[01:23] Technoviking: hah, awesome [01:23] Technoviking: hahaha, what? [01:23] story time [01:32] * mhall119 gets the popcorn [02:23] jono: will you be around for the CC meeting tomorrow afternoon to help clear up some of the FUD around banshee? Vincent Untz added the issue to our agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda [02:24] jono: a follow-up to comments on ubuntu-news.org would be appreciated too (this is why it's better to post on your blog first, less chance for such fragmented discussion :)) http://ubuntu-news.org/2011/02/24/banshee-in-natty-to-ship-multiple-stores-and-contribute-to-gnome-foundation/ [02:29] pleia2, will do [02:30] much appreciated [05:22] hello [06:02] jussi: "IRC rockstar Jussi..." OH YEAH! [07:07] morning dpm :) [07:08] morning nigelbabu :) [07:08] good morning all [08:01] good morning [08:01] hey dholbach :) [08:01] hi nigelbabu [08:01] great to see you're back [08:01] yeah, great to be back [08:01] though my laptop isn't working yet [08:11] hola dpm [08:11] hey dholbach :) [08:14] freaking router... brb [08:20] morning everyone\ [08:21] hey kim0 [08:21] dholbach: hey, how was yesterday [08:21] excellent :-D [08:22] indeed, I was half attending hehe [08:22] 320 people last time I counted [08:23] awesome :) [08:24] morning kim0 [08:24] dholbach: wow, that's awesome [08:24] nigelb: Morning how's your day so far :) [08:24] kim0: not bad. I can't work for 2 more days thanks to a broken power cord. [08:25] is that good or bad :) [08:26] lol, I'm not sure yet [08:26] I'm going to get 2 more days of rest and good sleep [08:26] wait, I have a udw session tonight, so scratch good sleep :p [08:31] ok, wow https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78514#c19 [08:31] Gnome bug 78514 in general "copy item in edit menu" [Enhancement,Resolved: fixed] [09:32] morning all [09:33] hello duanedesign [09:39] nigelb: cool link you posteds [09:39] duanedesign: :D :D [12:30] * duanedesign waves at Pendulum [13:28] hi duanedesign [13:28] o/ [13:44] jcastro: got Unity running on my tiny netbook [13:44] so far I'm liking it [13:44] a bit slow at times though [14:52] hey alright [14:52] which netbook? [14:53] o/ [14:53] jcastro: \o/ [14:57] \o/ [15:02] \o/ [15:36] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek day 2 starting in 25 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom [15:38] dholbach and pleia2: going to try to make the CC meeting, in real life work meeting at that time, and my lappy is in the shop [15:39] I won't be able to make it - sorry [15:40] gonna be a quiet one :S [15:40] which is annoying given how much we have on the agenda [15:41] when is the meeting? [15:41] isn't the amazon and banshee thing up this time? [15:41] I suppose you'd have a lot of people turn up to watch [15:41] 2100 utc [15:41] We are doing uupc at 20:30 for 1 hour [15:41] so I will only be at the cc meet for the last half [15:42] ooh, UUPC time! [15:42] :) [15:43] Listen live! D: [15:43] er :D [15:43] we're having a quiz, which should be fun [15:43] dholbach or jcastro: is there a reason you heard from the business side we could active the Ubuntu foundation and have the money going there from Amazon [15:43] gah, can't listen live, too late in my TZ [15:43] Technoviking: I don't know anything about the business side [15:43] at least too_late_when_I'm_at_home [15:45] Technoviking, the Ubuntu foundation is not a body that is doing anything [15:45] it's a trust [15:45] there's no functionality, people or anything else connected to it [15:45] but maybe you might want to ask Mark about it [15:46] he'll be in the best position to answer the question [15:46] dholbach: the reason I asked, that it people don't mind money going to Ubuntu, just not Canonical [15:46] People don't see it is really the same thing [15:47] I don't think it's that easy to divide Ubuntu into "ubuntu without canonical" and "ubuntu with canonical" [15:47] that doesn't work [15:47] isn't that kubuntu? [15:47] * maco runs [15:47] or needs loads of money, thought, effort and time to make it so [15:47] I don't think it's a good way to solve any problems, but I might be wrong [15:47] maco, ... [15:47] i ran away! [15:48] but that was just because the kubuntu team has only one canonical employee which is quite a lot fewer than ubuntu desktop [15:48] [15:50] maco: lol [15:50] I won't take the bait [15:50] good man [15:50] darn, we tried :p [15:51] but I gotta say, that was pefect timing. [15:52] we need a quote site just for Ubuntu channels ;) [16:00] hey jono [16:00] * popey cuddles jono [16:00] jono, can we get UDW on the Ubuntu facebook page another time? maybe just link to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek? [16:02] dholbach, will do [16:03] hey popey :-) [16:03] dpm, one sec [16:03] * dholbach hugs jono [16:03] \o/ cuddlefest! [16:03] jono, sure [16:03] * dpm starts hugging popey [16:03] \o/ === m4n1sh is now known as manish [16:04] "dholbach: the reason I asked, that it people don't mind money going to Ubuntu, just not Canonical " [16:04] Technoviking: I don't get that [16:05] thats because its twisted logic === manish is now known as manish__ [16:06] jcastro: I have been been reading people thought on the Banshee issue === manish__ is now known as manish_ [16:07] more that one person has stated "it work be ok if we knew the money was going toward Ubuntu development, and not the Canonical general coffer" [16:07] dholbach, posted [16:07] jono, rock! [16:07] thanks [16:07] dpm, firing up Skype now [16:08] Technoviking: I think people think we just blow it on parties instead of ubuntu development [16:08] dpm: hey when you're done I need to talk work items with you wrt. unity docs and APIs [16:09] jcastro, sure [16:09] Technoviking: sounds like they want it run like a publicly traded company would, with published financials and such, and possibly also wanting to see budgets, like "so does money go more to ubuntu dev or LP dev?" and such, but...no stockholders, no requirement... [16:09] maco: seems to be [16:10] maco: I keep waiting for people to ask for my pay stub so the community can judge my value and then fire me [16:12] jcastro: sadly, that exactly what would happen [16:12] jcastro: I thought the community might ask for your pay stub and they say 'bless his soul, he needs to be paid more for the kind of stuff he's dealing with' [16:12] Meanwhile... back on planet earth. [16:12] true, I tend to think mhall119 is right [16:13] and I don't even know what jcastro is paid [16:14] it could be $100/year, and someone would write about how it's excessive [16:14] * mhall119 hopes it's more than $100/year [16:14] Or is it in euros? What currency does Canonical actually use internally? [16:15] Ponies! [16:15] pink ponies! [16:15] Marks! [16:15] Narwhals! [16:15] vish: ha! [16:15] Tears of Banshee developers. [16:15] vish: How much Marks would one earn a year? :) [16:15] pink narwhals? [16:15] Deutschmarks ;) [16:15] Jono get paid in pennies, cause that is more metal:) [16:16] sense: its more like how many fractions of marks one earns a year :p [16:16] I've been paid in kilos of powder made from the ground up bones of unicorns before [16:16] jcastro: I thought you got paid in keybaords for banging on the head ;) [16:16] A shame you're not beign paid in Zimbabwean dollars, you'd been a billionaire by now. [16:16] lol!! [16:16] a zimbabwean billionare [16:16] which isn't the same as a real billionare [16:17] You could try to erase the words 'zimbabwean' from the bills and pretend they are USD. [16:17] dang, my second to last week at work, and I'm going to blow it all following UDW [16:18] * popey is amused to discover that jcastro posted the very first mail to the sounder list [16:18] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/sounder/2004-August/000000.html [16:18] popey: yep [16:18] mhall119: hah, good idea [16:19] haha [16:19] I love the things we used to consider awesome back then [16:19] :) [16:19] "* User account already in the audio group (yay!)" [16:19] "Desktop Preferences Menu Entry is getting crowded these days, but you [16:19] removed the HUGE debian menu, which is good." [16:19] hah [16:19] * vish wonders why jcastro hides his @ubuntu id and uses @whiprush.org ;) [16:19] still not fixed [16:20] maybe easier to deny its not him? ;p [16:20] that was my old domain, it expired like years ago [16:20] jcastro: Utopia? [16:20] project utopia [16:20] that's what they called the stack that let automounting work [16:20] progeny? [16:20] back then it was a big deal, in fact iirc ubuntu shipped with 2.6 and utopia before anyone else [16:21] when i hear "utopia," i think "the sky is like diamonds" [16:21] oh gosh! thats 2004!!! [16:21] * maco looks at popey [16:21] good times, good times [16:21] jcastro: Is 2.6 really that young? [16:21] hmm? [16:21] sense: dapper was only on 2.6.15.... [16:21] mmm [16:22] sense: I think you meant to ask "am I really getting that old" [16:22] :) [16:22] iirc, Sarge is the release that let you choose between 2.4 and 2.6 [16:22] jcastro: lol -1 [16:23] * mhall119 turns 30 in 1 week :( [16:23] I am getting old, ancient. [16:23] it is my 19th wedding anniversary today:) [16:23] every summer i go "WOAH, ive been at this for X years? how much time have i wast--er..spent...on this stuff?" [16:23] congrats Technoviking [16:23] and my X is much smaller than many of yours, but *still* [16:23] Technoviking: woot woot [16:23] warty shipped with 2.6.8 iirc [16:24] maco: "invested" [16:24] Technoviking: wow, congrats! [16:24] Wait, what, they called HAL Project Utopia? :O [16:24] mhall119: heh [16:24] maco: at least, that's what I tell myself to justify it [16:24] mhall119: i heard some news about you, so that sounds valid [16:24] yeah, it did pay off ;) [16:24] http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/ retro! [16:25] yes, it is hard to believe someone would put up with me for so long [16:25] kirkland keeps VM images of all the old stuff somewhere [16:25] next release party, I want to try and get a computer running each Ubuntu release, side by side, for comparison [16:26] maybe every other release, since that would be a lot of computers [16:26] vm [16:26] jcastro: I think pitti has all the images [16:26] like all the released isos [16:26] nigelb: ubuntu museum [16:27] mhall119: all the x.04s and that one Late To Ship? [16:27] I am devising quiz questions about Ubuntu for the podcast this evening :D [16:27] popey: talk to lifeless, he has a bunch of trivia [16:27] ooo [16:28] I have 20 questions so far [16:28] lifeless must be asleep now though [16:28] or you may catch him at the other end of the day in a while [16:28] we're going to do this regularly :) [16:28] oooh [16:29] are they shiny prizes involved? [16:29] nah, its just for fun [16:29] we're quizzing eachother :) [16:29] hah [16:29] we each take turns to come up with questions to quiz eachother with, and of course people listening can play along :) [16:30] w00t, that sounds very interesting [16:31] * popey chuckles at bug 14475 [16:31] Launchpad bug 14475 in linux-source-2.6.15 "Ubuntu's kernels wont boot without acpi=off" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/14475 [16:31] oh [16:31] predates launchpad [16:31] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/desktop-bugs/2005-September/003240.html [16:31] http://people.canonical.com/~kirkland/Museum/ [16:31] maco: there is a museum! [16:46] jcastro, I'm done if you want to talk about api docs and WIs. Here or phone? [16:46] here is fine [16:46] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdevs-dx-n-unity-places-api [16:46] ok [16:46] let me have a look... [16:46] specifically the A3 ones === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [16:47] I think Places docs can be pushed to Beta since they're still in progress upstream [16:48] jcastro, so let me summarize the status of api docs, to see if you can use it to tick off some wi's: [16:48] heh [16:49] we are publishing documentation extracted from the -doc and -dev packages [16:50] It does not have a unified look, but gets the job done [16:51] So for C-based APIs we're good, for e.g. Vala (i.e. unity) and to have docs for other bindings such as Python, kamstrup developed a tool to birng us 90% of the way [16:52] is it up somewhere yet? [16:52] I'm publishing the output of this tool here, in the natty/GIR folder: [16:52] http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/api/ [16:52] it's on a cron job, so it's updated daily [16:52] is going to go on another user-visible thing for natty? [16:53] although in the future it will be updated weekly and it will go on d.u.c/api [16:53] like on ubuntu.com? [16:53] ah perfect [16:53] I've got a RT open to move it to d.u.c, but I've had to modify a couple of things on the script to be run there, so it might take until next week to be in there [16:54] ok [16:54] here's an example of the Unity api docs: [16:54] http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/api/natty/GIR/python/Unity-3.0.html [16:54] can I move the one bullet to you? [16:54] I can rename it to [16:54] [jorge] Documentation complete and final on developer.ubuntu.com/api: TODO [16:54] jcastro, sure [16:55] want it for beta or just unmilestoned, since I'm in there. [16:55] jcastro, I think beta might be reasonable [16:56] cool [16:56] I've moved them both to beta [16:57] sounds good [16:57] nice, the genned stuff looks nice [16:57] just need to spit it out to a user-nice-looking thing and we're done! [16:57] yeah, kamstrup is a rockstar === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [17:23] dpm, thanks a bunch for your feedback [17:24] I'll reply tomorrow [17:24] dholbach, sure, no rush, and no need to reply. Just use it if you find it useful :) [17:24] thanks again :) [17:25] yw :) [17:25] jcastro: your talk yesterday forms a content for a great writeup on unity [17:26] write it up! [17:27] jcastro: is the places api ready? [17:28] jcastro: sure. Will you post it on omgubuntu or your tumblog? [17:28] ok my friends, I'm calling it a day - see you all tomorrow [17:28] * dholbach hugs you all [17:28] * manish_ hugs dholbach [17:29] wherever you'd like [17:29] we can OMG IT if they dig it [17:31] jcastro: previous ones are on http://ubuntutalk.tumblr.com [17:44] jcastro, did you get your objectives in the system? [17:44] crap! [17:45] I totally forgot this mornin [17:45] doing them now [17:45] ugh [17:56] jcastro: man, I just created a facebook event and can't tell if it got the timezone right [17:56] jcastro: can you check https://www.facebook.com/ubuntucloud [17:56] is the event 16:00 UTC for you [17:57] Wednesday, March 23, 2011 at 6:00pm [17:57] sec, let me math [17:57] that's wrong wtf is 6pm [17:57] that's for me [17:57] hey [17:57] not the whole world [17:57] maybe you can set it at UTC time for you and trick it [17:58] would have been cool to adjust time for people [17:58] you'd think that's what it'd do [18:00] jcastro: do you see it 4pm-7pm now [18:00] 4pm still [18:01] jcastro: 4pm not 6pm [18:01] 4pm = 16:00 = right [18:01] nope, just 4pm [18:01] yes [18:01] it can't UTC .. [18:01] just prompts for which hour [18:02] I've added 16:00UTC in description [18:02] cool thanks [18:03] <--- lunch time! [18:03] I mean ... TACO TIME. [18:03] jcastro: wait! [18:04] ok [18:04] http://twitter.com/#!/popey/status/42645921351217152 [18:04] please to be retweeting :D [18:04] *hugs* [18:04] DONE [18:04] I look forward to the new season [18:04] thanks dude! [18:04] "the one where we're british" [18:04] :) [18:33] popey: [18:33] have you tried upgrading nowish? [18:33] everything should be sorted === daker is now known as daker-work [18:42] jcastro, where is that URL for testing GNOME Shell again? [18:43] http://gnome3.org/tryit.html [18:44] jcastro, and I just write this to a USB stick, just like I do with an Ubuntu ISO? [18:44] yeah [18:44] the little script at the bottom does it all for you [18:44] or I suppose you can also get the latest fedora alpha or whatever [18:45] cool [18:48] i dont think the Ubuntu USB creator works with that iso.. their own usb image writer (instructions on that page work good..) [18:48] it is writing it now :-) [18:49] I just used their script [18:49] me too.. [18:49] ok done [18:49] rebooting [19:08] jcastro, you got the Unity updates now? [19:08] pretty damn sweet [19:13] yeah [19:13] I wish I could resize the dash, that little widget makes me want to resize [19:13] jcastro, yeah [19:14] they fixed the multimonitor in the panel now [19:14] so I am finally almost set [19:14] all I need is the web app window matching fixed in bamf and I'm all set [19:14] yeah it is feeling solid [19:15] super1, chrome, super2, gmail [19:15] is how I roll [19:17] jcastro: when you mouseover the logo does unity sometimes appear but very faded? [19:17] yes [19:18] I think that's a hint that there's a launcher there [19:18] is that a feature/ [19:18] ok [19:18] I don't like it, I liked how it was before [19:18] how do you make it appear completely? [19:18] cause clicking causes the other window [19:18] either turn off autohide, click the button, or hit super [19:18] yeah, that's annoying [19:18] there's some dash/launcher/super interactions that need to be adjusted [19:18] for example "tap" on super is supposed to launch dash [19:18] even super brings up the window [19:19] but a normal super is supposed to launch the launcher [19:19] hmm [19:19] but like, the thresholds are kind of raw [19:19] so it just launches crap [19:19] it's much better this week [19:19] um, maybe make it double-tap versus hold-down? [19:19] I expect it'll get nicer here as we figure out the exact key thresholds [19:19] theres a new unity update today [19:20] cjohnston: oh, do you not have that? [19:20] i got one yesterday [19:20] but theres another today i guess [19:20] ah dude [19:21] update now [19:21] oh and [19:21] 14:20 open ccsm [19:21] 14:20 and change it to always slide [19:21] 14:20 in the experimental tab [19:21] 14:20 thats how *I* think it shoudl work [19:21] whats that for [19:21] the funky half fade [19:22] ahh [19:22] was that from a pm or a channel [19:22] pm [19:22] but you can always ask in #ayatana [19:22] but ask me, I like to traffic cop the guys so people bother me instead of them [19:23] I always do come do you [19:23] ;-) [19:23] \o/ [19:23] thats why i sent my buddy to you that night [19:24] anyway, today's update is much better wrt. the super key [19:24] though it's not quite there [19:24] cool [19:25] i want my super space back fro do [19:25] for [19:26] jcastro: you know how you can test double-click speed and have a little slider to set it for like "i'm a really slow double-clicker" mode? maybe you need one of those [19:26] not sure [19:26] I'm behind on what's going on a11y wise [19:31] given things like arthritis, i suspect some thresholds could need to be raised for some people [19:34] Just had lunch with mdz, fun fun [19:34] doctormo: on which side of the pond? [19:34] This one, he was visiting Lexington [19:34] ah [19:49] jcastro: why does my dash show up across the whole screen [19:49] there should be a toggle thing on the bottom right corner of it [19:49] i dont see one [19:50] you're up to date? [19:50] it almost appears as if it goes below the bottom of my screen [19:50] ya [19:50] hmm [19:50] sounds like a bug [19:53] did you ever find out about bug 711033 being bitesize [19:53]