[00:11] <cato37> there is a way to restore kubuntu back to its default settings and restoring the desktops  without reintslling the system, but i cant remember what words to use to look up the instructions. Can anyone help?
[00:14] <xod> N!H!
[00:16] <yofel> cato37: the KDE settings are stored in ~/.kde - so removing that folder will reset most of the desktop to the defaults - resetting the whole desktop would be removing your home folder and using /etc/skel as base for a new one
[00:18] <yofel> cato37: unless you mean reset the system and keep the desktop intact - I don't know how to do that without reinstalling
[00:18] <cato37> yofel: thanx. there was an instruction guide on one of the linux forms that used the shell to do it in two simple commands, but i can't find it amidst all of the "kubuntu to ubuntu" instructions.
[00:19] <yofel> cato37: you mean removing gnome?
[00:19] <cato37> yofel: yes, it reset the system, and cleared the user accounts, which is okay.
[00:19] <cato37> no, it restored the kde (kubuntu) back to how it was when it was first installed (and all the updates added), with some simple commands.
[00:21] <yofel> cato37: you mean the set of installed applications too or just the desktop settings?
[00:25] <cato37> yofel: everything, not just the desktop settings.
[00:25] <cato37> yofel: i wish i could be of more help.
[00:26] <yofel> not sure how to do that, sry
[00:27] <cato37> yofel: its okay. i should have written the link down. i have installed and unistalled so much stuff, that in order to remove some things, i have to remove the kde desktop to get rid of some of it.
[00:28] <somekool> cato37: you want to kill user settings back to default ?
[00:29] <cato37> somekool:  yes. including user accounts
[00:29] <cato37> without reinstalling
[00:29] <cato37> without reinstalling
[00:29] <somekool> you want to kill something else than user accounts ?
[00:30] <tta> a
[00:31] <cato37> somekool: the link gave instructions to reset the system, and everything as though it were installed for the first time (it even got rid of the extra user accounts) without reinstalling kubuntu. it was pretty simple.
[00:32] <somekool> do you want to kill something else than user accounts ?
[00:32] <cato37> somekool: yes. all i would like to go back to the default software.
[00:33] <cato37> somekool: but i wouldnt mind killing the user accounts including the main account as well.
[00:35] <cato37> whatever i did in the 1000 account, i can no longer for example use quassel-- i have to make a second account to use it.
[00:35] <somekool> try this
[00:35] <somekool> PATTERN=":[1-9][0-9]\{3\}:"; grep -v $PATTERN /etc/passwd > /tmp/keep_these_lines; grep $PATTERN /etc/passwd | while read LINE; do nuser=`echo $LINE | sed 's/:.*//'`; echo rm -fr /home/$nuser; done ; echo mv /tmp/keep_these_lines /etc/passwd
[00:36] <cato37> k.
[00:37] <cato37> somekool: what did i just do?
[00:37] <somekool> kill all user accounts
[00:37] <somekool> well, my line just echo commands
[00:38] <somekool> you need to remove the two 'echo' word and you will lose all your home directories with all files and documents
[00:39] <somekool> you might want to replace the 'rm -fr xxx' by 'mv xxx somewhere'
[00:40] <cato37> somekool: ok. that helps. thanx. is there a way to restore the system back to the default programs?
[00:51] <cato37> i found a similar link. thanks all. have a good day.
[00:54] <shady_> can i save the updates i did & reinstall it later without downloading?
[00:56] <cato37> here is the link, btw. http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3109861.0
[00:56] <cato37> thanx again.
[00:56] <yofel> shady_: well, you can save the files in /var/cache/apt/archives and copy them back later again
[00:56] <yofel> you'll need a network connection though for the apt-cache
[00:57] <shady_> but there will be no downloding cuz my connection here is bad<<
[00:58] <yofel> if there are no new updates apt will re-use the files in /var/cache/apt/archives
[00:58] <shady_> ty bro
[00:59] <shady_> one more thing>>
[01:00] <shady_> when i plug my headphones, i can't hear any sound, any ideas?
[01:01] <snypzz> hello all
[01:02] <heinkel_111> how do I trigger a full reinstall of initramfs-tools package (any package really) using apt package system?
[01:03] <yofel> heinkel_111: sudo apt-get install --reinstall  initramfs-tools
[01:03] <yofel> unless you want to wipe all configuration files
[01:03] <yofel> that would be sudo dpkg apt-get purge  initramfs-tools && sudo apt-get install  initramfs-tools
[01:04] <heinkel_111> the problem is my /boot partition was full so I got an error message during first installation
[01:04] <heinkel_111> I deleted some older kernel versions (again, using the apt system)
[01:05] <heinkel_111> I did not realize how many I had, must be dating back to version 2008.something of kubuntu
[01:06] <heinkel_111> then I want to install newest initramfs again to avoid incompatibilty issues (if any) with the rest of kernel-related stuff
[01:06] <heinkel_111> sounds like a good strategy?
[01:06] <yofel> ah wait, you just want to regenerate the initrd?
[01:06] <yofel> sec
[01:07] <yofel> heinkel_111: that should go with sudo update-initramfs -u -k all
[01:07] <heinkel_111> yofel, to be honest, not sure what the initrd and initramfs really does
[01:07] <heinkel_111> for me, these things just work 99,99 % of the time
[01:07] <heinkel_111> first time in several years as a kubuntu user I encountered any problem at all with it
[01:08] <heinkel_111> i think the install that faulted stopped at some dpkg -- configure step or something?
[01:08] <yofel> heinkel_111: it contains a set files used by the kernel before the root directory is mounted
[01:08] <heinkel_111> I am not sure then, if I have a partial install of something on disk right now
[01:09] <yofel> heinkel_111: you might want to run sudo dpkg --configure -a too then, just to be sure dpkg is ok
[01:09] <heinkel_111> partial installs usually create trouble
[01:09] <heinkel_111> that is why I thought a full reinstall would do it?
[01:09] <snypzz> unable to install kubuntu 9.10 or higher on virtualbox 4.04r, can someone help me...?
[01:09] <heinkel_111> I mean full reinstall as 'sudo apt-get install --reinstall  initramfs-tools'
[01:10] <yofel> well, reinstalling initramfs-tools won't fix the initrds I think, just run the command I told you, if it finishes fine it should be ok
[01:10] <heinkel_111> ok, thanks yofel
[01:10] <yofel> or reinstall the kernel - that will trigger a initrd update
[01:11] <yofel> snypzz: where does it fail?
[01:13] <snypzz> after installed it asks for name and PW in terminal mode
[01:14] <snypzz> I entered the name and PW and it keeps asking
[01:14] <snypzz> after I entered it correctly...
[02:45] <_ussher> how can i change the mouse cursor to move faster for the distance i move the mouse.  Just plugged a different mouse in and the speed is really slow. Tried in the control panel settings under mouse, but it wont speed up.
[02:48] <nata> pointer acceleration adjust to >7 test. at system steetings/input device
[02:49] <_ussher> changed it to 20 to see if it makes a differnce -> APPLY = same speed
[02:50] <nata> then that is your mouse speed problem i think.
[02:50] <_ussher> ah.  ok.  thanks
[03:14] <knight_> So quiet.... too quiet.
[03:15] <Daskreech> shhhhh
[03:15]  * Daskreech points at the library sign
[03:15] <knight_> Good boys... reading their books.
[03:16] <Daskreech> Libre Libra
[03:16] <knight_> ?
[03:17] <Daskreech> Free books?
[03:18] <knight_> Don't know. You tell me Library prefet ;-)
[03:18] <knight_> I want money to buy books :(
[03:22] <Daskreech> apt-get install diveintopython
[03:23] <knight_> hehehe. Yeag Python is good
[03:23] <knight_> though I am a beguinner.
[03:31] <Daskreech> :)
[04:40] <pulaski> Hi, Can anyone offer a comment about why, on the kubuntu download page, the 32bit version is recommended while the 64 bit version is not?
[04:42] <nata> some people don't known which type of their computer is
[04:43] <pulaski> I see, yes that makes sense thanks for responding nata.
[04:43] <Daskreech> pulaski: 32 bit will always work
[04:44] <nata> may be the developer stil got another reason
[04:44] <Daskreech> If you already know you are getting 64 bit then you have enough info to make an informed choice
[04:49] <pulaski> Daskreech, this is interesting because I, certainly no expert, recently purchased an amd64 box. I was working on the assumption that an application or OS for that matter had to be written for one or the other.
[04:49] <Daskreech> :-)
[04:50] <Daskreech> pulaski: it;s a matter of how high you can count, If you can reach to 64 then you can obviously count to 32
[04:51] <Daskreech> counting to 32 is no assurance that you can get to 64
[04:51] <nata> future will be in 64 :)
[04:53] <nata> my old computer also is 64 :) sempron 2800+ vy old enough
[04:54] <pulaski> Daskreech: lol, the reason I'm even thinking about this now is that I've been having trouble installing first kubuntu 10.04.2 and now I'm going back to 10.10. If I ever get my system stable again, I'll do future distro upgrades using apt-get.
[04:56] <pulaski> I've done that once before and it was sort of painless. I just have to remember its not always a good idea to be first out of the box as it were.
[04:56] <pulaski> Thanks nata and Daskreech for chatting tonight. Be seeing you.
[04:56] <Daskreech> pulaski: Sometimes :) but you do get kinda restless once you are in FOSS for a while
[04:56] <Daskreech> MUST
[04:56] <Daskreech> HAVE
[04:56] <Daskreech> NEW!!!
[04:56] <FloodBotK2> Daskreech: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:57] <nata> pulaski: here is afternoon :)
[04:58] <nata> hehe,Daskreech, bot warnning you :)
[04:58] <Daskreech> I expected it to
[05:26] <knight_> 64-bit is not the future. It is the present ^_^
[05:29] <Daskreech> ipv6 is the future :)
[05:50] <nata> visible light CPU only is future :)  no overheating problem
[05:51] <Daskreech> I thought we would just use the excess energy from the multiple universes around us in alternate dimensions
[05:52] <nata> but multiple universal still lack of proved..
[05:52] <Daskreech> Shhhhhhh
[05:52]  * Daskreech continues daydreaming of porting doom to it
[05:52] <nata> hehe
[05:52] <nata> -*- is bot ma?
[06:30] <sistem_error> tes-tes
[08:32] <AYJHBear> hi is anyone here?
[08:32] <AYJHBear> may I ask some help regarding Docky? it doesn't seem like I can find a solution regarding the issue.
[08:33] <AYJHBear> whenever I right click on a program that is on docky and it is not pinned to docky. Docky disappears.
[08:33] <AYJHBear> I don't know what to do.
[08:51] <sistem_error> ada yg dari indonesia
[08:56] <sri13> Hi to all , why it takes lot of time for copying files from one place to another place in kubuntu , when compared with gnome ?
[10:01] <shady_> says Only one software management tool is allowed to run at the same time
[10:01] <shady_> Please close the other application e.g. 'Update Manager', 'aptitude' or 'Synaptic' first
[10:02] <shady_> can any1 help me get rid of this^^
[10:02] <AYJHBear> hi
[10:02] <AYJHBear> I am installing KDE 4.6 I am checking out and comparing my current configuration and the new KDM
[10:02] <AYJHBear> and then I am stuck I cannot go back out
[10:02] <AYJHBear> can someone tell me what I should do?
[10:03] <superwizard> crypto про
[10:05] <AYJHBear> one more question if I stopped 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[10:05] <AYJHBear> how do I resume?
[10:20] <Mamarok> AYJHBear: run it again, then if it gives you error messages, do that:
[10:20] <Mamarok> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[10:21] <AYJHBear> I get the following output for running it again
[10:21] <AYJHBear> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[10:21] <AYJHBear> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[10:21] <Mamarok> AYJHBear: check if you have no other shell or app running it
[10:21] <Mamarok> if not, do the following:
[10:22] <AYJHBear> dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
[10:22] <AYJHBear> I am sure a shell is running it.
[10:22] <AYJHBear> however I cannot find the shell anymore I want to open it
[10:23] <AYJHBear> by the way how do I just chat with you?
[10:23] <Mamarok> AYJHBear: well, it must be on your desktop if you have an open shell
[10:23] <Mamarok> AYJHBear: this here is a support channel, it's not for chatting
[10:24] <AYJHBear> yeah that's why I don't want to bug everyone
[10:24] <Mamarok> you can use #kubuntu-offtopic for that, but keep in mind it should be Kubuntu related and the Code of Conduct applies
[10:24] <AYJHBear> ok
[10:24] <Mamarok> just a moment, I have to look up my notes
[10:24] <AYJHBear> ok thank you.
[10:25] <AYJHBear> I think I closed the other shell? at least the GUI without closing the update?
[10:25] <AYJHBear> it was an accident
[10:25] <Mamarok> well, if you closed it it is not running anymore
[10:25] <AYJHBear> appearantly it is?
[10:26] <AYJHBear> I don't know what is happening
[10:26] <Mamarok> unless you used the non-GUI Linux shells
[10:26] <Mamarok> that is the command to unlock: sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[10:26] <AYJHBear> h but it is going to kill the process
[10:27] <AYJHBear> is it possible to go back to the previous process? or should I just let it kill it?
[10:27] <Mamarok> there is not much of a choice
[10:27] <AYJHBear> since it is a dist-upgrade I don't want it to screw up
[10:27] <AYJHBear> alright
[10:27] <Mamarok> let it kill it, else you can't get control back
[10:28] <AYJHBear> got it back
[10:28] <Mamarok> you can't screw a dist-upgrade, kust don't reboot or logout of KDE before it is done
[10:28] <AYJHBear> ok
[10:28] <AYJHBear> works now
[10:28] <Mamarok> just*
[10:28] <AYJHBear> it actually resumed after killing it
[10:28] <Mamarok> nice :)
[10:28] <AYJHBear> thank you so much
[10:29] <Mamarok> AYJHBear: you are welcome :)
[10:29] <AYJHBear> I need to go look up the guide in using this IRC
[10:29] <AYJHBear> don't wannt to get kicked out
[10:29] <AYJHBear> :D
[10:29] <AYJHBear> see you
[10:45] <superwizard> многоуважаемые члены сообщества кто что может  сказать про crypto pro
[10:45] <rork> !ru | superwizard
[10:47] <superwizard> crypto pro in kubuntu
[11:27] <Peace-> !paste
[11:33] <Jim-65802> hello chan
[11:34] <Jim-65802> who is active?
[11:36] <Jim-65802> helo
[11:36] <james147> Hello Jim-65802
[11:36] <Jim-65802> james
[11:36] <Jim-65802> hi
[11:36] <Jim-65802> u linux guru?
[11:36] <james147> !ask | Jim-65802
[11:37] <Jim-65802> copy.
[11:37] <Jim-65802> buntu 10,8 how do i enable mic via rear connect?
[11:38] <Jim-65802> so there
[11:38] <Jim-65802> ubottu: help
[11:39] <Jim-65802> james147 : where u?
[11:39] <james147> !wait | Jim-65802
[11:39] <james147> ^^ I am doing other things while watching, give me some time
[11:39] <Jim-65802> k
[11:40] <james147> Jim-65802: firstly, check "alsamixer" (run it in a terminal) and make sure the capture channels arnt muted
[11:40] <Jim-65802> k
[11:40] <susundberg> and if you have pulse audio then its different story?
[11:41] <susundberg> the program called 'pavucontrol' can do miracless .. ( i changed mic to rear with that as kde mix cannot do it)
[11:49] <Jim-65802> have alsamix in term window
[11:49] <Jim-65802> mm mic vol is dark
[11:50] <Jim-65802> master center line is maxed
[11:51] <Jim-65802> susundberg : pavucontrol run over top of alsamix?
[11:53] <susundberg> no, pavu is for pulse audio: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PulseAudio
[11:54] <susundberg> no sorry, i am wrong -- pulse really runs on top of alsa
[11:54] <susundberg> "In a typical installation scenario under Linux, the user configures ALSA to use a virtual device provided by PulseAudio. Thus, applications using ALSA will output sound to PulseAudio, which then uses ALSA itself to access the real sound card."
[11:55] <susundberg> Well this isn't that clear -- does the alsa mixer really configure the physical or is it connected to pulse audio server ..
[11:55] <susundberg> it would be nice if someone with more knowledge would tell which it is ..
[11:56] <susundberg> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio
[11:57] <susundberg> this suggests that alsamixer connects directly to kernel layer -- "If you experience no audio output via any means while using ALSA as your default device, you may have to unmute your sound card. To do this, you will want to launch alsamixer and make sure each column has a green 00 under it"
[11:58] <pulaski> hello, I have two drives on my amd64 box. I had installed win 7 on the first drive /dev/sda but I used fdisk to delete the partitions then I wrote the deletion to the drive. I installed kubuntu 10.10 on that drive. During the installation Kubuntu correctly recognized there were on othe OSs on the box and went ahead with the installation. After install and reboot the grub menu came up but when
[11:58] <pulaski> I selected the default option to boot ubuntu the system hung and required manual reboot. Quest #1: Will Kubuntu install grub with no other OSs on a box? Quest #2: Did deleteing the partitions with fdisk on /dev/sda also delete the prior Master Boot Record?
[11:59] <susundberg> MBR is not installed on partitions
[12:00] <susundberg> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record)
[12:00] <james147> pulaski: and kubuntu should install grub unless you tell it not to
[12:00] <james147> (regardless of other OSs as fara s i know)
[12:01] <susundberg> And the installer should see other OS (like Win7) and add grub entry for it ..
[12:01] <susundberg> But deleting partitions might have deleted windows 7 loader, that is usually small partition containing something
[12:02] <susundberg> You might want to check this out: http://superuser.com/questions/122658/install-ubuntu-to-partition-with-windows-7-loader-erase-partition-with-win-load
[12:03] <susundberg> btw: if you deleted the win7 partitions how did the ubuntu installer recognize those?
[12:04] <susundberg> (it should not)
[12:04]  * james147 notes that the mbr is fine if your got to grub... the problem was booting the os
[12:04] <Jim-65802> how shud i ctrl alsamixer? hp box, alsa 1.0.22
[12:04] <susundberg> true also!
[12:06] <Jim-65802> think i no have pulseaudio
[12:07] <james147> Jim-65802: its been installed by default for a while, so its unlikly that you dont have it, pavucontrol is a util that isnt installed by default however
[12:10] <Jim-65802> james147 : k, alsa is up in a win, Fkeys work, unclear how to select mic line
[12:10] <Jim-65802> master currently selected
[12:10] <james147> m un/mute, arrow keys navagation + volume control
[12:13] <Jim-65802> james147 : thats workin.. tnx
[12:17] <pulaski> susundberg, james147: Thank you for responding. Your answers have been helpful.
[12:25] <Jim-65802> james147 : gnome sound recorder 2.30.0  gets static on rec
[12:25] <Aristidounet> Hi !
[12:25] <Aristidounet> I have a problem with special effects in KDE
[12:25] <Aristidounet> This effects is not enable at the startup
[12:26] <Aristidounet> I enable this, but i must resume this manually ><
[12:27] <Aristidounet> I have a "Desktop effects are temporarily disabled" i must click on Resume Desktop Effect
[12:27] <Jim-65802> device in vol control seems respond to test
[12:27] <Jim-65802> not fgrt tho
[12:28] <Aristidounet> I don't know if i'm understandable :/
[12:28] <Jim-65802> arist u ok
[12:28] <Aristidounet> Hi Jim-65802
[12:28] <Jim-65802> : ]
[12:29] <Jim-65802> hi
[12:29] <Aristidounet> Ok
[12:29] <Aristidounet> I look for a solution since 3 days
[12:29] <Jim-65802> hopin patience is key
[12:29] <Jim-65802> hopin for progress b4 wrk
[12:30] <Jim-65802> small window, but have progress...
[12:32] <Jim-65802> chan : msg me = js417827@yahoo.com... must go tnx..cu
[12:44] <Aristidounet> KDE Don't want to enable desktop's effect automatiquely... In the system settings, i have a "Desktop effects are temporarily disabled" i must click on Resume Desktop Effect
[12:44] <Aristidounet> Its not fun ><
[12:49] <Aristidounet> KDE Don't want to enable desktop's effect automatiquely... In the system settings, i have a "Desktop effects are temporarily disabled" i must click on Resume Desktop Effect
[12:49] <Aristidounet> Its not fun ><
[12:51] <rork> Aristidounet: just an idea, is "Disable functionality checks" set in System Settings > Desktop > Desktop Effects > Advanced (or an equivalent)
[12:51] <Aristidounet> Ha ok
[12:51] <Aristidounet> I reboot for test
[12:56] <metton> Ok
[12:56] <Aristidounet> Tankyou verymuch o/
[12:57] <rork> nice, you're welcome :)
[12:58] <Aristidounet> o/
[12:58]  * Aristidounet give money to rork 
[12:59]  * Aristidounet take the money and run away
[13:00] <rork> Aristidounet: http://www.kde.org/community/donations/
[13:00] <Aristidounet> ... Please pay for this :p
[13:00] <Aristidounet> No sorry i can't i don't have enought money, i must pay my driving licence xD
[13:01] <Aristidounet> Is very expensive
[13:01] <Aristidounet> 1340E ><
[13:05] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[13:06] <Aristidounet> Hi BluesKaj
[13:06] <Aristidounet> I reboot for a new test
[13:56] <m2tech> Hello
[13:56] <m2tech> How can i install initrd-tools in KUBUNTU 10
[13:56] <m2tech> already tried google
[13:57] <m2tech> i`m installing old drbl service, cause this new with tftp is TERRIBLE!
[13:57] <m2tech> 267 USERS AND NOT ONE ANSWER ?
[14:00] <BluesKaj> m2tech, I have no idea what you are talking about ...doubt if that will help you
[14:02] <m2tech> Diskless remote boot in Linux - DRBL BluesKaj
[14:04] <shadeslayer> !patience | m2tech
[14:05] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, I thought he deserved an answer :)
[14:05] <shadeslayer> m2tech: try initramfs-tools
[14:05] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: i didn't say he didnt
[14:07] <BluesKaj> it was a joke , shadeslayer
[14:08] <shadeslayer> gah .. i'm bad at humor :S
[14:09] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, youg eeks gotta learn to lighten up a little :)
[14:09] <shadeslayer> :P
[14:11] <BluesKaj> ppl who come in ands tart spewing acronyms all over the place seldom get an answer immediately or eben in the first 5 mins , ppl are checking their sources looking for meanings
[14:21] <kyubutsu> i just discovered that using the scroll wheel while hovering over the panel also cycles thru open applications
[14:21] <kyubutsu> cool feature.. another +1 for kde
[14:24] <kyubutsu> even if they were minimized.. they are brought up and into focus
[14:24] <kyubutsu> been using kde for a while now and never knew i could do that
[14:26] <kyubutsu> but, if the applications are grouped, the the cycling only affects that particular group
[14:27] <kyubutsu> nifty
[14:39] <Gargoyle1976> Does anyone know where to go about errors when upgrading to 10.10
[14:46] <kyubutsu> Gargoyle1976: you mean bug reporting?
[14:47] <Gargoyle1976> I can't upgrade for some reason and can't figure out why
[14:47] <Pici> Perhaps if you mentioned the exact problems/errors you're having we could provide better help.
[14:49] <BluesKaj> Gargoyle1976, what upgrade method or command are you using ?
[14:51] <Gargoyle1976> just using the kpackagekit link
[14:53] <BluesKaj> Gargoyle1976, open a terminal and do: sudo do-release-upgrade..as long as you haven't added any ppas to you sources/kpackagekit
[14:54] <Gargoyle1976> i'll check and get back to you
[14:54] <Gargoyle1976> gotta run for now
[14:54] <BluesKaj> Gargoyle1976, ok
[14:55]  * BluesKaj thinks the upgrade with kpackagekit isn't worth all the trouble it causes, clunky
[14:56] <kyubutsu> i dont think the upgrading process is too well defined for kubuntu
[14:57] <kyubutsu> lots of mixed 'ways' on the google
[14:58] <BluesKaj> the cli is always best IMO, even for beginners
[14:59] <kyubutsu> right, just tried do-release-upgrade on konsole and got a reply so, that one might be best
[15:00] <BluesKaj> give them a taste of what real linux is about instead of the attempted hand holding with package installers/updaters and upgraders which try to make it "easy" for former windows users
[15:01] <kyubutsu> in this case, command line is certainly more straightforward; am on 10.10 already, the message was "no new release found" which i guess is expected [currently]
[15:02] <BluesKaj> yup, unless add the -d to the command , which will then upgrade to natty , -d=development OS
[15:03] <kyubutsu> correct
[15:03] <kyubutsu> :)
[15:03] <BluesKaj> stuff to do for a few mins...BL
[15:10] <expecto> #ubuntu
[15:33] <AYJHBear> is it possible to fix the trashcan not launching on docky in kde 4.6? it is a nautilus error failed to execute child process nautilus
[15:34] <AYJHBear> is there a way that I can launch it without going through nautilus?
[15:42] <tsimpson> AYJHBear: you will want to ask in #ubuntu
[15:56] <digirak> i am having some trouble uninstalling kubuntu
[15:56] <digirak> i downloaded the package over my ubunut
[15:56] <digirak> but now i want to go back to the ubuntu
[15:56] <digirak> but i am having some trouble wiht that
[15:56] <digirak> after uninstalling the basic plasma packages
[15:57] <digirak> it still logs in through kubuntu
[15:57] <digirak> i want to get back to the old ubuntu login
[15:59] <genii-around> digirak: Usually something like: sudo apt-get remove --purge kubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop             . Although if it is still using kdm and not gdm you can also: sudo apt-get remove --purge kdm && sudo apt-get install gdm
[16:00] <BluesKaj> digirak, choose the gnome desktop on the login page before entering your pw. there's a drop down dialog
[16:00] <digirak> BluesKaj: yes i do that everytime i just want to get away from that
[16:02] <BluesKaj> digirak, if you use gdm instead of kdm then it will auto choose gnome, drop to a tty and do sudo service kdm stop && sudo service gdm start
[16:03] <digirak> how do i drop to a tty?
[16:03] <BluesKaj> then do what genii-around suggested
[16:04] <BluesKaj> digirak, ctrl+alt+f1 , do the commands then do startx
[16:04] <DarthFrog> digirak: Press CTL-ALT-F1 to drop to a TTY.
[16:05] <DarthFrog> digirak: actually, any F key from 1 to 6 will work.
[16:05] <digirak> DarthFrog: will that suspend my current session?
[16:05] <digirak> genii-around: it says Package kubuntu-desktop is not installed, so not removed
[16:06] <genii-around> digirak: Good. Just continue on with the other commands in the order given then
[16:06] <DarthFrog> digirak: Suspend?  No.  It will simply switch you to a virtual terminal.  Press ALT-F7 to switch back.
[16:07] <digirak> genii-around: but i still cant unlock my login screen options which tells me the login is still in kdm
[16:08] <kyubutsu> this is a good guide to return back to gnome as well:  http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome
[16:08] <DarthFrog> !puregnome
[16:08] <BluesKaj> !purekde
[16:09] <kyubutsu> you guys are just copycats.. am the true psychocat!   o.0
[16:09] <kyubutsu> :-P
[16:10] <BluesKaj> that purekde tutorial din't work for maverick , the factoid is outdated
[16:10] <kyubutsu> well.. something's gotta give
[16:10] <kyubutsu> -_-
[16:11] <BluesKaj> kyubutsu, the psycocats pure kde commands dfon
[16:11] <genii-around> digirak: After you remove kdm with the: sudo apt-get remove --purge kdm         and then replace it with the: sudo apt-get install gdm                 you of course will not see a difference until you have restarted X
[16:12] <BluesKaj> don't work  either
[16:13] <BluesKaj> the psychocats pure kde commands don't work , I mean
[16:13] <kyubutsu> hm.. worked for me everytime
[16:14] <kyubutsu> havent had use for it in quite sometime tho
[16:15] <kyubutsu> it used to be pretty good anyhow..
[16:15] <kyubutsu> it'll be missed
[16:15] <kyubutsu> how about the ones from the factoid ? is that any different?
[16:16] <BluesKaj> I had gnome and kde installed for a while and gnome was getting on my nerves as usual so I tried to purify to kde , wasn't possible so I just clean installed kubun
[16:17] <genii-around> BluesKaj: I keep all four different desktop environments, KDE, GNOME, LXDE, and XFCE :)
[16:18] <BluesKaj> the factoid links tro a old page, kyubutsu
[16:18] <DarthFrog> genii-around: How do you like LXDE?
[16:18] <kyubutsu> alrighty then.. no more "purifying"
[16:18] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj: How did GNOME interfere with KDE?
[16:19] <BluesKaj> genii-around, you're a brave soul or a bugger for punishment maybe :)
[16:19] <genii-around> DarthFrog: I found it fast and simple, better for me than XFCE. But i still like KDE the best
[16:20] <DarthFrog> genii-around: That echos my opinion on XfCE.
[16:20] <kyubutsu> yah, i think of xfce as an uglier version of gnome
[16:21] <kyubutsu> i rather go with fluxbox if thats the case
[16:21] <BluesKaj> too many apps that I never use DarthFrog amongst other things ...never cared for it's look for another , no matter which theme or icons ..
[16:25] <BluesKaj> DarthFrog, it's just a matter of taste , mostly...I mean if there was no kde then I'd probly use gnome ,but highly modified :)
[16:26] <kyubutsu> isnt that the general case of most of us here
[16:26]  * kyubutsu chuckles
[16:27] <BluesKaj> now if chromium would just integrate it's tab and menu fonts with kde settings then all would be well in my linux world :)
[16:37] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj: Ah, so it's the mere presense of GNOME that bothers you, not that it gets in your way.  :-)
[16:43] <MaoXiang> Hallo leute
[16:43] <tuhin> hi alla
[16:43] <tuhin> hi all*
[16:44] <tuhin> how much ram kubuntu uses right after boot?
[16:47] <Tm_T> tuhin: depends on many different things, but ~200 MiB and more
[16:48] <tuhin> hmm , my gnome mint10 uses 280MB at boot, does it mean Kubuntu 10.10 is lighter?
[16:57] <francesco_> hello everybody
[16:57] <francesco_> I have little problem with kwin render
[17:05] <AYJHBear> is scim really a dead project?
[17:06] <AYJHBear> I like ibus however it doesn't work with libreoffice
[17:06] <AYJHBear> I cannot type Chinese in libreoffice with iBus. Anyone have any other suggestions? or should I just revert back to SKIM?
[17:58] <vadrao> Hi all, I have a bose companion 5 speakers. I would like the system to autodetect them when ever I connect it to the system. Previous versions of Kubuntu used to autodetect it when ever I connect the speakers to the computer and then I could use amarok to play music. But now I have to connect the speakers to the system before system start and then only I could use it. Can any one let me know how I can make kubuntu to autodetect the speakers.
[18:09] <DarthNazgul> hi i'm using kubuntu 10.10 and facing a problem trying to login
[18:10] <DarthNazgul> the last time i logged in, i was adding widgets to my desktop, and while adding one particular widget, the screen went blank, requiring me to reboot
[18:10] <DarthNazgul> now i cant log in to my desktop, instead it goes to the script page
[18:11] <DarthNazgul> i tyoed "startx" but i get an error msg which says "kstartupconfig4 does not exist or has failed. Error code 127."
[18:11] <DarthNazgul> any solutions?
[18:13] <apogee91> hey guys, how can I have KDE automatically log me in?
[18:13] <apogee91> without inserting password
[18:13] <vadrao> DarthNazgul@ Try and do "sudo apt-get update" and then "sudo apt-get upgrade" and see if it helps
[18:15] <nata> apogee91: system/system settings/login screen/convenience/enable auto login
[18:15] <DarthNazgul> @vadrao but currently i'm not connected to the internet from my system
[18:15] <vadrao> apogee91: System Settings > Login Screen > Covienece tab
[18:15] <DarthNazgul> and the computer that i'm using now has it's ip locked to the wifi network, so i cant access the network from mine anyway
[18:17] <apogee91> thanks
[18:20] <DarthNazgul> any other solutions please?
[18:20] <vadrao> DarthNazgul: Do you have access to the computer now with internet connection ?
[18:22] <DarthNazgul> only from the one i'm using now, but this runs windows..my kubuntu laptop is next to me, and that's not connected
[18:23] <vadrao> try this command
[18:23] <vadrao> "rm -rf .kde"
[18:24] <vadrao> from the home directory
[18:24] <nata> got someone known why my Front size setting in kubuntu 10.10 frquenly change back to default small front size?
[18:24] <vadrao> and then do a startx
[18:24] <DarthNazgul> what#s it supposed to do?
[18:24] <rork> remove you're complete .kde (kde settings) directory, it's not wise to do that!
[18:24] <vadrao> It will delete your kde preferences and start from scratch.. But all of your files will be there
[18:24] <rork> rather create a new user or rename the directory
[18:24] <DarthNazgul> alright i#ll try it
[18:25] <apogee91> does kubuntu support hibernation?
[18:25] <vadrao> Yeah try rork's suggestion
[18:25] <maco> apogee91: yes
[18:25] <apogee91> maco: how do I enable it?
[18:25] <rork> DarthNazgul: don't, there are some important files there
[18:25] <rork> DarthNazgul: e.g. your mail is stored in .kde, contacts etc
[18:25] <maco> apogee91: shouldn't have to. though if you don't have a swap partition or don't have enough swap available or you encrypted your swap then it won't work
[18:26] <DarthNazgul> relax, i installed this only yesterday..i dont have anything on kubuntu yet
[18:26] <DarthNazgul> i dual boot with windows for now
[18:26] <apogee91> maco:  I do have enough space
[18:26] <apogee91> how would I enable it
[18:26] <maco> there is no enable/disable...
[18:26] <maco> it should be in the menu from the get-go
[18:27] <maco> oh hmm well ok i guess there could be disable. if you boot with "noacpi" then you're telling the OS to completely forget everything it knows about power management
[18:27] <apogee91> oh, right, is there an option where I can choose what happens when i press the power button (to hibernate)
[18:30] <apogee91> any way to have the power buttton hibernste?
[18:30] <apogee91> hibernate
[18:31] <DarthNazgul> @rork : i only installed kubuntu yesterday, so there's literally nothing there yet..and i dual boot with windows for now
[18:31] <DarthNazgul> @rork : so shall i follow vadrao's suggestion?
[18:31] <apogee91> what is the default boot manager for kubuntu?
[18:32] <genii-around> apogee91: grub2
[18:32] <rork> yeah I read it, if you don't mind losing your configuration and system data go ahead. Still I think it's better to rename the folder or make a new user, it has the same effect.
[18:32] <rork> DarthNazgul: ^
[18:33] <apogee91> how can I make kubuntu my default boot?
[18:33] <apogee91> i currently have windows, i used a gui boot config i forgot the name of the app
[18:34] <DarthNazgul> @rork : problem is, i'm new to linux..could u tell me how to make a new user/rename the folder?
[18:34] <vadrao> DarthNazgul: I also agree with rork's comment. Its usually the recommended way to do things like that
[18:34] <vadrao> DarthNazgul: try "mv .kde .kde_back"
[18:36] <DarthNazgul> @vadrao : shall i try it at username@username? or should it read username@home?
[18:37] <kyubutsu> pull up system settings and look in User Management
[18:37] <kyubutsu> you can create, delete or modify users and groups in there
[18:39] <kyubutsu> should be at the bottom of system settings, section called system administration
[18:39] <vadrao> DarthNazgul: first of all type this command.. "cd"  gets you back to the home directory whereever you are
[18:39] <vadrao> then do the rest
[18:39] <DarthNazgul> @vadrao : gotcha
[18:39] <genii-around> I think you want a tilde there
[18:40] <genii-around> eg: cd ~
[18:41] <dfdf> can i try kubuntu on my mac?
[18:41] <DarthNazgul> "no cd~ command found"
[18:41] <maco> dfdf: sure, go ahead
[18:41] <maco> we won't stop you :)
[18:41] <genii-around> Space between cd and ~
[18:42] <DarthNazgul> @vadrao : i did that mv command, and then tried startx..no difference
[18:42] <DarthNazgul> alright..but anyhow it leads me to the same directory as cd..thanks
[18:43] <vadrao> DarthNazgul: what does the error exactly say ?
[18:43] <dfdf> what is better kubuntu or ubuntu?
[18:43] <risto> arch linux
[18:44] <maco> dfdf: depends... do you like to leave things at defaults or tweak all the settings?
[18:44] <kyubutsu> since you are here, dfdf, you probably already think kubuntu .. give it a try
[18:44] <dfdf> i like to tweak
[18:44] <DarthNazgul> @vadrao : "kstartupconfig4 does not exist or fails. The error code is 127. Check your installation."
[18:45] <vadrao> DarthNazgul: hmm.. Could you tell me how you actually installed Kubuntu ?
[18:45] <kyubutsu> ouch, that is not good, DarthNazgul.. you might have to reinstall
[18:46] <dfdf> how can i try kubuntu on a mac?
[18:46] <kyubutsu> but, good news is you can still use the command line .. kstartupconfig4 only affects the graphical login part
[18:48] <risto> dfdf: how does it differ from other computers ?
[18:49] <dfdf> i dont know
[18:49] <risto> well you have to make free space on your hard disk
[18:49] <risto> you try first time ?
[18:50] <dfdf> i just like to try the live cd
[18:50] <dfdf> yes first time
[18:50] <risto> well on bios change the boot order like cd to first
[18:50] <risto> or just use it from usb
[18:51] <dfdf> ok
[18:51] <dfdf> is kubuntu any good for hacking?
[18:51] <genii-around> dfdf: If you have an Intel based Mac, just use the regular cd to try. If you have a PowerPC Mac, get a cd from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/releases/10.04/release/           (replace 10.04 with 10.10 if you want Maverick)
[18:51] <DarthNazgul> vadrao : from my friend's cd. he's been using kubuntu for quite a while now, and he helped me install it
[18:52] <risto> dfdf: depends how you define hacking ?
[18:52] <dfdf> i have the based mac
[18:53] <kyubutsu> he shouldnt need to change the bios .. just start the computer with the disk in the tray .. the live cd should kick in, select the first choice and then choose to 'try kubuntu'
[18:53] <vadrao> DarthNazgul: can you type this command (ls -ld .kde) and paste the resultant output
[18:53] <genii-around> On older Macs you sometimes had to hold down the C key for CD booting
[18:54] <kyubutsu> ah
[19:26] <AYJHBear> is there something wrong with my computer if i cannot find xorg.conf?
[19:26] <james147> No, there isnt one by default anymore
[19:33] <AYJHBear> oh ok.
[19:34] <AYJHBear> good I haven't use linux in such a long time I thought I was doing something wrong
[19:34] <Spinfuzor> hello all
[19:34] <Spinfuzor> my first time on irc
[19:34] <AYJHBear> my conky disppears as soon as I click on my desktop I googled around but I cannot fix it
[19:34] <AYJHBear> conky is still running I just cannot see it
[19:35] <Spinfuzor> seems it works
[19:35] <AYJHBear> what should I do?
[19:35] <AYJHBear> yes it works
[19:40] <ecinx3> my prints look like crap especially compared to windows prints on my laser.. how do i properly set it up?
[19:46] <boban> when is kde 4.6.1 coming to repositories?
[19:50] <AYJHBear> anyone know how to calibrate a touch screen in kubuntu 10.10?
[19:55] <apogee91> hey guys, how can I disable the wallet Password? i donmt want this feature
[19:55] <apogee91> or have the wallet password never ask me again
[19:55] <apogee91> its annoying
[19:55] <james147> apogee91: change the password to nothing ^^ (in kwalletmanager)
[19:56] <apogee91> ok
[20:08] <tta> hello
[20:09] <tta> hello
[20:10] <tta> in kubuntu what's the equivalent of "your freedom"in windows.
[20:10] <james147> ??
[20:12] <genii-around> tta: They have a java version
[20:13] <genii-around> james147: It's an app used to bypass firewalls etc. Usually used when someone is using their laptop at work or so :)
[20:15] <tta> genii-around: please,the website?
[20:16] <genii-around> tta: http://www.your-freedom.net/index.php?id=downloads             the part that says "Java archive. Runs on every Java 6 supporting system"
[20:18] <tta> a genius is around
[20:19] <tta> genii-around: thanks a lot
[20:19] <genii-around> np
[20:37] <tta> what are the parameters of freedom to use a usb modem freely?please
[20:37] <tta> i mean "your freedom"
[20:47] <Drknzz> Hi guys! Im installing Kubuntu 10.10 right now, and as to pass away some time i decided to listen to some <html5> music online.... but nothing seems to play (using rekonq). Also, i have no sound in Amarok, but system alerts do produce sound. Is this to be expected?
[20:52] <Drknzz> O_O
[20:52] <Drknzz> Anyone herE?
[20:54] <james147> Drknzz: yes, but it would be best to wait for the install to finishes before you try to fix anything :) ... also, install "kubuntu-restricted-extras" after the install to install restricted codecs
[20:54] <Drknzz> james147: Supposedly it is being installed as we speak as i checked to install 3rd party stuff
[20:55] <Drknzz> I guess ill have to dance to my laptop's cooler's whirly sound ;)
[20:57] <james147> Drknzz: I would say, be patient... kubntu doesn't take to long to install, you can browse around the stuff on the livecd, but its best not to do to much (it will just slow down the installer :) )
[20:57] <Drknzz> james147: Yh, welcome to the wonders of multi-threaded processors accesing single-threaded devices :D
[21:23] <tta> what are the parameters of "your freedom" to use a usb modem freely?please
[21:58] <vanguard> I am looking for a little tool that converts a LaTeX Formula in a PNG or so
[22:01]  * james147 would render it as a pdf then convert it to a png
[22:02] <vanguard> james147: I guess one can do that, but I am looking for something like ekee
[22:41] <Wat_Nu> Hi everyone.
[22:42] <Drknzz> Hi?
[22:44] <Wat_Nu> Hello Drknzz. I am fairly new here...
[22:46] <Wat_Nu> I installed Kubuntu recently and now I am here... :)
[22:51] <oal> I'm trying to enable Aurorae engine, but can't find it
[22:51] <oal> Actually, I'm trying to install http://scnd101.deviantart.com/art/uniq-suite-v1-11-184479446 but it's all a mess
[22:51] <oal> Shadows and desktop effects were disabled and things look really ugly. Any help? :)
[22:51] <Drknzz> Wat_Nu: Welcome :)
[22:52] <Drknzz> oal: Did you follow the creator instructions?
[22:52] <oal> THe ones I found, yes
[22:53] <oal> But I can't find no aurorae
[22:53] <oal> Where do I enable it?
[22:53] <Wat_Nu> Thank you for the welcome, Drknzz!
[22:53] <Drknzz> :)
[22:53] <Drknzz> oal: Seems like his installer was broken
[22:54] <Drknzz> Wait and see if the author fixes it'
[22:54] <oal> But where do I enable aurorae in kde?
[22:55] <Drknzz> oal: Try installing this: kwin-style-aurorae
[22:55] <Drknzz> Or click this: apt://kwin-style-aurorae
[22:56] <oal> Doesn't find anything
[22:56] <oal> Do I have to add an additional repo?
[22:57] <oal> Kubuntu 10.10 if that matters
[22:57] <Drknzz> Hmm
[22:57] <Drknzz> Weird
[22:57] <oal> Do you find it?
[22:58] <oal> Enabling some extra repos
[22:59] <tta> hello! can kubuntu support firesheep?
[22:59] <seidos> ask shuttleworth
[23:00] <oal> Drknzz: I find kwin-style-bespin, crystal, dekorator, qtcurve and sculpture, but not aurorae
[23:00] <Drknzz> tta: No it doesnt
[23:00] <Drknzz> Firesheep depends on a windows-only driver
[23:00] <Mase_wk> tta: you can probably run it on kubuntu, but as for support ...
[23:00] <Mase_wk> you probably aren't going to get any support in this channel for it
[23:01] <Drknzz> oal: I am sorry, you will have to compile it from source
[23:01] <Drknzz> [Painful process]
[23:01] <oal> Damn... Kde looks said it was in by default from KDE 4.4
[23:07] <oal> Do you know where the Aurorae source is?
[23:10] <james147> oal: i managed to install the uniq aurorae theme using the  get new decorations button in system settings on kde 4.6 :)
[23:10] <oal> james147: how did you enable 4.6?
[23:10] <james147> ^^ suggests that aurorae is already installed
[23:10] <james147> oal: see the topic ^^
[23:11] <james147> though i think it should also work with 4.5
[23:12] <oal> Hmm, where did you find it?
[23:13] <oal> I've added the backports thingy now. Upgrading
[23:13] <james147> searched of uniq in the get new decorations in system settings > workspace appearance > window decoration