[00:01]  * apachelogger is not sure whether he will be there :)
[01:13] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: but, you have soooo omany good idea.s
[01:13] <DarkwingDuck> *ideas
[01:25] <DarkwingDuck> What kernal are we shipping with 11.04?
[01:25] <DarkwingDuck> 2.6.38?
[01:27] <yofel> yep
[01:30] <DarkwingDuck> Thanks. I'll dig for the rest of the specs
[01:52] <valorie> what? no apachelogger at UDS?
[01:52]  * valorie isn't sure about coming either
[01:53] <valorie> if I get sponsored, great
[01:53] <valorie> if not......
[02:46] <DarkwingDuck> Do we have tech specs for Natty?
[02:46] <DarkwingDuck> AKA versions of what is shipping? gcc, python ect
[02:47] <DarkwingDuck> glibc
[02:56] <yofel> there was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDSProceedings/N/Final 
[02:56] <yofel> but for the versions probably best to query the archive
[02:57] <DarkwingDuck> Aye
[02:58] <DarkwingDuck> I'm update that lot int eh documentation
[02:58] <DarkwingDuck> *in the
[02:58] <DarkwingDuck> thanks yofel 
[03:06] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: ping
[03:08] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: yo yo
[03:08] <DarkwingDuck> Question of the CC-BA-SA on the docs.
[03:08] <DarkwingDuck> Do we update the Licence when CC does?
[03:09] <nixternal> no, the ubuntu documentation project would have to vote on it, but it needs to be updated to cc-by-sa 3.0
[03:09] <DarkwingDuck> 3.0? Roger.
[03:09] <nixternal> has ubuntu-docs switched to 3.0?
[03:09] <nixternal> if so, just steal their cc-by-sa.xml file, otherwise that will be fun to create
[03:10] <DarkwingDuck> I don't know...
[03:10] <nixternal> heh, your text message killed my phone :)
[03:12] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[03:14]  * DarkwingDuck is debating on getting a XOOM
[03:17] <nixternal> i am waiting for mine now
[03:18] <DarkwingDuck> I got to play with one at the conference this last weekend and ohhhhhhhhhhh yeah
[03:19] <nixternal> it is bad ass
[03:21] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: Ubuntu Docs is still 2.5
[03:21] <valorie> we need some companies giving out hardware to developers!
[03:21] <DarkwingDuck> They do... you just need to know who.
[03:22] <nixternal> that's how i am getting my xoom
[03:22] <nixternal> otherwise i wouldn't buy one, not worth it
[03:22] <valorie> well, I'm no developer
[03:23] <nixternal> ipads, xooms, all of them, overpriced and damn near over rated
[03:23] <valorie> and probably wouldn't even use one
[03:23] <valorie> a kindle, maybe
[03:23] <nixternal> my mom just got a kindle and loves it
[03:24] <valorie> I hate that they are all still locked down
[03:24] <valorie> unfree
[03:24] <valorie> etc.
[03:24] <nixternal> the pros on it are you can get most books for much cheaper. see, i don't read books much, and if spending $140 for a kindle will save me $20 over the life of it, then it is worthless to me as well
[03:24] <DarkwingDuck> AFAIK they will be releasing an XOOM that is unlocked bootloader
[03:24] <valorie> but traveling with a kindle vs. a laptop AND books sounds like a win
[03:24] <valorie> I do read books
[03:25] <valorie> mostly from the library though
[03:25] <valorie> more and more are available as files, though
[03:26] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: no, it is a locked bootloader
[03:26] <nixternal> motorola will never ship anything unlocked, as a matter of fact, they are the worst when it comes to locking their shit down. tis the reason you don't see gingerbread on the droid2 line because of the bootstrap
[03:27] <DarkwingDuck> But, I am running on my Droid1
[03:27] <DarkwingDuck> :P
[03:28] <nixternal> that's before they started bootstrapping
[03:28] <DarkwingDuck> Oh I know
[03:28] <DarkwingDuck> When does HTC release their tablet
[03:29] <nixternal> no idea. hopefully they cut their prices in half
[03:29] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah right.
[03:29] <DarkwingDuck> like they did with their phones? :P
[03:30] <valorie> they can't really compete on price with Apple
[03:30] <valorie> because Apple sells directly to consumers
[03:30] <valorie> so they make enormous profit on each device
[03:30] <valorie> no one else can do that
[03:31] <valorie> everyone thought their Apple stores were stupid
[03:31] <valorie> but that is what will save them in the long run
[03:31] <valorie> or at least the middle run
[03:31] <valorie> :-)
[03:31]  * DarkwingDuck shrugs
[03:32] <DarkwingDuck> Apple has about 4 more years before it bites the dust.
[03:32] <valorie> could be
[03:32] <valorie> they can't have all the "next big things"
[03:32] <nixternal> valorie: they make the same money on the ipad and iphone through the apple store compared to at&t store adn verizon stores as well. that's why verizon took so long getting them on board
[03:33] <DarkwingDuck> Steve Jobs is Apple... if Jobs leaves then Apple will go with it
[03:33] <nixternal> they split the price of the phone 50/50 with the carrier now
[03:33] <valorie> he's left, and is dying
[03:33] <DarkwingDuck> and he has about 3 years of R&D to burn through then it's over IMO...
[03:33] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: yeah, you can count steve jobs out, he is done
[03:33] <DarkwingDuck> It's what happened last time
[03:33] <valorie> I guess we can only watch and wait
[03:33] <DarkwingDuck> Aye
[03:34] <DarkwingDuck> Although, I am debating on getting a used iPad
[03:34] <valorie> those who have 'em, seem to love 'em......
[03:35] <valorie> two of my boys have iPhones, which they love as well
[03:35] <valorie> but they don't care about freedom
[03:35] <nixternal> and those who have 'em seriously think they can get work done on them. if you can get work done on an ipad, then you aren't imporant, your job is a joke :D
[03:35] <valorie> unless it's development for iPad, in which case you would want it for testing
[03:37] <DarkwingDuck> All those arguments could be made with any tablets
[03:37] <nixternal> i watched a guy on the train try and be cool and do some ruby programming...he thought he was hot shit. i shut him up by saying "all you are doing is proving ruby is a joke too"
[03:37] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[03:40] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: http://cgi.ebay.com/Motorola-Xoom-32-GB-Tablet-3g-Wifi-Android-NEW-/230591124247?pt=US_Tablets&hash=item35b04d5317
[03:41] <nixternal> Shipping:$639.99 Standard Shipping 
[03:41] <nixternal> wtf?
[03:41] <nixternal> $640 for shipping
[03:42] <valorie> gotta be a misprint
[03:42] <valorie> maybe $40?
[03:42] <valorie> with insurance and such
[03:43] <valorie> I could fly to Caspar WY and back for $640
[03:43] <valorie> Casper
[03:47] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[03:47] <DarkwingDuck> No, that's how they can sell it for 299
[03:48] <DarkwingDuck> They charge the remaining in shipping.
[03:49] <valorie> oh good grief
[03:56] <DarkwingDuck> gcc 4.5 and python 2.7.1
[03:56] <DarkwingDuck> Now I just need to find the glibc version
[03:59] <nixternal> !info glibc
[03:59] <nixternal> !info libglib2.0-0
[04:00] <nixternal> !info libglib2.0-0 natty
[04:00] <nixternal> can't remember how to do that
[04:00] <nixternal> well, that's how you do that :)
[04:00] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: ^^ there you go
[04:01] <nixternal> need to go chill for a bit
[04:01] <DarkwingDuck> I'm looking for Natty but, I found it.
[04:02] <DarkwingDuck> !info eglibc-source
[04:02] <DarkwingDuck> !info eglibc-source natty
[04:03] <DarkwingDuck> 2.13
[04:03] <DarkwingDuck> Got it
[04:07] <DarkwingDuck> Whoot!
[04:07] <DarkwingDuck> Revision 200
[06:57] <Tm_T> ScottK: yup, jockey suggests b43 firmware for my ibook in Maverick
[08:40] <bambee> morning
[09:08] <apachelogger> apparently they were using english in revision 200 already :D
[09:08] <apachelogger> rev 1
[09:08] <apachelogger> awww
[09:08] <apachelogger> at some point it was german
[09:08] <apachelogger> rev 2
[09:08] <apachelogger> rev 10
[09:08]  * apachelogger waves fist at ubottu and consults with the shower
[09:10] <apachelogger> ah
[09:10] <apachelogger> rev 5
[09:10] <bambee> Ohh jesus... I'm reading a code... they coded a tiny buildsystem in c++ xD... fooconfig.cpp => it checks everything, platform, deps etc...
[09:10] <bambee> seriously it's ugly o_O
[09:11]  * bambee will hang himself...
[09:38] <apachelogger> bambee: who?
[09:38] <apachelogger> or .... where?
[09:42] <bambee> apachelogger: rochester university works on transactional memory in HPC (unfortunately there are still a lot of work to do on it). They developed a software transactional memory called rstm (in c++) .. => type "rstm" in google, then second link...
[09:43] <bambee> download rstm_r5.tar.gz.... => stmconfig.cpp
[09:43] <bambee> xD
[09:44] <bambee> stmconfig.cpp checks platform and set optionnal features... and check deps apparently
[09:45] <bambee> I mean why don't use portable build system or in the worst case use something like python or perl to do the check
[09:48] <bambee> the rest is handled by gnu make apparently...
[09:49] <apachelogger> well
[09:49] <bambee> ps: sorry for this off-topic btw 
[09:49] <apachelogger> universities like to produce pointless shit
[09:49] <apachelogger> or say, apparently pointless shit
[09:49] <apachelogger> who knows
[09:49] <apachelogger> maybe stmconfig becomes the new gnu automake
[09:49] <apachelogger> oh, in which case it would be pointless again... :P
[09:49] <bambee> :D
[09:49] <bambee> lol 
[09:58] <apachelogger> nigelb: once you are done reading the make manual you can tell shadeslayer_ all about it
[09:59] <apachelogger> I suppose he did not yet finish it despite wanting to do that :(
[09:59] <nigelb> apachelogger: yessir
[09:59] <nigelb> I wanted to try some qt gui
[09:59] <nigelb> and and some C
[10:01] <apachelogger> C = if(*(&(****ao_ctxf++)) & iii)
[10:01] <apachelogger> luv it
[10:01] <apachelogger> actually there is some fun stuff in vlc
[10:04] <apachelogger> ah 
[10:04] <apachelogger> can't find it :
[10:04] <apachelogger> *p_dest++ = ( (uint16_t)(*p_s1++) + (uint16_t)(*p_s2++) ) >> 1;
[10:04] <apachelogger> that one is also good
[10:05] <apachelogger> ah
[10:05] <apachelogger> if( !!b_old_video != !!b_video )
[10:06] <apachelogger> that makes you look twice
[10:06] <apachelogger> anyone wanna translate this? :D
[10:06] <nigelb> lol
[10:07] <apachelogger> if b_old_video is not not not equal to not not b_video
[10:07] <apachelogger> it is just so awesome :D
[10:08] <apachelogger> some people might say if b_old_video is not equal to b_video
[10:08] <apachelogger> but really, that is boring
[10:33] <debfx> slangasek: the qt egl abi breakage affects bindings and applications that subclass QGLContext
[10:33] <debfx> I've checked mythtv and virtualbox, both don't actually call tryVisual or chooseVisual so adding stubs should be fine
[10:38] <Riddell> debfx: that's for arm only right?
[10:38] <debfx> Riddell: yes
[10:40]  * apachelogger wonders who that got past the symbols file though
[10:41] <apachelogger> s/who/how
[10:42] <debfx> apachelogger: the qt package passes -c0 to dpkg-gensymbols
[10:42] <apachelogger> now why does it do that
[10:42] <apachelogger> ah
[10:42] <apachelogger> oh
[10:42] <apachelogger> uh
[10:42]  * apachelogger falls off his chair
[10:42] <apachelogger> sweet baby jesus
[10:43] <apachelogger> rofl
[10:43] <apachelogger>     #ifndef NO_SKIP_PR0N
[10:43] <apachelogger>     // ;-)
[10:43] <apachelogger>     if( !(url_string.contains( QLatin1String( "porn" ), Qt::CaseInsensitive ) || url_string.contains( QLatin1String(  "pr0n" ), Qt::CaseInsensitive )) )
[10:43] <apachelogger>     #endif
[10:43] <apachelogger> <3 dragonplayer
[10:47] <Riddell> umm
[10:48] <apachelogger> and I was already wondering why some of my test files do not work ;)
[10:49] <Riddell> crazy
[10:49] <Riddell> we should probably fix that
[10:49] <Riddell> [Qt-announce] Qt 4.7.2 has now been released
[10:49] <apachelogger> yeah, should be a runtime option I suppose
[11:08] <CIA-94> [dragonplayer] sitter * 1223214 * trunk/KDE/kdemultimedia/dragonplayer/src/app/stateChange.cpp (log message trimmed)
[11:08] <CIA-94> when the Phonon MediaObject's video presence changed, we need to trigger a fake
[11:08] <CIA-94> state change to get QActions enabled that are depending on the presence of
[11:11] <CIA-94> [dragonplayer] sitter * 1223215 * branches/KDE/4.6/kdemultimedia/dragonplayer/src/app/stateChange.cpp backporting r1223214
[11:26] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: hallo
[11:28] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: so like .... ksane is all fixed up, the FindKSane.cmake module remains in ksaneplugin because the guy who maintains it says that it needs to build parallel to libksane
[11:32] <CIA-94> [kdemultimedia] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110301113208-xu26pvcdhpsg907h * debian/ (3 files in 2 dirs) Add kubuntu_01_porn_in_dragon.diff making Dragon Player not skip porn files to allow for best possible user experience
[11:32] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: do not compute that building part
[11:32] <apachelogger> too confusing
[11:33] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/6109
[11:33] <bambee> "to allow for best possible user experience" => lol :D
[11:34] <debfx> ^^
[11:34] <shadeslayer_> hah
[11:34] <bambee> ^^
[11:34] <apachelogger> words chosen wisely ^^
[11:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: still do not compute
[11:35] <apachelogger> they cannot be compiled at the same time if one depends on the other
[11:35] <apachelogger> that is just silly
[11:35] <apachelogger> well
[11:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: upstream knows best
[11:36] <shadeslayer_> aye
[11:36] <apachelogger> even if the rationale is bugged
[12:08] <Tm_T> apachelogger: err, how dragonplayer even detects the video contents? or whatever that cmake option is supposed to change
[12:09] <apachelogger> Tm_T: if the url contains pron
[12:10] <Tm_T> o  k
[12:10]  * Tm_T is puzzled
[12:10] <apachelogger> you have /home/user/lovely_porn.mov
[12:11] <apachelogger> the url contains porn -> dragon hates you
[12:12] <Tm_T> /home/user/kernelbuilding-linuxmans_porn.ogv
[12:12] <Tm_T> just sounds bit random to filter like that
[12:16] <apachelogger> hence we are turning it off
[12:17] <Tm_T> yup
[12:17] <shadeslayer_> what
[12:17]  * apachelogger shall break phonon vlc a bit
[12:18] <apachelogger> works way too well
[12:18] <shadeslayer_> dragon doesn't play pr0n ? :P
[12:18] <Tm_T> it does, just not the files that contain that word
[12:19] <shadeslayer_> huh weird .. i can play files with "porn" in their names perfectly ...
[12:20] <shadeslayer_> TRON works fine
[12:24] <apachelogger> because that is not what that feature does
[12:24] <Riddell> it stops it being added to the recent files list
[12:24] <shadeslayer_> *shrug* ... i'm just a user :P
[12:24] <shadeslayer_> ah
[12:25] <apachelogger> someone would have reported a bug if it stopped you form playing it ^^
[12:26] <Tm_T> heh
[12:27] <Tm_T> apachelogger, Riddell, other channel ops and alike, you might find useful to join the new cabal channel
[12:27] <Riddell> there's a new cabal channel?
[12:28] <Tm_T> for fight against irc issues
[12:28] <apachelogger> cabal?
[12:28] <apachelogger> is that like a sauce?
[12:28] <Tm_T> it's not publicly logged
[12:29] <apachelogger> I do not follow
[12:30] <Tm_T> see MSG
[12:44] <apachelogger> something caues insane sysload and I do not know what it is :O
[13:34] <Riddell> how's this? http://dot.kde.org/2011/03/01/project-neon-back
[13:36] <shadeslayer> OMG
[13:36] <shadeslayer> are we releasing?
[13:37] <shadeslayer> looks good
[13:37] <shadeslayer> um
[13:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: is it possible to move the banner in the middle?
[13:40] <Riddell> shadeslayer: if you tell me the HTML for it
[13:40]  * shadeslayer looks it up
[13:41] <shadeslayer> Riddell: try : <center><img src="imgName.gif" alt="image description" height="100" width="100"></center>
[13:41] <shadeslayer> changing the values as you go ofcourse 
[13:41] <bambee> it rocks :)
[13:41] <shadeslayer> :D
[13:44] <Riddell> yuck, <center>, that's HTML from 1995
[13:44] <shadeslayer> there's <p align="center"> and <div align="center">
[13:45] <ScottK> apachelogger: The relevant meeting that's the best time to complain is tomorrow.
[13:47] <shadeslayer> and then there's <img align="value" />
[13:47] <shadeslayer> but that's deprecated according to w3schools
[13:47] <Riddell> <img src="http://dot.kde.org/sites/dot.kde.org/files/L3N3i.png" width="550" height="100" align="center" />  not working
[13:47] <Riddell> surely there's a CSS way of doing it
[13:48] <shadeslayer> oh yes you can easily do it in CSS
[13:48] <Riddell> style="align: center"  doesn't help
[13:48] <shadeslayer> img.center {   display: block;   margin-left: auto;   margin-right: auto; }
[13:49] <Riddell> hmm, it's fildered out
[13:49] <shadeslayer> ^^ CSS
[13:49] <Riddell> drupal doesn't like it
[13:49] <Riddell> it'll have to remain where it is
[13:49] <shadeslayer> aw
[13:49] <Riddell> don't worry, treating "every day" as one word it worse than the alignment
[13:50] <shadeslayer> haha :D
[13:53] <Riddell> shadeslayer: shall I publish?
[13:54] <Riddell> Quintasan, yofel ^^ ?
[13:54] <shadeslayer> yofel: ^^ i suggest leaving ktorrent
[14:07] <shadeslayer> Riddell: iirc kwin is still unsable ...
[14:07] <shadeslayer> so that needs fixing first i guess
[14:26] <yofel> shadeslayer: I need to talk to mgraesslin about that (and yes leave ktorrent) - it uses system oxygen.so instead of our which doesn't match with our kwin3_oxygen.so
[14:26] <shadeslayer> ah
[14:26] <yofel> at least that's what I believe it does by now since deleting system oxygen.so makes it work fine
[14:27]  * shadeslayer is looking at qtscriptcreator hell
[14:27] <shadeslayer> s/creator/generator
[14:28] <shadeslayer> the readme is missing stuff too
[14:29] <shadeslayer> yofel: we don't set QTDIR in neon-env
[14:29] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/6115 
[14:30] <shadeslayer> meh that's from stable KDE >.<
[14:32] <shadeslayer> hmm
[14:41] <yofel> well, let me try with QTDIR
[14:41] <yofel> wait... we do
[14:42] <yofel> er no, QT_PLUGIN_PATH, not QTDIR
[14:43] <yofel> ok, QTDIR *is* set to /opt/project-neon - so that's not it
[14:43] <shadeslayer> yeah ... i was not in neon, i was in the stable env
[15:10] <Riddell> tsk, who broke the wiki?
[15:13] <Quintasan> yofel, shadeslayer: KWin is not working in new packages, yes?
[15:14] <shadeslayer> i haven't updated yet
[15:14] <shadeslayer> waiting for my limit to get reset
[15:14] <Quintasan> Updating
[15:14] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: you are doing qtscriptgenerator?
[15:14] <shadeslayer> i'm trying
[15:14] <shadeslayer> had a chat with amarok guys
[15:15] <Quintasan> And?
[15:15] <shadeslayer> well ... i could set LD_LIBRARY_PATH during qtscriptgenerator builds
[15:16] <shadeslayer> and then this : http://paste.kde.org/6119
[15:20] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: so how about releasing neon without amarok for now?
[15:20] <Quintasan> I'm okay with this
[15:20] <Quintasan> I'm not going to delay stuff cause someone has to use some stupid magic
[15:21] <shadeslayer> yeah
[15:21] <shadeslayer> okay so only the kwin issue remains
[15:21] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i actually have to run one more command after qmake && make
[15:21] <shadeslayer> to generate the headers etc
[15:43] <shadeslayer> ok so i need a example package which has commands like cd in its debian/rules file
[15:43] <shadeslayer> any ideas which one to look at>
[15:48] <shadeslayer> oh btw
[15:49] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i'm cheating a bit http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/qtscriptgenerator-git/PKGBUILD
[15:49] <Riddell> does amarok really need qtscriptgenerator from git, can it not just use the packaged version?
[15:50] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I call it copying, but IDC if it works
[15:50] <shadeslayer> there is no packaged version :>
[15:50] <Quintasan> Riddell: Doesnt work with our packages, dunno why, fails to discover em
[15:50] <shadeslayer> oh
[15:50] <shadeslayer> OH
[15:50] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: there is a packaged version?
[15:51] <Quintasan> apparently qtscript-* packages should be the result
[15:51] <Quintasan> but installing them doesnt work
[15:51] <shadeslayer> yep
[15:58] <shadeslayer> AHA
[15:58] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://paste.kde.org/6120
[15:58] <shadeslayer> that's why
[15:59] <shadeslayer> it's looking at the wrong place
[15:59] <Quintasan> :/
[16:00] <shadeslayer> uh
[16:00] <shadeslayer> eh
[16:00] <shadeslayer> yofel: do you have a additional install of qtscriptgenerator?
[16:00] <shadeslayer> in /opt/project-neon
[16:05] <shadeslayer> bah cmake -DQT_QTSCRIPT_INCLUDE_DIR:PATH=/usr/include/qt4/QtScript  doesn't work too
[16:24] <Quintasan> oh great
[16:24] <Quintasan> my kvm machine got corrupted and I gotta reinstall it
[16:29] <shadeslayer> heh
[16:38] <Riddell> who knows if this is binary compatible? http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/4.6/kdenetwork/kopete/libkopete/kopeteaccountmanager.h?r1=1208598&r2=1219502
[16:39] <shadeslayer> so like .... any ideas where find_package( QtScriptQtBindings REQUIRED ) looks for the file that tells it where the qtscriptcreator bindings are?
[16:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you need to look in FindQtScriptQtBindings.cmake
[16:40] <shadeslayer> well what do you know
[16:40] <shadeslayer> no  FindQtScriptQtBindings.cmake
[16:40] <shadeslayer> atleast not on yofel's thinkpad
[16:40] <c2tarun> hey guys, how can anyone join the team kubuntu-ninjas on LP?
[16:41] <shadeslayer> !find  FindQtScriptQtBindings.cmake
[16:41] <Riddell> c2tarun: you just need to prove you know how to handle the power
[16:41] <shadeslayer> >.>
[16:41] <c2tarun> Riddell: what power? there is nothing about it on LP page :(
[16:41] <Riddell> shadeslayer: amarok-2.4.0/cmake/modules/FindQtScriptQtBindings.cmake
[16:41] <shadeslayer> ah
[16:42] <Riddell> c2tarun: the power to help package KDE releases
[16:42] <debfx> Riddell: that is not binary compatible
[16:42] <shadeslayer> and this is where i get lost trying to read the CMake Module
[16:42] <c2tarun> Riddell: hmm.... ok, so fixing ftbfs for KDE packages will work?
[16:42] <Riddell> c2tarun: no, it's specificly for packaging the forthcoming releases, currently 4.6.1
[16:43] <hrw> morning
[16:43] <Riddell> see https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging for the current status
[16:43] <Riddell> bonjour hrw 
[16:44] <Riddell> c2tarun: if you want to help you might be able to steal kdeplasma-addons or kdeartwork off yofel 
[16:44] <c2tarun> Riddell: i'll try :)
[16:45] <Riddell> yofel: where are you with kdeplasma-addons or kdeartwork?
[16:45] <Riddell> c2tarun: do you have a natty build environment?
[16:46] <hrw> does someone know why kmail started to crash on imap recently?
[16:46] <c2tarun> Riddell: yup
[16:48] <Riddell> c2tarun: where's your ssh key?
[16:48] <c2tarun> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~c2tarun
[16:50] <Riddell> c2tarun: ssh ftpubuntu@ktown.kde.org
[16:50] <Riddell> in stable/4.6.1/src you'll find the tars
[16:51] <Riddell> if you want to steal kdeplasma-addons or kdeartwork off yofel (at the risk that he's already done them and it would be duplicating the work) you can
[16:51] <Riddell> you could also start on kdelibs for maverick
[16:51] <Riddell> keep https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging up to date
[16:52] <c2tarun> Riddell: sorry to ask but what I am doing? I mean I am not getting what do you mean by stealing kdeplasma-addons?
[16:53] <Riddell> c2tarun: yofel has marked himself as packaging kdeplasma-addons, but that was a while ago and he hasn't uploaded it so maybe he never started or never finished it
[16:53] <c2tarun> Riddell: ok, I got it :(
[16:53] <c2tarun> :)
[16:54] <c2tarun> sorr for wrong smily
[17:00] <c2tarun> Riddell: Is it possible to copy to tarball on my system and do the work? I mean nothing is installed on that system. (Or I am doing something wrong)
[17:01] <Riddell> c2tarun: yes, that's the intention
[17:01] <Riddell> scp ftpubuntu@ktown.kde.org:path/to/file .
[17:02] <shadeslayer> so cmake/modules/bindingstest/QtScriptBindingsTest.cpp finds the bindings
[17:02] <c2tarun> Riddell: is something is wrong with the scp syntax?
[17:03] <Riddell> c2tarun: how do you mean?
[17:03] <c2tarun> look at the terminal :/ I executed and got error.
[17:04] <c2tarun> Riddell: sorry got it :)
[17:04] <c2tarun> Riddell: nope didn't got it :(
[17:04] <c2tarun> Riddell: need help
[17:05] <shadeslayer> *very* interesting http://paste.kde.org/6127
[17:05] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^^ some help with that now :D
[17:06] <Riddell> hrw: kmail hasn't been updated in weeks
[17:07] <Riddell> shadeslayer: install libqtscript4-core ?
[17:07] <c2tarun> Riddell: ya its downloading now. :) I'll pack it soon
[17:08] <shadeslayer> aha!
[17:08] <shadeslayer> hmm
[17:08] <shadeslayer> for some reason yofel's thinkpad does not have libqtscript_core.so in /opt/project-neon
[17:19] <debfx> Riddell: bug #725959 seems to be XInput 2.1 related
[17:21] <shadeslayer> would Build-Depends-Indep: signify that the build depend after this line is a Arch independent package?
[17:21] <shadeslayer> for eg      Build-Depends-Indep: texinfo
[17:22] <Riddell> debfx: ug
[17:27] <c2tarun> Riddell: it'll take some time, I have very slow internet connection and I have to download dependencies of worth 141MB i'll pack but just need some time.
[17:27] <Riddell> c2tarun: I can set up an ec2 machine if you want
[17:27] <c2tarun> Riddell: wow... that'll be grt :) please
[17:29] <Riddell> c2tarun: ssh ubuntu@ec2-50-17-34-207.compute-1.amazonaws.com
[17:29] <yofel> Riddell: I have it finished
[17:29] <yofel> both
[17:30] <c2tarun> Riddell: wow... he finished :/ is there anyother package?
[17:31] <bambee> why python-qt4 must be packaged by the way ? I mean the lastest version is not 4.8.3 ?
[17:31] <shadeslayer> ok what next .. hmm .. 
[17:32] <Riddell> yofel: best upload then :)
[17:32] <yofel> was waiting for you to finish edu and workspace as I couldn't build it without that
[17:32] <bambee> (or I did not understand something...)
[17:32] <yofel> I'll upload anyway
[17:33] <Riddell> bambee: it doesn't why do you think it does?
[17:33] <Riddell> yofel: they're in now
[17:34] <bambee> Riddell: huh ? 
[17:35] <c2tarun> Riddell: anything left for me? :/
[17:35] <Riddell> bambee: python-qt4 doesn't need to be packaged, we have the latest version in
[17:35] <Riddell> c2tarun: all of maverick!
[17:35] <bambee> Riddell: ohh ok
[17:36] <c2tarun> Riddell: the ec2 machine is it maverick or natty?
[17:36] <Riddell> c2tarun: it's natty
[17:37] <Riddell> c2tarun: I can set up a maverick one
[17:37] <c2tarun> Riddell: sure :) 
[17:37] <Riddell> c2tarun: which package do you want to start with?  how about kdetoys being super easy?
[17:37] <c2tarun> Riddell: ya sure :) 
[17:39] <c2tarun> Riddell: on that ec2 machine I think someone did kdetoys.
[17:40] <Riddell> yes I did kdetoys for natty on that one
[17:40] <shadeslayer> eh
[17:40] <c2tarun> Riddell: ok, so I have to do for mav?
[17:41] <Riddell> c2tarun: ssh ubuntu@ec2-50-16-53-139.compute-1.amazonaws.com
[17:42] <Riddell> add the ninjas PPA I just msg'ed to you
[17:42] <Riddell> that's the source for natty so you can  apt-get source kdetoys from natty
[17:42] <Riddell> then dch -i and add a ~maverick1~ppa1 version, set the release to maverick
[17:43] <Riddell> you'll need to   apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports   too
[17:43] <Riddell> then build it
[17:53] <Riddell> ** alpha 3 candidate images needing testing! http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[17:57] <claydoh> Riddell: been out of the loop, what's new in alpha3 from a2? 
[17:57]  * claydoh thinks release notes
[17:57] <Riddell> claydoh: bambee's all improved language selector, now a kcontrol module
[17:57] <Riddell> claydoh: lots of bugs fixes in system-config-printer-kde
[17:58] <claydoh> nice, is filesharing module in there too?
[17:58] <bambee> :)
[17:58] <Riddell> claydoh: oh aye, working filesharing with samba thanks to rbelem 
[18:00] <rbelem> :-D
[18:00] <bambee> mhhh... images testing looks fun , why not :)
[18:01] <Riddell> great, thanks bambee 
[18:01] <bambee> you're welcome ;)
[18:04]  * c2tarun wow... it feels awesome to use a system with downloading speed 11MB/s (mine is 30 KB/s) ;(
[18:04] <tazz> ping Riddell 
[18:04] <tazz> may i pm ?
[18:05] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: yeah :D
[18:05] <Riddell> tazz: yes
[18:10] <yofel> c2tarun: what are you working on?
[18:10] <c2tarun> yofel: kdetoys for maverick 
[18:10] <yofel> c2tarun: mark that as taken then please https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging
[18:11] <c2tarun> yofel: how to mark that? 
[18:11] <yofel> c2tarun: edit the wiki page and add your name like we did in the other columns
[18:12] <yofel> Riddell: does ninjas depend on backports?
[18:13] <yofel> hm, no
[18:13] <Riddell> yofel: I cleared out ninjas, it was getting messy
[18:13]  * yofel goes copying packages
[18:13] <yofel> true
[18:13] <Riddell> so there's probably some dependencies that should be copies over
[18:15] <yofel> Riddell: is there a reason why we have akonadi 1.4.90 in maverick? Or did we just forget that?
[18:15] <Riddell> yofel: I think it was just forgotten
[18:16] <yofel> I'll backport 1.5 then
[18:16] <Riddell> thanks
[18:24] <claydoh> hmm system-config-printer-kde is broken in systemsettings?
[18:26] <bambee> mhhh indeed it just crashes here
[18:26] <claydoh> the service 'printer Configuration' does not provide an interface 'KCModule'....bla bla
[18:27] <bambee> claydoh: try "kcmshell4 system-config-printer-kde" from a terminal => backtrace
[18:27] <Riddell> waa
[18:28] <bambee> "importError"  
[18:28] <yofel> which release?
[18:28] <bambee> authconn is unknow
[18:28] <Riddell> oh I think pysmb and authconn isn't in the package
[18:28] <Riddell> I fixed that with 4.6.1 in ninjas
[18:28] <bambee> ok great :)
[18:30] <claydoh> http://paste.ubuntu.com/574059/
[18:30] <claydoh> too slow I be :)
[18:31] <Riddell> you'll need to grab them from the packaging and copy to /usr/share/kde4/apps/system-config-printer-kde/ for now
[18:32] <shadeslayer> sigh
[18:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: the build still fails with the exact same error
[18:32] <shadeslayer> even tho i have that lib installed now
[18:36] <Riddell> claydoh: skaet_ asks can you go in and update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview for A3
[18:38] <claydoh> Riddell:  sure
[19:02] <debfx> we should just remove all kde3 applications now, people are wasting their time fixing build errors in these packages ...
[19:03] <Riddell> yeah
[19:04] <ryanakca> Debian's getting rid of all of them by next release, if I'm not mistaken.
[19:04] <debfx> yes
[19:05] <debfx> Riddell: there are already a bunch of removal requests in the archive admin queue
[19:05] <Riddell> I'm doing those right now
[19:06] <debfx> i'll compile a list of the remaining packages
[19:06] <Riddell> removals are slow to do, not scripted :(
[19:06] <shadeslayer> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/ProjectNeon/Issues :(
[19:09] <Riddell> shadeslayer: qtscriptgenerator is evil
[19:09] <shadeslayer> yeah
[19:11] <shadeslayer> now to read up on DBus
[19:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: at least now the issue is well documented
[19:12] <shadeslayer> instead of being : It doesn't work :<
[19:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw new rekonq alpha out
[19:12] <debfx> shadeslayer: you should convince the amarok team to get rid of qtscriptgenerator ;)
[19:13] <shadeslayer> debfx: i'm swamped with stuff :P
[19:13] <Riddell> shadeslayer: so I see
[19:13] <shadeslayer> Riddell: raster graphics are ON by default now
[19:13] <shadeslayer> something that we surely don't want ... as debfx advised
[19:14] <shadeslayer> but ... there are some critical bugs that were fixed right after release .. so i'd say skip releasing this one into the archives
[19:14] <shadeslayer> for eg kde bug 267316
[19:14] <shadeslayer> and kde bug 261003
[19:15] <Riddell> shadeslayer: so wait for next alpha?
[19:15] <shadeslayer> i'd advise so
[19:15] <Riddell> who's all coming to Budapest?
[19:15] <debfx> shadeslayer: I don't understand why rekonq enables raster, either it works and should be enabled system-wide or it doesn't
[19:15]  * shadeslayer didn't even apply :P
[19:16] <Riddell> bambee, rbelem, debfx, shadeslayer, yofel, Quintasan, claydoh, c2tarun, sponsorship form now open! http://uds.ubuntu.com/participate/sponsorship/
[19:16] <shadeslayer> debfx: i have no idea, Andrea just enabled it in one commit and sent us a email later on
[19:16]  * yofel isn't coming
[19:16] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i haz major exams
[19:16] <shadeslayer> can't come
[19:16] <bambee> Riddell: :D
[19:17] <claydoh> uds? Me??
[19:17] <Riddell> we need all the kubuntu people we can get!
[19:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i'm thinking of coming to the Desktop SUmmit tho
[19:17] <shadeslayer> *that* is something i can easily attend
[19:18]  * Riddell wanders out
[19:19] <shadeslayer> cya
[19:19] <shadeslayer> i'm out for a bit too
[19:23] <c2tarun> Riddell: what should I write in about yourself? I mean how can I check what I have uploaded or other stuffs?
[19:23] <maco> c2tarun: look on your lp
[19:23] <maco> there's a "related software and packages" link
[19:23] <bambee> aarfff 9-13 May I can't :'(
[19:25] <c2tarun> one more thing, as last date is 29march may be I can fix some more packages and mention them too? will it help?
[19:26] <c2tarun> maco: ^^
[19:26] <maco> couldnt hurt
[19:27] <c2tarun> maco: ok :) than i'll fill it later thanks a lot for telling 
[19:33] <Quintasan> Riddell: I filled it just after jcastro announced it :)
[19:34] <Quintasan> yofel: How's KWin going?
[19:34] <yofel> no progress, was busy packaging
[19:35] <Quintasan> kk
[19:42] <c2tarun> what's a private ppa?
[19:52] <genii-around> Running 64bit Natty , Kubuntu ppa. kubuntu-debug-installer-dbg is installed but when KDE Crash Handler itself crashes, says that debug libraries for drkonqi are not installed. Usually it is plasma crashing first, then the crash handler itself goes
[19:52] <yofel> c2tarun: a PPA that's only accessible by the Owner
[19:55] <c2tarun> yofel: ok, so on the page which contains the private ppa for kubuntu ninjas, which one should I add?
[19:55] <yofel> genii-around: I'm getting a lot of plasma crashes too since yesterday - something from
[19:55] <yofel> #6  QETWidget::translateXI2Event (this=0x16b55c0, event=<value optimized out>) at kernel/qapplication_x11.cpp:5250
[19:56] <yofel> c2tarun: you mean to add the PPA to your sources?
[19:56] <genii-around> Hm
[19:56] <c2tarun> yofel: yup
[19:59] <c2tarun> one more problem, few seconds back I got a mail (may be from the mailing list) that kdetoys build failed. But I just packed it and checked, it was building properly. Why so?
[19:59] <yofel> c2tarun: to get the correct link, you need to go to your profile - click on "View your private PPA subscriptions" - then on "View" and there you'll find the correct source lines
[20:00] <yofel> c2tarun: that package is for maverick, we don't have all build depends in the PPA yet, and you probably  built it on natty
[20:00] <yofel> c2tarun: you need to follow https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/DependencyGraph when building, or things will fail
[20:01] <c2tarun> yofel: nope, I build it on maverick only. for natty it was build by Riddell
[20:02] <yofel> c2tarun: you built in for maverick in a clean pbuilder?
[20:02] <c2tarun> yofel: ya, but I also added a private ppa on that machine, may be that ppa has all the dependencies.
[20:03] <yofel> no, it doesn't. At least not for maverick
[20:04] <yofel> and if you look at the buildlog:
[20:04] <yofel> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[20:04] <yofel>  kde-sc-dev-latest : Breaks: kdebase-workspace-dev (< 4:4.6.1) but 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu8 is to be installed
[20:04] <yofel>  kdebase-workspace-dev : Depends: kdelibs5-dev (>= 4:4.5.1) but it is not going to be installed
[20:14] <Quintasan> yofel: wtf, does plasma crash so much for you too?
[20:15] <yofel> yep, Riddell uploaded some XI2 patch in qt ubuntu12 which I installed just now, so I hope it helps
[20:15] <genii-around> He has to be one of the busiest guys. His name is in almost every changelog I see
[20:16] <Quintasan> genii-around: Yeah, because we're all talk here a Riddell actually gets stuff done :P
[20:17] <genii-around> Heh!
[20:17] <Quintasan> like with qtscriptgenerator
[20:17] <Quintasan> "We have to do this"
[20:17] <Quintasan> "BUT I DON'T WANT TO TOUCH IT T_T"
[20:18] <Quintasan> Well, I'm no better, after seeing make output I just headdesk'd and logged out :D
[20:19] <Quintasan> Crap, I should be doing my homework instead of wasting time here
[20:19] <genii-around> There was a time when i did some programming, but not any more. Not since like Borland C  version 3 or 4
[20:55] <bambee> mhhh... how did you get back /var/log/syslog from a guest system without mount.vboxfs ?
[20:55] <bambee> s/did/do/
[20:55] <kubotu> bambee meant: "mhhh... how do you get back /var/log/syslog from a guest system without mount.vboxfs ?"
[20:56] <bambee> kubotu: xD
[20:57] <debfx> bambee: copy'n'paste :)
[20:57] <bambee> from a tty guest system ? 
[20:58] <debfx> no
[20:59] <debfx> bambee: pastebinit /var/log/syslog
[21:02] <bambee> debfx: so I must add universe repositories  (from kubuntu live cd)
[21:03] <debfx> bambee: universe isn't enabled by default? :O
[21:03] <bambee> nop
[21:03] <bambee> just main
[21:03] <debfx> that doesn't seem right
[21:04] <bambee> main and restricted 
[21:04] <bambee> other are commented
[21:08] <bambee> however pastebinit is a good idea :)
[22:06] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: thanks for the removals
[22:07] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, where's bambee gone off to?
[22:07] <JontheEchidna> ~seen bambee
[22:07] <kubotu_> bambee was last seen 15 minutes and 15 seconds ago, quitting IRC (Remote host closed the connection) and a while before saying "however pastebinit is a good idea :)" in #kubuntu-devel
[22:07] <JontheEchidna> doh, just missed him
[22:12] <JontheEchidna> home/fs/release_mgmt/kannasaver-1.2/
[22:12] <JontheEchidna> ^tarball fail
[22:14] <debfx> JontheEchidna: when you are uploading kde4 ports, remove the package from bug #727386
[22:15] <JontheEchidna> ok
[22:15] <JontheEchidna> lololol, kannasaver's kde3 package compat is 4
[22:16] <debfx> :D
[22:22] <JontheEchidna> hmm, has tab completion for pbuilder broken for anyone else?
[22:23] <yofel> it was "fixed"
[22:23] <yofel> works fine if you use --build, but not for build
[22:50] <genii-around> So if I don't want to annoy the guys at bugs.kde.org can I just copy the crash info from KDE Crash Handler and file it at launchpad instead?
[22:52] <genii-around> ( or if it gets filed there as from a Kubuntu dist does it get shuffled along anyhow? )
[22:54] <apachelogger> http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/415694-an-early-look-at-gnome-30
[22:54] <apachelogger> when do we switch kubuntu to gnome3?
[22:56] <tsimpson> genii-around: if it's a crash, it's likely the guys at bugs.kde.org will want to know about it
[22:57] <apachelogger> software produced by the mighty empire of KDE does not crash!
[22:57] <tsimpson> s/crash/elegant non-success/
[22:57] <kubotu_> tsimpson meant: "genii-around: if it's a elegant non-success, it's likely the guys at bugs.kde.org will want to know about it"
[22:58] <apachelogger> fail
[22:58] <apachelogger> genii-around: what crashed?
[23:01] <apachelogger> do we have packages for qtcreator 2.1 already?
[23:02] <yofel> !info qtcreator natty
[23:02] <apachelogger> :(
[23:02] <apachelogger> that makes apachelogger sad
[23:02] <yofel> hm...
[23:03] <yofel> apt-cache says 2.1.0-0ubuntu1 though...
[23:03] <yofel> stupid bot
[23:04] <apachelogger> well
[23:04] <apachelogger> I need maverick anyway ^^
[23:06] <tsimpson> don't blame the bot if it's a few hours out of date
[23:07] <apachelogger> tsimpson: the bot could query launchpad ^^
[23:07] <tsimpson> and by "a few", I mean less than 24, as it's a daily cron job
[23:07] <tsimpson> it could, but that would be work
[23:07] <tsimpson> and it'd break the debian part of it
[23:07] <apachelogger> good point
[23:08] <apachelogger> nvm :D
[23:08] <apachelogger> tsimpson: surely there is a way to ahve 2 plugins?
[23:08] <apachelogger> I mean, doing the plugin is probably the bigger problem :)
[23:08] <tsimpson> sure, but not 2 plugins with the same command
[23:08] <apachelogger> tsimpson: so it is a stupid bot :P
[23:09] <tsimpson> supybot maybe, but not my ubottu :)
[23:09] <apachelogger> well, surely it coudl also be done in one plugin, no?
[23:10] <tsimpson> it could have a list of ubuntu releases which it would check LP for, and use apt for debian/other distros
[23:10] <tsimpson> but that's hackety-hack
[23:11] <apachelogger> well
[23:11] <apachelogger> the bot is way too useful anyway
[23:11] <apachelogger> it needs a plugin for like ... random bad german punk music on youtube or something
[23:12] <apachelogger> or to quote confucius
[23:12] <tsimpson> someone, somewhere, will have undoubtedly made such a plugin
[23:12] <apachelogger> rbot surely got one :P :P :P
[23:13] <apachelogger> oh
[23:13] <tsimpson> don't tell anyone, but I'd like to ditch supybot for rbot one day too :)
[23:13] <apachelogger> and it needs a map plugin
[23:13] <apachelogger> ^^
[23:13] <apachelogger> didnt someone want me to do that some time
[23:14] <apachelogger> one of them projects I never started ^^
[23:14] <apachelogger> rbelem: map vienna, austria
[23:14] <apachelogger> oh
[23:14] <apachelogger> rbelem: sry
[23:14] <apachelogger> kubotu_: map vienna, austria
[23:14] <kubotu_> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&q=vienna,+austria
[23:14] <apachelogger> kubotu_: what is with the suffix?
[23:15] <tsimpson> probably all the netsplits we had
[23:15] <apachelogger> rbot should autoswitch to the standard nick ever so often
[23:15] <apachelogger> no idea why it does not work
[23:15] <apachelogger> maybe I messed up the config ^^
[23:16] <tsimpson> does it have nick protection on?
[23:16] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[23:16] <tsimpson> services also went mad over the splits, it's possible that NS locked the nick
[23:17] <tsimpson> or when the 2 sides of the split rejoined it though there was already a kubotu nick in use
[23:17] <tsimpson> (splits mess bots up)
[23:17] <apachelogger> kubotu_: restart
[23:18]  * apachelogger needs to look at the n900 kernel tomorrow
[23:18] <maco> kubotu:  map vienna, virginia
[23:18] <maco> oh come on, thats no way to mess with apachelogger's head!
[23:18] <kubotu> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&q=vienna,+virginia
[23:18] <apachelogger> just takes time to init all the useless plugins
[23:18] <apachelogger> kubotu: ping
[23:18] <kubotu> pong
[23:18] <apachelogger> up to speed we are again
[23:19] <apachelogger> austrian vienna got 3dish house shapes
[23:19] <apachelogger> helps to find out where vienna stops mattering as the 3dish things end :D
[23:24] <apachelogger> hm
[23:24] <apachelogger> I see FTBFS
[23:27] <rbelem> :-D