[00:11] <BUGabundo> gud naite
[00:20] <soreau> vivid: I tried the mini.iso from a pen drive but the installer still fails when it goes to start the partitioner.
[00:34] <sidnei> are the nvidia drivers working now?
[00:56] <Spirits-Sight> Anyone know status of NVDIA driver or running / installing 11.04 on system with NVIDA card
[00:57] <yofel> works fine now
[01:02] <Spirits-Sight> yofel: do you know when it was fixed?  Also what daily build should I use to create a live CD?
[01:04] <yofel> doesn't matter, since the driver isn't on the disk and you'll get the newest one from the archive
[01:07] <Spirits-Sight> reason I ask is last time I tryed the ISO for 11.04 I had corrupt type looking screen where it was many many many little blocks and I didn't know if this was fixed
[01:11] <yofel> ah, I don't use gnome myself so I didn't see that - nivida works fine for me though
[01:18] <Spirits-Sight> yofel: thanks
[01:33] <mhall119> does natty's livecd not have the 2d gnome fallback in place?
[01:34] <mhall119> trying it out in virtualbox and it failed pretty hard
[02:16] <charlie-tca> todays images are broken
[02:16] <charlie-tca> they have been all week
[02:19] <mhall119> I've got it working now, except gSettings keeps crashing and leaving me with an ugly 1990's theme
[02:22] <charlie-tca> this ?  bug 726889
[02:29] <mhall119> okay, the super key for calling the unity launcher is nice
[02:31] <mhall119> I have to try this on my EeePC 701
[02:37] <charlie-tca> heh
[02:59] <cpatrick08> i cant get the installer for ubuntu 11.04 to go past preparing to install ubuntu page the one after the localization page
[03:03] <cpatrick08> stuck on it for 10 minutes
[04:08] <aberhow> so it appears that i can't add the indicator plugin to my panel in xubuntu? anyone elase have this?
[04:20] <charlie-tca> aberhow: is the the xfce4-indicator-plugin?
[04:35] <aberhow> charlie-tca: yup the xfce4-indicator-plugin
[04:36] <charlie-tca> I did not realize it was packaged already
[04:38] <aberhow> yup, apparently
[04:39] <aberhow> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hu/source/natty/xfce/xfce4-indicator-plugin
[06:11] <soreau> Can anyone help me install natty? I cannot get the partitioner to start. Ubiquity sits with busy cursor and mini.iso net installer 'hangs' when it goes to start the partitioner too.
[06:16] <nit-wit> soreau, the daily's are broken.
[06:17] <soreau> nit-wit: Is there a way to install natty?
[06:18] <nit-wit> soreau, I think it will be resolved soon, I was looking for a earlier part of the release and didn't really find anything.
[06:18] <soreau> nit-wit: Ok thanks
[06:18] <soreau> I heard it might be fixed soon but I heard so many things
[06:19] <soreau> I never tried installing ubuntu before it's official release all these years using it.
[06:19] <soreau> and the one time I try, it's broke as a joke
[06:20] <nit-wit> Yeah to many big changes I guess,
[06:20] <soreau> Oh well, change is good etc
[09:20] <proti> morning
[09:53] <repete> Can anyone give me a pointer to a how-to for troubleshooting suspend issues/
[09:53] <repete> ?
[09:53] <susundberg> Well it kind of depends on the issues
[09:53] <repete> I have a new laptop running Natty an want to get some good debugging information
[09:54] <repete> susundberg, yea, I'm first trying to figure out what log files to explore to see if I can narrow it down
[09:54] <susundberg> http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+suspend+debug
[09:54] <Konstigt> is it still the xorg 1.10 uploads that breaks starting X? Will this be fixed before alpha3 or is it not happening to the majority of users? The system has a Intel GPU.
[09:55] <repete> susundberg, I've been trying that haystack, thx. :-)
[09:56] <repete> Konstigt, should work fine with Intel GPU, afaik
[09:56] <repete> Konstigt, it is NVidia and ATI w/ the proprietary drivers that breaks w/ Xorg 1.10
[09:57] <Konstigt> repete: ok.. my system won't start X and Xorg.0.log says it can't load any modules (http://paste.ubuntu.com/571313/)
[09:57] <Konstigt> but maybe something has broken during some upgrade which I need to manually fix
[09:58] <susundberg> repete: isnt the second link ok: http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/power/basic-pm-debugging.txt
[10:00] <susundberg> And always you can check the distributed documentation: /usr/share/doc/pm-utils/README.debugging
[10:00] <repete> Konstigt, your log says the modules don't exist for some reason.  Try `sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel`
[10:02] <repete> susundberg, hmmm... I stand corrected.  I've been searching for "suspend troubleshooting ubuntu".  Thx for the pointer.
[10:02]  * repete is a bit embarrassed
[10:02] <Konstigt> repete: thanks for the tip, I'll look into that possibility. just assumed they couldn't load because of mismatch with Xorg 1.10..
[10:03] <susundberg> repete: np, have fun while debugging!
[10:03] <repete> Konstigt, don't think so.  I'm using a laptop w/ Intel graphics and have no such problems.
[10:03] <repete> susundberg, it's always a joy. ;-)
[10:23] <coz_> hey all
[10:30] <jml> I'm getting 404s when upgrading, (update-manager 1:0.146.1).
[10:32] <mvo> jml: 404 for what url?
[10:33] <jml> mvo: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/u/update-manager/update-manager_0.146.1_all.deb for example
[10:33] <jml> (there are seven others)
[10:33] <mvo> jml: interessting, this just worked for me, I guess one of the servers we hvae is out of sync
[10:34] <jml> mvo: I guess I'll try again later in the day.
[10:34] <jml> mvo: thanks.
[10:51] <Severian> Howdy.  I have tried the first 2 alphas and neither installed.  I need to use the alternate installer.  Does anyone know if alpha 3 is likely to at least create a bootable system to start testing on?  Don't take this as a complaint.  I know things don't always work during testing and I have reported my problems through launchpad.
[10:52] <coz_> Severian,   mmm  did you check the md5sums on those cd's and did you check the cd itself ?
[10:52] <coz_> md5sum on iso rather
[10:54] <Severian> I checked the sha256sums.  Everything was fine.  And, yes I checked the CD.  The tests I did were sometimes using VirtualBox and no physical CD was needed.  The bug was not on this end.  It was replicated acros at least 4 machines.
[10:55] <Severian> I saw bug.  It was different bugs on alpha1 and alpha2.  alpha1 had video problems on hardware not rated for unity.  Alpha2 won't finish the install because grub fails to write.
[10:55] <coz_> Severian,  ooo whoa...  I will have to redonwload an iso and try it to see if there is an issue,,, so far I have not had issues with installation  with the daily builds
[10:56] <Severian> Are you using the alternate installer, coz_
[10:56] <coz_> Severian,  no I actually used the live cd for it
[10:56] <coz_> Severian,  although I will download the alternate dialy build to check
[10:56] <coz_> if there is an alternate daily ,,, let me check
[10:57] <Severian> I think I tried the live CD, but maybe not.  It is not useful for me, so I don't usually mess with it.
[10:57] <coz_> yeah there's an alternate one as well for daily
[10:58] <coz_> Severian,  well... 2 months it will be released then most likely the minimal install cd will be available
[11:00] <Severian> I was debating about trying the daily alternate cd.  I have 2 machines I use just for Ubuntu testing on new releases.  But, they have been quiet this release cycle.  I just wanted to see if there were any reports of success before I went ahead.  I have tried the install with Alpha 2 many times.
[11:01] <coz_> Severian,  I have 11.04 on one of my machines from a daily build live cd already,,, its functioning well
[11:01] <coz_>  Severian of , as you know.. there are always glitches :)
[11:02] <proti> hggdh: morning.
[11:02] <coz_> morning
[11:02] <Severian> coz_,Thank you.  I am asking about the alternate installer.  I can't use the live CD.  It won't produce a usable system for me.  Usable here means one that meets my needs, not that it boots.
[11:03] <coz_> Severian,  understood... well... I am most likely going to try the alternate,, but so far I havent .. I am sure someone here uses it
[11:03] <proti> I used to.
[11:03] <proti> For LVM and raid.
[11:04] <coz_> too bad there is not minimal install cd prior to release
[11:04] <proti> I prefer netboot / netinstall cd.
[11:05] <coz_> proti,  I have not tried that yet
[11:06] <Severian> Maybe they will be so kind as to let me know if it worked for them.  I need the encrypted filesystems and non ext filesystems.  I frequently try LVM, but so far, no release has got that down quite right.  I want a pretty complicated setup, and it is beyond what is tested for.
[11:07] <proti> Severian: What do you want to achieve?
[11:07] <coz_> Severian,   then hanging out here is probably your best shot at getting this answered ..yes?
[11:09] <Severian> Ideally, I would hace three primary partitions. /boot would be ext2.  an encrypted swap next, and then an encrypted LVM.  Or, maybe just encrypted filesystems in an LVM.  My root would be JFS or btrfs
[11:10] <Severian> I don't do them all the same, because I am testing combinations.  But, I have a few basics, like to encrypt as much as I can and avout ext3 and ext4.
[11:11] <hype> hi there
[11:11] <Severian> avout -> avoid
[11:11] <Severian> I alway hear it is best to avoid the hype.
[11:11] <hype> just wondering, from those running natty, is it possible to run gnome3 into a normal desktop session ? (ie no unity, and if possible, no gnome shell)
[11:12] <proti> Severian: Use the netinstall cdimage.
[11:12] <hype> Severian, dont listen to what people say, just follow what you think ^^
[11:15] <Severian> I'll try the netinstall.  It is dated 28 Feb.
[11:18] <proti> Severian: 2 tips -> when choosing language (first panel of the installer) choose to go back and select low priority to debconf questions.
[11:19] <proti> It'll give you full control.
[11:24] <Severian> proti, are you the kind of person who tweaks everything, or are the defaults not all well chosen?  I'll follow your advice, but I have a feeling I'll be answering a lot of questions.
[11:24] <proti> Yes, but unfortunately, the important questions are stored as low priority.
[11:25] <proti> Like woud you like separate filesystems....
[11:25] <proti> would*
[11:26] <Severian> OK.  Thanks.
[11:47] <proti> hggdh: A follow up to bug 723482
[11:47] <proti> Happens only when upgrading from maverick.
[11:48] <proti> Reduced the problem to those 4 packages -> libc6, linux-image, grub, mountall
[11:48] <proti> grub-pc*
[11:50] <jml> mvo: all good now.
[12:04] <hype> is there away to activate "indirect rendering" for compiz? i used to use fusion-icon to do that, but it's not instalalble on natty
[12:09] <coz_> hype,   compiz --replace --indirect-rendering ccp &    ?
[12:11] <hype> thanks coz_ !
[12:11] <hype> feels much better now
[12:12] <coz_> cool
[12:12] <jml> now I'm getting http://paste.ubuntu.com/573899/
[12:12] <hype> is there a way to start compiz automatically with the options?
[12:12] <jml> (sagdu == sudo apt-get dist-upgrade)
[12:13] <coz_> hype,  not sure of the best way but you could set that as a start up application
[12:13] <coz_> hype,  or create a launcher
[12:15] <hype> okok , i'll for a start script
[12:15] <hype> i'll go*
[12:15] <hype> merci coz_
[12:16] <mvo> thanks jml
[12:16] <coz_> hype,   pas de probleme
[12:18] <Ian_Corne> ok laptop is broken now :p
[13:53] <soreau> Are the natty images installable today?
[13:56] <hype> soreau, there has been some big updates to ubiquity, so try again http://www.webupd8.org/2011/03/ubuntu-live-cd-will-let-you-upgrade-to.html
[13:57] <soreau> hype: Thanks a lot
[13:58] <Pici> Oh neat, upgrade support.
[14:00] <soreau> meh, I could do without that. I actually need the partitioner to *start* to do anything useful
[14:00] <hype> soreau, you can try in a VM, as it failed in vmware for me too
[14:01] <hype> so if it works in vmware, you're good to go :)
[14:01] <soreau> hype: I'd rather just try it for real
[14:01] <soreau> no since in messing around with a vm
[14:01] <hype> enjoy :)
[14:01]  * soreau is on natty live session running since a couple days now
[14:01] <hype> arf
[14:02] <soreau> and still can't figure out how to install the damn thing :p
[14:02] <hype> i did upgrade from maverick as installer failed ^^
[14:02] <hype> install maverick, then upgrade
[14:02] <soreau> hmm, that might be an idea
[14:02] <soreau> just install maverick and upgrade it
[14:02] <hype> install maverick, then just start "update-manager -d"
[14:03] <hype> 2h later, you're done :D
[14:03] <soreau> indubitably :)
[14:03] <hype> you can use the "create a bootable disk" using a maverick iso from your live session
[14:04] <hype> (if you have a spare usb key)
[14:04] <soreau> I have a spare key but it's only 500mb
[14:04] <soreau> It has the mini.iso live net installer where the partitioner also fails
[14:04]  * soreau reboots into maverick to resort natty
[14:06] <soreau> back
[14:52] <dannyLopez> hi
[14:52] <dannyLopez> how I can update to natty?
[14:53] <dannyLopez> anybody?
[14:57] <charlie-tca> dannyLopez: Start by reading the release notes as referenced in the topic: Alpha 2 Released: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/alpha2
[15:36] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek day 2 starting in 25 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[16:55] <genii-around> Weird. Whenever I open firefox, other apps are segfaulting.
[17:59] <soreau> update-manager -d showed nothing in maverick so I'm doing it the old fashioned way with sources.list and dist-upgrade
[18:00] <arand> I don't know if they disable it initially and haven't enabled it yet...
[18:00] <soreau> The partitioner is broken in natty for whatever reason
[18:00] <genii-around> soreau: You didn't use: sudo do-release-upgrade -d                 ?
[18:00] <soreau> genii-around: nope
[18:01] <soreau> never heard of that one
[18:02] <soreau> looks like a script
[18:02] <soreau> yep, python
[18:02] <soreau> If my method explodes maybe I'll try that nest
[18:03] <soreau> next*
[18:08] <Daekdroom> This is so unfair. During this short time evdev broke my X server I learned that FF4 looks prettier in Win7 than in Natty :(
[18:14] <nemo> Daekdroom: erm
[18:15] <nemo> Daekdroom: that can be mitigated to some extent
[18:15] <Daekdroom> I'm talking bout default
[18:15] <Daekdroom> Tho Ubuntu ships FF by default and Win7 doesn't :p
[18:15] <nemo> yeah, but adding an addon isn't too painful
[18:15] <nemo> unfortunately ubuntu is unlikely to ship a menu button addon
[18:16] <nemo> of course, the theme you pick matters too
[18:16] <nemo> firefox theme if using firefox buttons, or ubuntu theme if using system ones
[18:16] <nemo> aaaand the persona, if any
[18:59] <wzssyqa> lo-menubar shows all ???? ???
[18:59] <wzssyqa> for Chinese
[19:09] <Aikar> the biggest difference is firefox on windows 7 has a chrome appearence with tabs in the title bar, where as ubuntu doesnt
[19:43] <Konstigt> could someone please look at bug #720281 and tell if I have done everything that is expected of me for the bug to continue it's process?
[19:47] <genii-around> Weird. kubuntu-debug-installer-dbg is installed but when KDE Crash Handler itself crashes, says that debug libraries for drkonqi are not installed
[19:50] <genii-around> Running 64bit Natty , Kubuntu ppa. kubuntu-debug-installer-dbg is installed but when KDE Crash Handler itself crashes, says that debug libraries for drkonqi are not installed. Usually it is plasma crashing first, then the crash handler itself goes
[19:51] <genii-around> Oops, sorry meant for #kubuntu-devel
[20:00] <nemo> Daekdroom: http://m8y.org/tmp/natty_ff.png http://m8y.org/tmp/natty_ff2.png  - that's with no firefox specific themes and default ubuntu theme for buttons...
[20:01] <nemo> Daekdroom: 2nd one uses a quick persona
[20:01] <nemo> Daekdroom: I think it looks better than default settings
[20:02] <nemo> oh. and using an addon for the firefox menu in the lower right
[20:02] <nemo> in this case, personal menu 5.0
[20:02] <nemo> my SO's laptop uses another one for firefox 4 under ubuntu, has the menu in upper left, next to back button
[20:03] <nemo> she also uses a panda persona
[20:10] <Daekdroom> nemo, latest firefox build has black tab and navigation bar by default
[20:10] <nemo> Daekdroom: pretty sure it is just using your system theme
[20:10] <nemo> you must be on a dark theme
[20:10] <nemo> I didn't change the ubuntu default
[20:11] <nemo> Daekdroom: and, even though it inherits that colour, you can still use a dark persona too...
[20:11] <nemo> the animated lightning one looks kinda cool, but I think it'd be distracting after a while.
[20:11] <nemo> maybe occasionally.
[20:11] <ubuntu_> i cant install kubuntu with the daily image from 20110301.3
[20:12] <Daekdroom> nemo, I'm using ambiance
[20:12] <Daekdroom> nemo, It's a very recent change
[20:13] <Daekdroom> It grabs metacity's colour instead of GTK
[20:13] <cpatrick08> i cant install kubuntu with the daily image from 20110301.3
[20:14] <nemo> Daekdroom: hmmm
[20:15] <nemo> Daekdroom: I use nightlies
[20:15] <nemo> but I haven't tweaked any of my settings
[20:15] <nemo> sooo. gonna update my nightly and restart
[20:15] <nemo> I bet it looks the same, w/ persona disabled
[20:15] <Daekdroom> nemo, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/02/firefox-4-improves-appearance-in-ubuntu/
[20:16] <nemo> oh wait
[20:16] <nemo> Daekdroom: are you using Unity?
[20:16] <Daekdroom> nemo, that too, but it looks like that as well in classic gnome
[20:17] <nemo> compiz keeps losing window chrome on me in natty :(
[20:19] <nemo> Daekdroom: hm. you're right. that's not a bad default at all
[20:19] <nemo> lemme disable stuff
[20:19] <nemo> huh...
[20:20] <nemo> does not look like that for me in my current profile, even with personal menu disabled. hmmm.
[20:20] <nemo> (I have minefield button in bottom right still)
[20:20]  * nemo tries a clean profile
[20:21] <nemo> ah.
[20:21] <nemo> yep. in a clean profile if I disable menubar it does look like that
[20:21] <nemo> nifty
[20:21] <nemo> Daekdroom: ok. that *is* an improvement...
[20:21] <nemo> I'm going to have to wipe stuff out of my profile. I like the default appearance better
[20:22] <nemo> (well, once I turn off menu bar, remove home button, and set small icons...)
[20:22] <nemo> kinda prefer tabs below, but not enough to change it.
[20:23] <cpatrick08> i cant install kubuntu with the daily image from 20110301.3
[20:23] <nemo> oh. cool. if I change it, menu button stays
[20:23] <nemo> on the other hand, I lose the dark colour
[20:23] <nemo> eh. tabs on top it is
[20:23] <nemo> cpatrick08: no clue, personally, but if you want me to guess, will need more detail on "can't install"
[20:25] <cpatrick08> it is stuck on the preparing to install kubuntu after the localization page and ubiquity version is 2.5.21
[20:34] <cpatrick08> @nemo it is stuck on the preparing to install kubuntu after the localization page and ubiquity version is 2.5.21
[20:35] <nemo> cpatrick08: oh. are you using a flash drive?
[20:35] <cpatrick08> yes
[20:35] <nemo> cpatrick08: check your xsession errors and do an fdisk -l on the flash drive
[20:36] <nemo> pastebin the latter
[20:36] <cpatrick08> how would i check my xsession errors
[20:37] <cpatrick08> i am running from the flash drive right now do i need to do that while not running from it
[20:37] <nemo> cpatrick08: no. you can do this all from a terminal
[20:37] <nemo> to view xsession errors, type, oh...
[20:37] <nemo> less ~/.xsession-errors
[20:38] <nemo> then shift G to jump to the bottom
[20:38] <nemo> what I'm looking for are gparted errors
[20:38] <nemo> for the flash drive...
[20:38] <nemo> sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdb
[20:38] <nemo> it will probably be /dev/sdb if you only have one HD
[20:40] <nemo> cpatrick08: there is a frequently reported bug on this with a (relatively) simple fix
[20:40] <nemo> in fact, I plan to notify a few bugs I found when trying to find the real bug, that they are dupes and there is a fix
[20:40] <cpatrick08> oh ok what is the link to the bug
[20:41] <nemo> haven't found it yet
[20:41] <nemo> but post your fdisk -l please
[20:41] <nemo> also, this bug is not natty-specific
[20:41] <nemo> it is a bug in parted I think
[20:41] <nemo> with weird disc layouts
[20:41] <cpatrick08> fdisk http://pastebin.com/ycHA8fBU
[20:42] <nemo> damn :(
[20:42] <nemo> so much for that theory
[20:42] <nemo> cpatrick08: anything in xsession errors?
[20:43] <edgy> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kubuntu-meta/kubuntu-desktop_1.217_amd64.deb  404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.92.170 80]
[20:43] <edgy> why am I getting these?
[20:44] <edgy> sorry I should say hi first ;)
[20:44] <proti> update again.
[20:44] <edgy> proti: I updated 10 times just now ;)
[20:44] <edgy> proti: the package is really not there
[20:45] <proti> It's there.
[20:45] <proti> edgy: have a look with a browser
[20:47] <proti> edgy: not sorry. the dir listing says it's there.
[20:47] <proti> But getting it says 404.
[20:47] <cpatrick08> @nano xsession error http://pastebin.com/Y85xjCPG
[20:47] <cpatrick08> @nemo http://pastebin.com/Y85xjCPG
[20:48] <nemo> cpatrick08: nothing jumps out at me, sorry.
[20:48] <edgy> proti: I browsed to http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kubuntu-meta/ and the package version 217 is not thre. 216 is there
[20:49] <nemo> although you could perhaps try running the installer in a terminal, and see if any errors appear the instant it hangs up
[20:49] <proti> edgy: It used to. It's there on the mirrors.
[20:49] <proti>  wget http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kubuntu-meta/kubuntu-desktop_1.217_amd64.deb
[20:49] <proti> works
[20:50] <edgy> proti: so this means what?
[20:50] <proti> Use a mirror.
[20:50] <edgy> proti: may be they removed it because they figured out a serious problem?
[20:50] <proti> I don't think so.
[20:50] <proti> It's a meta-package.
[20:51] <proti> It does not holds any file by itself.
[20:51] <proti> Only deps.
[20:51] <cpatrick08> @nemo that is ok you tried your best
[20:52] <proti> edgy: If there was a problem, they would'nt remove it. They produce a newer package.
[20:55] <edgy> proti: thanks for the clarification. actually the package is _now_ there ;)
[20:57] <proti> Transient problem then.
[20:57] <Daekdroom> Does anyone know if the GNOME3 ppa is installing alright?
[20:59] <edgy> now I am getting: dpkg: warning: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 39618 package 'libreoffice-help-en-gb':
[20:59] <edgy>  'Conflicts' field, reference to 'liblucene2-java': error in version: version number does not start with digit
[21:03] <edgy> proti: any hint?
[21:07] <hype> hey
[21:07] <hype> does anyone know how to deactivate the ability to maximize a window just by dragging it to the top of the screen?
[21:13] <edgy> hype: don't drag it to the top of screen ;)
[21:50] <BUGabundo> and here we go for another spin :(
[21:50] <BUGabundo> got layed off today
[21:50] <guntbert> BUGabundo: sorry to hear
[21:51] <BUGabundo> meh
[21:51] <BUGabundo> I'm a capable guy
[21:51] <BUGabundo> I'm sure ill find something quickly
[21:51] <BUGabundo> or at least I hope
[21:53] <BUGabundo> so if anyone knows of a job opening for a sysadmin, please let me know
[21:55]  * guntbert is keeping his fingers crossed
[21:56] <Konstigt> could someone please look at bug #720281 and tell if I have done everything that is expected of me for the bug to continue it's process?
[22:02] <espen77> anyone have a wacom board?
[22:18] <em> do any of you know why Ubuntu would put untrusted packages in the repo?
[22:19] <rww> !crossposting
[22:47] <BUGabundo> I tried a daily image today
[22:48] <BUGabundo> lots and lots of trouble with it
[22:48] <BUGabundo> FF and chromium crashed on some Font
[22:48] <BUGabundo> network applet crashed too
[22:49] <charlie-tca> did you get the latest spin? no, they are being rebuilt again...
[22:49] <BUGabundo> and the integration of the Menu bar with the Gnome Panel is too much OSX
[22:49] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: it was this morning daily
[22:49] <charlie-tca> that was not good
[22:49] <charlie-tca> we are up to the second respin now
[22:49] <charlie-tca> lol
[22:50] <charlie-tca> got to love ISO testing, huh?
[22:50] <BUGabundo> meh
[22:51] <Daekdroom> BUGabundo, I don't know if I love of if I hate the integration.
[22:51] <Daekdroom> if it wasn't so buggy with unity, I'd probably love it.
[22:51] <BUGabundo> yeah
[22:52] <BUGabundo> but still strange to mee
[22:52] <Daekdroom> Switching workspaces make a menu of the other workspace show up in there.
[22:52] <BUGabundo> kept looking where the bar was
[22:52] <BUGabundo> and since it kept changing per app
[22:52] <BUGabundo> was even worse
[22:52] <Daekdroom> Oh.
[22:52] <Daekdroom> I got over that by having only one window per work space
[22:52] <Daekdroom> and witching with Super+e
[22:52] <charlie-tca> I could see that
[22:52] <Daekdroom> *switching
[22:52] <BUGabundo> LOL
[22:52] <Daekdroom> It's not that bad, but it freezes too much in the process.
[22:53] <Daekdroom> and if Dash shows up by accident? You're doomed.
[22:53] <BUGabundo> I find it funny that I don't have that on my current install
[22:53] <BUGabundo> probably missing some package
[22:54] <Daekdroom> firefox-globalmenu perhaps
[22:54] <Daekdroom> I'm using it straight from the PPA
[22:54] <Daekdroom> but I don't think it'd cause that
[22:59] <charlie-tca> hm, I did something wrong again. My fast boot in natty is up to about 2 minutes ;-)