[01:56] <ekoeko> this might seem picky but is there an easy way to turn the number lock key on by default when i boot up
[01:56] <ekoeko> im using ubunu 10.10
[01:57] <ekoeko> ubuntu rather
[02:28] <szczur> ekoeko, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NumLock
[02:31] <ekoeko> thanks szczur
[03:43] <zimie> i need some help to setup a transparent proxy server
[06:51] <Guest66286> Im getting a "Cound not initialize the package information" error in update manager ubuntu 10.10. Any ideas anyone? thanks
[06:54] <Cheri703> it may be due to an error in a source, did you recently add a ppa or repository?
[06:55] <Guest66286> not sure.. i can past the specific information along with it
[06:55] <Cheri703> that could help
[06:55] <Guest66286> 'W:Duplicate sources.list entry http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ maverick/partner i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.canonical.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_partner_binary-i386_Packages), W:Duplicate sources.list entry http://ppa.launchpad.net/dockbar-main/ppa/ubuntu/ maverick/main i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ppa.launchpad.net_dockbar-main_ppa_ubuntu_dists_maverick_main_binary-i386_Packages), E:Encountered a
[06:57] <Cheri703> ok, go to your software sources list (you may need to go via synaptic or software center)
[06:57] <Cheri703> do you know how to get to it?
[06:58] <Guest66286> im getting a similar error when opening synaptic
[06:58] <Cheri703> can you open it though?
[06:59] <aveilleux> Guest66286: You can use the ppa-purge package to remove the duplicate source
[06:59] <Cheri703> ok, that works too :)
[06:59] <Guest66286> alright how to a use that?
[07:00] <Cheri703> you'll have to take that one aveilleux, I'm not familiar with it
[07:00] <aveilleux> Guest66286: open Terminal, run "sudo apt-get install ppa-purge" (without the quotes). Then run the command "sudo ppa-purge ppa:dockbar-main/ppa
[07:00] <aveilleux> "
[07:02] <Guest66286> tcrippen@tcrippen-Studio-1555:~$ sudo apt-get install ppa-purge [sudo] password for tcrippen:  Reading package lists... Error! W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ maverick/partner i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.canonical.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_partner_binary-i386_Packages) W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://ppa.launchpad.net/dockbar-main/ppa/ubuntu/ maverick/main i386 Pa
[07:02] <Cheri703> I think the other way is going to be most straightforward
[07:03] <aveilleux> Guest66286: type "gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list" without the quotes
[07:03] <Guest66286> with the dockbar part included you mean?
[07:03] <aveilleux> Guest66286: And use that
[07:03] <aveilleux> Guest66286: It should bring up a text file with a bunch of lines. Try to see if there are any duplicate lines (probably near the bottom)
[07:07] <Guest66286> got it but im not seeing any duplicate lines..
[07:07] <Cheri703> Guest66286: you could search for "dockbar" and see if there are duplicates
[07:07] <Cheri703> sometimes easier than trying to scan over it visually
[07:09] <Guest66286> ya theres only one dockbar deb package
[07:10] <aveilleux> Guest66286: You may have a duplicate in /etc/apr/sources.list.d/
[07:12] <Guest66286> same gksudo gedit command right?
[07:15] <aveilleux> Guest66286: do "ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/"
[07:15] <aveilleux> Guest66286: Since it's a directory, not a file
[07:16] <Guest66286> whats the command? is?
[07:17] <Cheri703> L
[07:17] <Cheri703> but lowercase
[07:17] <Guest66286> lol
[07:17] <Cheri703> ls
[07:17] <Guest66286> my bad
[07:17] <Cheri703> np
[07:18] <Guest66286> no such file or directory
[07:19] <aveilleux> interesting
[07:24] <Guest66286> I checked out the error report again and part of it was "Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists" i ran ls /var/lib/apt/lists and got a whole list of packages and stuff
[07:28] <Guest66286> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ maverick/partner i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.canonical.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_partner_binary-i386_Packages) W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://ppa.launchpad.net/dockbar-main/ppa/ubuntu/ maverick/main i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ppa.launchpad.net_dockbar-main_ppa_ubuntu_dists_maverick_main_binary-i386_Packages)
[07:28] <Guest66286> those are the two duplicates according to snaptic. do i need to remove them or what?
[07:29] <bioterror> remove another one
[07:29] <aveilleux> Guest66286: I'm hesitant to touch anything in /var, but I'm not very well-versed in apt problems
[07:30] <bioterror> you have it twice there
[07:30] <Guest66286> bioterror: so would removing one of the dupicates fix the problem?
[07:44] <bioterror> da
[08:27] <laxmi> hey
[08:28] <coolbhavi> hey laxmi
[08:28] <laxmi> oh
[08:28] <laxmi> u r there
[08:28] <coolbhavi> yes
[08:29] <coolbhavi> please tell us your problem if any
[08:30] <laxmi> my wireless network works but wired network does not work
[08:31] <coolbhavi> laxmi: which is your provider?
[08:32] <laxmi> nepal telecom
[09:45] <simar_> Hello everyone I have already introduced myself as a new prospective member of ubuntu-beginners team and would like to work in development focus group. I would need a master (My timezone is +5:30) and for that  I have already added my name in seeking masters list. )
[09:50] <coolbhavi> simar_: hello and welcome
[09:50] <coolbhavi> :)
[09:51] <simar_> coolbhavi, thanks ..
[09:51] <simar_> coolbhavi, you are a member?
[09:51] <bioterror> :D
[09:51] <zkriesse> Ja he is
[09:51] <bioterror> technically coolbhavi is a correct person to talk with
[09:52] <bioterror> :D
[09:52] <zkriesse> simar_: I'm a member too...but also a BT Master, BT Mentor, and FG Lead for the Wiki FG
[09:52] <bioterror> lots of dev guys coming, but not enough mentors/masters
[09:54] <simar_> i think then this should not be a problem cos coolbhavi already knows me well..
[09:55] <zkriesse> Great
[09:56] <bioterror> simar_, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/gaurav-pawaskar this is my padawan who is also interested in development, if you see him on IRC, have a chat with him
[09:57] <simar_> bioterror, thanks..
[09:57] <bioterror> he's from mumbai
[09:58] <simar_> bioterror, hmm I'm going to that place on 12th that would be for the first time ..
[09:59] <simar_> bioterror, otherwise its a far off place from where i live(in india).
[10:02] <simar_> coolbhavi, what specifically do you do coding for.. in what language?
[10:26] <coolbhavi> simar_: sorry mate had gone out for lunch
[10:27] <coolbhavi> simar_: m more of a packager than a coder
[10:28] <simar_> coolbhavi, now I know you a great everything ):
[10:28] <simar_> coolbhavi, have you checked you gmail chat..
[10:28] <coolbhavi> simar_: because m a sysadmin at work at the day :) yes mate
[10:29] <simar_> coolbhavi, hmmm
[11:16] <Cowboy79> Morning everyone are there any problems with the update servers?
[11:18] <Puck`> Cowboy79: you can switch between servers, so you can pick another one. Sometimes mirrors are down
[11:19] <Cowboy79> Thank puck already did that with pick best server
[11:20] <Cowboy79> Problem is not getting the packages its unpacking them it just sits doing nothing in terminal and update manager any idea why?
[11:29] <bioterror> hi szczur
[11:29] <szczur> hi bioterror
[13:19] <johnny77> Can you uninstall apps without internet?
[13:19] <bioterror> sure
[13:19] <JoeMaverickSett> of course
[13:20]  * JoeMaverickSett walks the path of slowness again... :D
[13:20] <bioterror> yeah, you have them in your genes
[13:20] <bioterror> there's nothing much that you can do about it
[13:21] <JoeMaverickSett> XD
[13:21] <bioterror> my friend is totally slow
[13:21] <johnny77> I thought so, but I tried sudo aptitude remove network-manager-gnome and it gave me an error - dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a to correct the problem.
[13:21] <bioterror> your dpkg is messed up
[13:21] <bioterror> do as it says
[13:22] <johnny77> bioterror: You're so helpful :)
[13:22] <bioterror> I am
[13:22] <bioterror> I think I'll go now watch myself from mirror
[13:23] <bioterror> hi cprofitt
[14:56] <gaurav_pawaskar> Hi guys, I am getting this error while pushing code..
[14:56] <gaurav_pawaskar> Permission denied (publickey).
[14:57] <gaurav_pawaskar> bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist.
[14:57] <gaurav_pawaskar> need help
[15:09] <marlow59> hey
[15:13] <gaurav_pawaskar> bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist.
[15:13] <gaurav_pawaskar> need help.. can not push code
[15:14] <johnny77> I have an wireless connection that I know works. But if I reboot it will not reconnect. Then after a day or so it will connect again. What could be wrong?
[15:14] <stlsaint> gaurav_pawaskar: you using launchpad?
[15:14] <gaurav_pawaskar> stlsaint:yes
[15:14] <stlsaint> johnny77: sounds like hardware issue
[15:14] <gaurav_pawaskar> how come its hardware issue..
[15:14] <stlsaint> gaurav_pawaskar: have you let bzr know "who you are"
[15:14] <gaurav_pawaskar> yes its showing correct
[15:15] <gaurav_pawaskar> its related to ssh key..
[15:15] <gaurav_pawaskar> i am not able to figure it out
[15:15] <gaurav_pawaskar> 1st time I am pushing code
[15:15] <stlsaint> gaurav_pawaskar: try here: http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/latest/en/mini-tutorial/
[15:15] <stlsaint> ssh key?
[15:15] <gaurav_pawaskar> yes i have uploaded to launchpad
[15:16] <stlsaint> gaurav_pawaskar: is this your branch you are pushing to?
[15:16] <johnny77> stlsaint: What would be wrong in the hardware that would cause that?
[15:16] <stlsaint> johnny77: faulty nic
[15:17] <johnny77> stlsaint: It is an old notebook.. so the nic card could just be going bad?
[15:17] <gaurav_pawaskar> well thing is, i have written code for a tool
[15:17] <stlsaint> johnny77: possibly
[15:17] <gaurav_pawaskar> new tool
[15:17] <gaurav_pawaskar> bzr push lp:~gaurav-pawaskar/randy-qt/MD5_Matrix_code/
[15:17] <johnny77> stlsaint: is there a way to test?
[15:17] <stlsaint> johnny77: look up the nic card and see if there are any bugs out in launchpad with it on the OS you are using
[15:18] <gaurav_pawaskar> this is the command i am issuing
[15:18] <tta> hello
[15:19] <gaurav_pawaskar> i created ida_rsa and ida_dsa files in .ssh dir
[15:19] <gaurav_pawaskar> but its not able to authenticate me
[15:19] <stlsaint> gaurav_pawaskar: remove that last / from command
[15:20] <stlsaint> gaurav_pawaskar: also why do you have id_rsa AND ida_dsa keys?
[15:20] <stlsaint> tta: yo
[15:20] <gaurav_pawaskar> still same error...
[15:20] <tta> if a problem occur during the installation when i select the language, how can i solve the problem?
[15:20] <gaurav_pawaskar> i guessed its failing my ssh authentication
[15:21] <stlsaint> you should only be authenticating with one key
[15:21] <stlsaint> gaurav_pawaskar: ^^
[15:21] <gaurav_pawaskar> yes
[15:21] <stlsaint> gaurav_pawaskar: did you properly upload your key to lp?
[15:21] <stlsaint> no issues with that?
[15:22] <gaurav_pawaskar> yes i did that freshly once again yesterday
[15:22] <gaurav_pawaskar> bit still its giving me same
[15:22] <gaurav_pawaskar> stlsaint: ^^
[15:23] <stlsaint> gaurav_pawaskar: have you tried the dsa key then?
[15:23] <gaurav_pawaskar> how to change encryption. I mean i have both keys
[15:24] <gaurav_pawaskar> how to force bzr to use dsa or rsa?
[15:24] <gaurav_pawaskar> stlsaint: ^^
[15:24] <stlsaint> remove the rsa key and leave only the dsa then upload it to bzr
[15:26] <stlsaint> gaurav_pawaskar: also to test you may want to create new branch, push code to that branch then merge the two
[15:27] <stlsaint> gaurav_pawaskar: also see here: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bzr/+question/80792
[15:28] <gaurav_pawaskar> okey
[15:28] <gaurav_pawaskar> I already saw this :(
[15:29] <stlsaint> gaurav_pawaskar: did you try making new branch?
[15:30] <gaurav_pawaskar> stlsaint : i am getting a fresh branch and try it again. let me check this time
[15:32] <gaurav_pawaskar> stlsaint: I am not able to get code too
[15:32] <gaurav_pawaskar> branch command throwing same error
[15:34] <stlsaint> gaurav_pawaskar: so you have made new keys and tried with new branch and still same error?
[15:34] <gaurav_pawaskar> stlsaint:ye
[15:34] <gaurav_pawaskar> yes*
[15:36] <stlsaint> gaurav_pawaskar: ssh -v yourlpname@bazaar.launchpad.net
[15:36] <gaurav_pawaskar> debug3: authmethod_lookup publickey
[15:36] <gaurav_pawaskar> debug3: remaining preferred: keyboard-interactive,password
[15:36] <gaurav_pawaskar> debug3: authmethod_is_enabled publickey
[15:36] <gaurav_pawaskar> debug1: Next authentication method: publickey
[15:36] <gaurav_pawaskar> debug1: Offering public key: gaurav@gaurav-Mini-Monster
[15:36] <gaurav_pawaskar> debug3: send_pubkey_test
[15:36] <gaurav_pawaskar> debug2: we sent a publickey packet, wait for reply
[15:36] <gaurav_pawaskar> debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey
[15:36] <gaurav_pawaskar> debug1: Offering public key: gaurav@gaurav-Mini-Monster
[15:36] <gaurav_pawaskar> debug3: send_pubkey_test
[15:36] <gaurav_pawaskar> debug2: we sent a publickey packet, wait for reply
[15:36] <gaurav_pawaskar> debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey
[15:36] <gaurav_pawaskar> debug1: Trying private key: /home/gaurav/.ssh/FE8DAC71
[15:36] <gaurav_pawaskar> debug3: no such identity: /home/gaurav/.ssh/FE8DAC71
[15:37] <stlsaint> you have something set wrong with the creation of your keys
[15:38] <stlsaint> "no such identity: /home/gaurav/.ssh/FE..." is there not a key there in your .ssh folder? and if so can you verify it is the same that is on lp?
[15:42] <stlsaint> gaurav_pawaskar: ?
[15:43] <stlsaint> gaurav_pawaskar: what is link to your lp account?
[15:43] <gaurav_pawaskar> https://launchpad.net/~gaurav-pawaskar/
[15:44] <stlsaint> gaurav_pawaskar: are you keeping all your info the same between your computer and lp?
[15:45] <gaurav_pawaskar> hey guys.. it worked.. :)
[15:45] <duanedesign> how
[15:45] <gaurav_pawaskar> some trial and errors
[15:45] <duanedesign> lol
[15:45] <stlsaint> nice
[15:46] <duanedesign> do you know what it ended up being, I am curious
[15:46] <stlsaint> anyway you can do a mini write up on how you did it?
[15:46] <gaurav_pawaskar> but thanks a lot stlsaint..
[15:46] <stlsaint> lol
[15:46] <stlsaint> duanedesign: lol, i want to know as well
[15:46] <johnny77> stlsaint: If I got a USB wireless adapter would that bypass the problem with faulty built in nic or cause more problems?
[15:46] <gaurav_pawaskar> i removed everything from .ssh
[15:46] <gaurav_pawaskar> again created rsa key
[15:46] <gaurav_pawaskar> again uploaded.
[15:47] <duanedesign> gaurav_pawaskar: well third time is a charm
[15:47] <duanedesign> ;)
[15:47] <gaurav_pawaskar> gaurav@gaurav-Mini-Monster:~/randy-qt$ bzr push lp:~gaurav-pawaskar/randy-qt/MD5_Matrix_code
[15:47] <gaurav_pawaskar> Using default stacking branch /~randy-dev/randy-qt/Randyqt at lp-65725392:///~gaurav-pawaskar/randy-qt
[15:47] <gaurav_pawaskar> Created new stacked branch referring to /~randy-dev/randy-qt/Randyqt.
[15:47] <gaurav_pawaskar> gaurav@gaurav-Mini-Monster:~/randy-qt$
[15:47] <gaurav_pawaskar> is this expected to come?
[15:48] <duanedesign> that is ok
[15:48] <stlsaint> yea
[15:48] <gaurav_pawaskar> ohh great. Finally I did it. :D
[15:48]  * gaurav_pawaskar clapping for himself
[15:48] <duanedesign> https://code.launchpad.net/~gaurav-pawaskar
[15:48]  * stlsaint gives own pat on back :P
[15:48] <duanedesign> there is is \o/
[15:49] <stlsaint> lol
[15:49] <gaurav_pawaskar> Yahooooooo!!!!!!!!!!
[15:50] <duanedesign> gaurav_pawaskar: and it is showing up here as well :) https://code.launchpad.net/randy-qt
[15:51] <gaurav_pawaskar> I am loving it.
[15:57] <stlsaint> johnny77: anything having to do with network will pass by nic
[16:36] <jamiedmattingly> has anyone had issues with audio drivers on hp computer??
[16:39] <holstein> jamiedmattingly: hp mininote
[16:39] <holstein> via hardware
[16:40] <holstein> better recently though
[16:40] <holstein> i use that machine with JACK and a firewire device usually though
[16:40] <holstein> so i dont really get a lot of testing time
[16:40] <jamiedmattingly> i have a hp touchsmart 300 dont care about the touch screen stuff but i would like to hear it
[16:41] <holstein> jamiedmattingly: do you see the hardware in lspci?
[16:41] <jamiedmattingly> ok help me out here what is lspci?
[16:42] <holstein> jamiedmattingly: open a terminal
[16:42] <holstein> and run
[16:42] <holstein> lspci
[16:42] <holstein> you should see something that looks like your audio hardware
[16:43] <holstein> that doesnt really mean anything though
[16:43] <holstein> THEN, you can run in a terminal
[16:43] <holstein> aplay -l
[16:43] <holstein> and
[16:43] <holstein> a record -l
[16:43] <holstein> ^^ those last 2 are very telling
[16:43] <holstein> IF you see the hardware there, you have a *much* easier time
[16:43] <holstein> jamiedmattingly: i dont have much time to hang
[16:43] <holstein> but try those
[16:44] <holstein> and you can also run alsamixer
[16:44] <holstein> and check the levels on everything
[16:44] <holstein> the labels can be wrong
[16:45]  * holstein gotta run...
[17:41] <NRWlion> hello again
[18:46] <xyclo> Question: After removing PulseAudio, which is not working too good, how do I manage my sound cards? I have a Zoom H2 that I use for Skype and other things, that I'd rather not use with Jack.
[18:47] <aveilleux> xyclo: You can use ALSA (uses alsamixer and alsamixer-gtk)
[18:48] <xyclo> great, I'll try. Thanks, aveilleux!
[19:22] <yoyo> hello,
[19:23] <yoyo> i cant see wireless connection on ubuntu netbook :/
[19:23] <yoyo> can anyone help me ? :s
[19:23] <holstein> yoyo: is this a fresh install?
[19:23] <holstein> or did wifi break?
[19:23] <yoyo> its fresh install
[19:23] <holstein> yoyo: the easy way
[19:23] <holstein> plug the computer in wired to internet
[19:24] <yoyo> i have plug it
[19:24] <holstein> you might need to restart to trigger the prompt
[19:24] <yoyo> after plug in to wired make restart ?
[19:24] <holstein> depends
[19:24] <holstein> im assuming several things when suggesting that
[19:24] <holstein> yoyo: what hardware?
[19:25] <yoyo> after i install ubuntu
[19:25] <yoyo> i connect to wireless
[19:25] <yoyo> today i make all updates
[19:25] <yoyo> and after restart
[19:25] <yoyo> cant see the wireless network
[19:25] <yoyo> just wired network
[19:25] <yoyo> but on Network Tools in Wireless section i can see Auto Mywireless name
[19:26] <yoyo> ubuntu 10.10
[19:26] <yoyo> when i open connection list up show just Auto eth0
[19:26] <yoyo> and when i make ipconfig
[19:26] <yoyo> show just lo and eth0
[19:26] <yoyo> before show to wlan0
[19:27] <yoyo>  iwconfig
[19:27] <yoyo> lo        no wireless extensions.
[19:27] <yoyo> eth0      no wireless extensions.
[19:28] <holstein> yoyo: OK
[19:28] <holstein> so not a fresh install then
[19:28] <holstein> its soemthing that worked
[19:28] <holstein> and then broke
[19:28] <holstein> gotcha
[19:28] <holstein> yoyo: when booting
[19:28] <holstein> if you dont see the GRUB menu
[19:28] <holstein> hit the shift key
[19:28] <holstein> and choose an older kernel to boot into
[19:28] <holstein> and see if the wireles works
[19:29] <holstein> then, you'll know a little more about what you need to do
[19:29] <yoyo> ok but first i have to wait for update finish
[19:29] <yoyo> and one problem more
[19:30] <holstein> well, resart after the update
[19:30] <holstein> that might fix it
[19:30] <yoyo> and my keybord didnt work
[19:30] <yoyo> :s
[19:30] <holstein> didnt?
[19:30] <holstein> or doesnt?
[19:30] <yoyo> not work
[19:30] <holstein> or did and does now?
[19:30] <yoyo> sry for my english
[19:30] <holstein> no worries
[19:31] <yoyo> work before
[19:31] <holstein> im just making sure i understand
[19:31] <yoyo> but after update and restart not working
[19:31] <yoyo> same with wireless
[19:31] <holstein> yeah, but you are doing another update?
[19:31] <yoyo> yes
[19:31] <holstein> OK
[19:31] <holstein> try rebooting after that update
[19:31] <holstein> then, next
[19:31] <holstein> try and older kernel
[19:32] <yoyo> ok iam waiting :)
[19:32] <holstein> then, come back and we'll search around for hardware specifics
[19:32] <yoyo> ok thank you very much holstein
[19:32] <yoyo> iam new on ubuntu server and my english is very bad :P
[19:32] <holstein> yoyo: sure, i might not be in here
[19:33] <holstein> but someone will help get you sorted :)
[19:33] <yoyo> ubuntu desktop*
[19:33] <yoyo> ok its not problem
[19:33] <yoyo> i think after update its get fixed all :D
[19:34] <holstein> yeah, i hope so too :)
[19:34]  * holstein crosses fingers
[20:27] <NRWlion> good Evening
[20:29] <mongox> good nite all
[20:30] <NRWlion> n8 mongox
[20:30] <mongox> I been meesing around with my autologin in /etc/lxdm/default.conf (im using lubuntu atm) and now everytime i start
[20:30] <mongox> i got a sign telling my something along the lines of " xsession unable to lauunch "openbox-gnome" ...
[20:31] <mongox> if i press ok i would have the desktop but probably i delete some entry or something
[20:34] <NRWlion> mongox, sorry i am not able to help :(
[20:34] <mongox> pastebin.com/3UeTnTWv
[20:34] <bioterror> sudo cp /etc/lxdm/lxdm.conf /etc/lxdm/default.conf
[20:35] <bioterror> hmm
[20:35] <bioterror> almost works :D
[20:35] <bioterror> wrong background
[20:35] <mongox> almost (soorry someone is at the phone brb
[20:43] <mongox> [sorry] someone call me
[20:43] <mongox> is kind of weird because apears that text in a very strange videomode and after i clik okey i got the desktop as usual
[20:44] <mongox> and the only thing i don't find is the button to sign out/ suspend switch off / etc
[22:03] <LucyZephyr> Ah, hello? Can anyone help a novice figure out how to set up a router? The Help Docs seem to only discuss how to turn a ubuntu system *into* a router...
[23:03] <seidos> what is the most secure version of ubuntu?
[23:06] <charlie-tca> the version as installed, before going online and adding any applications
[23:07] <charlie-tca> seidos: I think they are all about equal, since they use the same basic packages
[23:07] <seidos> who is allowed to add packages to an install?
[23:07] <charlie-tca> However, Ubuntu has always attempted to be as secure as possible for the new user
[23:07] <charlie-tca> anyone with the sudo password and admin rights
[23:08] <seidos> i met to the distro.  only canonical employees?
[23:08] <seidos> *meant
[23:08] <charlie-tca> no, canonical doesn't actually build the images, Ubuntu does
[23:08] <seidos> so it could have been compromised
[23:08] <charlie-tca> There is a very explicit list of names, though
[23:08] <charlie-tca> It is not wide open to anyone to add packages or remove packages
[23:09] <charlie-tca> If you are speaking in absolute terms, yes, anything could be compromised
[23:09] <charlie-tca> If you are being realistic, the chances are extremely slim
[23:10] <seidos> how slim?
[23:10] <charlie-tca> um, slim enough that it has not happened since the first release
[23:11] <seidos> how would you know what has happened since the first release?  have you been monitoring all 12 million users?
[23:11] <charlie-tca> that is the reason we have the md5sum checks, and other verification checks built in
[23:11] <seidos> possible it got under the radar
[23:11] <seidos> it's about who's on the motu, and trust
[23:11] <charlie-tca> I can't say that someone could not do it, I said realistically
[23:12] <seidos> i'll reinstall.  should i format my home partition?
[23:12] <charlie-tca> hypothetically speaking, not even the pentagon in the USA is secure.
[23:12] <seidos> shouldn't have to, right?
[23:12] <charlie-tca> correct, should not have to reformat /home
[23:12] <charlie-tca> however, that does not mean your system wasn't not compromised, either.
[23:13] <seidos> no way for me to record if it has
[23:14] <charlie-tca> There is also the possibility that someone could compromise an image on a mirror, before you download it
[23:14] <charlie-tca> they can also grab and modify it if you use wireless
[23:14] <seidos> ok
[23:15] <charlie-tca> but then, that applies to any distribution, doesn't it?
[23:16] <charlie-tca> Even Microsoft has handed out compromised discs before
[23:16] <charlie-tca> and, I seem to recall one of the antivirus companies doing that, too, at comdex one year
[23:18] <seidos> i am hypothesizing that 64bit is just as secure as 32bit
[23:19] <charlie-tca> yes, it is. But do check the md5sum
[23:19] <johnny77> If I'm doing a sudo apt-get upgrade why would a package be held back?
[23:20] <charlie-tca> because it depends on a package that is not ready yet
[23:20] <NRWlion> good Night from germany!
[23:21] <charlie-tca> could be a kernel header, too, which, afair, won't upgrade using apt-get upgrade (equal to aptitude safe-upgrade)
[23:25] <johnny77> This is quite a learning experience. I installed a CLI then fluxbox. No file manager, no synaptic no a lot of things :)
[23:28] <charlie-tca> Yes, that is a good way to learn