=== bregma_ is now known as bregma === num is now known as dotblank === oubiwann` is now known as oubiwann === kenvandine_ is now known as kenvandine [03:56] cyphermox: so your multi monitor stuff works? [03:56] I look forward to trying it tomorrow! [07:47] good morning [08:04] good morning [08:05] hey folks [08:08] njpatel, morning, filed a bunch of bugs on the keyboard layout indicdator last night, wanted to make sure they were on the right package ... people weere unsure last night ... what one should they be against? [08:09] didrocks, ^ ? [08:09] apw, it's one of the gnome packages but I can't remember the name [08:09] * didrocks looks [08:10] gnome-control-center was the one suggested, and where they are at the mo [08:11] oh and whats the package for the clock applet [08:12] indicator-datetime [08:12] (these menus really could do with a 'report bug' option or something) [08:13] apw: g-c-c is fine, not 100% sure it's this one its the one, but yeah [08:13] and right, indicator-datetime for the clock indicator [08:13] apw: what would be awesome is a "click the component getting troubles" :) [08:15] didrocks, yeah that would work [08:16] 7 bugs in 5 minutes after that updates to unity/compiz last night ... not our finest our [08:16] houe [08:16] hour [08:16] compiz seems to be a crashy heap at the moment [08:17] apw: the decoration? or something else? [08:18] didrocks, not sure i know the answer to that, though the whole thing core-dumps when doing window operations at itmes, bugs fileed on the cores [08:19] apw: ok, can you point smspillaz to them, please? [08:22] smspillaz, had two coredumps in unity and one in nux reported last night after the latest compiz,unity updates: bug #726840 and bug #723158 [08:22] Bug 726840 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/726840 is private [08:22] Launchpad bug 723158 in nux (Ubuntu) "unity_support_test crashed with SIGSEGV in nux::IOpenGLAsmVertexShader::IOpenGLAsmVertexShader()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/723158 [08:22] yay fir t [08:22] yay for the retracer not doing its job [08:23] gimmeh a backtrace [08:24] * apw chats to martin about the retracer ... hrm [08:26] * apw notes one of his bugs is gone now ... i wonder where it went ... anyhow, the retracer was sick and on the case now [08:28] smspillaz, ahh the other compiz one has dup'd itself in the last 10 mins or so: bug #726873 [08:28] Launchpad bug 726873 in compiz (Ubuntu) "unity-window-decorator crashed with SIGSEGV in g_cclosure_marshal_VOID__OBJECT() (dup-of: 724874)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/726873 [08:28] Launchpad bug 724874 in compiz (Ubuntu) "unity-window-decorator crashed with SIGSEGV in g_cclosure_marshal_VOID__OBJECT()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/724874 === API is now known as Guest34840 [08:34] apw: ok, they aren't compiz crashes at least [08:34] still decorator crashes [08:34] but I'm not sure what is going on here [08:34] apw: is there a particular way you can "tickle" this problem ? [08:35] the one which duplicated itself, that i am pretty sure i triggered by having a window get stuck, then force killing it [08:35] someone else on the bug says something similar ... [08:35] the other one, was triggered by me full screening a chromium window i think [08:36] but it is hard to be 100% sure [08:39] when one right clicks on a docked unity appy thing you get a right menu, how do you get rid of it without clicking something in it [08:39] also isn't Terminal meant to have a 'open new window' which seems to be gone === Guest34840 is now known as apinheiro [08:41] also i note that terminal's menu has moved back into the terminal, except for file quit which is on the global bar [08:42] are these all bugs? [08:43] * apw has no confidence he knows what expected behavoiur is anymore as it changes every upload, and the changlog isn't helping me [08:44] apw: ok, I'll try this one then :) [08:44] apw: thanks! [08:45] also is the terminal icon meant to have a golden flare round it, and does it mean something or is it purely asthetic [08:46] apw: it is for keyboard nav [08:47] meaning? that that one has a special key sequence or something ? [08:47] press up and down [08:47] it navigates the launcher [08:48] how do i get focus into the launcher to make that work [08:48] the super key [08:49] nope, that gives me the new 'numbers' on the panel items, but up and down dont work [08:49] apw: strange, it worked the other day [08:49] *shrug* [08:50] MacSlow can tell you about that I guess [08:51] apw: with the next release coming in a few hours, alt + F1 show and focus the launcher [08:51] then, press up and down [08:52] didrocks: thanks :) [08:52] apw: if the menu isn't exported, its a bug, indicator-appmenu for those [08:52] smspillaz, i think just triggered another compiz crash using the window you get from a tap of the windows key [08:53] tap super, type keyb, then hit esc seemed to do it [08:53] smspillaz, yeah did it for me again, about 2 from 6 times [08:54] apw: I think it's a dash search crash, we fixed a lot in trunk, so hopefully, check again later today [08:55] didrocks, sigh, we need to get someone in qa to test some of this stuff, if i can find 8 bugs with 10 mins of use it would be found by someone with test experience before upload [08:55] apw: the problem is that we are under intense pressure to get lots done. A lot of us are working far extended than normal hours [08:55] apw: those bugs are really machine specific [08:56] apw: so, if you want to shift with me, working 14 hours a day, welcome [08:56] and don't tell "someone with test experience before upload" [08:56] smspillaz, yep and a lot of us cannot test what we are working extended hours too cause our test boxes won't let us use them cause the window manager is broken [08:56] now, back to work [08:56] and while we make every effort to review and test, there is really only so much you can do when you have deadlines that are 2 hours away [08:56] if i shipped my kernels with that way you'd never be able to boot [08:57] apw: that happens quite often to me [08:57] apw: and you think I'm not working extended hours to fix the window manager? writing window managers is very difficult, especially when you need to change a lot at the last minute [08:57] like kernel panics at start… [08:57] so if you want to play the blame game… [08:57] apw: also, we all deal with broken things. For example, I get kernel panics every time I resize a window [08:57] smspillaz, interesting, got a bug number for that, i am all ears [08:58] apw: its a bug in nouveau 3D, not worth filing a bug report over [08:58] I had to use nouveau 3D for a long time because eg, the nvidia dirver was broken [08:58] yep, those pesky 3d requirements are a b*tch [08:59] indeede [08:59] apw, Alt-F1 is the default [08:59] and i'm not trying to play any kind of blame game, we all have pressures i know, just wondering if some focus from QA could help catch some of these [08:59] its worked well for our stable kernels, reducing regressions and catching odd use cases much earlier [09:00] apw: we're wroking on things like auto-testing, unit testing etc [09:00] apw: the thing is that unity and compiz aren't stable at this point of the release [09:00] perhaps we can do the same, as people who know how to test know how to tickle things and know how they tickled them [09:00] and for the kernel, you have an upstream having a longer dev cycle between releases [09:00] compiz doesn't really have these things ... unfortunately writing them is going to take a while and it is just not priority right now [09:00] with already some QA [09:00] we are doing everything possible here to get the best unity and compiz [09:00] i am sure you are, don't think otherwise [09:01] but you have to understand that the scale of people working on it is small [09:01] and most of issues are machine-dependant [09:01] if I had a search crashing, I won't upload it [09:01] Don't we have a release to do today? [09:01] but I don't have this kind of effects [09:01] andi am putting myself in harms way to test it, to get you wihining bugs as soon as possible :) [09:03] apw: and we really appreciate that, so just files bugs to help us, thanks :) [09:06] * apw goes back to his team of one working on the development kernel [09:14] dammit, can't reproduce the u-w-d one [09:35] cando_, are you still working on the dodge active window fix? [09:36] om26er, now i'm pretty busy...i should be able to work on it in the weekend...you can take it if you want...:) [09:37] cando_, ha ha, what is c++ :D [09:37] om26er, ahahah...ok! :) [09:38] om26er, i'll let you know asap... [09:41] apinheiro, rodrigo_: ping? you guys there for the weekly catch up? [09:41] dbarth_, [09:41] ok [09:41] dbarth_, yes, give me 5 mins, if possible [09:42] yup [09:42] om26er: you rocked as usual on the dup effort! thanks! [09:43] om26er: and sorry for that dancing launcher, the bug is there for 4 weeks, weird that we got all duplicates in a short period of time (but FF should have help :)) [09:45] didrocks, the latest upload the one before yesterday make is worse though is fixed with the latest update na? [09:45] om26er: yeah, I cherry-picked it [09:45] om26er: we plan to have another release in a couple of hours [09:45] didrocks, the feature release? [09:45] om26er: but looking at the code, I don't know how it made it worse :) [09:46] om26er: there is mostly bug fixes in it, the only feature added is this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/ [09:46] oupss [09:46] https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/683688 [09:49] didrocks, the new dash design is also in this release or is it coming after alpha-3 seems to be merged in trunk [09:50] om26er: it's in this release [09:50] om26er: do you use chromium? [09:51] didrocks, yes its my default browser [09:51] dbarth_, apinheiro: ready [09:52] om26er: ok, can you reproduce that: bug #727060 [09:52] Launchpad bug 727060 in compiz (Ubuntu) "Damage events not received when chromium opened automaximize" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/727060 [09:52] looking [09:53] didrocks, confirmed [09:53] om26er: ahah, intel/nvidia? [09:53] didrocks, intel [09:53] smspillaz: see ^ [09:54] and not only nvidia, so you should be able to reproduce it :) [09:54] seb128: awesome [09:54] om26er: ok, milestone for next week, thanks a lot! === chaotic_ is now known as chaotic [10:03] dbarth_, call dropped [10:10] dbarth_, ? [10:15] apinheiro, ? [10:15] apinheiro, yep? [10:15] anyway, you didn't miss too much on the call [10:15] dbarth dropped the call, right? or is it me? [10:15] ah [10:15] no it was you ;) [10:16] I mean that we were still on the meeting [10:16] ok [10:16] but nothing new, we were finishingh the meeting [10:21] dbarth__, apinheiro: ok, so the other thing I was goin to mention is me being on vacation next week [10:21] apinheiro, dbarth__: I'll still do some work on my bugs, but won't be much online [10:23] hey all === toros is now known as zaivaldo [11:22] is it me, or are dbusmenus broken in Natty? [11:22] :-) === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:21] klattimer1, did you see my comments on that bug? [13:21] kenvandine: not yet [13:21] I was just cracking on doing the recurrence stuff [13:21] kenvandine: got the bug number handy? [13:23] bug 726603 [13:23] Launchpad bug 726603 in Indicator Date and Time "Appointments displayed might not be the next 5 " [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/726603 [13:23] seb128, i'll be out taking one of my kids to an apt for the next hour or so, bbiab [13:23] klattimer1, hopefully my comments help save you some time [13:23] kenvandine, hey, ok [13:24] kenvandine: I actually woke up with a fairly good way of fixing this in my head, must have had some dream about it last night or something [13:24] but lets see what you've got [13:25] kenvandine: well that breaks my entire plan for a fix [13:25] excuse me while I go had punch an eds hacker [13:27] Question [13:27] does FrameJob as a class name have any sexual connotations? [13:28] Don't want to make the same mistaken as RIM Jobs [13:28] :P [13:30] aruiz: it would just add to the charm [13:30] we have libido and liboobs [13:30] ;) [13:33] klattimer1, I invented liboobs [13:33] well, I gave it its name [13:33] garnacho did the rest [13:33] :-) [14:32] kenvandine, Hey, klattimer1 and I were talking about using libjana in indicator-datetime. But it's in universe. Is it too late to add that dep? [14:32] what does it do? [14:33] if it solves some of the pain of eds then maybe [14:33] kenvandine, It's basically a time and date helper library. Yeah, basically. [14:34] oh... very interesting then [14:34] because dealing with eds for this stuff is rather painful [14:35] so it is a simpler way to deal with eds? [14:36] kenvandine: in theory [14:36] but, I've also got a way of doing it pure eds [14:37] it just takes manoeuvring some code, there's also the question of the size of the package and stuff which I haven't even considered - and also memory usage and stability of it [14:37] personally, I'd rather pure eds right now [14:37] it can be done in eds, gnome-panel does it [14:38] and scope out libjana for a future release [14:38] but the api is kind of a pain [14:38] ok, that would be good [14:38] kenvandine: the panel, as far as I could tell uses eds-ui widgets a [14:38] trying to figure out wtf was happening there was painful [14:38] and monkeys with them in various ways [14:38] no [14:38] ? [14:38] it does basically what you do [14:38] but it generates instances for the recurring events [14:38] hmm [14:38] I never saw that [14:38] maybe I was blinded to it [14:38] using that function i pointed to in the bug comment [14:39] but that's what I'm thinking of doing [14:39] well,it is a very round about way of doing it [14:39] yeah [14:39] i think it is the only way [14:39] that's what I was thinking too [14:39] it is rediculous to be able to query for events in the next 7 days, but the results can't tell you when the next occurance is [14:39] well, I'll just do that really [14:39] kenvandine: believe me, at times EDS is worse [14:39] you then have to generate instances of those events, which use the rules defined in eds [14:40] then iterate over those [14:40] kenvandine: do you know what query language it is? [14:40] S [14:40] S? [14:40] oh, i proposed a branch that simplified your query too [14:40] oh - that's going to be SO easy to find documentation for [14:40] https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/indicator-datetime/simplify_cal_query/+merge/51694 [14:40] you don't need to touch that :) [14:40] you already have the ecalcomponents [14:41] you need to use that result to call that generate_instances function i pointed out [14:41] then in the callback function do something with it [14:41] i didn't quite work that out [14:41] s1aden: hi, is Ubuntu font complete enough to be used in documents/spreadsheets? I'm wondering why we use TimesNewRoman, Arial as defaults in LibreOffice … would switching to Ubuntu font cause any problems? [14:41] but... there should be a function similar to e_cal_get_dtstart to get the datetime of the next instance [14:42] i mean seriously... [14:42] klattimer1, you can also talk to rodrigo_ [14:42] he knows eds very well :) [14:42] kenvandine: yeah [14:42] but looks like I can see what I've gotta do [14:43] it's just horrible [14:46] * bcurtiswx waves to room [14:47] hey bcurtiswx [14:47] hey kenvandine [14:48] kenvandine: I've just thought, won't the generated instances come out in no particular order [14:48] so I still need to sort them... [14:48] kenvandine: thanks for that query tip [14:49] I wish I knew/found documentation for this language because I've never seen it before [14:53] vish: we're currently still at the stage where the metric (width, kerning) of the Ubuntu Fonts is still likely to change. This would cause document flow, which is why they are set as default in any non-GUI applications yet [14:53] vish: that may change post a -1.0 when a set of frozen metrics [14:58] s1aden: ah! thanks for clearing that up … :) === seiflotfy_ is now known as seiflotfy === s1aden is now known as sladen [16:09] didrocks: I am confused by "Add Super to the dance" [16:09] er, add shift to the dance [16:09] jcastro: basically [16:10] super -> 1 <=> clicking on the icon [16:11] (activates existing apps) [16:11] super + shift + 1 <=> middle click -> open a new instance [16:11] oh I see [16:11] jcastro: can you change the wiki in plain english please? :) [16:11] so the same as either left clicking or middle clicking on an icon [16:11] still on the phone [16:11] right [16:11] yep, I'm on it [16:11] thanks! [16:11] almost done, just needed that last bit [16:19] tedg, about? [16:28] aruiz, On a call, I'll ping you in a bit. [16:28] tedg, I'll be around [16:28] :-) [16:43] aruiz, I'm back! What's up? [16:45] tedg, trying to figure out how to handle the "about to show" case [16:45] what are the limitations of such approach? [16:45] I went for the easy one (take children and rebuild) and as you can imagine [16:45] it blew right in my face [16:45] :-) [16:51] aruiz, Well, there's no specific limitation, the problem is that we delete items then the whole menu can go away. [16:51] eeks [16:51] well, if the number of items remains the same, that's not a problem [16:52] aruiz, So if your keeping around pointers to the objects, things *should* work out for the most part. But I wouldn't use "take" as that removes all references. It's better to delete and add and make sure to recycle objects. [16:52] aruiz, I guess it's better to say "we not figuring out what changed as much as, if the object changes, we assume everything changed." [16:54] got it [16:54] I'll try to do things gracefully [17:02] tedg, can a element be hidden? even though is still part of the list? [17:02] the children list that is === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|afk [17:04] aruiz, You can set the visibility to false, is that what you mean? [17:05] ah, yeah [17:05] tedg, that way I can keep the object around and know that it'll get freed on g_object_unref of its parent [17:06] tedg: I got a screenshot of that bug I mentioned, but yesterday's daily ISO cleared up the problem and I wasn't confident that output from unity-panel-service was actually helpful, since I couldn't get it to quit without it restarting automatically. [17:07] tedg: Err, the bug was the panel icons not being themed. On the other hand, I now have natty installed on my laptop. :) [17:07] aruiz, okay, it should work. I'm not sure what GTK does with hidden items there, but it'll get directly translated into a hidden item in GTK as well. [17:07] sladen: I spend my life in Terminal windows. I'm curious if there's a timeframe for the Ubuntu Monospace font. I'm eager to start testing it! :) [17:08] nhaines, Good that it works? :-) [17:08] nhaines, I think there was some gsd issues in general, I haven't looked into them much. [17:08] tedg: maybe? :) It would sort of work or not work from daily to daily... so I wanted to try and report it. [17:08] nhaines: we're just going through thr third ratio today (exact 2:1 like a console font) [17:09] But I'll keep an eye on it. I just didn't want you to think I didn't follow through. ;) [17:09] sladen: neato! I miss updates on Canonical's Design Team blog. :) [17:09] nhaines: I hope it'll be possibly to do a wider beta test soon, but the mono is what everyone seems to be asking for (you're not the 1st, or the 21st) [17:10] sladen: I'm interested in the other weights and so forth, too, but mono is going to change my life in a way. :) [17:13] nhaines: if it works :). Currently you'll notice that there are some spacing issues: http://www.paul.sladen.org/tmp/line-drawing-and-box-500.400.png [17:14] sladen: Well, that my change my life in another way as well, haha. :) [17:14] It's awesome that DM and you and everyone are working together like this. I'll wait patiently for updates. :) [17:15] Also, "eszett" is an awesome hostname. [17:15] nhaines: you could join the new mailing list in the meantime https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/font [17:15] nhaines: nobody's said anything yet [17:16] nhaines: yeah, rename following an unfortunately HDD crash (now SSD) [17:17] sladen: ooh! I didn't know there was a mailing list. :D [17:17] sladen: I work for WD so although I trust our drives, I trust backups more. :( [17:18] sladen: although Ubuntu One helps a little too. [17:34] ivanka: Hello, I was noticing that there is no new-branding Ubuntu business card artwork available. Is this something that is being planned? [17:34] I didn't manage to catch any Canonical employees with new business cards over the weekend. :( [17:35] tedg: maybe I should have asked Jane Silber for her card! ;) [17:36] nhaines, Heh, I bet she gets new ones! :) [17:48] aruiz, do you actually use stlport in lo-menubar? you check for it with waf but i don't see any includes === API is now known as Guest6536 [17:56] kenvandine, I blind copied the build rules from an extension example that used random Makefile-include-fu [17:56] kenvandine, it might well be that I don't need it at all [17:56] ok, i suspected :) [17:56] i see no includes for it [17:57] kenvandine, I did that before I actually implemented stuff, so yeah [17:57] :) [17:57] * kenvandine verifies [17:57] prolly safe to kill it [18:03] hi [18:04] I'm just testing the latest unity, and the global menu keeps crashing. Is this a known bug? [18:12] DBO, hey! if you got some time, can you please take a look at the "build unity from source" guide at askubuntu? [18:12] http://askubuntu.com/questions/28470/how-do-i-build-unity-from-source/28472#28472 [18:13] I saw that htorque :) [18:13] builds fine but it won't start (starts the ubuntu unity instead, the path contains only the unity binary - i guess that's not enough?) [18:13] you are a hero and a gentleman [18:13] uhm [18:13] uhm [18:13] okay I'll look [18:14] i also tried to start it from a metacity session (no effects), but no luck [18:14] htorque: I think that's because compiz don't take it [18:14] DBO, why thank you, but it's only a 1:1 copy of the old guide :P [18:15] htorque: for now, I'm doing an evil thing: installed in /usr/local/ and using unity --distro to switch back to the distro version :) [18:15] i think I know the problem [18:15] htorque, [18:15] cmake .. -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug -DCOMPIZ_PLUGIN_INSTALL_TYPE=package -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/opt/unity [18:15] make that line [18:15] cmake .. -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug -DCOMPIZ_PLUGIN_INSTALL_TYPE=local -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/opt/unity [18:15] then try [18:16] DBO, thanks, on it [18:19] holy crap, the new Places/Dash is incredible [18:19] the performance is stunning [18:20] jono: isn't it? ;) [18:20] nice work :-) [18:21] didrocks, I want to file bug against the new time and date dialog - what package name do I use with ubuntu-bug? [18:22] The new places/dash in the repos? [18:22] Kaleo: hihi [18:22] nhaines, yup [18:22] jono: indicator-datetime [18:22] jono: thanks, I'll have to take a look at it. :) [18:23] thanks didrocks [18:23] yw :) [18:24] * desrt decides to check out this unity stuff again [18:25] desrt: you should definitively take the last version (just hit the repo 4 hours ago) [18:26] yeah the release that just landed is one I have been waiting for [18:26] the Apps / Files place is now feeling pretty useful [18:26] I am having some issues with U1 syncing right now [18:27] didrocks: k. will dist-upgrade [18:27] jono: I installed natty on my laptop last night. U1 felt a bit slow but I didn't notice any real problem.s [18:27] jono: don't blame unity for that! :p [18:27] nhaines, give it an update [18:27] Maybe a couple synced folders that should have been default... U1MS doesn't seem to have synced. [18:28] the app / files place is much more performant [18:28] oh, U1 [18:28] That would be good news for sure. :) [18:28] my bad [18:28] didrocks, yeah [18:28] Yeah, I don't have the new app/files yet. [18:28] I am going to talk to aq and see what the deal is [18:44] DBO, half win (i guess): launcher now uses /opt/unity, but unity-panel-service comes from /usr/lib/unity [18:44] its not actually using /opt/unity [18:44] its using ~/.compiz-1 [18:45] oh [18:45] htorque, the panel service shouldn't really matter fortunately [18:46] DBO, but it definitely uses sources from /opt/unity/share/unity/3/ [18:46] yeah [18:46] it would [18:46] its a co-install kind of thing [18:46] DBO, yeah, i don't know if that's a problem at all, just noted it :) [18:47] so i'd say this is fixed then \o/ === MacSlow|afk is now known as MacSlow [18:52] DBO, gotta go, thanks for your time! :-) [18:53] cheers === m_conley` is now known as m_conley_away [19:14] Huh, I'm using Firefox on the latest Unity, and the title bar only repaints when focus changes away from Firefox. [19:18] So I've run into a situation where I can't install unity on natty [19:19] Oh ignore me its sorted it seems [19:23] DBO: I guess you got XDND sorted then? === ubuntu_ is now known as danyR [19:24] Amaranth, more or less yeah, why? [19:25] DBO: Oh, just noticed it in the desktop team update [19:25] i didn't even know the desktop team was aware I sorted it [19:25] im busy doing the drawing with xlib right no [19:25] w [19:26] is the dash supposed to be fullscreen on 1366x768 or it's just the algorithm needing some work? [19:26] probably needing some work [19:26] its also possible that was our design requirement [19:26] I dont really know [19:27] DBO, I hope it's the algorithm. 1366x768 is a common resolution for laptops, and, you know laptos > netbooks :P [19:28] laptopos* [19:28] fail. laptops* [19:29] laptoops as I like to call them [19:29] fair enough. [20:34] lamalex: yo, so the trigaging docs [20:37] lamalex: hey, did you get to discuss with didrocks about the use of opinion status? [20:39] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status for how it is used in rest of Ubuntu.. [20:39] lp folks said it was temporary trial for 3 months, but it still lives( after 6months?) ;p [20:44] vish, no, i tried to ping him a few days ago but he was too busy to talk [20:44] ill talk to him tomorrow [20:44] cool! [20:47] heh! /me wonders about various kinds of feedback a http://input.ubuntu.com/beta/feedback would get ;) [20:58]