[00:25] <iggi> Anyone here good with libvirt (#virt on OFTC is dead) I am having some issues that seem to be permissions based, but cant figure out where I went wrong
[00:31] <mcloy> i was in a veiw that macbooks would be better in battery time... but i dont know if they can run windows standalone?
[00:31] <Pici> mcloy: What does that have to do with this channel?
[00:32] <mcloy> users
[00:35] <airtonix> and  ?
[00:35] <airtonix> i'm sorry did i just walk into #apple-server ?
[00:36] <mcloy> #apple
[00:48] <lifeless> iggi: folk generally won't own up to knowing stuff
[00:48] <lifeless> iggi: rather than asking if someone knows, ask the actual question
[00:49] <twb> !ask
[00:49] <twb> !anybody
[00:50] <twb> Most of what I say is already in the bot :-P
[00:55] <lenios> !details
[00:57] <MadHaTTer_000> whos asking what?
[00:57] <extra11> what is the file handle default set at? I want to run a server that can handle more than 10k connects and I heard the limit needs to be increase
[00:57] <extra11> and set accordingly
[01:42] <iggi> OK, I will ask the question: I have an iscsi storage server, which I mounted by means of fstab to /VM. I changed the default storage pool config to have /VM as my location for all my disk images, but when I try to do virsh pool-start default it gives me permission denied. This happens even when libvirt-qemu:kvm as the owner and 777 permissions, I don't get it. I tried setting the default
[01:42] <iggi> location back to /var/lib/libvirt/images and it started without a problem. I further tested a symlink from /var/lib/libvirt/images to /VM (with 777 permissions set) and no dice. Also, as a note I am able to boot and run images located in /VM by means of searching for the image locally in virt-manager.
[01:45] <nertil> i have 2 websites in my ubuntu runing with apache
[01:45] <nertil> is there a way to monitor them
[01:45] <nertil> ?
[01:46] <twb> nertil: yes.
[01:46] <folklore> nertil your best bet(if I understand you correctly)
[01:46] <folklore> is use php,python etc...
[01:46] <folklore> plenty of scripts out there
[01:47] <folklore> that show stats or whatever you need
[01:48] <nertil> okey
[01:48] <folklore> nertil if you give more details maybe someone else will have an answer
[01:49] <nertil> well i like something that monitor my two websites, so two in one if u understand
[01:50] <nertil> to access them easy with one click or whatever
[01:50] <nertil> the point is i dont want everytime i sit on my pc
[01:50] <nertil> to write the address to access them
[01:51] <nertil> i want something that will access easy and know everything about them
[01:51] <nertil> monitoring at all
[01:51] <nertil> every kind of help will be apreciated
[01:51] <folklore> nertil directadmin maybe
[01:52] <folklore> or cpanel should do everything you want
[01:52] <nertil> let me read about them
[01:52] <folklore> the latter is much more popular but costs $$
[01:52] <folklore> the former I think is free
[01:52] <nertil> directadmin is free?
[01:53] <twb> cpanel is more for holistic administration than simple availability or performance monitoring.
[01:53] <folklore> nertil think so, check out their site, www.directadmin.com I think
[01:53] <nertil> no they are with money
[01:54] <nertil> i use phpmyadmin
[01:54] <nertil> but that is for databases
[01:57] <hallyn> ok i'm getting cranky.  I keep getting 'max connection rate 2/60s' msgs from anvil/postfix, even though I set smtpd_client_message_rate_limit = 100 in main.cf.
[01:57] <hallyn> how else am i supposed to get rid of the connection rate?
[01:57] <hallyn> limit
[01:59] <nertil> folklore
[01:59] <nertil> 2 with money:)
[02:00] <folklore> I guess directadmin removed their free version
[02:00] <nertil> http://www.directadmin.com/pricing.html
[02:01] <nertil> so any free one?
[02:02] <twb> hallyn: dunno; try #postfix
[02:02] <hallyn> doh
[02:02] <hallyn> i think, maybe, it's telling me the statistical max, not the limit enforced :)
[02:02] <hallyn> twb: good thought, thanks
[02:02] <twb> NP
[02:03] <hallyn> i coudln't tell if there's just a rare quiet spell on lkml, or if i'm having troubles
[02:03] <MadHaTTer_000> anyone care to help me get unbanned from a server?
[02:04] <MadHaTTer_000> or is that to off topic?
[02:04] <folklore> Mad what kinda server
[02:06] <MadHaTTer_000> irc
[02:06] <MadHaTTer_000> i never been on it before and im already banned...???
[02:07] <MadHaTTer_000> it says i match a spammer pattern
[02:07] <twb> MadHaTTer_000: try #freenode
[02:07] <twb> MadHaTTer_000: or wherever that channel's topic directs you.
[02:08] <MadHaTTer_000> no its not a room its a server
[02:09] <folklore> MadHatter they probably use efnets ban list or whatever, wish servers would stop doing that, nothing against efnet operators but they're not the type of people you trust with that kinda thing
[02:09] <folklore> MadHatter all you can do is email someone from the network
[02:09] <folklore> if you know the banlist you're on its possible you can manually remove yourself on the the site
[02:10] <twb> Not spamming usually helps, too :P
[02:10] <MadHaTTer_000> :P
[02:11] <MadHaTTer_000> i dont spam as i said i never been to the server b4
[02:11] <folklore> Mad does the kline message give a link?
[02:11] <folklore> or an email address
[02:13] <MadHaTTer_000> kline@axenet.org yes but with the kline emails on other servers it seems like their never checked
[03:00] <nertil> how to fix this message
[03:00] <nertil> apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 192.168.2.111 for ServerName
[03:01] <membrex> does anyone can help me to reamstering ubuntu server 10.04 with GUI inside
[03:02] <patdk-lap> what is a reamstering
[03:02] <patdk-lap> and if you want gui, install desktop instead
[03:02] <patdk-lap> nertil, fix your hosts file, or dns
[03:02] <patdk-lap> but in almost all cases, you can just ignore it
[03:03] <membrex> i mean remastering
[03:04] <membrex> because i want to reamstering ubuntu server 10.04 GUI inside with minimal application
[03:05] <nertil> !webmin
[03:05] <nertil> !ebox
[03:06] <gratidude> nertil: Ensure your FQDN is specified in your /etc/hosts file, e.g. "x.x.x.x hostname.abc.com hostname"
[03:08] <nertil> ok
[03:15] <twb> patdk-lap: I think he wants to roll a new ISO that contains GUI packages in the pool, and a preseed to install them by default.
[03:16] <twb> I don't know *why* he'd want that, because you can just provide a separate preseed file, and pull down additional packages from the network.
[03:16] <twb> Maybe he's shipping the ISO to people who don't have internet
[03:16] <patdk-lap> ya, no idea what he wants :(
[03:16]  * patdk-lap wonders exactly how you get a minimal gui though
[03:16] <SpamapS> isn't that what live helper does?
[03:16] <twb> membrex: investigate "jigdo", which is a tool to create install CDs.
[03:17] <twb> SpamapS: that generates live CDs.  I assume he wants an install CD.
[03:17] <twb> SpamapS: and it's called "live-build" now :-P
[03:17] <membrex> soryy im newbie
[03:17] <SpamapS> right
[03:17] <membrex> but i have job to remastering ubuntu with minimal package incisde
[03:17] <twb> SpamapS: last time I looked live-build wasn't tested on Ubuntu; do you have experience to the contrary?
[03:17] <membrex> inside
[03:18] <membrex> pckage that i want to include on new remastering distro is LAMP,firrefox, a lot off cms
[03:18] <twb> membrex: why?
[03:19] <SpamapS> twb: yes I have seen live-build used to great success just 2 days ago..
[03:19] <twb> SpamapS: OK, cool.
[03:19] <twb> SpamapS: oh, I bet it uses casper for ubuntu
[03:19] <SpamapS> twb: kirkland built a maverick live cd that runs a nice little eucalyptus demo
[03:20] <SpamapS> yes it uses casper
[03:20] <membrex> because the finnaly result will be delivery for education purpose that dont have any internet connection (to be intranet school server )
[03:20] <twb> Probably what I'm remembering is live-boot and live-config not working so well on Ubuntu
[03:22] <SpamapS> dunno
[03:22] <SpamapS> casper, last I checked, had a mountain of unfixed bugs
[03:23] <twb> I don't think anyone is working on casper
[03:23] <twb> Certainly live-boot kicks its ass on Debian
[03:28]  * SpamapS does a little dance
[03:28] <SpamapS> I finally got "disable touchpad while typing" working!!!
[03:29]  * SpamapS has been fighting that for 6 months. :-/
[03:29] <twb> SpamapS: synclient?
[03:29] <twb> syndaemon -Rd
[03:29] <twb> ...DTRT for me
[03:30] <SpamapS> the issue was that I was using multitouch drivers
[03:30] <SpamapS> which wouldn't listen to syndaemon
[03:30] <twb> Ugh
[03:30] <SpamapS> Apparently they do in the newest versions..
[03:30] <twb> Are these in non-free or something?
[03:30] <twb> I haven't seen em
[03:30] <SpamapS> but I'm holding off upgrading any further in natty until I get back home.. I don't dare upgrade X while on the road. ;)
[03:31] <SpamapS> no they've been in xorg for a long time
[03:31] <SpamapS> since early maverick cycle
[03:31] <twb> I hear you, man.  I'm still avoiding upgrading eeepc-acpi-scripts to the new acpi-scripts-based one
[03:31] <twb> Oh, yeah, xserver-xorg-input-multitouch <none> 1.0~rc2-2
[03:32] <twb> First added in November last year.
[03:34] <SpamapS> yeah.. some things are kind of cool.. but not worth not being able to type without wanting to kill somebody when you click send with a message content of 'r'
[03:35] <twb> The easiest fix would be to not use X except for banking
[03:35] <twb> That way the touchpad is automatically disabled
[03:35] <SpamapS> :)
[03:36] <twb> (Unfortunately my stupid CU's online doodad doesn't work with edbrowse :-/ )
[03:36] <SpamapS> I've oft considered going back to mutt + elinks ;)
[03:37] <SpamapS> but.. these sliding windows are just so pretty
[03:38] <MadHaTTer_000> whats tyhe command to change the dns servers im currently running off?
[03:39] <jmarsden> MadHaTTer_000: edit the file /etc/resolv.conf as desired
[03:40] <MadHaTTer_000> thanks agai9n
[03:40] <jmarsden> MadHaTTer_000: You're welcome.
[03:48] <MadHaTTer_000> hey that didnt work still dialing the wrong dns
[04:07] <jmarsden> MadHaTTer_000: dialling?  running off != dialling ...
[04:07] <jmarsden> You don't "dial" a DNS server, normally :)
[04:08] <twb> jmarsden: it might be running radius and pppd as well :P
[04:09] <jmarsden> twb: It might be runnig mgetty-voice, too :)
[04:09] <twb> Ooh
[04:10] <jmarsden> MadHaTTer_000: pastebin /etc/resolv.conf somewhere we can see it, please.
[04:11] <twb> apt-file finds nothing called "mgetty-voice" on my system...
[04:12] <folklore> hows ubuntu server compare to freebsd
[04:12] <folklore> any tried multiple, can give any insight
[04:14] <jmarsden> folklore: They both work well.  Use the one you know better.  This channel is for Ubuntu server support.
[04:14] <folklore> jmarsden do I need to change anything in ubuntu server righout the box to allow more than 10k connections?
[04:15] <folklore> i'm not a huge linux person
[04:15] <jmarsden> Then use BSD :)
[04:15] <twb> folklore: 10k connections of what?
[04:16] <folklore> twb concurrent, I wanna run some server software I wrote and it handle 10k if it needs too
[04:16] <iggi> I can't imagine a connection limit at 10k, but I could be wrong
[04:16] <folklore> I heard there was an artifical limit in terms of file handles or something that might block that
[04:16] <SpamapS> c10k is old school... now its c1k, w/ 10 nodes in the cloud. ;)
[04:16] <SpamapS> no
[04:16] <SpamapS> there is no artificial limit
[04:17] <SpamapS> linux's epoll in many ways has surpassed freebsd's kqueue .. the old stories you hear about linux concurrency issues were mostly just that.. stories.
[04:17] <folklore> alrighty, i'll try and stress test it to see if I can get there, so thanks
[04:17] <folklore> yeah my software uses epoll
[04:17] <folklore> and glib thread poolin
[04:18] <SpamapS> folklore: have seen a linux box w/ apache worker doing proxy for about 15,000 clients at once..
[04:18] <folklore> doesnt apache spawn forks or something though?
[04:18] <SpamapS> folklore: this isn't that hard to test though. :)
[04:18] <SpamapS> no
[04:19] <folklore> guess another story I read
[04:19] <SpamapS> apache prefork does
[04:19] <folklore> lol
[04:19] <SpamapS> apache worker spawns processes that spawn threads
[04:19] <folklore> oh
[04:19] <SpamapS> and apache event spans only threads
[04:19] <SpamapS> spawns
[04:20] <SpamapS> still, apache isn't known for massive scale when compared to some other daemons.. but 15k conns w/ minimal tuning is possible
[04:20] <folklore> I wanna scale it to the max
[04:20] <folklore> hope ubuntu server can do that for me
[04:21] <SpamapS> fire up amazon aws.. pay about $5 and you can test the crap out of linux w/o any hardware. :)
[04:21] <SpamapS> or use rackspace cloud and pay $4 for the same thing ;)
[04:49] <MadHaTTer_000> @spamaps doesnt tornado offer the same thing ur paying money for for free?
[05:03] <iggi> When I try to start the storage pool with virsh pool-start I get permission deined, even with chmod 777 on the pool
[05:07] <twb> And prefork is only necessary if you're daft enough to run PHP
[05:08] <twb> iggi: is your user in the appropriate group?
[05:09] <JanC> well, prefork has other advantages too  ;)
[05:09] <twb> JanC: you mean like heating a room?
[05:12] <JanC> on linux processes don't have that much overhead over threads, but offer a lot more separation
[05:13] <MadHaTTer_000> iggi did u try chmod +x?
[05:13] <twb> Hum
[05:13] <MadHaTTer_000> and did u run chmod as root?
[05:14] <twb> The fill up my precious process table, though
[05:14] <MadHaTTer_000> ha
[05:15] <MadHaTTer_000> my prescious
[05:16] <twb> It's already huuuuge
[05:16] <twb> http://paste.debian.net/109092/
[05:17] <twb> Incidentally, anybody know how to suppress those kernel threads from top(1) listings?
[05:17] <JanC> twb: both processes & threads are kernel tasks...  ;)
[05:17] <JanC> are tasks in the kernel, I mean
[05:18] <twb> JanC: yeah, but I mean I want to list only userspace procs, i.e. suppress that [jdb-213:8] stuff
[05:19] <JanC> twb: in htop it's 'K'
[05:19] <twb> Bah
[05:19] <twb> I'm not a fan of htop, apart from it being able to show the tree (i.e. like ps f)
[05:20] <JanC> I like it because it has built-in configuration & help if I forgot a key etc.  ;-)
[05:21] <twb> JanC: so does top
[05:21] <twb> Well, busybox top doesn't.
[05:21] <twb> Coreutils top, or whatever Debian gives, does
[05:21] <JanC> built-in help maybe, but not configuration AFAIK?
[05:22] <twb> Well, top writes .toprc for you...
[05:22] <twb> If you tell it to
[05:22] <JanC> I mean like configuring what columns you want to see etc.
[05:22] <twb> Yep
[05:23] <twb> f, o, W
[05:23] <twb> f toggles fields, o reorders them, W writes .toprc
[05:27] <JanC> twb seems to have more features for that still, and top has no way to search for a process?
[05:28] <twb> Define "search"
[05:30] <JanC> find a process based on program name, e.g. to kill it or renice it?
[05:30] <twb> Dunno
[05:30] <twb> I normally just use < and > to change the sort column
[05:30] <twb> To find pids I use pkill and pgrep
[05:30] <twb> e.g. pkill -USR1 dd
[05:32] <JanC> there are several ways to do things, I guess, and everybody uses what he/she prefers  ☺
[05:32] <twb> They should use what *I* prefer, duh
[05:32] <twb> :-)
[05:46] <MadHaTTer_000> this is annoying the heck out of me!!!!!!!!!
[05:54] <folklore> breath friend
[05:54] <twb> I ain't your breath friend.
[05:55] <twb> I ain't any kind o' friend.
[05:55] <folklore> sorry to hear that
[05:55] <MadHaTTer_000> how do i disable Pid in pppd in wvdial?
[05:57] <MadHaTTer_000> and how do i change the dns addresses used by wvdial?
[05:58] <twb> MadHaTTer_000: this is for PPPoE, 56k modem, or what?
[05:58] <MadHaTTer_000> my deamon keeps dying :(
[05:59] <MadHaTTer_000> this is for a usb modem using ppp over a double dialup cellular band
[06:03] <MadHaTTer_000> i remember some  crappy gui was where i edityed the dns addresses before kind of reminded me of the old win 3.1 or a manufactor gui but i dont remember how to get there
[06:04] <MadHaTTer_000> i think it was a gkk or gkksudo that opened it before
[06:05] <MadHaTTer_000> actually it was the gui that comes up when originally installing ubuntu server
[06:05] <MadHaTTer_000> aNYONE KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT?
[06:06] <MadHaTTer_000> i know for sure thats where i need to go to edit the dns addresses but i dont remember how to get there
[06:48] <MadHaTTer_000> hey whats the command i need to enter to kill the pid in wvdial.conf?
[07:19] <MadHaTTer_000> hey just looking for something simple how do i get a serial device to tell me its mac?
[07:28] <iggi> MadHaTTer_000: I will try that, but I had done chmod 777 to the dir so it had everything to everyone (for testing only of course).
[07:29] <iggi> twb: I made the owner of the DIR the user libvirt was running as
[07:29] <iggi> .
[07:29] <twb> iggi: that's not what I asked.
[07:30] <MadHaTTer_000> hey does anyone know how to get the mac of a serial dev in terminal?
[07:52] <MadHaTTer_000> anyone around?
[08:16] <tap-out> i get this error when i ping from windows 7 to my vm ubunut server
[08:17] <tap-out> destination host unreachable
[08:17] <tap-out> any suggestion or idea !!!
[08:18] <MadHaTTer_000> Carrier detected.  Starting PPP immediately.
[08:18] <MadHaTTer_000> --> Starting pppd at Sun Feb 27 23:17:30 2011
[08:18] <MadHaTTer_000> --> Pid of pppd: 5369
[08:18] <MadHaTTer_000> --> Disconnecting at Sun Feb 27 23:17:31 2011
[08:18] <MadHaTTer_000> --> The PPP daemon has died: pppd options error (exit code = 2)
[08:18] <MadHaTTer_000> --> man pppd explains pppd error codes in more detail.
[08:18] <MadHaTTer_000> --> I guess that's it for now, exiting
[08:18] <MadHaTTer_000> --> The PPP daemon has died. (exit code = 2)
[08:18] <jussi> MadHaTTer_000: please use a pastebin :)
[08:19] <MadHaTTer_000> sorry jussi
[08:20] <tap-out> destination host unreachable   any thing about this error
[08:20] <MadHaTTer_000> bad host ip or disconnected cord
[08:21] <tap-out> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   guys wake up  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[08:21] <MadHaTTer_000> im awake tap
[08:21] <tap-out> any sugg
[08:22] <tap-out> i am using vmware
[08:22] <MadHaTTer_000> check ur cords and then check your host ip
[08:23] <Datz> tap-out: net working from VM?
[08:23] <MadHaTTer_000> and ur route
[08:23] <tap-out> madhatter_000, ,datz,no any network just my laptop  with win 7 and vmware with ubuntu server 10.0.4 installed
[08:23] <MadHaTTer_000> ohh i feel like spewing
[08:24] <Datz> lol
[08:24] <tap-out> if i use dhcp the ping from my host to the vm work ,but when i use static ip not work
[08:24] <Datz> tap-out: get you get internet from within ubuntu server VM?
[08:24] <Datz> can you*
[08:25] <tap-out> yes
[08:25] <MadHaTTer_000> yes
[08:25] <tap-out> i can ping from the server google
[08:26] <Datz> how do you have networking set up? NAT, or bridged?
[08:26] <Datz> I guess this is probably a VMware issue
[08:26] <tap-out> NAt
[08:26] <Datz> If you can, try to set up as bridged.. that's what I use without problems
[08:27] <Datz> then restart VM I guess
[08:27] <tap-out> datz, ok i try that , thanks
[08:30] <MadHaTTer_000> my problem is as stated above does anyone know how to fix?
[08:31] <MadHaTTer_000> actually nevermind i think i found it
[08:32] <MadHaTTer_000> amazingly in english
[08:39] <MadHaTTer_000> jeeze didnt work ;(
[08:40] <MadHaTTer_000> what is it with pppd it just doesnt work for crap no matter what i try
[08:44] <MadHaTTer_000> can anyone hel;p me with my pppd problem as previously specified?
[08:45] <MadHaTTer_000> preferably without referring me to a forum that was just searched and ive probally already been to
[08:55] <MadHaTTer_000> please someone help me with this http://pastebin.com/i2XHvN3Q
[09:03] <MadHaTTer_000> i think the corn flakes have made me sick :(
[09:33] <huats> morning
[09:35] <MadHaTTer_000> night
[09:36] <MadHaTTer_000> i just discovered peanut butter, corn flakes and rasins dont go very well togather
[09:36] <MadHaTTer_000> who woulda thought
[09:38] <folklore> mad ofcourse they do
[09:38] <twb> MadHaTTer_000: you need to blend them first
[09:39] <MadHaTTer_000> well they taste good togather but their making me wanna puke ive eaten alot
[09:39] <twb> MadHaTTer_000: "--> Cannot get information for serial port." you need to tell it to use ttyUSB0 or whatever
[09:39] <MadHaTTer_000> i did
[09:39] <MadHaTTer_000> Modem = /dev/ttyUSB0
[09:40] <MadHaTTer_000> in wvdial.conf
[09:41] <MadHaTTer_000> heres what my wvdial.conf looks like http://pastebin.com/iMx4Z9UC
[09:44] <MadHaTTer_000> any more ideas twb?
[09:45] <twb> Nope, I only use pppd for PPPoA, PPPoE and (ugh!) pptp.
[09:45] <twb> You would be looking in /etc/ppp/peers/<provider name>
[09:45] <twb> I don't know anything about wvdial; I think it's just a wrapper that sets up /etc/ppp/ for you
[09:46] <MadHaTTer_000> yeah i hear that alot no one uses wvdial for ages but unfortunetly im stuck with this inet connection
[09:46] <twb> You can always just write /etc/ppp stuff yourself, by hand
[09:46] <twb> The main hurdle is taht it's not very well documented
[09:47] <MadHaTTer_000> yeah i already wrote resolv.conf what else?
[09:52] <MadHaTTer_000> i mean i already made a link to the passwordfd.so in lib which was suppiosed to fix this problem but it didnt
[09:52] <twb> Uh... resolv.conf isn't going to do anything unless you can actually raise a ppp0 interface.
[09:52] <twb> I have no idea what you think "passwordfd.so" is supposed to do
[09:53] <MadHaTTer_000> yeah i know but i finally got it to take the correct dns addresses
[09:53] <twb> You should be reading the documentation in /usr/share/doc/pppd/
[09:53] <twb> If your dialup provider does the right thing, resolv.conf will be rewritten automatically.
[09:54] <MadHaTTer_000> this is y i made the link
[09:54] <MadHaTTer_000> http://www.betavine.net/bvportal/resources/datacards/help
[09:54] <MadHaTTer_000> closest thing i could find to a solution
[09:56] <MadHaTTer_000> hmm
[09:57] <MadHaTTer_000> this is what /var/log/messages says
[09:57] <MadHaTTer_000> kernel: [11996.958601] npviewer.bin[6117]: segfault at 418 ip 00000000f60c7d16 sp 00000000ffcd1838 error 6 in libflashplayer.so[f5e5a000+b5f000]
[09:57] <twb> 20:53 <twb> You should be reading the documentation in /usr/share/doc/pppd/
[09:57] <twb> MadHaTTer_000: that log is saying that flash crashed, it's not related to pppd.
[09:58] <MadHaTTer_000> ill take a look and see if ive already read it or not
[09:58] <twb> MadHaTTer_000: you should be reading system documentation BEFORE resorting to "random blog I found"
[10:00] <MadHaTTer_000> yeah that system doc ur talking about doesnt exist on my sys
[10:01] <MadHaTTer_000> it goes from pppconfig to pppoeconf
[10:01] <MadHaTTer_000> no pppd
[10:02] <laen> Some quality Ubuntu support right here! ;)
[10:02] <MadHaTTer_000> ?
[10:03] <twb> MadHaTTer_000: then your system is buggered, because /usr/share/doc/ppp/ is full of documentation, provided by the ppp package, upon which pppoeconf depends.
[10:04] <MadHaTTer_000> ha b4 u said /pppd/
[10:04] <MadHaTTer_000> not ppp
[10:04] <twb> MadHaTTer_000: sorry, typo
[10:05] <MadHaTTer_000> so what should i be reading in here?
[10:05] <twb> Probably start with README.Debian.gz if there is one
[10:25] <MadHaTTer_000> k i read it didnt help at all though
[10:39] <MadHaTTer_000> looks like the ps aux command might come in handy later
[10:39] <laen> That is a strange thing to say.
[10:39] <MadHaTTer_000> how so?
[10:40] <laen> As if ps is a special command to solve your problem :)
[10:41] <MadHaTTer_000> no haha but it will help with my problem which has to do with the pid
[10:41] <laen> Or to use it with another tool, "That ls command might come in handy".
[10:41] <laen> :)
[10:43] <MadHaTTer_000> of courase i dont take that command as a solution just helpful for the info i will be needing later like dmesg or lshw would be for a dif problem
[10:54] <kwork> hello, is there any good reason why not to instal postgres-8.3 from karmic to lucid?
[10:54] <ikonia> kwork: yes, mixing repos breaks dependencies
[10:55] <kwork> even if i setup the preferences file correctly?
[10:55] <kwork> and assign low priority to karmic packages
[10:55] <ikonia> kwork: your call, I wouldn't though
[10:55] <kwork> what would be the "correct" way to install old-software to lucid then?
[10:56] <ikonia> not to do it is the real way
[10:56] <kwork> thats not an option at the moment
[10:56] <ikonia> personally if you need an old package I'd have it built against the current dependencies of your distro
[10:56] <ikonia> eg: say it uses libc v 1 in karmic, I'd have it built against libc v2 in lucid
[10:56] <ikonia> but the same base version from karmic
[10:57] <laen> lol
[10:58] <laen> Sshd, ew! Remove it!
[11:00] <jpds> All the cool kids use telnet.
[11:01] <kwork> ikonia,  okey thanks for your input
[11:04] <ikonia> kwork: sorry it's not a "just do it" thing, but that's my opinion
[11:05] <MadHaTTer_000> hey ikonia ive been waiting for you
[11:06] <MadHaTTer_000> any chance your willing to unbann me from #ubuntu?
[11:09] <jpds> MadHaTTer_000: #ubuntu-ops.
[11:17] <aliverius> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Drupal says there is drupal 7 but i cant find it in the repos
[11:25]  * TheInfinity would not install drupal via apt-get
[11:28] <aliverius> just copy the drupal files right?
[11:28] <aliverius> i am new to drupal and web stuff
[12:16] <zul> morning
[12:17] <azizLIGHTS> how do i run php files on the lighttpd
[13:08] <Aison> hello :)
[13:09] <Aison> I search a movie web database software (eg. that synchronize with imdb or so)
[13:09] <Aison> on my ubuntu server i've got over 1500 divx movies :P and maybe it would be funny to have got such kind of software
[13:54] <zul_> jamespage: done
[13:55] <jamespage> zul: thanks :-)
[13:56] <zul> np
[13:57] <zul> back to your regularily scheduled program
[13:59] <jdstrand> ScottK: are you aware of another botched clamav db?
[14:04] <guampa> is it ok to just discard all "bad header" mails with amavis?
[14:04] <guampa> i'm getting rid of some nasty spams with that but i wonder if some legit mail will get discarded too
[14:05] <MadHaTTer_000> i usually just make a few filters for certain words like special offer million billion nigeria and a few others
[14:07] <guampa> hmm, that'd be good
[14:07] <guampa> and i plug those filters to amavis?
[14:08] <guampa> nm ill search for howtos
[14:09] <guampa> anyway, the possibility to discard legit mail b/c bad headers persist right?
[14:09] <guampa> that is what i want to find out
[14:13] <pmatulis> guampa: i reject mail in that way but i've never had a false positive (4 yrs now)
[14:13] <guampa> thats just great
[14:13] <pmatulis> guampa: (i have a warning sent to my inbox still however; more out of interest)
[14:13] <guampa> i'll leave that in place then
[14:15] <Aison> i've got two amd64 x6 machines. I would play a littlebit with multicomputer multicore systems. Can I somehow make a master/slave system with this two machines, where I've got 2cpus with 6cores that look like one machine?
[14:15] <Aison> connected over LAN
[14:15] <jdstrand> ScottK: fyi, that would be a yes. 12790 fixes it
[14:16] <guampa> Aison: perhaps with openSSI you could
[14:16] <guampa> haven't used it yet, though
[14:16] <Aison> well, I will take a look at it
[14:18] <pmatulis> Aison: you want to run a single job across both your systems?
[14:31] <Aison> pmatulis, yes
[14:32] <Aison> pmatulis, the jobs are memory and cpu intensiv. but memory accesses between two threads are quite low. so memory localitiy is not a big problem
[14:46] <pmatulis> Aison: this is often called a beowulf cluster, search for that
[15:07] <RoAkSoAx> zul: howdy!! are you busy? can you sponsor bug #648202 ? :)
[15:07] <zul> RoAkSoAx: sure gimme a few
[15:07] <RoAkSoAx> zul: cool thank you!
[15:08] <RoAkSoAx> I'm also preparing SRU's
[15:08] <RoAkSoAx> but will bother you with that later today
[15:10] <seicherlbob> hi there! I have set up a svn server on ubuntu lucid. I grant svn+ssh access to a changerooted environment. The user can log on and use local svn list, but not remotely. It seems the user is not authenticated when using svn+ssh.
[16:06] <ScottK> jdstrand: I hadn't been.
[16:13] <zul> RoAkSoAx: done
[16:16] <RoAkSoAx> zul: thanks!!
[16:18] <RoAkSoAx> q!
[16:18] <RoAkSoAx> arrgh
[16:18] <hallyn> you need better window focus mgt  :)
[16:25] <RoAkSoAx> hallyn: indeed :P
[17:11] <RoAkSoAx> zul: could you please take a look at bug #648202 again? I just uploaded 2 debdiffs for lucid and maverick SRU's that need sponsoring :)
[17:12] <zul> RoAkSoAx:yep right after lunch
[17:13] <RoAkSoAx> zul: cool thanks ;)
[17:18] <azizLIGHTS> does ubuntu server automatically update packages?
[17:24] <patdk-wk> azizLIGHTS, only if you tell it to
[17:25] <azizLIGHTS> because i notice it used to say 9 packages can be updated or something like that onlogin
[17:25] <azizLIGHTS> now it doesnt say it anymore
[17:25] <azizLIGHTS> how come
[17:31] <patdk-wk> that isn't autoupdate
[17:31] <patdk-wk> must be the nightly cron is failing that does apt-get update, or the login status printer doesn't work (or load is too high so it doesn't run)
[17:32] <patdk-wk> none of mine print that info though, but I always install minimal
[17:36] <patdk-wk> looks like you have to have landscape installed to get that info
[17:38] <g0bl1n> What is the best way to be sure a document is printed and got no errors ?
[17:39] <g0bl1n> our app needs to print 20.000 documents and if any is not printed, we have a problem (invoices)
[17:41] <patdk-wk> compare the printed document to the origional?
[17:42] <g0bl1n> I want the printing service to report upon error
[17:42] <g0bl1n> where should I head? CUPS ?
[17:43] <azizLIGHTS> patdk-wk: whats wrong with my systrem then? hows to fix it
[17:44] <patdk-wk> azizLIGHTS, I dunno, and doesn't mean anything is wrong, I just listed like 5 different possibilities
[17:45] <azizLIGHTS> how can nightly apt-get update fail? it knows i havent installed 9 packages uptodate, how can it "forget" even if next update failed
[17:45] <azizLIGHTS> my load is not high at all
[17:45] <azizLIGHTS> i used ec2 image  from aazon
[17:45] <azizLIGHTS> *amazon
[17:45] <patdk-wk> launchpad is installed and working?
[17:46] <azizLIGHTS> ami-3e02f257
[17:46] <azizLIGHTS> what is launchpad
[17:46] <patdk-wk> what gives you that message your *missing*
[17:46] <azizLIGHTS> how to check?
[17:47] <patdk-wk> dunno, never used launchpad
[17:47] <azizLIGHTS> $ dpkg -l launchpad
[17:47] <azizLIGHTS> No packages found matching launchpad.
[17:48] <azizLIGHTS> $ dpkg -l | grep "launchpad"
[17:48] <azizLIGHTS> ii  python-launchpadlib               1.6.0-0ubuntu1                    Launchpad web services client library
[17:48] <azizLIGHTS> hmm
[17:48] <patdk-wk> landscape :)
[17:48] <laen> Ewww.
[17:48] <patdk-wk> it's landscape not launchpad
[17:48] <azizLIGHTS> oh
[17:48] <patdk-wk> I said that way above but oyu ignored it, then I confused myself
[17:48] <laen> Landscape, so you can see what the weather is at the datacenter every login.
[17:49] <azizLIGHTS> yes i see it
[17:49] <azizLIGHTS> two packages: landscape-client and landscape-common
[17:49] <laen> Have never seen anything that annoying and useless.
[17:49] <patdk-wk> laen, only if the server at the datacenter knows where it's located :)
[17:49] <azizLIGHTS> this came in the ami lol what to do
[17:49] <patdk-wk> laen, ya I don't use it, based on my build systems apt-get ugrade, and the security maillist, don't see the point\
[17:50] <laen> Such a bish to remove and fix it so the company MOTD is displayed correctly.
[17:50] <laen> Indeed.
[17:50] <azizLIGHTS> so basically landscape broke?
[17:50] <azizLIGHTS> for me
[17:50] <patdk-wk> that is easy, kill update-motd
[17:50] <laen> Remove it, you don't need landscape.
[17:50] <azizLIGHTS> patdk-wk: isthat command for me "kill update-motd"
[17:51] <patdk-wk> that isn't a command
[17:51] <azizLIGHTS> is it for me though?
[17:51] <azizLIGHTS> to do
[17:51] <azizLIGHTS> pseduo command
[17:52] <azizLIGHTS> that will fix lanscape?
[17:52] <Pici> !who
[17:52] <laen> apt-get install pseudo-command landscape-fixes
[17:53] <azizLIGHTS> laen: .... what?
[17:53] <RyanP> Does anyone have any experience creating LVM partitions using preseed and/or kickstart? I'm trying to build an automated server install and things aren't behaving as the documents seem to suggest they should.
[17:53] <patdk-wk> azizLIGHTS, most likely update-motd or landscape isn't working
[17:53] <azizLIGHTS> patdk-wk: i see
[17:54] <patdk-wk> landscape-sysinfo
[17:54] <laen> RyanP: wish i was at work, i could hand you the examples. Should be in the docs though.
[17:55] <azizLIGHTS> patdk-wk: landscape-sysinfo shows correctly on login, its the part about how many package updates there are that is missing/disappear
[17:55] <azizLIGHTS> maybe it is landscape-package-reporter, it is giving LOTS ERRORS
[17:56] <RyanP> laen: I have been through the documents. What I could find for preseed was rather sparse. Were you using kickstart or preseed to create the partitions?
[17:56] <laen> RyanP: preseed
[17:56] <patdk-wk> azizLIGHTS, it does here too
[17:57] <patdk-wk> but works
[17:57] <laen> RyanP: you could as well try the debian documentation on preseed/kickstart and auto-install.
[17:57] <patdk-wk> /usr/lib/update-notifier/update-motd-updates-available
[17:57] <patdk-wk> so it's update-notifier
[17:57] <patdk-wk> man, documention so annoying sometimes
[17:58] <laen> RyanP: i just have a terminal in front of me, no graphical environment so i can't even help you search right now.
[17:58] <pmatulis> laen: use a non-graphical browser
[17:58] <pmatulis> :D
[17:59] <laen> pmatulis: got it, but that's far from "quickly searching something" :)
[17:59] <azizLIGHTS> patdk-wk: ok well i see. as long as its not updating automatically im ok
[17:59] <RyanP> laen: Well, I'll try searching the Debian stuff. But, just to confirm you were able to use preseed to automatically create LVM partitions to your specifications?
[17:59] <laen> RyanP: believe so yes
[18:00] <RyanP> laen: Well that gives me some more hope. I was starting to wonder if this particular thing actually worked. Thanks.
[18:00] <laen> RyanP: we're migrating away from LVM lately though so i'd have to dig it up wednesday, i'll check up with you if you still want the info.
[18:01] <RyanP> laen: I'd be happy to see anything you wouldn't mind sharing..
[18:02] <laen> RyanP: d-i partman-lvm
[18:03] <RyanP> laen: Bah. googling "Debian preseed" comes up with a bunch of stuff I haven't seen. Yes, I was trying partman-lvm, but apparently not doing the right thing.
[18:03] <laen> Glad you found more info :)
[18:24] <dustg> If I just want to run walrus so that I can have a local S3 compatible interface for testing, is that possible? Or do I need to have the whole eucalyptus stack? Likewise, will have to create a storage cluster, or is it easy to just use a local folder to serve as storage space?
[18:33] <zul> hallyn: ping so lxcguest if you arent in a container it shouldnt do anything right?
[18:33] <zul> dustg: you might want to look at swift im not sure how s3 compatibly it is
[18:34] <hallyn> zul: correct
[18:34] <hallyn> it'll start up and check the boot arguments, and not find the lxc argument, so stop
[18:38] <dustg> I was looking at swift, but I had the impression it pretty much required a cluster
[18:39] <ranamalo> i'm trying to use yaml to setup puppet client instances in ec2 following this guide: http://ubuntumathiaz.wordpress.com/2010/03/24/using-puppet-in-uecec2-puppet-support-in-ubuntu-images/ it's not working.  Here is the yaml template: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/lucid/cloud-init/lucid/annotate/head%3A/doc/examples/cloud-config-puppet.txt.  When I paste that in the user-data field the instance boots up but doesn't con
[18:39] <ranamalo> tact the puppetmaster and I then can't get into it via ssh.  Any ideas?
[18:58] <azizLIGHTS> how do i restart lighttpd
[18:58] <azizLIGHTS> service command?
[18:58] <azizLIGHTS> what is it
[19:05] <lynxman> azizLIGHTS: service lightttpd restart
[19:06] <zul> RoAkSoAx: can you use bzr branches for the vsftpd SRU stuff
[19:07] <lynxman> kirkland ping
[19:07] <lynxman> hey zul o/
[19:07] <kirkland> lynxman: pong
[19:09] <zul> lynxman: hey
[19:09] <dustg> out of curiousity, what's the reason things have moved to using 'service servicename command' instead of '/etc/init.d/servicename command'
[19:09] <dustg> ?
[19:09] <RoAkSoAx> zul: sure
[19:10] <zul> dustg: its the same thing
[19:10] <lynxman> kirkland: just a question for you, is there any way we can control in which order a metapackage installs files?
[19:11] <kirkland> dustg: you can use either;  service is just nice in that it works with both upstart AND old fashion init scripts
[19:11] <lynxman> kirkland: I'm finding this issue with mcollective-server metapackage were mcollectived starts before rabbitmq is in place
[19:11] <kirkland> lynxman: no
[19:11] <kirkland> lynxman: you would need to move some stuff into a separate package
[19:11] <lynxman> so mcollective then feels silly about trying to connect to an mq server that is not there
[19:11] <lynxman> hmm I see
[19:11] <kirkland> lynxman: and then pre-depend on it (which is frowned upon, but can be done)
[19:11] <lynxman> kirkland: hmm I see
[19:12] <kirkland> lynxman: give me your desired order ...
[19:12] <lynxman> kirkland: rabbitmq -> mcollective
[19:12] <lynxman> otherwise mcollective will error
[19:13] <kirkland> lynxman: right, so mcollective would need to pre-depend on rabbitmq
[19:13] <kirkland> (which can happen)
[19:13] <lynxman> kirkland: hmm... not really, since we just need one rabbitmq for all mcollective daemons
[19:13] <kirkland> lynxman: honestly, this is what ensemble promises to solve ;-)
[19:13] <lynxman> kirkland: hehe
[19:14] <lynxman> kirkland: no need to sell me on that, I'm game :)
[19:15] <mklappstuhl> hey
[19:16] <mklappstuhl> can anyone point me to a guide that tells me how to setup ubuntu-server as a kvm guest? (not ubuntu as host)
[19:16] <patdk-wk> hmm, you just install it?
[19:16] <patdk-wk> the whole point of a kvm guest, is it's no different from a real computer
[19:17] <mklappstuhl> patdk-wk: yeah, but i'd like to setup virtio for example
[19:17] <mklappstuhl> so i need to add kernel modules
[19:19] <patdk-wk> mklappstuhl, what version of ubuntu?
[19:19] <mklappstuhl> 10.10
[19:20] <patdk-wk> should be installed already
[19:20] <mklappstuhl> i need to rebuild the initramfs with virtio included etc.
[19:20] <mklappstuhl> patdk-wk: ah, okay o.O :D
[19:20] <patdk-wk> you shouldn't have to
[19:20] <patdk-wk> atleast my 10.04 has them all installed, in -generic they are modules, installer will put them into initramfs
[19:21] <patdk-wk> and in -server they are mostly all compiled in
[19:41] <zul> hallyn: ping
[19:41] <hallyn> zul: (in mtg, but here)
[19:42] <zul> hallyn: so i want to get lxcguest but i have to do a mir for lxcguest and lxc is that kosher with you?
[19:43] <hallyn> sure.
[19:43] <hallyn> i thought lxc was in main
[19:43] <hallyn> hm, guess not
[19:44] <hallyn> zul: not sure if we want to do something like not install lxc-cap...
[19:46] <zul> ok ill get cracking on it
[19:46] <sdudenhofer> is there a way to reset what i have changed to my openssl setup? to reset back to default?
[19:46] <patdk-wk> openssl setup?
[19:47] <patdk-wk> I think the only posible changes are opensl.cnf
[19:50] <sdudenhofer> I followed this community documentation: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenSSL would me changing file location from where it first asks to create the file to the one that is already included in /usr/lib/ssl screw something up?
[19:57] <sdudenhofer> thats probably really confusing
[20:06] <sdudenhofer> are there official docs for setting openssl up to generate a CSR is this what you should use? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenSSL
[20:09] <JasonMSP>  sdudenhofer: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/certificates-and-security.html
[20:10] <JasonMSP> change the number to your system.  im 10.04 for instance.
[20:11] <JasonMSP> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/certificates-and-security.html
[20:11] <sdudenhofer> thanks I'll give that a run through
[20:12] <dustg> anyone have experience working around this bug:
[20:13] <dustg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eucalyptus/+bug/615442
[20:15] <Gargoyle> Hello. Can I change the text that is show above the main console login prompt?
[20:20] <zul> jamespage: i uploaded groovy
[20:44] <david506> I did a debootstrap installation of my computer, but I am stuck because the grub boot loader won't install. I run dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc, it asks for "linux command line" which is blank, it than asks for default command line, "quiet splash", immediately followed by "Continue without installing GRUB?". On an existing machine, there is an extra page "GRUB install devices". Why do I not see this page when installing this maching ? TH
[20:44] <david506> anks
[20:49] <RoAkSoAx> zul: done lp:~andreserl/ubuntu/lucid/vsftpd/sru1 and lp:~andreserl/ubuntu/maverick/vsftpd/sru1
[21:05] <jamespage> zul: thanks!
[21:10] <SystemTyrant> I'm curious if any of you use ubuntu server for mission critical applications and whether or not you have a paid support agreement in place?
[21:11] <Jeeves_> SystemTyrant: I know 100's of mission critical servers running ubuntu
[21:11] <Jeeves_> without a support agreement
[21:11] <Jeeves_> (Ow, and I use it myself too :))
[21:12] <SystemTyrant> Jeeves_: Do you know what any  of them are used for? ie file server, database server, etc?
[21:13] <Jeeves_> databases, webserver, ftp, online back-up, fileserver, virtualisation servers
[21:13] <Jeeves_> Just about anything, really
[21:13] <SystemTyrant> Thanks Jeeves.
[21:14] <Jeeves_> SystemTyrant: I've got no clue how the Canonical support is
[21:14] <Jeeves_> But I haven't heard any complaints about it either :)
[21:15] <SystemTyrant> I'm about to embark on moving our document storage over to Nuxeo DM which will be on ubuntu lts servers and will have postgresql backends (also on ubuntu servers).
[21:16] <Jeeves_> Sounds good
[21:16] <SystemTyrant> I like ubuntu, but I've never really had the chance to talk to anybody actually running them in production or as mission critical. I figured people have to be somewhere. :)
[21:16] <SystemTyrant> And of course pretty much all of it will be run without paid product support.
[21:21] <bluefrog> without product support?
[21:22] <bluefrog> would be irresponsible not to have support, how come you don't have any?
[22:30] <bobsapp> anyone got any idea on how to remote monitor linux hosts with nagios?
[22:30] <bobsapp> I've installed nagios, but using NRPE on a remote host
[22:39] <andygraybeal> if you guys don't mind holding my hand, i have a newb question.  i want my girl to be able to change chown and chmod some files, but only in a certain directory and every directory under that (recursively) .. but i don't want her to be able to do this on any other files!  if that makes sense.
[22:39] <andygraybeal> how do i go about doing that?
[22:41] <david506> I want to have my text console at a resolution of 1280x1024, I read I need to add vga=794, but every time I boot with that in the kernel line, the monitor says "out of sync"
[22:55] <lenios> andygraybeal, if you make her owner of this directory, it should work as expected
[22:57] <andygraybeal> lenios, ah interesting, thank you; even if she isn't owner of the files inside of the directory?
[22:57] <andygraybeal> what if she is part of the group that is owner of the directory?
[22:57] <lenios> you must first give her owner
[22:58] <lenios> you can chown -R
[22:59] <andygraybeal> okay, thank you :)
[22:59] <lenios> chown and chmod should only work for current user, not group
[23:04] <warrenchild> hello everyone!!! I have a question!! I set up a PPTP VPN using unbuntu server and it works perfectly!! I was wondering though how many people can connect at one time?
[23:05] <warrenchild> I have added more than one user and password, and they both work as well.
[23:05] <andygraybeal> lenios, thank you!!  works
[23:08] <dustg> ?
[23:10] <warrenchild> hello everyone!!! I have a question!! I set up a PPTP VPN using unbuntu server and it works perfectly!! I was wondering though how many people can connect at one time?
[23:14] <ENOSLEEP> warrenchild: that's going to depend on the amount of RAM, your CPU and your network connection.  You do realize that PPTP is not an encrypted connection, right?
[23:16] <warrenchild> hmmm
[23:16] <warrenchild> so I shoud use another?
[23:16] <warrenchild> what one is just as easy to set up that is encrypted
[23:16] <warrenchild> I though it was encrypted
[23:16] <warrenchild> thought*
[23:17] <warrenchild> enosleep: what do you sugest?
[23:18] <dustg> easiest temporary thing is ssh proxy.
[23:18] <warrenchild> well this will not be temp
[23:18] <warrenchild> sstp?
[23:18] <dustg> IPsec
[23:19] <warrenchild> would  happen to know a good walk through to set that up?
[23:19] <warrenchild> dustg: ^^^
[23:20] <dustg> not off my head
[23:20] <dustg> there are probably other options, too
[23:20] <dustg> I'm not at home so my vpn bookmarks aren't around
[23:21] <warrenchild> thank you dustg
[23:21] <warrenchild> abd enosleep
[23:31] <ENOSLEEP> warrenchild: I would suggest OpenVPN.