[14:23] <charlie-tca> ochosi: pidgin in the panel uses an envelope? Shouldn't this be changed to the pidgin bubble icon instead? It looks like it should open an email client now.
[14:35] <charlie-tca> ochosi: removing session menu and adding action buttons fails to allow a restart on 64bit desktop live cd in a VBox
[14:35] <charlie-tca> the live session went right back to GDM
[14:35] <ochosi> charlie-tca: pidgin is part of the messaging menu, which is an indicator. thunderbird should also integrate there
[14:35] <ochosi> right, so the restart-logout thing is more general, not session-menu specific (like mr_pouit suggested earlier)
[14:36] <charlie-tca> are those icons fixed then? It is confusing to see the envelope, just to find out it is pidgin, not email
[14:36] <charlie-tca> at least the restart thing on live session is not session-menu specific
[14:37] <ochosi> the indicator-icons are fixed afaik
[14:38] <ochosi> also: if you install an email-client that supports the messaging menu it will also show up there
[14:38] <ochosi> (there's thunderbird extension that does that
[14:38] <ochosi> )
[14:38] <charlie-tca> will it be a second envelope then for the email?
[14:38] <mr_pouit> or xchat, empathy, etc.
[14:38] <ochosi> no, in the same menu
[14:38] <mr_pouit> no, in the same menu
[14:38] <ochosi> lol
[14:38] <mr_pouit> eh ;-)
[14:38] <charlie-tca> I don't mind it showing up there, but an envelope?
[14:38] <charlie-tca> I never think of chat when I see that, only email
[14:39] <ochosi> well, ubuntu has been using this for a few releases now
[14:39] <charlie-tca> but it has not been by default installation in the panel
[14:39] <ochosi> i don't really have much of an opinion about the icon, i guess it could be improved
[14:39] <charlie-tca> It really should be changed to the actual pidgin icon
[14:39] <ochosi> in ubuntu: yes, in xubuntu: yes (now that we decided to include the indicators)
[14:40] <charlie-tca> um, in Ubuntu, the envelope is the email, not the chat client
[14:40] <ochosi> charlie-tca: changing it to the pidgin icon makes no sense, as all other messaging apps will also integrate in that menu/indicator
[14:40] <ochosi> charlie-tca: no, in ubuntu it's the same, it's the same indicator
[14:40] <charlie-tca> I will load a live cd and look again, but everytime I click the envelope in the panel in Ubuntu, it opens Evolution
[14:41] <ochosi> rly? no dropdown?
[14:41] <charlie-tca> really.
[14:41] <ochosi> charlie-tca: look here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MessagingMenu/
[14:41] <charlie-tca> it wants to have all the email account information
[14:41] <ochosi> this is what the envelope-thingy is/does
[14:42] <charlie-tca> maybe it is supposed to, does is stretching it 
[14:43] <ochosi> well, anyhow, if you install more apps that use the messaging menu, this is how it will look and this is what it's designed for
[14:43] <charlie-tca> okay, I will take your word for it then. I will let it alone now
[14:44] <charlie-tca> I am happy that I got a couple of images to work today
[14:44] <ochosi> in fact i tried using thunderbird with the extension in xubuntu natty, it also shows up in the menu
[14:44] <charlie-tca> both alternate images installed for Xubuntu today, first time in a week
[14:44] <ochosi> (unfortunately the extension isn't included in ubuntu yet, so we can't install the support by default yet)
[14:44] <charlie-tca> but it will show under the envelope with the other things, right?
[14:44] <ochosi> yep
[14:45] <charlie-tca> okay
[14:45] <ochosi> nice to hear that images are working
[14:45] <charlie-tca> I am going to try to get a hardware install, and will add all the crap there and see how it works then
[14:46] <ochosi> sounds good!
[14:46] <charlie-tca> thanks for explaining it to me
[14:46] <ochosi> np :)
[15:05] <charlie-tca> hardware installs are still failing completely
[18:35] <pleia2> ochosi: you about? need to get you set up with an xubuntu.org account
[19:00] <ochosi> pleia2: sry, got friends visiting, will you be about in an hour or so?
[19:00] <pleia2> ochosi: I'm at work, but I should be around-ish, just pleia2: at me :)
[19:02] <ochosi> pleia2: okeydokey :)
[19:36] <ochosi> pleia2: ok, i'm ready to pleia2: at you
[19:36] <pleia2> ok cool
[19:36] <pleia2> ochosi: what would you like your username to be?
[19:37] <ochosi> ochosi?
[19:37] <pleia2> k
[19:37] <ochosi> :)
[19:37] <pleia2> email address?
[19:38] <ochosi> ochosi@shimmerproject.org
[20:09] <pleia2> we have new news :) http://xubuntu.org/node/42
[20:09] <pleia2> yay ochosi!
[20:09] <charlie-tca> Yay!
[20:09] <charlie-tca> can we forward that to UWN, too?
[20:10] <pleia2> yea, but UWN hasn't published in a few weeks :\
[20:12] <charlie-tca> yeah, I know. but we gotta keep trying anyway
[20:13] <charlie-tca> Reminder: Team Reports for February needs to be updated - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/TeamReports
[20:14] <knome> i have to say that the content-part of the site still looks pretty good with the stuff at top
[22:41] <ochosi> thanks pleia2 !