| Kurlon | Any chance I could boot an ubuntu arm userland with an Android kernel? | 01:11 |
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| Kurlon | Or are they too butchered? | 01:11 |
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| rsalveti | Kurlon: you can, not that will work 100% fine, but most of the times you can enable later what's missing | 02:47 |
| rsalveti | I think the ac100 kernel is still the android one | 02:47 |
| rsalveti | and people are using it mostly with ubuntu | 02:47 |
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| lilstevie | the one I use with the tab is still an android butchered kern | 04:40 |
| lilstevie | but too much is broke | 04:40 |
| lilstevie | and I have to start rolling back some of the android patches | 04:40 |
| lilstevie | which is proving rather troublesome | 04:41 |
| rsalveti | it all depends on the quality of the changes | 04:50 |
| rsalveti | if it's not breaking stuff at least, you can still use a config compatible with ubuntu | 04:51 |
| rsalveti | with the needed modules and stuff | 04:51 |
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| ogra | hrm | 09:49 |
| ogra | no images :( | 09:50 |
| ogra | bug 721118 | 09:50 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 721118 in unity "Unity FTBFS on armel due to Nux" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/721118 | 09:50 |
| XorA_ | morning | 10:04 |
| ericb2 | hello | 10:46 |
| ericb2 | I'm using the natty version on BeagleBoard xM and it's slow | 10:46 |
| ericb2 | is the proc frequency 600 MHz only ? | 10:46 |
| ericb2 | second, looks like there is no 3D acceleration. Is there something possible, or .. | 10:47 |
| ericb2 | thanks in advance :) | 10:47 |
| ogra | i think there is some cmdline option you can set to make it operate on full speed | 10:52 |
| ericb2 | ogra: I believed cpufreq-selector could help, but the frequency management is not handled (if I searched correctly) | 10:53 |
| ogra | and the sgx drivers should be in multiverse somewhere | 10:53 |
| ericb2 | ogra: ah, thanks. was the name missing me | 10:54 |
| ericb2 | sgx | 10:54 |
| XorA_ | I think you do mpurate=<number> to get itr faster | 11:03 |
| ericb2 | XorA_: at boot time ? | 11:03 |
| XorA_ | ericb2: yes | 11:03 |
| ericb2 | XorA_: ok. and what number are possibles ? | 11:03 |
| ericb2 | numbers | 11:04 |
| ogra | i think it takes MHz values | 11:04 |
| ogra | so 1000 should get you a GHz | 11:04 |
| ericb2 | ok, I'll try 800 then | 11:04 |
| XorA_ | 800 certainly safe if thats the right arg, Im working from memory | 11:04 |
| * XorA_ only got an XM yesterday | 11:04 | |
| * ogra imagines 1000 should work too, buut 800 is surely safer | 11:05 | |
| ericb2 | ok. anyway, we'll see | 11:05 |
| ericb2 | is there a key to hit at boot ? | 11:05 |
| XorA_ | I think koen was running XM happilly at 1.2Ghz | 11:06 |
| ogra | no, you edit /boot/boot.script and run sudo flash-kernel | 11:06 |
| ogra | on the running system | 11:06 |
| ogra | that will change your boot args | 11:06 |
| ericb2 | ogra: thanks | 11:07 |
| * XorA_ shall Natty his XM tonight | 11:08 | |
| ogra | heh | 11:08 |
| ogra | i think we shopuld probably set mpurate at image buildtime | 11:09 |
| janimo | ogra, ping | 11:09 |
| ogra | the prob is that these images also run on B and C series beagles and we cant really determine if we are on a XM | 11:09 |
| ogra | janimo, yo | 11:10 |
| XorA_ | the cpufreq patches should be mainstream now, and they know what type of omap you have | 11:10 |
| ogra | janimo, in bug 724615 there is a "fix committed" set, could you please link the branch in the future ? (desktop team asked) | 11:10 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 724615 in unity "unity FTBFS on armel" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/724615 | 11:10 |
| XorA_ | but last I saw there were some bugs in cpufreq framework preventing going to full speed as it assume unique voltages for each frequency | 11:11 |
| ogra | that way its easier to find what the patch was :) | 11:11 |
| ericb2 | XorA_ I got an xM rev 1 if I'm not wrong | 11:11 |
| XorA_ | dont know which rev I got | 11:12 |
| ogra | no sticker ? | 11:12 |
| XorA_ | ogra: its at home, my eyesight not that good | 11:13 |
| ogra | train it ! | 11:13 |
| XorA_ | someone sold it to me cheap over the weekend | 11:13 |
| * XorA_ never persuaded TI to part with any :-D | 11:13 | |
| ericb2 | shit I tried to install libgl1-sgx-omap3 libgles2-sgx-omap3 and it fails. | 11:15 |
| ericb2 | the reason is : FATAL: module omaplfb not found | 11:15 |
| ogra | you need the powervr package first i think | 11:16 |
| ogra | powervr-omap3-dkms | 11:16 |
| * ericb2 tries | 11:16 | |
| ericb2 | it is already installed | 11:17 |
| ericb2 | Building ... | 11:18 |
| ogra | is it done compiling already ? | 11:18 |
| ogra | aha | 11:18 |
| ericb2 | Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 2.6.38-1-omap (armel) | 11:18 |
| ericb2 | I'll consult the make.log | 11:18 |
| ogra | is that your own kernel ? | 11:19 |
| ericb2 | ogra: no it isn't | 11:19 |
| ericb2 | error : unknown fiels 'ioctl' specified in initializer | 11:19 |
| ogra | hmm, strange | 11:19 |
| ericb2 | s/fiels/field/ | 11:19 |
| ogra | there might be a ppa where rsalveti provides an update package, wait until he is around | 11:20 |
| ericb2 | in build/services4/3rdparty/bufferclass_ti/bc_cat.c | 11:20 |
| ogra | though i'm not sure he rolled a new one for omap3 ... i know there is one for omap4 somewhere | 11:20 |
| janimo | ogra, there was no branch I committed to trunk | 11:21 |
| janimo | there's a ton of ubnity email since I am on the team, so I would not be surprised commit messages to be overlooked | 11:21 |
| ogra | janimo, then make a branch first and link it or attach a patch or some such | 11:21 |
| ogra | its just very hard to find out about the fix if nothing is linked | 11:22 |
| ogra | you can even just copy the link to the revision into a comment | 11:22 |
| janimo | ok, I was hoping that bzr commit would do something as I inlucde dLP :#XXX in the commit msg | 11:23 |
| ogra | hmm | 11:23 |
| janimo | is this on ayatana or u-desktop? | 11:23 |
| ogra | i think it should ... i rarely cimmit to upstream branches directly though, i usually link merge branches | 11:23 |
| ogra | the discussion was on u-desktop | 11:24 |
| ericb2 | ogra: is it possible to compile by hand ? | 12:24 |
| ogra | look up the dkms docs, i think you can trigger it by hand | 12:24 |
| ericb2 | ogra: I'm currently in /var/lib/dkms/pwervr-omap3/3.01.00.07/build/services4/3rdparty/bufferclass_ti, but make leads me to undefined $KERNEL_DIR | 12:25 |
| * ericb2 looks | 12:25 | |
| ogra | hmm, really looks like you dont use the official kernel | 12:26 |
| ericb2 | ogra: no idea : Im running the Ubuntu image I found the link on the Ubuntu wiki | 12:26 |
| ericb2 | ogra: this is natty, could be related ? | 12:26 |
| ogra | linux-image-2.6.38-5-omap | 12:27 |
| ogra | thats the version you should have installed | 12:27 |
| ericb2 | ogra: uname -a tells : Linux beagle 2.6.38-1-omap | 12:27 |
| ericb2 | ogra: uname -a tells : Linux beagle 2.6.38-1-omap #28-Ubuntu | 12:28 |
| ogra | that sounds outdated | 12:28 |
| ericb2 | indeed, apt-cache tells me about 2.6.38-5 | 12:29 |
| ericb2 | shit .. no network | 12:31 |
| ericb2 | is /etc/init.d/networking restart wrong ? | 12:32 |
| ogra | that only restarts low-level bits iirc | 12:32 |
| ogra | network manager cares for the higher level bits | 12:32 |
| ericb2 | ogra: and I need to got X.org running for that ? | 12:33 |
| ogra | you can also set it up in /etc/network/interfaces instead | 12:33 |
| ogra | then NM will use the config from there without X | 12:34 |
| ericb2 | I added two lines in /etc/network interfaces : allow-hotplug usb0 and iface usb0 inet dhcp | 12:41 |
| ericb2 | and ifup usb0 fails | 12:41 |
| ogra | and auto usb0 ? | 12:41 |
| ogra | you shouldnt need allow-hotplug | 12:41 |
| ogra | cat /proc/net/dev|grep usb ? | 12:41 |
| * ericb2 removed allow-hotplug an retries ... | 12:43 | |
| ericb2 | ogra: got : usb0: 64009 677 .... and so on | 12:45 |
| ogra | looks fine | 12:45 |
| ericb2 | ok, works now. Suddenly ... | 12:45 |
| ogra | its magic :) | 12:46 |
| ericb2 | ogra: ufff ... loosk like I'm in debug mode ... got zillions of [ xxxx.xxxxxx] smsc95xx 1-2.1:1.0: usb0: kevent 2 may have been dropped | 12:47 |
| * ericb2 installing kernel 2.6.38-5 | 12:48 | |
| ericb2 | (omap version) | 12:49 |
| * ericb2 hopes to be able to work a bit today | 12:53 | |
| rsalveti | morning | 13:03 |
| ericb2 | rsalveti: hi | 13:05 |
| ericb2 | rsalveti: got a problem installing powervr on omap3 | 13:05 |
| ericb2 | rsalveti: X.org is gone ... | 13:05 |
| ericb2 | rsalveti: + the build fails | 13:06 |
| rsalveti | ericb2: could be that sgx is broken with latest updates | 13:06 |
| rsalveti | ericb2: can you open a bug against it? | 13:06 |
| rsalveti | will take a look then | 13:06 |
| ericb2 | rsalveti: where ? | 13:06 |
| ericb2 | rsalveti: do you have a link I meant | 13:06 |
| rsalveti | maybe by updating the package or by fixing the current code | 13:06 |
| rsalveti | ericb2: just open a bug agains the sgx package for omap3 | 13:07 |
| rsalveti | putting your dkms logs | 13:07 |
| rsalveti | ericb2: there's a workaround to avoid the smsc95xx messages | 13:07 |
| rsalveti | let me get the link | 13:07 |
| rsalveti | XorA: ogra: and for omap I'd like to merge the patch that sets the mhz higher for most beagle boards | 13:08 |
| rsalveti | also on my todo, was waiting more discussion and see if it'd go for 39 | 13:09 |
| rsalveti | than I can easily backport for our current 38 | 13:09 |
| gholl | does anyone know how long i can expect to wait for the image writing to complete? I'm following instructions here for a beagle board install, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAPMaverickInstall | 13:10 |
| rsalveti | ericb2: for smsc messages: Add to /etc/sysctl.conf: vm.min_free_kbytes = 8192 | 13:11 |
| ericb2 | rsalveti: ok, I'll do once I'll have installed kernel-sources for 2.6.38-5 | 13:12 |
| rsalveti | ericb2: thanks | 13:12 |
| ericb2 | btw, mpurate=800 seems to work well. mpurate=1000 does nothing, and looks like 600 MHz is the fallback | 13:14 |
| * ericb2 doing everything on a simple 16GB micro SD card | 13:15 | |
| ogra | k | 13:15 |
| ericb2 | would be fantastic to find 32 or even 64GB a day, using such "size" :) | 13:16 |
| ericb2 | 1cm square hard disk is a bit of fun | 13:16 |
| XorA_ | crap just reminded me I dont have any high speed microSDs | 13:16 |
| ericb2 | rsalveti: done. ( /etc/sysctl.conf ..etc) | 13:34 |
| ericb2 | rsalveti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/powervr-omap3/+bug/726541 | 13:46 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 726541 in powervr-omap3 "powervp installation broken on aremel (kernel 2.6.38-5)" [Undecided,New] | 13:46 |
| rsalveti | ericb2: cool, thanks | 13:48 |
| ericb2 | rsalveti: I added one comment | 13:49 |
| ericb2 | rsalveti: wiating, what can I do to repair my X.org (currently broken) | 13:50 |
| ericb2 | ? | 13:50 |
| ericb2 | s/wiating/waiting/ | 13:50 |
| rsalveti | ericb2: what happened to your x.org? | 13:50 |
| ericb2 | something like "module omaplfb not found" or something close | 13:51 |
| ericb2 | rsalveti: happened when I tried to install powervr | 13:51 |
| ericb2 | and apt-cache search omaplfb ... is empty :/ | 13:52 |
| rsalveti | that's because this module is loaded during the sgx initscript | 13:52 |
| rsalveti | but it shouldn't affect your xorg | 13:53 |
| rsalveti | as the omap 3 driver doesn't properly support the xorg | 13:53 |
| ericb2 | rsalveti: where is the config file located ? Maybe I can reconfigure X.org ? | 13:53 |
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| rsalveti | ericb2: there's no xorg conf by default | 13:55 |
| ericb2 | rsalveti: sorry, how does it work then ? | 13:55 |
| rsalveti | ericb2: at /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d are the basic confs, but not something that sets your video driver | 13:55 |
| rsalveti | you can still create your own config, but not needed | 13:56 |
| rsalveti | as you're basically using xorg with framebuffer | 13:56 |
| ericb2 | rsalveti: ok, and how can I figure out what happens ? The only info I got is : ddxSigGiveUp : Closing log | 13:57 |
| ericb2 | in /var/log/Xorg.0.log | 13:57 |
| rsalveti | ericb2: can you post your x.org log for me? | 13:57 |
| ericb2 | rsalveti: yes, sure. Let me try to launch it manually | 13:59 |
| ericb2 | (EE} HID 04f3:013: failed to initialize for relative axes. | 14:00 |
| ericb2 | could the mpurate=800 be the reason ? | 14:01 |
| ericb2 | and servce gdm restart does notthing ... tested on CTRL + ALT + F6 -> F10 | 14:06 |
| rsalveti | if xorg is failing, then gdm restart will not work | 14:08 |
| ericb2 | rsalveti: I know. Was to obtain a track, somewhere to search | 14:08 |
| ericb2 | rsalveti: the only track I got, is when I installed the libegl1-sgx-omap3 lib, a lot of libs have been uninstalled | 14:18 |
| ericb2 | rsalveti: bingo | 14:19 |
| ericb2 | rsalveti: broken dependencies | 14:19 |
| rsalveti | it's normal to remove some mesa libraries and dependencies, as the sgx one will replace them | 14:20 |
| rsalveti | but it could be that something was remove accidentally | 14:20 |
| rsalveti | *removed | 14:20 |
| rsalveti | I'm setting up my beagleboard to test the package again | 14:21 |
| rsalveti | and try to fix it | 14:21 |
| ericb2 | rsalveti: you mean everyting removed + omaplfb module should replace everything ? | 14:21 |
| * ericb2 will redo .. not clear | 14:21 | |
| rsalveti | no, the sgx packages should replace the libegl/libgles from mesa | 14:21 |
| rsalveti | and when the mesa packages are removed, some others are also removed, as not used anymore | 14:21 |
| ericb2 | rsalveti: ok, but sgx package won't work without the module ? | 14:22 |
| rsalveti | ericb2: nops | 14:22 |
| ericb2 | rsalveti: ah .. sorry looks I'm plain wrong | 14:22 |
| rsalveti | but your xorg should still work | 14:22 |
| ericb2 | rsalveti: it's not the case | 14:23 |
| lag | rsalveti: Did you manage to give that rootfs a stab? | 14:30 |
| rsalveti | lag: argh, sorry, it took so long to download that I completely forgot | 14:31 |
| rsalveti | let me dig it here | 14:31 |
| lag | :) | 14:32 |
| lag | np | 14:32 |
| rsalveti | lag: did you try this rootfs with kernel upstream? | 15:18 |
| rsalveti | or how are you planning to use it? | 15:18 |
| lag | rsalveti: I have various kernels I can try to use it with | 15:19 |
| lag | rsalveti: The main one is on git.linaro.org | 15:19 |
| rsalveti | lag: so what exactly you want me to test with it? | 15:19 |
| lag | rsalveti: I'm guessing you don't have HW though | 15:19 |
| lag | Anything? | 15:19 |
| rsalveti | just to try it with beagle? | 15:19 |
| rsalveti | ok | 15:19 |
| lag | rsalveti: I think it's just a generic kernel | 15:20 |
| lag | Sure | 15:20 |
| XorA_ | hey prpplague | 15:39 |
| prpplague | XorA_: hey bud | 15:39 |
| XorA_ | prpplague: what happens if I plug a zippy into beagle XM? | 15:40 |
| prpplague | XorA: it goes *poof* | 15:41 |
| * prpplague jokes with XorA | 15:41 | |
| XorA_ | :-( | 15:41 |
| prpplague | XorA: zippy and zippy2 have been tested with xm with no issues | 15:41 |
| XorA_ | prpplague: sweet, even bigger rootfs with LVM then :-D | 15:42 |
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| rsalveti | lag: image is working fine | 17:54 |
| rsalveti | lag: with our 38 for omap | 17:54 |
| rsalveti | linaro image but still "Welcome to Ubuntu Natty" :-) | 17:54 |
| lag | rsalveti: It's the Linaro image of Ubuntu | 18:17 |
| ogra | heh | 18:17 |
| ogra | "the linaro image of ubuntu" | 18:18 |
| ogra | sounds like "the duke of earl" | 18:18 |
| janimo | rsalveti, do TI plan a .38 upload now that it seems to be close to good enough? | 18:21 |
| ogra | TI ... upload ... ? | 18:22 |
| ogra | janimo, cooloney does our kernel, whenever he is ready we should get a package | 18:23 |
| ogra | given that there are only a few hours until freeze i wouldnt expect it before alpha3 though | 18:23 |
| janimo | ogra, ah great. Well, green light for upload, pull request whatever :) | 18:23 |
| janimo | it's a soft freeze :) | 18:24 |
| armin76 | ogra talking bad about TI *g* | 18:24 |
| ogra | k, i'll try to ping him tomorrow morning | 18:24 |
| janimo | and it does not go into images so should not destabilize A3 | 18:24 |
| ogra | we wont have parallel kernel packages for omap4 | 18:24 |
| janimo | ah, so it's a straigh update | 18:25 |
| ogra | so it has to be good enough to replace the existing one | 18:25 |
| janimo | ok, then | 18:25 |
| ogra | right | 18:25 |
| ogra | kernel team refused to maintain two packages | 18:25 |
| janimo | makes perfect sense | 18:25 |
| ogra | specially since we would get naming probs | 18:25 |
| ogra | and cross-grading would become a pain | 18:25 |
| janimo | ogra, what were the takeaways from the emdebian meeting? | 18:26 |
| janimo | anything new to us? | 18:26 |
| rsalveti | janimo: ogra: new .38 upload should be done when cooloney work on it | 18:26 |
| rsalveti | but, still not tested | 18:26 |
| ogra | rsalveti, right | 18:26 |
| rsalveti | the pull request is done from TI side already | 18:26 |
| ogra | i think janimo just said it was good for him above | 18:27 |
| janimo | ok | 18:27 |
| ogra | yup, i saw the mail | 18:27 |
| ogra | the sound stuff doesnt look convincing though | 18:27 |
| ogra | but we have time to fix that this time (i hope) | 18:27 |
| rsalveti | yeah | 18:27 |
| rsalveti | I believe we'll go a3 with the kernel we have in hands | 18:27 |
| rsalveti | this new on a ppa and after a3 we can do the switch | 18:28 |
| ogra | yeah | 18:28 |
| rsalveti | as the soft freeze for a3 is today | 18:28 |
| rsalveti | wasn't expecting that | 18:28 |
| ogra | freeze is at 23:00 UTC | 18:28 |
| armin76 | where is that .38 kernel coming from? | 18:28 |
| rsalveti | yeah | 18:28 |
| rsalveti | armin76: from TI | 18:28 |
| ogra | its always on mondy evening/tuesday morning | 18:28 |
| rsalveti | armin76: but basically the same one linaro currently delivers | 18:28 |
| rsalveti | ogra: yeah, was expecting it to be tomorrow, but fine :-) | 18:28 |
| rsalveti | nothing urgent | 18:29 |
| ogra | well, looks like unity didnt make it yet | 18:29 |
| armin76 | rsalveti: link for it? | 18:29 |
| rsalveti | armin76: getting for you | 18:29 |
| ogra | so that looks like a delay | 18:29 |
| armin76 | thanks | 18:29 |
| ogra | (for the freeze) | 18:29 |
| rsalveti | ogra: what you mean? we may need some bugfixing | 18:29 |
| rsalveti | but that's fine if we can do that tomorrow | 18:29 |
| ogra | rsalveti, i know ... | 18:29 |
| rsalveti | I believe | 18:29 |
| ogra | we wont have images tomorrow | 18:29 |
| rsalveti | ogra: didn't you say you fixed it? | 18:30 |
| ogra | unity will be uploaded tomorrow morning only | 18:30 |
| rsalveti | :-) | 18:30 |
| janimo | finally KDE packages are out of the FTBFS queue, now the chart looks familiar again | 18:30 |
| ogra | no,. janimo fixed it | 18:30 |
| janimo | although I wish Libo built on arm for a change | 18:30 |
| ogra | but the fix was sitting idle in upstreams bzr for three days | 18:30 |
| rsalveti | oh, will still be pushed... | 18:30 |
| ogra | it will be pushed | 18:30 |
| rsalveti | argh | 18:30 |
| ogra | but the desktop team just announced they wont make it before tomorrow morning | 18:30 |
| ogra | which means we will have no images tomorrow morning | 18:31 |
| rsalveti | yeah | 18:31 |
| ogra | with luck we'll have them in the evening | 18:31 |
| janimo | maybe I should have made a package upload as well. Dunno, I was trying not to mess with too many bzr branches at once | 18:31 |
| rsalveti | yeah | 18:31 |
| rsalveti | I thought you also did a package upload | 18:31 |
| janimo | no | 18:31 |
| ogra | janimo, given treh experience we now have with nux and unity slowness, i would actually recommed package fixes in the future | 18:31 |
| janimo | I saw they upload quite frequently | 18:31 |
| janimo | so I leave it to them | 18:32 |
| rsalveti | it's taking too much time for the fixes to be in the archive | 18:32 |
| ogra | nux took ages | 18:32 |
| rsalveti | yeah | 18:32 |
| ogra | because they kept back a new upstream relese until FF | 18:32 |
| janimo | true, but I did not know how long it takes them. I will consider package uploads from now on though | 18:32 |
| rsalveti | seems they don't care much about arm | 18:32 |
| ogra | given the silly casting errors that cause our build failures i would agree with that :) | 18:33 |
| rsalveti | if it's breaking our images, then a package upload would be better I guess | 18:33 |
| janimo | rsalveti, I can't blame them. The flood of bugmails I am getting since on the unity team has * a lot* of crash reports | 18:33 |
| janimo | they ned to make that stabl eon x86 before caring for arm | 18:33 |
| rsalveti | crash or ftbfs? | 18:33 |
| janimo | crashes | 18:33 |
| rsalveti | crash is fine :P | 18:33 |
| ogra | yeah | 18:33 |
| janimo | I still canoot run unity on my two x86 laptops I test on | 18:33 |
| rsalveti | ftbfs blocks images | 18:33 |
| janimo | just goes away | 18:33 |
| ogra | ftbfs is blocking | 18:33 |
| janimo | ogra, rsalveti I know, what I am saying they are swamped by bugfix work so probably let us handle arm and only do it when explicitly pinged | 18:34 |
| ogra | i'm really curious if unity-2d will run at all | 18:34 |
| ogra | janimo, right, do package fixes and additionally dup a merge request in place for next upstream | 18:34 |
| rsalveti | armin76: https://github.com/sebjan/linux-2.6/tree/int-2.6.38-rc6-iv3 | 18:35 |
| ogra | *dump | 18:35 |
| rsalveti | yeah | 18:35 |
| rsalveti | otherwise we're not making a3 | 18:35 |
| * armin76 wonders why is it hidden | 18:40 | |
| armin76 | rsalveti: thanks | 18:40 |
| rsalveti | armin76: it's not hidden, heavy dev | 18:41 |
| rsalveti | armin76: if you follow linaro tree you'll probably get the same patch set | 18:41 |
| Neko | arm guys! | 18:41 |
| Neko | I have a quandry | 18:41 |
| Neko | I want to install from ubuntu-standard a full gnome desktop | 18:41 |
| Neko | but ubuntu-desktop requires unity | 18:42 |
| Neko | and jockey-gtk | 18:42 |
| sebjan | rsalveti: actually, if you talk about my tag, it does not contain the Linaro patches, only TI ones on top of mainline kernel | 18:42 |
| Neko | but unity depends on compiz | 18:42 |
| Neko | and jockey-gtk depends on nvidia-common | 18:42 |
| Neko | *what* is going on? | 18:42 |
| Neko | (btw unity-2d doesn't provides: unity either) | 18:42 |
| rsalveti | sebjan: true, I mean, if he gets the andy linaro tree he'll get everything | 18:42 |
| sebjan | rsalveti: correct | 18:43 |
| rsalveti | as he's also merging your tree | 18:43 |
| ogra | Neko unity is the default ubuntu-desktop in natty | 18:43 |
| rsalveti | Neko: we're fixing this | 18:43 |
| ogra | Neko, and unity-2d doesnt provide unity since it uses bits and pieces of unity | 18:43 |
| ogra | -2d needs unity installed | 18:44 |
| GrueMaster | Neko. Packages are being rebuilt frm massive uploads last week. Expect a little turbulence in the pool, it should settle by the end of the week. | 18:44 |
| Neko | right and I tried that but unity depends on compiz-abisomething | 18:44 |
| ogra | jockey is fixed since half a day | 18:44 |
| Neko | ah okay so I am just in the middle of an update? | 18:44 |
| Neko | phew.. | 18:44 |
| rsalveti | yeah | 18:44 |
| GrueMaster | Yes. | 18:44 |
| ogra | the rest will be fixed tomorrow or so | 18:44 |
| Neko | okay I am satisfied then | 18:44 |
| rsalveti | Neko: we still don't have images | 18:44 |
| rsalveti | since feb 16th | 18:44 |
| ogra | depending how fast the desktop team works | 18:44 |
| rsalveti | we expect this to be fixed this week | 18:44 |
| Neko | will there be a way to install a maverick-ish gnome desktop without unity? | 18:45 |
| ogra | we're waiting too | 18:45 |
| ogra | not when using ubuntu-desktop | 18:45 |
| Neko | but there's no new meta package to be back to the old behavior? | 18:45 |
| janimo | ogra, I am not sure u-2d need unity installed | 18:46 |
| Neko | I dunno. I like the IDEA of unity, just not the way it soaks up all the screen space with it's little menu bar | 18:46 |
| janimo | what pieces it uses from it? | 18:46 |
| ogra | janimo, the dash, icons etc | 18:46 |
| janimo | I don't see those in the depends | 18:46 |
| ogra | and iirc it build deps on libunity | 18:47 |
| janimo | I think there is some common C++ helper indeed | 18:47 |
| ogra | which should add it to debs through shlibs | 18:47 |
| janimo | but not unity (the apps ) itself | 18:47 |
| ogra | the point is that you can install all bits and pieces independently | 18:47 |
| ogra | i.e. i used the panel on a normal gnome desktop for a while here ;( | 18:47 |
| ogra | err | 18:48 |
| ogra | ;) | 18:48 |
| ogra | the unity package should probably have more recommends though | 18:48 |
| ogra | err | 18:48 |
| ogra | unity-2d indeed | 18:48 |
| ogra | GrueMaster, if you have some spare cycles today it would be nice to know if unity-2d still runs ... nowing that in advance before we have images would be helpful | 18:51 |
| GrueMaster | I'm already downloading the updates now. | 18:52 |
| * ogra hugs GrueMaster | 18:52 | |
| Neko | I'm kind of impressed with how fast natty is just as a running system... I hacked in gnome and ambience theme and the backdrops and it's like lightning | 18:55 |
| Neko | unity seems to run okay it's just I had to spend 2 hours getting it to even install | 18:56 |
| Neko | but I understand, we had this problem during Maverick... trying to do work during the day before and the day after an alpha release = eek :D | 18:56 |
| GrueMaster | Neko, when booting, you can select classic desktop when logging in. not sure if there are plans for a meta package. | 18:58 |
| Neko | it's no problem | 18:58 |
| Neko | it just scared me that I couldn't install ubuntu-desktop because it depends on unity and unity didn't work | 18:59 |
| Neko | which means no desktop ata ll | 18:59 |
| Neko | at all | 18:59 |
| Neko | I'll try it again mid-March and it will hopefully Just Work (tm) :) | 18:59 |
| ogra | you should try on thu. | 18:59 |
| Neko | release day? I doubt I will have good luck then :D | 19:00 |
| ogra | ?? | 19:00 |
| Neko | we usually have frightening problems with bandwdith to the ubuntu servers | 19:00 |
| ogra | this thursday | 19:00 |
| Neko | Alpha 3 release date is Thursday | 19:00 |
| ogra | yes | 19:00 |
| Neko | hundreds of geeks downloading new ISOs, pulling packages for their alpha 2 systems... | 19:00 |
| ogra | that shouldnt affext ports.ubuntu.com though | 19:00 |
| Neko | in theory :D | 19:01 |
| GrueMaster | Neko: I have my own mirror of ports so I don't get hit by bandwidth issues. | 19:02 |
| Neko | I use approx so I have a good buffer but it doesn't help when 90% of stuff got rebuilt | 19:03 |
| GrueMaster | my mirror updates every 4 hours. real slow for the first few weeks after UDS, but good overall. | 19:03 |
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| ericb2 | janimo: ping ? | 19:32 |
| janimo | ericb2, hello | 19:36 |
| ericb2 | janimo: hi. Are you Jani Monoses ? | 19:37 |
| janimo | ericb2, yes | 19:37 |
| ericb2 | janimo: maybe you'll be interested : I implemente the interlock part in arm assembler for armv7 + in OOo4Kids | 19:37 |
| janimo | ericb2, regarding the recent bug I filed? | 19:38 |
| ericb2 | janimo: in sal/osl/unx/interlck.c | 19:38 |
| ericb2 | janimo: I'm not aware | 19:38 |
| janimo | I was under the impression we need to move away from asm | 19:38 |
| janimo | I sent a patch to libo to use gcc atomic builtins for that | 19:38 |
| ericb2 | janimo: it woarks really wel on OOo4Kids | 19:39 |
| janimo | I think gcc does a good job for atomic ops nowadays | 19:39 |
| janimo | and imo the less ifdefs and assembly code the better :) | 19:39 |
| ericb2 | janimo: looks like I did the same | 19:39 |
| janimo | ericb2, is that of fork of OO? | 19:39 |
| ericb2 | janimo: http://eric.bachard.free.fr/patches/OOo4Kids/linux_arm/arm_DEV300_m93.diff | 19:39 |
| ericb2 | janimo: yes, OOo4Kids (and OOoLight ) is a fork of OOo | 19:40 |
| ericb2 | janimo: only the atomic part might interest you | 19:40 |
| janimo | ah I see, so you created the original arm optimization patch for OO? | 19:40 |
| janimo | that is currently in natty | 19:40 |
| ericb2 | janimo: I wrote this patch, but I don't know what other people dd with it :) | 19:40 |
| ericb2 | janimo: on my BeagleBoard, the change is really visible | 19:41 |
| ericb2 | janimo: and faster | 19:41 |
| ericb2 | janimo: so far, no crash yet, but maybe the patch needs to be tested intensively | 19:41 |
| janimo | ericb2, it is a coincidence then, as I only filed a bug related to this against ubuntu libo today | 19:42 |
| janimo | I bet it is faster, the alternative used pthread mutexes | 19:43 |
| ericb2 | janimo: yes. Some people like rene cry because I don't care armv6 or prior | 19:43 |
| janimo | still I think you'd get the same improvement and much cleaner code - no configure foo and no inline asm, using only the bits you used for arm <7 in your code | 19:43 |
| ericb2 | janimo: what is the problem | 19:43 |
| ericb2 | janimo: I tested both, and the inline asm is faster | 19:44 |
| janimo | ericb2, well you care for that too, by letting gcc do the right thing there | 19:44 |
| ericb2 | janimo: since I added other fixes | 19:44 |
| janimo | I did not perf test but looking at the code generated by gcc I see the same sequence of instructions so I was hopiong the performance is more or less the same | 19:44 |
| ericb2 | janimo: and the build is fine on Debian, on Ubuntu and on OE distributions (e.g. the one sakoman provides) | 19:44 |
| janimo | one fix needed is meory barriers | 19:45 |
| janimo | on beagle there is no need | 19:45 |
| janimo | but on SMP systems like the panda not using dmb can lead to bugs I guess | 19:45 |
| janimo | ericb2, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/726529 | 19:46 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 726529 in libreoffice "use arm assembly bits only for gcc < 4.6 on ARM > 6" [Undecided,In progress] | 19:46 |
| ericb2 | janimo: you're probably right. I filed the code thinking people could be interested, and nobody can imagine all cases | 19:46 |
| ericb2 | janimo: so any improvement is good to hear | 19:46 |
| janimo | ericb2, I think they were interested as long as your patch is part of the current LibO and former OO builds in Ubuntu | 19:47 |
| * ericb2 discovering the patch is part of current Libo | 19:47 | |
| janimo | LibO in Ubuntu | 19:47 |
| janimo | it is a patch Ubuntu carries | 19:47 |
| ericb2 | janimo: I know | 19:47 |
| janimo | but it was commited to LibO as well today | 19:47 |
| janimo | as it makes sense for older gcc build | 19:47 |
| ericb2 | janimo: I was not aware. I don't follow Libo | 19:48 |
| ericb2 | janimo: when Libo was decided, I was even not invited. Now, they can die | 19:48 |
| janimo | it was mentioned in the bugs filed. | 19:48 |
| ericb2 | janimo: no problem | 19:48 |
| janimo | ericb2, I am not sure it was invitation based. I do not know the details | 19:48 |
| janimo | I am sure they have a better future than OO, it is a shame you parted ways | 19:49 |
| ericb2 | janimo: well, I think I contribute since a long while to OOo, and not inform me was a choice. No problem for me anyway | 19:49 |
| janimo | they are responsive, I doubt you'll get your ARM patches in OO | 19:49 |
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| janimo | ericb2, I am not sure every contributor was made aware of the fork before the announcement | 19:49 |
| janimo | if so it must have been an oversight in your case | 19:50 |
| ericb2 | janimo: it was thought : use it if you consider it usefull. If not well that's no problem | 19:50 |
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| ericb2 | janimo: no, I was very close to people organising everything, and not inform me was a choice | 19:50 |
| janimo | I only got involved (slightly) since the fork and they come across as the most friendly project I have seen in a while | 19:50 |
| janimo | ericb2, sorry to hear that. HAve you asked them afterwads, did they clarify anything? | 19:51 |
| janimo | ericb2, is this ARM patch originally authored by you? | 19:51 |
| ericb2 | janimo: I wrote it, yes | 19:51 |
| ericb2 | janimo: but I didn't follow the story | 19:51 |
| ericb2 | janimo: precisely, I wrote the one I provided you the link http://eric.bachard.free.fr/patches/OOo4Kids/linux_arm/arm_DEV300_m93.diff | 19:52 |
| janimo | hmm, sadly there is no attribution on the patch in Ubuntu | 19:52 |
| janimo | the one in ubuntu looks very similar | 19:52 |
| ericb2 | janimo: as you can see, I backported it to OOo, making it more simpler for other forks, people | 19:52 |
| ericb2 | janimo: who commited it ? | 19:52 |
| ericb2 | janimo: http://cia.vc/stats/project/OOo4Kids | 19:53 |
| ericb2 | janimo: revision r1152 | 19:53 |
| janimo | today it was Bjoern, the UBuntu Libo maintainer. It was part of the ubuntu tree for a long time so he probably did not know whom to attribute | 19:53 |
| ericb2 | janimo: svn diff -cr1152 svn://svn.adullact.net/svnroot/ooo4kids1/trunk | 19:54 |
| janimo | what other changes does OO4kids have in general? | 19:54 |
| ericb2 | janimo: no Java, OOo - 40% | 19:54 |
| ericb2 | janimo: no Basic, just Python works | 19:54 |
| janimo | this 1152 commit is a few weeks old, is the patch older? | 19:54 |
| ericb2 | janimo: and new UI, working with students | 19:54 |
| ericb2 | janimo: the commit is the first time I published my code. After, I backported to DEV300_m93, and I uploaded the patch I shown you | 19:56 |
| ericb2 | janimo: other patch, is attached to OOo issue zilla | 19:56 |
| ericb2 | janimo: let me retrieve the link | 19:56 |
| janimo | ericb2, ok, for some reason I was under the impression the patch in Ubuntu is older, but I do not follow Ubuntu OO, it was just a coincidence I spotted this yesteday | 19:56 |
| ericb2 | janimo: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=117017 | 19:56 |
| ubot2 | ericb2: Error: Could not parse XML returned by OpenOffice.org: timed out (http://openoffice.org/issues/xml.cgi?id=117017) | 19:57 |
| ericb2 | janimo: I really wrote it | 19:57 |
| ericb2 | janimo: I learned everything, and spent several nights to that | 19:57 |
| ericb2 | janimo: and I ignored there was one similar patch on Ubuntu repo | 19:58 |
| ericb2 | janimo: do you have the link ? | 19:58 |
| * ericb2 curious | 19:58 | |
| janimo | checking | 19:59 |
| janimo | this went into LibO today http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/ure/commit/?id=83f2c071758ae7d74669d992e272e50057b895ed | 19:59 |
| janimo | I am not sure there's a plain Ubuntu patch except in a tgz somewhere | 20:00 |
| ericb2 | janimo: the patch I attached to IZ and I commited is dated 19 february. I'm pretty sure I completed it one day before. This leads to 18 february. Here is the story I know | 20:02 |
| ericb2 | janimo: what happens with gcc >= 4.6 ? | 20:02 |
| janimo | ericb2, it generated good enough code that it does not need to be manually written | 20:04 |
| janimo | I mean for the _sync_XXX stuff | 20:04 |
| ericb2 | janimo: __sync_add_and_fecth, ___sync_sub_and_fetch and al ? | 20:04 |
| janimo | yes | 20:05 |
| ericb2 | janimo: I see | 20:05 |
| janimo | that was part of your patch as well right? | 20:05 |
| ericb2 | janimo: yes. Ben ( a guy building on qemu + Debian arm ), had an issue with that. Was my fault | 20:05 |
| ericb2 | janimo: and I discoverd the stuff | 20:05 |
| ericb2 | janimo: more precisely, he had an undefined __sync_add_and_fetch_4 or something | 20:06 |
| ericb2 | janimo: and after some grep's I discovered the thing, and had the idea to learn arm asm :) | 20:06 |
| ericb2 | janimo: some years ago, I worked on m68k asm , and a bit on x86 asm too | 20:07 |
| ericb2 | so was not much surprised | 20:07 |
| ericb2 | janimo: as I mentionned in the log, Simon Guinot, helped me (he explained me the change after armv5 | 20:08 |
| ericb2 | ) | 20:08 |
| ericb2 | janimo: e.g. swap vs ldrex strex | 20:09 |
| janimo | right | 20:09 |
| ericb2 | janimo: I'm about to propose a subject for GSoC, about performance issues on arm | 20:10 |
| janimo | ericb2, hmm so that arm patch went into debian via Rene?I see it in the debian pkg changelog | 20:10 |
| ericb2 | janimo: OOo4Kids is an elephant, and we can improve a lot | 20:10 |
| ericb2 | janimo: probably | 20:10 |
| janimo | ericb2, I know OO is an elephant but I think much better gains could be had by doing higher level optimizations | 20:10 |
| ericb2 | janimo: rene was crying a lot after me | 20:10 |
| janimo | before going low level | 20:10 |
| ericb2 | janimo: he didn't read correctly the issue and he was red :) | 20:10 |
| janimo | like doing much less disk IO | 20:10 |
| ericb2 | janimo: yes | 20:11 |
| janimo | and pruning code and duplication and 20 year iolkd cruft | 20:11 |
| ericb2 | janimo: and remove lot of useless stuff | 20:11 |
| ericb2 | janimo: and more if affinity ^^ | 20:11 |
| janimo | at this point I think the code needs cleanup much more that asm level magic that only a ahdnful of devs understand well | 20:11 |
| ericb2 | just time is missing me : I got a real life, a real job, a family, doing a lot of sport :) | 20:12 |
| ericb2 | janimo: I'm in OOo code since 2004, and I worked a lot on the native Mac OS X port | 20:12 |
| ericb2 | janimo: including the MAc Intel one (we had to dive into the bridge too) | 20:12 |
| doko_ | ericb2: this is what Sweetshark did commit. http://libreoffice.pastebin.com/etTyZc5R GCC-4.6 inlines the _sync_* primitives | 20:13 |
| ericb2 | doko_: probably | 20:13 |
| ericb2 | doko_: as I told, I didnt follow what happened since I donated the patch | 20:13 |
| ericb2 | doko_: that's true I'd have appreciated to see my name mentionned somewhere though ... | 20:22 |
| doko_ | ericb2: I didn't see any name within the patch, nor do I know where it was submitted ... | 20:23 |
| ericb2 | doko_: it was originaly submitted to OOo IZ, to simplify the backports for all forks and so on. | 20:24 |
| ericb2 | doko_: imagine it was submitted to LO, it would never have been reversed to OOo. So to respect everybody, the most simple was to attach it to OOo IZ | 20:25 |
| doko_ | ericb2: please tell Sweetshark on #ubuntu-desktop | 20:25 |
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| desrt | ogra: word up | 20:48 |
| ogra | hohoho | 20:48 |
| desrt | do you have any idea if we'll be getting alternate toolchains for arm? | 20:49 |
| desrt | particularly: non-eabi and softfloat variants? | 20:49 |
| ogra | alternate ? like LLVM ? | 20:49 |
| ogra | ah | 20:49 |
| desrt | not really important for the compiler and binutils as much as for the libgcc... | 20:49 |
| ogra | not in natty | 20:49 |
| desrt | this stuff is important for building u-boot :) | 20:49 |
| ogra | we will get a hardfloat port in natty+1 which will run in parallel with the current one | 20:50 |
| ogra | what for are you building u-boot ? | 20:50 |
| desrt | the kobo | 20:50 |
| desrt | i love this device | 20:50 |
| desrt | it's cheap and hell and quite awesome | 20:50 |
| ericb2 | ogra: is hard float reliable ? | 20:50 |
| ogra | nice | 20:50 |
| desrt | it has a somewhat hacked up firmware installed | 20:51 |
| ogra | ericb2, according to markos_ who does the port in debian currently, it is, yeah | 20:51 |
| desrt | they released the code as a bunch of tarballs against old linux/redboot releases | 20:51 |
| desrt | and the patches are quite awful | 20:51 |
| ogra | what architecture is that ? | 20:51 |
| desrt | i've managed to get u-boot going on it and also have some patches against the kernel to make that work | 20:51 |
| ericb2 | ogra: starting which proc ? | 20:51 |
| ericb2 | ogra: for omap3 one told me it was not really. But maybe more recent is safe | 20:52 |
| ogra | angstrom is fully built in hardfloat mode afaik | 20:52 |
| ogra | since quite a while | 20:52 |
| ericb2 | ogra: interesting | 20:52 |
| markos_ | ericb2, it depends on what you mean by reliable, usually packages just work, but there are a few who need special attention :) | 20:55 |
| markos_ | these are just a few though | 20:55 |
| markos_ | debian has reached 87% and we're hoping we can reach 95% soon | 20:56 |
| ericb2 | markos_: what can bring hardfloat exactly ? | 20:56 |
| markos_ | er, a hardfloat abi? | 20:56 |
| ericb2 | markos_: yes, I know, but in the real life: is it that faster ? | 20:57 |
| * desrt thought that the change to eabi brought hardfloat with it | 20:57 | |
| ericb2 | markos_: just a question, because I didn't test yet | 20:57 |
| markos_ | it depends on what apps you depend on | 20:57 |
| markos_ | most apps benefit 5-30% depending on their use of fp | 20:57 |
| markos_ | some don't benefit at all, while apps heavy on fp might be 200% faster (like a raytracer, like pov, yes it was actually 200% faster) | 20:58 |
| ericb2 | markos_: the one I have in mind is OOo4Kids (an OOo fork) | 20:58 |
| ericb2 | markos_: I'm working on performances issues, and am interested by everything who cold help in this domain | 20:59 |
| markos_ | no idea how much better -if at all- OOo would be, though from my experience, anything that renders fonts is faster, ~20-25% | 21:00 |
| markos_ | but ymmv with OOo | 21:00 |
| ericb2 | markos_: so it is interesting | 21:01 |
| markos_ | yes it is, that's what I've been trying to tell people all along :) | 21:01 |
| ericb2 | markos_: do yo have a link, where I could read the flags being used, the cases .. and so on ? | 21:03 |
| ogra | you need the whole distro being built for hardfloat | 21:04 |
| ogra | the binaries wont run on a softfloat distro | 21:04 |
| markos_ | ericb2, working on getting armhf d-i these days | 21:04 |
| ericb2 | ogra: isn't there a flag allowing both ? | 21:04 |
| ericb2 | markos_: great :) | 21:05 |
| markos_ | ogra, well he coud use a chroot | 21:05 |
| ogra | they are binary incompatible | 21:05 |
| ogra | yeah. you could use a chroot | 21:05 |
| ogra | or a vm | 21:05 |
| ericb2 | markos_: I'm not a specialist (arm is a jungle), but extremely curious and interested | 21:05 |
| ogra | both would work | 21:05 |
| markos_ | ericb2, give me a few weeks, I've commited some armhf stuff to d-i, but there remain a few irritating points still to fix | 21:06 |
| markos_ | anyway gotta go, have to tell a bedtime story :) | 21:06 |
| ericb2 | markos_: I will. thanks :) | 21:06 |
| ogra | ubuntu will have it with the next release | 21:06 |
| ericb2 | markos_: see you later | 21:06 |
| ogra | and slowly migrating 100% to it | 21:06 |
| ericb2 | ogra: in fact, I'd like to provide an adapted version of OOo4Kids (or OOoLight) for Ubuntu users | 21:07 |
| ogra | so watch this place ;) | 21:07 |
| ericb2 | ogra: so I'll add what is mandatory, and stick your needs | 21:07 |
| ogra | if you could get it running with debian hf, you will also get it running in trhe upcoming ubuntu port | 21:08 |
| ericb2 | ogra: currently, I got OOo4Kids building and working on natty | 21:08 |
| ericb2 | ogra: but I used soft fp | 21:08 |
| ogra | right, thats fine for natty | 21:09 |
| ericb2 | ogra: ok | 21:09 |
| ogra | n+1 will have both | 21:09 |
| ogra | soft and hard | 21:09 |
| ericb2 | ogra: the only thing I'll need is a new micro SD card: and I'll install any experimental version on it | 21:09 |
| Sweetshark | ericb2: ping? | 21:52 |
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