* apachelogger is not sure whether he will be there :)00:01
DarkwingDuckapachelogger: but, you have soooo omany good idea.s01:13
DarkwingDuckWhat kernal are we shipping with 11.04?01:25
DarkwingDuckThanks. I'll dig for the rest of the specs01:30
valoriewhat? no apachelogger at UDS?01:52
* valorie isn't sure about coming either01:52
valorieif I get sponsored, great01:53
valorieif not......01:53
DarkwingDuckDo we have tech specs for Natty?02:46
DarkwingDuckAKA versions of what is shipping? gcc, python ect02:46
yofelthere was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDSProceedings/N/Final 02:56
yofelbut for the versions probably best to query the archive02:56
DarkwingDuckI'm update that lot int eh documentation02:58
DarkwingDuck*in the02:58
DarkwingDuckthanks yofel 02:58
DarkwingDucknixternal: ping03:06
nixternalDarkwingDuck: yo yo03:08
DarkwingDuckQuestion of the CC-BA-SA on the docs.03:08
DarkwingDuckDo we update the Licence when CC does?03:08
nixternalno, the ubuntu documentation project would have to vote on it, but it needs to be updated to cc-by-sa 3.003:09
DarkwingDuck3.0? Roger.03:09
nixternalhas ubuntu-docs switched to 3.0?03:09
nixternalif so, just steal their cc-by-sa.xml file, otherwise that will be fun to create03:09
DarkwingDuckI don't know...03:10
nixternalheh, your text message killed my phone :)03:10
* DarkwingDuck is debating on getting a XOOM03:14
nixternali am waiting for mine now03:17
DarkwingDuckI got to play with one at the conference this last weekend and ohhhhhhhhhhh yeah03:18
nixternalit is bad ass03:19
DarkwingDucknixternal: Ubuntu Docs is still 2.503:21
valoriewe need some companies giving out hardware to developers!03:21
DarkwingDuckThey do... you just need to know who.03:21
nixternalthat's how i am getting my xoom03:22
nixternalotherwise i wouldn't buy one, not worth it03:22
valoriewell, I'm no developer03:22
nixternalipads, xooms, all of them, overpriced and damn near over rated03:23
valorieand probably wouldn't even use one03:23
valoriea kindle, maybe03:23
nixternalmy mom just got a kindle and loves it03:23
valorieI hate that they are all still locked down03:24
nixternalthe pros on it are you can get most books for much cheaper. see, i don't read books much, and if spending $140 for a kindle will save me $20 over the life of it, then it is worthless to me as well03:24
DarkwingDuckAFAIK they will be releasing an XOOM that is unlocked bootloader03:24
valoriebut traveling with a kindle vs. a laptop AND books sounds like a win03:24
valorieI do read books03:24
valoriemostly from the library though03:25
valoriemore and more are available as files, though03:25
nixternalDarkwingDuck: no, it is a locked bootloader03:26
nixternalmotorola will never ship anything unlocked, as a matter of fact, they are the worst when it comes to locking their shit down. tis the reason you don't see gingerbread on the droid2 line because of the bootstrap03:26
DarkwingDuckBut, I am running on my Droid103:27
nixternalthat's before they started bootstrapping03:28
DarkwingDuckOh I know03:28
DarkwingDuckWhen does HTC release their tablet03:28
nixternalno idea. hopefully they cut their prices in half03:29
DarkwingDuckYeah right.03:29
DarkwingDucklike they did with their phones? :P03:29
valoriethey can't really compete on price with Apple03:30
valoriebecause Apple sells directly to consumers03:30
valorieso they make enormous profit on each device03:30
valorieno one else can do that03:30
valorieeveryone thought their Apple stores were stupid03:31
valoriebut that is what will save them in the long run03:31
valorieor at least the middle run03:31
* DarkwingDuck shrugs03:31
DarkwingDuckApple has about 4 more years before it bites the dust.03:32
valoriecould be03:32
valoriethey can't have all the "next big things"03:32
nixternalvalorie: they make the same money on the ipad and iphone through the apple store compared to at&t store adn verizon stores as well. that's why verizon took so long getting them on board03:32
DarkwingDuckSteve Jobs is Apple... if Jobs leaves then Apple will go with it03:33
nixternalthey split the price of the phone 50/50 with the carrier now03:33
valoriehe's left, and is dying03:33
DarkwingDuckand he has about 3 years of R&D to burn through then it's over IMO...03:33
nixternalDarkwingDuck: yeah, you can count steve jobs out, he is done03:33
DarkwingDuckIt's what happened last time03:33
valorieI guess we can only watch and wait03:33
DarkwingDuckAlthough, I am debating on getting a used iPad03:34
valoriethose who have 'em, seem to love 'em......03:34
valorietwo of my boys have iPhones, which they love as well03:35
valoriebut they don't care about freedom03:35
nixternaland those who have 'em seriously think they can get work done on them. if you can get work done on an ipad, then you aren't imporant, your job is a joke :D03:35
valorieunless it's development for iPad, in which case you would want it for testing03:35
DarkwingDuckAll those arguments could be made with any tablets03:37
nixternali watched a guy on the train try and be cool and do some ruby programming...he thought he was hot shit. i shut him up by saying "all you are doing is proving ruby is a joke too"03:37
DarkwingDucknixternal: http://cgi.ebay.com/Motorola-Xoom-32-GB-Tablet-3g-Wifi-Android-NEW-/230591124247?pt=US_Tablets&hash=item35b04d531703:40
nixternalShipping:$639.99 Standard Shipping 03:41
nixternal$640 for shipping03:41
valoriegotta be a misprint03:42
valoriemaybe $40?03:42
valoriewith insurance and such03:42
valorieI could fly to Caspar WY and back for $64003:43
DarkwingDuckNo, that's how they can sell it for 29903:47
DarkwingDuckThey charge the remaining in shipping.03:48
valorieoh good grief03:49
DarkwingDuckgcc 4.5 and python 2.7.103:56
DarkwingDuckNow I just need to find the glibc version03:56
nixternal!info glibc03:59
ubottuPackage glibc does not exist in maverick03:59
nixternal!info libglib2.0-003:59
ubottulibglib2.0-0 (source: glib2.0): The GLib library of C routines. In component main, is required. Version 2.26.1-0ubuntu1 (maverick), package size 1348 kB, installed size 2840 kB03:59
nixternal!info libglib2.0-0 natty04:00
ubottulibglib2.0-0 (source: glib2.0): The GLib library of C routines. In component main, is required. Version 2.28.1-1ubuntu1 (natty), package size 949 kB, installed size 2688 kB04:00
nixternalcan't remember how to do that04:00
nixternalwell, that's how you do that :)04:00
nixternalDarkwingDuck: ^^ there you go04:00
nixternalneed to go chill for a bit04:01
DarkwingDuckI'm looking for Natty but, I found it.04:01
DarkwingDuck!info eglibc-source04:02
ubottueglibc-source (source: eglibc): Embedded GNU C Library: sources. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.12.1-0ubuntu10.2 (maverick), package size 12256 kB, installed size 17164 kB04:02
DarkwingDuck!info eglibc-source natty04:02
ubottueglibc-source (source: eglibc): Embedded GNU C Library: sources. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.13-0ubuntu3 (natty), package size 12186 kB, installed size 17244 kB04:02
DarkwingDuckGot it04:03
DarkwingDuckRevision 20004:07
ubottuhttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=200&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 200 | Coolo: changed the "Open" to "Save As" box added a little icon for kfm04:07
=== superfly__ is now known as superfly
Tm_TScottK: yup, jockey suggests b43 firmware for my ibook in Maverick06:57
apacheloggerapparently they were using english in revision 200 already :D09:08
ubottuhttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=200&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 200 | Coolo: changed the "Open" to "Save As" box added a little icon for kfm09:08
apacheloggerrev 109:08
ubottuhttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=1&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 1 | New repository initialized by cvs2svn.09:08
apacheloggerat some point it was german09:08
apacheloggerrev 209:08
ubottuhttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=2&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 2 | Source imported09:08
apacheloggerrev 1009:08
ubottuhttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=10&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 10 | again a bug in acinclude.m409:08
* apachelogger waves fist at ubottu and consults with the shower09:08
apacheloggerrev 509:10
ubottuhttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=5&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 5 | Bug beseitigt.09:10
bambeeOhh jesus... I'm reading a code... they coded a tiny buildsystem in c++ xD... fooconfig.cpp => it checks everything, platform, deps etc...09:10
bambeeseriously it's ugly o_O09:10
* bambee will hang himself...09:11
apacheloggerbambee: who?09:38
apacheloggeror .... where?09:38
=== hunger_ is now known as hunger
bambeeapachelogger: rochester university works on transactional memory in HPC (unfortunately there are still a lot of work to do on it). They developed a software transactional memory called rstm (in c++) .. => type "rstm" in google, then second link...09:42
bambeedownload rstm_r5.tar.gz.... => stmconfig.cpp09:43
bambeestmconfig.cpp checks platform and set optionnal features... and check deps apparently09:44
bambeeI mean why don't use portable build system or in the worst case use something like python or perl to do the check09:45
bambeethe rest is handled by gnu make apparently...09:48
bambeeps: sorry for this off-topic btw 09:49
apacheloggeruniversities like to produce pointless shit09:49
apacheloggeror say, apparently pointless shit09:49
apacheloggerwho knows09:49
apacheloggermaybe stmconfig becomes the new gnu automake09:49
apacheloggeroh, in which case it would be pointless again... :P09:49
bambeelol 09:49
apacheloggernigelb: once you are done reading the make manual you can tell shadeslayer_ all about it09:58
apacheloggerI suppose he did not yet finish it despite wanting to do that :(09:59
nigelbapachelogger: yessir09:59
nigelbI wanted to try some qt gui09:59
nigelband and some C09:59
apacheloggerC = if(*(&(****ao_ctxf++)) & iii)10:01
apacheloggerluv it10:01
apacheloggeractually there is some fun stuff in vlc10:01
apacheloggerah 10:04
apacheloggercan't find it :10:04
apachelogger*p_dest++ = ( (uint16_t)(*p_s1++) + (uint16_t)(*p_s2++) ) >> 1;10:04
apacheloggerthat one is also good10:04
apacheloggerif( !!b_old_video != !!b_video )10:05
apacheloggerthat makes you look twice10:06
apacheloggeranyone wanna translate this? :D10:06
apacheloggerif b_old_video is not not not equal to not not b_video10:07
apacheloggerit is just so awesome :D10:07
apacheloggersome people might say if b_old_video is not equal to b_video10:08
apacheloggerbut really, that is boring10:08
debfxslangasek: the qt egl abi breakage affects bindings and applications that subclass QGLContext10:33
debfxI've checked mythtv and virtualbox, both don't actually call tryVisual or chooseVisual so adding stubs should be fine10:33
Riddelldebfx: that's for arm only right?10:38
debfxRiddell: yes10:38
* apachelogger wonders who that got past the symbols file though10:40
debfxapachelogger: the qt package passes -c0 to dpkg-gensymbols10:42
apacheloggernow why does it do that10:42
* apachelogger falls off his chair10:42
apacheloggersweet baby jesus10:42
apachelogger    #ifndef NO_SKIP_PR0N10:43
apachelogger    // ;-)10:43
apachelogger    if( !(url_string.contains( QLatin1String( "porn" ), Qt::CaseInsensitive ) || url_string.contains( QLatin1String(  "pr0n" ), Qt::CaseInsensitive )) )10:43
apachelogger    #endif10:43
apachelogger<3 dragonplayer10:43
apacheloggerand I was already wondering why some of my test files do not work ;)10:48
Riddellwe should probably fix that10:49
Riddell[Qt-announce] Qt 4.7.2 has now been released10:49
apacheloggeryeah, should be a runtime option I suppose10:49
CIA-94[dragonplayer] sitter * 1223214 * trunk/KDE/kdemultimedia/dragonplayer/src/app/stateChange.cpp (log message trimmed)11:08
CIA-94when the Phonon MediaObject's video presence changed, we need to trigger a fake11:08
CIA-94state change to get QActions enabled that are depending on the presence of11:08
CIA-94[dragonplayer] sitter * 1223215 * branches/KDE/4.6/kdemultimedia/dragonplayer/src/app/stateChange.cpp backporting r122321411:11
shadeslayer_apachelogger: hallo11:26
shadeslayer_apachelogger: so like .... ksane is all fixed up, the FindKSane.cmake module remains in ksaneplugin because the guy who maintains it says that it needs to build parallel to libksane11:28
CIA-94[kdemultimedia] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110301113208-xu26pvcdhpsg907h * debian/ (3 files in 2 dirs) Add kubuntu_01_porn_in_dragon.diff making Dragon Player not skip porn files to allow for best possible user experience11:32
apacheloggershadeslayer_: do not compute that building part11:32
apacheloggertoo confusing11:32
shadeslayer_apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/610911:33
bambee"to allow for best possible user experience" => lol :D11:33
apacheloggerwords chosen wisely ^^11:34
apacheloggershadeslayer_: still do not compute11:35
apacheloggerthey cannot be compiled at the same time if one depends on the other11:35
apacheloggerthat is just silly11:35
apacheloggershadeslayer_: upstream knows best11:35
apacheloggereven if the rationale is bugged11:36
Tm_Tapachelogger: err, how dragonplayer even detects the video contents? or whatever that cmake option is supposed to change12:08
apacheloggerTm_T: if the url contains pron12:09
Tm_To  k12:10
* Tm_T is puzzled12:10
apacheloggeryou have /home/user/lovely_porn.mov12:10
apacheloggerthe url contains porn -> dragon hates you12:11
Tm_Tjust sounds bit random to filter like that12:12
apacheloggerhence we are turning it off12:16
* apachelogger shall break phonon vlc a bit12:17
apacheloggerworks way too well12:18
shadeslayer_dragon doesn't play pr0n ? :P12:18
Tm_Tit does, just not the files that contain that word12:18
shadeslayer_huh weird .. i can play files with "porn" in their names perfectly ...12:19
shadeslayer_TRON works fine12:20
apacheloggerbecause that is not what that feature does12:24
Riddellit stops it being added to the recent files list12:24
shadeslayer_*shrug* ... i'm just a user :P12:24
apacheloggersomeone would have reported a bug if it stopped you form playing it ^^12:25
Tm_Tapachelogger, Riddell, other channel ops and alike, you might find useful to join the new cabal channel12:27
Riddellthere's a new cabal channel?12:27
Tm_Tfor fight against irc issues12:28
apacheloggeris that like a sauce?12:28
Tm_Tit's not publicly logged12:28
apacheloggerI do not follow12:29
Tm_Tsee MSG12:30
apacheloggersomething caues insane sysload and I do not know what it is :O12:44
=== shadeslayer_ is now known as shadeslayer
Riddellhow's this? http://dot.kde.org/2011/03/01/project-neon-back13:34
shadeslayerare we releasing?13:36
shadeslayerlooks good13:37
shadeslayerRiddell: is it possible to move the banner in the middle?13:37
Riddellshadeslayer: if you tell me the HTML for it13:40
* shadeslayer looks it up13:40
shadeslayerRiddell: try : <center><img src="imgName.gif" alt="image description" height="100" width="100"></center>13:41
shadeslayerchanging the values as you go ofcourse 13:41
bambeeit rocks :)13:41
Riddellyuck, <center>, that's HTML from 199513:44
shadeslayerthere's <p align="center"> and <div align="center">13:44
ScottKapachelogger: The relevant meeting that's the best time to complain is tomorrow.13:45
shadeslayerand then there's <img align="value" />13:47
shadeslayerbut that's deprecated according to w3schools13:47
Riddell<img src="http://dot.kde.org/sites/dot.kde.org/files/L3N3i.png" width="550" height="100" align="center" />  not working13:47
Riddellsurely there's a CSS way of doing it13:47
shadeslayeroh yes you can easily do it in CSS13:48
Riddellstyle="align: center"  doesn't help13:48
shadeslayerimg.center {   display: block;   margin-left: auto;   margin-right: auto; }13:48
Riddellhmm, it's fildered out13:49
shadeslayer^^ CSS13:49
Riddelldrupal doesn't like it13:49
Riddellit'll have to remain where it is13:49
Riddelldon't worry, treating "every day" as one word it worse than the alignment13:49
shadeslayerhaha :D13:50
Riddellshadeslayer: shall I publish?13:53
RiddellQuintasan, yofel ^^ ?13:54
shadeslayeryofel: ^^ i suggest leaving ktorrent13:54
shadeslayerRiddell: iirc kwin is still unsable ...14:07
shadeslayerso that needs fixing first i guess14:07
yofelshadeslayer: I need to talk to mgraesslin about that (and yes leave ktorrent) - it uses system oxygen.so instead of our which doesn't match with our kwin3_oxygen.so14:26
yofelat least that's what I believe it does by now since deleting system oxygen.so makes it work fine14:26
* shadeslayer is looking at qtscriptcreator hell14:27
shadeslayerthe readme is missing stuff too14:28
shadeslayeryofel: we don't set QTDIR in neon-env14:29
shadeslayerhttp://paste.kde.org/6115 14:29
shadeslayermeh that's from stable KDE >.<14:30
yofelwell, let me try with QTDIR14:41
yofelwait... we do14:41
yofeler no, QT_PLUGIN_PATH, not QTDIR14:42
yofelok, QTDIR *is* set to /opt/project-neon - so that's not it14:43
shadeslayeryeah ... i was not in neon, i was in the stable env14:43
Riddelltsk, who broke the wiki?15:10
Quintasanyofel, shadeslayer: KWin is not working in new packages, yes?15:13
shadeslayeri haven't updated yet15:14
shadeslayerwaiting for my limit to get reset15:14
Quintasanshadeslayer: you are doing qtscriptgenerator?15:14
shadeslayeri'm trying15:14
shadeslayerhad a chat with amarok guys15:14
shadeslayerwell ... i could set LD_LIBRARY_PATH during qtscriptgenerator builds15:15
shadeslayerand then this : http://paste.kde.org/611915:16
shadeslayerQuintasan: so how about releasing neon without amarok for now?15:20
QuintasanI'm okay with this15:20
QuintasanI'm not going to delay stuff cause someone has to use some stupid magic15:20
shadeslayerokay so only the kwin issue remains15:21
shadeslayerQuintasan: i actually have to run one more command after qmake && make15:21
shadeslayerto generate the headers etc15:21
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shadeslayerok so i need a example package which has commands like cd in its debian/rules file15:43
shadeslayerany ideas which one to look at>15:43
shadeslayeroh btw15:48
shadeslayerQuintasan: i'm cheating a bit http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/qtscriptgenerator-git/PKGBUILD15:49
Riddelldoes amarok really need qtscriptgenerator from git, can it not just use the packaged version?15:49
Quintasanshadeslayer: I call it copying, but IDC if it works15:50
shadeslayerthere is no packaged version :>15:50
QuintasanRiddell: Doesnt work with our packages, dunno why, fails to discover em15:50
shadeslayerQuintasan: there is a packaged version?15:50
Quintasanapparently qtscript-* packages should be the result15:51
Quintasanbut installing them doesnt work15:51
shadeslayerQuintasan: http://paste.kde.org/612015:58
shadeslayerthat's why15:58
shadeslayerit's looking at the wrong place15:59
shadeslayeryofel: do you have a additional install of qtscriptgenerator?16:00
shadeslayerin /opt/project-neon16:00
shadeslayerbah cmake -DQT_QTSCRIPT_INCLUDE_DIR:PATH=/usr/include/qt4/QtScript  doesn't work too16:05
Quintasanoh great16:24
Quintasanmy kvm machine got corrupted and I gotta reinstall it16:24
Riddellwho knows if this is binary compatible? http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/4.6/kdenetwork/kopete/libkopete/kopeteaccountmanager.h?r1=1208598&r2=121950216:38
shadeslayerso like .... any ideas where find_package( QtScriptQtBindings REQUIRED ) looks for the file that tells it where the qtscriptcreator bindings are?16:39
Riddellshadeslayer: you need to look in FindQtScriptQtBindings.cmake16:39
shadeslayerwell what do you know16:40
shadeslayerno  FindQtScriptQtBindings.cmake16:40
shadeslayeratleast not on yofel's thinkpad16:40
c2tarunhey guys, how can anyone join the team kubuntu-ninjas on LP?16:40
shadeslayer!find  FindQtScriptQtBindings.cmake16:41
Riddellc2tarun: you just need to prove you know how to handle the power16:41
ubottuPackage/file FindQtScriptQtBindings.cmake does not exist in maverick16:41
c2tarunRiddell: what power? there is nothing about it on LP page :(16:41
Riddellshadeslayer: amarok-2.4.0/cmake/modules/FindQtScriptQtBindings.cmake16:41
Riddellc2tarun: the power to help package KDE releases16:42
debfxRiddell: that is not binary compatible16:42
shadeslayerand this is where i get lost trying to read the CMake Module16:42
c2tarunRiddell: hmm.... ok, so fixing ftbfs for KDE packages will work?16:42
Riddellc2tarun: no, it's specificly for packaging the forthcoming releases, currently 4.6.116:42
Riddellsee https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging for the current status16:43
Riddellbonjour hrw 16:43
Riddellc2tarun: if you want to help you might be able to steal kdeplasma-addons or kdeartwork off yofel 16:44
c2tarunRiddell: i'll try :)16:44
Riddellyofel: where are you with kdeplasma-addons or kdeartwork?16:45
Riddellc2tarun: do you have a natty build environment?16:45
hrwdoes someone know why kmail started to crash on imap recently?16:46
c2tarunRiddell: yup16:46
Riddellc2tarun: where's your ssh key?16:48
c2tarunRiddell: https://launchpad.net/~c2tarun16:48
Riddellc2tarun: ssh ftpubuntu@ktown.kde.org16:50
Riddellin stable/4.6.1/src you'll find the tars16:50
Riddellif you want to steal kdeplasma-addons or kdeartwork off yofel (at the risk that he's already done them and it would be duplicating the work) you can16:51
Riddellyou could also start on kdelibs for maverick16:51
Riddellkeep https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging up to date16:51
c2tarunRiddell: sorry to ask but what I am doing? I mean I am not getting what do you mean by stealing kdeplasma-addons?16:52
Riddellc2tarun: yofel has marked himself as packaging kdeplasma-addons, but that was a while ago and he hasn't uploaded it so maybe he never started or never finished it16:53
c2tarunRiddell: ok, I got it :(16:53
c2tarunsorr for wrong smily16:54
c2tarunRiddell: Is it possible to copy to tarball on my system and do the work? I mean nothing is installed on that system. (Or I am doing something wrong)17:00
Riddellc2tarun: yes, that's the intention17:01
Riddellscp ftpubuntu@ktown.kde.org:path/to/file .17:01
shadeslayerso cmake/modules/bindingstest/QtScriptBindingsTest.cpp finds the bindings17:02
c2tarunRiddell: is something is wrong with the scp syntax?17:02
Riddellc2tarun: how do you mean?17:03
c2tarunlook at the terminal :/ I executed and got error.17:03
c2tarunRiddell: sorry got it :)17:04
c2tarunRiddell: nope didn't got it :(17:04
c2tarunRiddell: need help17:04
shadeslayer*very* interesting http://paste.kde.org/612717:05
shadeslayerRiddell: ^^ some help with that now :D17:05
Riddellhrw: kmail hasn't been updated in weeks17:06
Riddellshadeslayer: install libqtscript4-core ?17:07
c2tarunRiddell: ya its downloading now. :) I'll pack it soon17:07
shadeslayerfor some reason yofel's thinkpad does not have libqtscript_core.so in /opt/project-neon17:08
debfxRiddell: bug #725959 seems to be XInput 2.1 related17:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 725959 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) "libqt4 4:4.7.1-0ubuntu10, 11 and 12 produce segfault in VirtualBox (libqtgui4)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72595917:19
shadeslayerwould Build-Depends-Indep: signify that the build depend after this line is a Arch independent package?17:21
shadeslayerfor eg      Build-Depends-Indep: texinfo17:21
Riddelldebfx: ug17:22
c2tarunRiddell: it'll take some time, I have very slow internet connection and I have to download dependencies of worth 141MB i'll pack but just need some time.17:27
Riddellc2tarun: I can set up an ec2 machine if you want17:27
c2tarunRiddell: wow... that'll be grt :) please17:27
Riddellc2tarun: ssh ubuntu@ec2-50-17-34-207.compute-1.amazonaws.com17:29
yofelRiddell: I have it finished17:29
c2tarunRiddell: wow... he finished :/ is there anyother package?17:30
bambeewhy python-qt4 must be packaged by the way ? I mean the lastest version is not 4.8.3 ?17:31
shadeslayerok what next .. hmm .. 17:31
Riddellyofel: best upload then :)17:32
yofelwas waiting for you to finish edu and workspace as I couldn't build it without that17:32
bambee(or I did not understand something...)17:32
yofelI'll upload anyway17:32
Riddellbambee: it doesn't why do you think it does?17:33
Riddellyofel: they're in now17:33
bambeeRiddell: huh ? 17:34
c2tarunRiddell: anything left for me? :/17:35
Riddellbambee: python-qt4 doesn't need to be packaged, we have the latest version in17:35
Riddellc2tarun: all of maverick!17:35
bambeeRiddell: ohh ok17:35
c2tarunRiddell: the ec2 machine is it maverick or natty?17:36
Riddellc2tarun: it's natty17:36
Riddellc2tarun: I can set up a maverick one17:37
c2tarunRiddell: sure :) 17:37
Riddellc2tarun: which package do you want to start with?  how about kdetoys being super easy?17:37
c2tarunRiddell: ya sure :) 17:37
c2tarunRiddell: on that ec2 machine I think someone did kdetoys.17:39
Riddellyes I did kdetoys for natty on that one17:40
c2tarunRiddell: ok, so I have to do for mav?17:40
Riddellc2tarun: ssh ubuntu@ec2-50-16-53-139.compute-1.amazonaws.com17:41
Riddelladd the ninjas PPA I just msg'ed to you17:42
Riddellthat's the source for natty so you can  apt-get source kdetoys from natty17:42
Riddellthen dch -i and add a ~maverick1~ppa1 version, set the release to maverick17:42
Riddellyou'll need to   apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports   too17:43
Riddellthen build it17:43
Riddell** alpha 3 candidate images needing testing! http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/17:53
claydohRiddell: been out of the loop, what's new in alpha3 from a2? 17:57
* claydoh thinks release notes17:57
Riddellclaydoh: bambee's all improved language selector, now a kcontrol module17:57
Riddellclaydoh: lots of bugs fixes in system-config-printer-kde17:57
claydohnice, is filesharing module in there too?17:58
Riddellclaydoh: oh aye, working filesharing with samba thanks to rbelem 17:58
bambeemhhh... images testing looks fun , why not :)18:00
Riddellgreat, thanks bambee 18:01
bambeeyou're welcome ;)18:01
* c2tarun wow... it feels awesome to use a system with downloading speed 11MB/s (mine is 30 KB/s) ;(18:04
tazzping Riddell 18:04
tazzmay i pm ?18:04
shadeslayerc2tarun: yeah :D18:05
Riddelltazz: yes18:05
yofelc2tarun: what are you working on?18:10
c2tarunyofel: kdetoys for maverick 18:10
yofelc2tarun: mark that as taken then please https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging18:10
c2tarunyofel: how to mark that? 18:11
yofelc2tarun: edit the wiki page and add your name like we did in the other columns18:11
yofelRiddell: does ninjas depend on backports?18:12
yofelhm, no18:13
Riddellyofel: I cleared out ninjas, it was getting messy18:13
* yofel goes copying packages18:13
Riddellso there's probably some dependencies that should be copies over18:13
yofelRiddell: is there a reason why we have akonadi 1.4.90 in maverick? Or did we just forget that?18:15
Riddellyofel: I think it was just forgotten18:15
yofelI'll backport 1.5 then18:16
claydohhmm system-config-printer-kde is broken in systemsettings?18:24
bambeemhhh indeed it just crashes here18:26
claydohthe service 'printer Configuration' does not provide an interface 'KCModule'....bla bla18:26
bambeeclaydoh: try "kcmshell4 system-config-printer-kde" from a terminal => backtrace18:27
bambee"importError"  18:28
yofelwhich release?18:28
bambeeauthconn is unknow18:28
Riddelloh I think pysmb and authconn isn't in the package18:28
RiddellI fixed that with 4.6.1 in ninjas18:28
bambeeok great :)18:28
claydohtoo slow I be :)18:30
Riddellyou'll need to grab them from the packaging and copy to /usr/share/kde4/apps/system-config-printer-kde/ for now18:31
shadeslayerRiddell: the build still fails with the exact same error18:32
shadeslayereven tho i have that lib installed now18:32
Riddellclaydoh: skaet_ asks can you go in and update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview for A318:36
claydohRiddell:  sure18:38
debfxwe should just remove all kde3 applications now, people are wasting their time fixing build errors in these packages ...19:02
ryanakcaDebian's getting rid of all of them by next release, if I'm not mistaken.19:04
debfxRiddell: there are already a bunch of removal requests in the archive admin queue19:05
RiddellI'm doing those right now19:05
debfxi'll compile a list of the remaining packages19:06
Riddellremovals are slow to do, not scripted :(19:06
shadeslayerhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/ProjectNeon/Issues :(19:06
Riddellshadeslayer: qtscriptgenerator is evil19:09
shadeslayernow to read up on DBus19:11
shadeslayerRiddell: at least now the issue is well documented19:11
shadeslayerinstead of being : It doesn't work :<19:12
shadeslayerRiddell: btw new rekonq alpha out19:12
debfxshadeslayer: you should convince the amarok team to get rid of qtscriptgenerator ;)19:12
shadeslayerdebfx: i'm swamped with stuff :P19:13
Riddellshadeslayer: so I see19:13
shadeslayerRiddell: raster graphics are ON by default now19:13
shadeslayersomething that we surely don't want ... as debfx advised19:13
shadeslayerbut ... there are some critical bugs that were fixed right after release .. so i'd say skip releasing this one into the archives19:14
shadeslayerfor eg kde bug 26731619:14
ubottuKDE bug 267316 in general "rekonq crashes when using shortcuts" [Crash,Resolved: fixed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26731619:14
shadeslayerand kde bug 26100319:14
ubottuKDE bug 261003 in general "two blank separated words in location field make rekonq crash" [Crash,Resolved: fixed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26100319:15
Riddellshadeslayer: so wait for next alpha?19:15
shadeslayeri'd advise so19:15
Riddellwho's all coming to Budapest?19:15
debfxshadeslayer: I don't understand why rekonq enables raster, either it works and should be enabled system-wide or it doesn't19:15
* shadeslayer didn't even apply :P19:15
Riddellbambee, rbelem, debfx, shadeslayer, yofel, Quintasan, claydoh, c2tarun, sponsorship form now open! http://uds.ubuntu.com/participate/sponsorship/19:16
shadeslayerdebfx: i have no idea, Andrea just enabled it in one commit and sent us a email later on19:16
* yofel isn't coming19:16
shadeslayerRiddell: i haz major exams19:16
shadeslayercan't come19:16
bambeeRiddell: :D19:16
claydohuds? Me??19:17
Riddellwe need all the kubuntu people we can get!19:17
shadeslayerRiddell: i'm thinking of coming to the Desktop SUmmit tho19:17
shadeslayer*that* is something i can easily attend19:17
* Riddell wanders out19:18
shadeslayeri'm out for a bit too19:19
c2tarunRiddell: what should I write in about yourself? I mean how can I check what I have uploaded or other stuffs?19:23
macoc2tarun: look on your lp19:23
macothere's a "related software and packages" link19:23
bambeeaarfff 9-13 May I can't :'(19:23
c2tarunone more thing, as last date is 29march may be I can fix some more packages and mention them too? will it help?19:25
c2tarunmaco: ^^19:26
macocouldnt hurt19:26
c2tarunmaco: ok :) than i'll fill it later thanks a lot for telling 19:27
QuintasanRiddell: I filled it just after jcastro announced it :)19:33
Quintasanyofel: How's KWin going?19:34
yofelno progress, was busy packaging19:34
c2tarunwhat's a private ppa?19:42
genii-aroundRunning 64bit Natty , Kubuntu ppa. kubuntu-debug-installer-dbg is installed but when KDE Crash Handler itself crashes, says that debug libraries for drkonqi are not installed. Usually it is plasma crashing first, then the crash handler itself goes19:52
yofelc2tarun: a PPA that's only accessible by the Owner19:52
c2tarunyofel: ok, so on the page which contains the private ppa for kubuntu ninjas, which one should I add?19:55
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yofelgenii-around: I'm getting a lot of plasma crashes too since yesterday - something from19:55
yofel#6  QETWidget::translateXI2Event (this=0x16b55c0, event=<value optimized out>) at kernel/qapplication_x11.cpp:525019:55
yofelc2tarun: you mean to add the PPA to your sources?19:56
c2tarunyofel: yup19:56
c2tarunone more problem, few seconds back I got a mail (may be from the mailing list) that kdetoys build failed. But I just packed it and checked, it was building properly. Why so?19:59
yofelc2tarun: to get the correct link, you need to go to your profile - click on "View your private PPA subscriptions" - then on "View" and there you'll find the correct source lines19:59
yofelc2tarun: that package is for maverick, we don't have all build depends in the PPA yet, and you probably  built it on natty20:00
yofelc2tarun: you need to follow https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/DependencyGraph when building, or things will fail20:00
c2tarunyofel: nope, I build it on maverick only. for natty it was build by Riddell20:01
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yofelc2tarun: you built in for maverick in a clean pbuilder?20:02
c2tarunyofel: ya, but I also added a private ppa on that machine, may be that ppa has all the dependencies.20:02
yofelno, it doesn't. At least not for maverick20:03
yofeland if you look at the buildlog:20:04
yofelThe following packages have unmet dependencies:20:04
yofel kde-sc-dev-latest : Breaks: kdebase-workspace-dev (< 4:4.6.1) but 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu8 is to be installed20:04
yofel kdebase-workspace-dev : Depends: kdelibs5-dev (>= 4:4.5.1) but it is not going to be installed20:04
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Quintasanyofel: wtf, does plasma crash so much for you too?20:14
yofelyep, Riddell uploaded some XI2 patch in qt ubuntu12 which I installed just now, so I hope it helps20:15
genii-aroundHe has to be one of the busiest guys. His name is in almost every changelog I see20:15
Quintasangenii-around: Yeah, because we're all talk here a Riddell actually gets stuff done :P20:16
Quintasanlike with qtscriptgenerator20:17
Quintasan"We have to do this"20:17
Quintasan"BUT I DON'T WANT TO TOUCH IT T_T"20:17
QuintasanWell, I'm no better, after seeing make output I just headdesk'd and logged out :D20:18
QuintasanCrap, I should be doing my homework instead of wasting time here20:19
genii-aroundThere was a time when i did some programming, but not any more. Not since like Borland C  version 3 or 420:19
bambeemhhh... how did you get back /var/log/syslog from a guest system without mount.vboxfs ?20:55
kubotubambee meant: "mhhh... how do you get back /var/log/syslog from a guest system without mount.vboxfs ?"20:55
bambeekubotu: xD20:56
debfxbambee: copy'n'paste :)20:57
bambeefrom a tty guest system ? 20:57
debfxbambee: pastebinit /var/log/syslog20:59
bambeedebfx: so I must add universe repositories  (from kubuntu live cd)21:02
debfxbambee: universe isn't enabled by default? :O21:03
bambeejust main21:03
debfxthat doesn't seem right21:03
bambeemain and restricted 21:04
bambeeother are commented21:04
bambeehowever pastebinit is a good idea :)21:08
JontheEchidnaRiddell: thanks for the removals22:06
JontheEchidnaHmm, where's bambee gone off to?22:07
JontheEchidna~seen bambee22:07
kubotu_bambee was last seen 15 minutes and 15 seconds ago, quitting IRC (Remote host closed the connection) and a while before saying "however pastebinit is a good idea :)" in #kubuntu-devel22:07
JontheEchidnadoh, just missed him22:07
JontheEchidna^tarball fail22:12
debfxJontheEchidna: when you are uploading kde4 ports, remove the package from bug #72738622:14
ubottuLaunchpad bug 727386 in Ubuntu "Please remove several kde3 packages (source and binary)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72738622:14
JontheEchidnalololol, kannasaver's kde3 package compat is 422:15
JontheEchidnahmm, has tab completion for pbuilder broken for anyone else?22:22
yofelit was "fixed"22:23
yofelworks fine if you use --build, but not for build22:23
genii-aroundSo if I don't want to annoy the guys at bugs.kde.org can I just copy the crash info from KDE Crash Handler and file it at launchpad instead?22:50
genii-around( or if it gets filed there as from a Kubuntu dist does it get shuffled along anyhow? )22:52
apacheloggerwhen do we switch kubuntu to gnome3?22:54
tsimpsongenii-around: if it's a crash, it's likely the guys at bugs.kde.org will want to know about it22:56
apacheloggersoftware produced by the mighty empire of KDE does not crash!22:57
tsimpsons/crash/elegant non-success/22:57
kubotu_tsimpson meant: "genii-around: if it's a elegant non-success, it's likely the guys at bugs.kde.org will want to know about it"22:57
apacheloggergenii-around: what crashed?22:58
apacheloggerdo we have packages for qtcreator 2.1 already?23:01
yofel!info qtcreator natty23:02
ubottuqtcreator (source: qtcreator): lightweight integrated development environment (IDE) for Qt. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.1.0~rc1-0ubuntu1 (natty), package size 10571 kB, installed size 30356 kB23:02
apacheloggerthat makes apachelogger sad23:02
yofelapt-cache says 2.1.0-0ubuntu1 though...23:03
yofelstupid bot23:03
apacheloggerI need maverick anyway ^^23:04
tsimpsondon't blame the bot if it's a few hours out of date23:06
apacheloggertsimpson: the bot could query launchpad ^^23:07
tsimpsonand by "a few", I mean less than 24, as it's a daily cron job23:07
tsimpsonit could, but that would be work23:07
tsimpsonand it'd break the debian part of it23:07
apacheloggergood point23:07
apacheloggernvm :D23:08
apacheloggertsimpson: surely there is a way to ahve 2 plugins?23:08
apacheloggerI mean, doing the plugin is probably the bigger problem :)23:08
tsimpsonsure, but not 2 plugins with the same command23:08
apacheloggertsimpson: so it is a stupid bot :P23:08
tsimpsonsupybot maybe, but not my ubottu :)23:09
apacheloggerwell, surely it coudl also be done in one plugin, no?23:09
tsimpsonit could have a list of ubuntu releases which it would check LP for, and use apt for debian/other distros23:10
tsimpsonbut that's hackety-hack23:10
apacheloggerthe bot is way too useful anyway23:11
apacheloggerit needs a plugin for like ... random bad german punk music on youtube or something23:11
apacheloggeror to quote confucius23:12
tsimpsonsomeone, somewhere, will have undoubtedly made such a plugin23:12
apacheloggerrbot surely got one :P :P :P23:12
tsimpsondon't tell anyone, but I'd like to ditch supybot for rbot one day too :)23:13
apacheloggerand it needs a map plugin23:13
apacheloggerdidnt someone want me to do that some time23:13
apacheloggerone of them projects I never started ^^23:14
apacheloggerrbelem: map vienna, austria23:14
apacheloggerrbelem: sry23:14
apacheloggerkubotu_: map vienna, austria23:14
apacheloggerkubotu_: what is with the suffix?23:14
tsimpsonprobably all the netsplits we had23:15
apacheloggerrbot should autoswitch to the standard nick ever so often23:15
apacheloggerno idea why it does not work23:15
apacheloggermaybe I messed up the config ^^23:15
tsimpsondoes it have nick protection on?23:16
tsimpsonservices also went mad over the splits, it's possible that NS locked the nick23:16
tsimpsonor when the 2 sides of the split rejoined it though there was already a kubotu nick in use23:17
tsimpson(splits mess bots up)23:17
apacheloggerkubotu_: restart23:17
* apachelogger needs to look at the n900 kernel tomorrow23:18
macokubotu:  map vienna, virginia23:18
macooh come on, thats no way to mess with apachelogger's head!23:18
apacheloggerjust takes time to init all the useless plugins23:18
apacheloggerkubotu: ping23:18
apacheloggerup to speed we are again23:18
apacheloggeraustrian vienna got 3dish house shapes23:19
apacheloggerhelps to find out where vienna stops mattering as the 3dish things end :D23:19
apacheloggerI see FTBFS23:24

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