
| charlie-tca | Apparently, I have to be careful of what wording I use. | 22:13 |
| hajour | well TheMuso in the mail stands speechcontrol is go upstream | 22:14 |
| hajour | and have new channels TheMuso | 22:14 |
| TheMuso | hajour: I saw. | 22:14 |
| hajour | ok jus wanted to know you was informed TheMuso :) | 22:15 |
| hajour | just | 22:15 |
| hajour | that's all | 22:17 |
| hajour | sorry to say but i find it better speechcontrol is go this way. i go watch this week more to it also. i already said i want it easy to install or together with ubuntu program mmm hard to explain in english | 22:19 |
| maco | hajour: do you mean you want to make it part of the default install? | 22:20 |
| hajour | most read /write programs you need to read much for to install it | 22:20 |
| hajour | what most people who need it simple not are able to | 22:20 |
| hajour | yes maco | 22:20 |
| hajour | i think it is not good to make a program what need to make it accessible is self not accessible to install | 22:21 |
| hajour | it seams logical to me | 22:23 |
| hajour | and many programs are like that | 22:24 |
| hajour | thats why i almost always need help with install things on the pc | 22:24 |
| Pendulum | i'm heading out. catch y'all later. maco, we should be there in 40-50 min | 22:25 |
| hajour | and thats is quiet frustrating because i like to do that myself without help needed | 22:25 |
| hajour | and thank you maco for to explain what i meant | 22:26 |
| charlie-tca | TheMuso is probably thinking it is nice to have other people trying to help with these accessibility issues | 22:33 |
| TheMuso | charlie-tca: Hell yeah. | 22:33 |
| Cheri703 | charlie-tca: I was just catching up on my scrollback: the onboard not being in a menu and not being able to put in passwords have bugged me for a long time and I don't *need* them | 22:33 |
| charlie-tca | I know that one, Cheri703 | 22:33 |
| charlie-tca | TheMuso: anything I can help with... just let me know | 22:34 |
| Cheri703 | TheMuso: I've been trying to talk my brother into helping with some of the accessibility programming and such, but he's SUPER busy and has a 6 month old, so not likely any time soon, but he's hard of hearing and is interested in helping if his life calms down a bit | 22:34 |
| TheMuso | charlie-tca: thanks. Unity a11y stuff is still being worked on, so I will likely be letting you know once thats ready for wider testing. | 22:34 |
| TheMuso | Cheri703: Thats great to hear. | 22:35 |
| Cheri703 | TheMuso: ditto what charlie-tca said, I'm not able to program, but I can test like a pro ;) | 22:35 |
| charlie-tca | That would be good. I keep testing it, too | 22:35 |
| charlie-tca | I am not any good as a programmer. I just do other things to try and help | 22:35 |
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