=== API is now known as Guest87772 === Guest87772 is now known as apinheiro [14:06] Anybody home? [14:10] lurking2day: hi [14:12] Just a moment, please [14:12] You created Faisal? [14:14] yes [14:16] I was a staff sw engineer who became Faisal (motor skills/dexterity). I should be able to help. [14:17] we are working on a series of persona documents [14:21] and... ? [14:23] Do you need a Faisal at the moment? [14:34] Alan: (Or anyone else): If this is a bad time, I can come back. [14:36] If you're looking for a top notch 'Faisal' wrt motor skills, I'm offering to help. === apinheiro is now known as apinheiro_afk [15:02] sorry, in the middle of something else at the moment [15:07] images are all broken at the present time, installations fail === apinheiro_afk is now known as apinheiro [20:15] We will be testing the screen-reader installation for natty alpha3 this week === Cheri703_ is now known as Cheri703 [21:22] hajour, do you use "Maginifiy"? [21:23] hai erkan^ :0 [21:23] hi hajour [21:23] :) [21:23] hi hajour, erkan^ :) [21:23] (i'm only somewhat here, but I made it to my hotel at least!) [21:23] hai Pendulum :) [21:23] and hi Pendulum (-: [21:23] do you understand about my question, hajour ? [21:24] AlanBell: You would have to be able to get compiz the x,y coords of the cursor. You could do this possibly using dbus or a custom lib but it would require some programming [21:24] about EZOOM [21:24] Maginifiy = vergrootglas? [21:25] you are on a congress or something Pendulum ? [21:26] hajour: she's traveling to visit a special doctor [21:26] that is right, hajour [21:26] a ok maco [21:26] hajour: no, I see a specialist for Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome and she's 6 hours away from home so drove down today, see her tomorrow, and drive back home tomorrow afternoon [21:26] ok than i right understand it erkan^ [21:26] and tonight I see maco! :D [21:27] yay! [21:27] yes [21:27] but do you use a maginifiy, hajour ? [21:27] nice Pendulum and maco [21:27] if it is possibly yes then i do erkan^ [21:27] I am tried with ZoomText, because it is perhaps for friends and colleagues for me interesse in Ubuntu when it is succesfull with ZoomText. They have [21:27] i will not be long here today [21:28] they always are depends --> ZoomText [21:28] undi and i do shift watch [21:28] because my youngest daughter is not very well [21:29] Pendulum: I sent you a blog page [21:29] hajour: http://forum.compiz.org/viewtopic.php?f=86&t=33689 --> I have wroten [21:29] charlie-tca: I saw. I'll probably not get it up until Wednesday, but I did look at it [21:29] Let me know if it works for you [21:29] i am still awake from yesterday 11:00 its now here 22:29 evening [21:29] I thought you went to sleep last nite? [21:30] read above [21:30] Al two days I tried to solve a problem, but it is not success )-; [21:31] she felt almost had hurt in the hart airier [21:31] low blood pressure [21:31] undi worked today [21:32] Sorry to hear that, hajour [21:32] but not had sleep last night [21:32] so he sleep now [21:32] My 35 years old nephew had a heart attack yesterday [21:32] and he take over in about 2 hoours from now [21:32] she is 10 [21:33] That is very hard for you, then [21:33] i hope he is alright you nephew [21:33] i worry [21:34] she ia alreay so tiny and skinny [21:34] is already [21:34] she is been here in llubuntu channel [21:35] she has also a factoid by the bot dragon eyes [21:36] i think it will come alright again [21:36] she is a fighter [21:36] hajour: he is older, and will probably be fine. Your daughter is very young. [21:36] she is like me [21:36] I hope she is going to be okay [21:37] yes i think she will ok againand over 10 years she have partner o i now already have sorry fot that partner [21:38] she have a strong will [21:38] she looks like me when i was that age [21:39] A strong will helps. That gives strength [21:39] yes [21:39] and she have more confidence then me [21:40] hai MichelleQ :) [21:41] how you call that in english? [21:41] here they say [21:42] ze is een pittige meid [21:42] she is one tough little girl [21:43] yes [21:43] or "she is one strong girl", either way [21:44] she looks sometimes hard outside but is very sensitive in many things [21:45] she often makes me smile [21:46] she was angry she was not old enough to come on ubuntu [21:46] because she want to learn program to [21:47] here [21:47] and help [21:47] my 11 year daughter also [21:47] then i say just have patience [21:48] hajour: do they know english? because there's a book called Snake Wrangling for Kids that they might be able to use to learn to program [21:48] i gave a pdf of that to my little cousins, along with How to Think Like a Computer Scientist: Learning With Python... [21:48] heck, I like Snake Wrangling for kids [21:48] niemand wilt mijn probleem oplossen )-; . hier was rustig, later zei ik hoi hajour en over vergrootglasprogramma gevraagd, later werd opeens druk )-: [21:48] she have use google translate [21:48] the 11 year old has informed "*scoff* i already know what a function is" since she actually read them! [21:49] I spent a good 2 hours playing with it one day because it was fun! [21:49] when she where here in the lubuntu channel [21:49] *nods* [21:49] sorry erkan^ [21:49] * erkan^ loopt het weg en duikt in de kleedkast )-: [21:50] erkan^, have the feeling nobody wants to solve his problem [21:50] no indeed )-: [21:51] http://www.aisquared.com/ --> 500 dollar :S [21:51] my daughter just is watching now often english movie s with dutch subtitles [21:52] cool, hajour :-D [21:52] she probably have dyslectic to but she always search to a solution [21:52] It is very hard to resolve the issues with accessibility applications. [21:52] erkan^, ^ [21:53] erkan^ is trying to use the magnifier application. It works, but has bugs in it. [21:53] line above is about my 10 year old [21:53] but happy is important. i hope that you feel happy and children too, hajour [21:53] the compiz magnifier works better, but not when typing [21:53] my 11 year old have diagnostic dyslectic [21:54] mm ok charlie-tca [21:54] that is right, charlie-tca [21:54] We keep looking for solutions, but we have not found one yet for that problem [21:55] charlie-tca: I think I found all the bits to write a compiz text tracking zoom [21:55] Compiz Magnifier is little same --> http://www.aisquared.com/ ... charlie-tca [21:56] I read the orca source which shows how it gets the x,y of the text cursor when in a gnome text object [21:56] Pendulum, i deliver reinforcement for the women her XD [21:56] erkan^: AlanBell is trying to fix the compiz magnifier so it will work. It just takes us all time to make everything work or find solutions. [21:56] really??? [21:56] great! I got in another fight over getting Onboard in the menu. [21:57] It seems it is supposedly very easy for those who need it to just start it without a menu [21:57] is that difficult bugs, charlie-tca ? [21:57] yup [21:57] charlie-tca: who with? [21:57] Got to try and get able-bodied people to understand the problems. [21:58] bug 275450 [21:58] Launchpad bug 275450 in onboard "menu items missing on fresh install of Ubuntu" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/275450 [21:58] lol [21:59] bug 1 [21:59] hajour: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 (Not reporting large bug) [21:59] Just got to keep trying, right? [21:59] :P [21:59] sorry could not let it to do it [22:00] charlie-tca: I'm adding in support on that bug [22:01] I got the Onboard developer in on it, too [22:01] We haven't given up, either. [22:01] I know [22:02] never give up [22:02] well sometimes [22:02] but i stand fast up again [22:02] It just frustrates me. If it is easy to make it work, we shouldn't need a menu for anything. Every application should be just as easy to make work. [22:03] tbh, there used to be a lot of accessibility stuff that was easier to start in older versions of Ubuntu than it is now :-/ [22:03] UndiFineD, and i want speechprogram also so easy as possible [22:03] yes, but the answers from the devs never change to match the reality [22:04] I remeber in Feisty where it was substantially easier to use GUIs for screen mag and I think text-to-speech [22:04] (I remember playing around with it once and back in those days I used screen magnification a lot more than I do now) [22:05] yes, but the menu was "cluttered" then, since you actually had an accessibility menu [22:05] its easy to check if it is difficult UndiFineD just ask me to try .i am a newbie :P [22:06] I still don't know how to do GUI screen mag in current Ubuntu installs [22:06] define GUI screen ? [22:06] GUI = graphical user interface (so not using command line) [22:07] screen mag = screen magnification [22:07] charlie-tca: gdm lacks on onscreen kbd too? how do you login if... [22:07] i think kdm just got one recently [22:08] gdm uses Onboard, but it won't let you enter the password [22:08] The enter password option locks Onboard out [22:08] that's stupid [22:08] heh, yup [22:08] But I can't just say that to them [22:08] lol [22:08] I got another bug report for that too [22:09] charlie-tca: forget the accessibility argument [22:09] think "tablet computer" [22:09] Maybe that will work. I can try it [22:09] I wonder if gdm obeys the gconf key that tells gksu not to grab the keyboard... Probably not. [22:10] I keep thinking accessibility is IMPORTANT. [22:10] it is, but sometimes you have to explain why it is important to *everyone* [22:11] and pointing out that it kinda helps when you don't have a keyboard on a tablet computer gets a wider spectrum of users interested in it being fixed [22:12] I am trying... I got in trouble for telling someone they weren't smart enough to bother with a bug report; I won't do that again [22:12] have added a paragraph about tablets onto my comment [22:13] TheMuso, have you read the mail already from speechcontrol? [22:13] hajour: Unless there is a specific reason to read all such mails, I tend to skim ovr them. [22:13] Thank you, Pendulum [22:13] Apparently, I have to be careful of what wording I use. [22:14] well TheMuso in the mail stands speechcontrol is go upstream [22:14] and have new channels TheMuso [22:14] hajour: I saw. [22:15] ok jus wanted to know you was informed TheMuso :) [22:15] just [22:17] that's all [22:19] sorry to say but i find it better speechcontrol is go this way. i go watch this week more to it also. i already said i want it easy to install or together with ubuntu program mmm hard to explain in english [22:20] hajour: do you mean you want to make it part of the default install? [22:20] most read /write programs you need to read much for to install it [22:20] what most people who need it simple not are able to [22:20] yes maco [22:21] i think it is not good to make a program what need to make it accessible is self not accessible to install [22:23] it seams logical to me [22:24] and many programs are like that [22:24] thats why i almost always need help with install things on the pc [22:25] i'm heading out. catch y'all later. maco, we should be there in 40-50 min [22:25] and thats is quiet frustrating because i like to do that myself without help needed [22:26] and thank you maco for to explain what i meant [22:33] TheMuso is probably thinking it is nice to have other people trying to help with these accessibility issues [22:33] charlie-tca: Hell yeah. [22:33] charlie-tca: I was just catching up on my scrollback: the onboard not being in a menu and not being able to put in passwords have bugged me for a long time and I don't *need* them [22:33] I know that one, Cheri703 [22:34] TheMuso: anything I can help with... just let me know [22:34] TheMuso: I've been trying to talk my brother into helping with some of the accessibility programming and such, but he's SUPER busy and has a 6 month old, so not likely any time soon, but he's hard of hearing and is interested in helping if his life calms down a bit [22:34] charlie-tca: thanks. Unity a11y stuff is still being worked on, so I will likely be letting you know once thats ready for wider testing. [22:35] Cheri703: Thats great to hear. [22:35] TheMuso: ditto what charlie-tca said, I'm not able to program, but I can test like a pro ;) [22:35] That would be good. I keep testing it, too [22:35] I am not any good as a programmer. I just do other things to try and help === pleia2_ is now known as pleia2