| RAOF | Yeah. lp:python-fstab will be just the code, not the debian packaging. | 00:00 |
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| acarpine | raof: In this way I cannot test the package with bzr bd -- -S ... and I cannot use debcommit | 00:01 |
| acarpine | if i'm right debcommit makes some changes at changelog...so I imagine is for this that I cannot use it | 00:02 |
| RAOF | That would be correct, yes. You'll need to use plain “bzr commit”. | 00:03 |
| acarpine | i didn't use it...and when I push the code to my lp I get a warning message | 00:05 |
| acarpine | *used | 00:05 |
| RAOF | What's the warning message? | 00:06 |
| acarpine | ...Uncommitted changes will not be pushed. | 00:06 |
| acarpine | all the msg was "Working tree "/home/andrea/Ubuntu/bugsFixing/python-round2/python-fstab/" has uncommitted changes (See bzr status). Uncommitted changes will not be pushed." | 00:06 |
| RAOF | Ah, right. | 00:06 |
| acarpine | but bzr status show me that the script was modified | 00:07 |
| RAOF | Yes, you'll need to use ‘bzr commit’ to commit those changes. That's one of the things that debcommit does. | 00:07 |
| RAOF | bzr status is showing you what's changed since the last commit, and bzr push only pushes commits. | 00:08 |
| acarpine | Should add a link to my branch in the bug report? | 00:09 |
| RAOF | If you want to. It's not particularly important one way or the other. | 00:10 |
| RAOF | If you “bzr commit --fixes=lp:$THE_BUG_NUMBER” then launchpad will automatically link the branch. | 00:10 |
| RAOF | Again, not particularly important one way or the other. | 00:10 |
| ari-tczew | tumbleweed: I think tht | 00:14 |
| ari-tczew | that at this moment easier is use syncpackage instead manually making request sync. | 00:14 |
| Laney | why? | 00:14 |
| ari-tczew | Laney: because that my opinion/. | 00:24 |
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| wejaeger | Hey, anyone up for reviewing l2tp-ipsec-vpn? It's a little applet to configure and manage L2TP IPsec VPN connections. I've just uploaded a new candidate to fix all problems about which micahg and mok0 complained. http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/l2tp-ipsec-vpn | 04:42 |
| nigelbabu | Rhonda: poke? | 07:14 |
| dholbach | good morning | 08:01 |
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| Rhonda | nigelbabu: peek? | 08:29 |
| nigelbabu | Rhonda: PM? :) | 08:29 |
| Rhonda | Peter Moosleitners interessantes Magazin? | 08:32 |
| nigelbabu | Rhonda: haha, Can I PM you? | 08:33 |
| Rhonda | Sure | 08:34 |
| tumbleweed | bdrung, geser: poke (re u-d-t launchpadlib 1.9 branch) | 09:26 |
| c2tarun | Can anyone please tell me how to forward a patch to debian? | 09:26 |
| tumbleweed | c2tarun: you could go to Rhonda's talk on the subject, tonight :) | 09:26 |
| tumbleweed | c2tarun: submittodebian is a good start. Have you used Debian's BTS before? | 09:27 |
| c2tarun | tumbleweed: nope, its my first time, I was about to upload a patch on bug 726405, artur wrote in comment to forward it to debian. | 09:28 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 726405 in kbarcode (Ubuntu) "package kbarcode_2.0.7-3 failed to build from source" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/726405 | 09:28 |
| tumbleweed | c2tarun: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Debian/Bugs | 09:28 |
| Rhonda | \o/ | 09:30 |
| c2tarun | tumbleweed: and what about the bug number I should include in closes (please look at the last comment) | 09:30 |
| tumbleweed | c2tarun: I sometimes do that, but as long as the Debian bug is linked from the Ubuntu one, that should be enough | 09:33 |
| Rhonda | c2tarun: You'll receive a notification of your submitted bugreport which gives you the number of the bug | 09:33 |
| tumbleweed | c2tarun: whoah, that patch. Should you not be using -lkio instead of /usr/lib/libkio.so.4 (for example) | 09:34 |
| c2tarun | tumbleweed: yup, i'll upload a new copy within few minutes, that includes -lkio | 09:35 |
| tumbleweed | c2tarun: same for the others | 09:35 |
| c2tarun | tumbleweed: but I dont know what to write in Bug-Debian tag in patch header. | 09:35 |
| tumbleweed | oh, artur told you that | 09:36 |
| Rhonda | Wasn't -lkio part of what ari suggested? | 09:36 |
| tumbleweed | c2tarun: as Rhonda said, you'll get a- enmail | 09:36 |
| c2tarun | tumbleweed: so it means that first I have to submit it to debian, than I'll get a bug number then I'll enclose that number and submit debdiff to LP? | 09:37 |
| tumbleweed | c2tarun: sounds good | 09:37 |
| wejaeger | Hey, anyone up for reviewing l2tp-ipsec-vpn? It's a little applet to configure and manage L2TP IPsec VPN connections. I've just uploaded a new candidate to fix all problems about which micahg and mok0 complained. http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/l2tp-ipsec-vpn | 09:37 |
| c2tarun | tumbleweed: thanks :) | 09:37 |
| Rhonda | c2tarun: also submit debdiff to the Debian bug, and tag it patch | 09:37 |
| c2tarun | Rhonda: sure | 09:37 |
| Rhonda | c2tarun: Please check wether there is a Debian bug about it already, so you don't open a duplicate. | 09:38 |
| c2tarun | Rhonda: how to do that? googling? | 09:38 |
| Rhonda | http://bugs.debian.org/packagename | 09:38 |
| Rhonda | So http://bugs.debian.org/kbarcode in this case. | 09:39 |
| Rhonda | Gladly there seem to be only 6 open bugs there currently, so it should be easy to check :) | 09:39 |
| c2tarun | Rhonda: yup :) there is no FTBFS bug in there | 09:40 |
| tumbleweed | c2tarun: for bonus points, usertag it no-add-needed http://wiki.debian.org/ToolChain/DSOLinking#Notresolvingsymbolsinindirectdependentsharedlibraries | 09:41 |
| Rhonda | Don't overflow him with information which makes him explode. :) | 09:42 |
| tumbleweed | heh | 09:42 |
| c2tarun | tumbleweed: I read that page, BTWwhat do you mean by usertag? | 09:42 |
| tumbleweed | c2tarun: The debian bug tracker has two types of tags, official tags, and usertags https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Debian/Usertagging | 09:44 |
| Rhonda | sbeattie: Btw., this is totally strange. I have the patch file sitting properly in debian/patches, but dpkg-source -b doesn't like to pick it up. Do you know if there is some filename specific exclude or such anywhere? | 09:44 |
| tumbleweed | submittodebian will usertag the bug, to say that the bug came from an Ubuntu developer | 09:44 |
| tumbleweed | there's also a usertag for the kind of issue that you are fixing. Unfortunatly you can't easily set both while you are filing the bug | 09:44 |
| tumbleweed | s/easily/at all/ | 09:44 |
| tumbleweed | c2tarun: so maybe ignore that bit for now :) | 09:45 |
| Rhonda | I don't buy that "at all" :) | 09:49 |
| tumbleweed | Rhonda: how do you set usertags for two different users during submission? | 09:49 |
| Rhonda | Ah, different users? That wasn't clear to me, why are different users used? | 09:50 |
| c2tarun | well what should I choose the severity? | 09:50 |
| Rhonda | Leave it as normal, it doesn't FTBFS in Debian (yet) | 09:50 |
| tumbleweed | Rhonda: submittodebian will usertag bugs to say they came from Ubuntu | 09:50 |
| Laney | I thought that change did happen in Debian already | 09:51 |
| tumbleweed | it's certainly been announced a couple of days ago | 09:51 |
| c2tarun | What should I write in report? I never wrote one. | 09:51 |
| tumbleweed | c2tarun: but yes, you shouldn't filea bug in debian saying a package FTBFSs, unless you've tried to build that package on Debian | 09:52 |
| Rhonda | gnangnanga. sbeattie, I know why dpkg-source didn't pick up the patch. You named it gitolite-<comittish>.patch, and my -i.git does exclude that (otherwise it would pull in the .git directory itself too, which obviously fails) | 09:52 |
| c2tarun | tumbleweed: then what should I write there "FTBFS in ubuntu or on natty machine"? | 09:53 |
| * c2tarun I cannot try on debian, I dont have debian chroot | 09:53 | |
| tumbleweed | c2tarun: FTBFS with ld --no-copy-dt-needed-entries | 09:53 |
| tumbleweed | and yes, say on Ubuntu natty | 09:54 |
| c2tarun | tumbleweed: what should I write in report section and in the section that tell "In ubuntu, the attached patch was applied to achive the following:" | 09:55 |
| c2tarun | I get this error while submitting to debian :( http://paste.ubuntu.com/573861/ | 10:00 |
| tumbleweed | c2tarun: I've checked. it does FTBFS in Debian, you can make the bug grave, if you want :) http://people.ubuntu.com/~stefanor/kbarcode_amd64_sid.log | 10:01 |
| tumbleweed | c2tarun: you have an unconfigured postfix on your system | 10:01 |
| c2tarun | tumbleweed: what do you mean by make the bug grave? :/ | 10:03 |
| tumbleweed | http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#severities | 10:03 |
| c2tarun | tumbleweed: well I am getting only four here, I'll choose important than | 10:04 |
| tumbleweed | c2tarun: there should be a special category for FTBFS | 10:05 |
| tumbleweed | the reason you are only seeing 4 is that reportbug has multiple modes. It defaults to "novice" | 10:06 |
| c2tarun | tumbleweed: dont know :( I am getting only four and a message of saying something about novice mode | 10:06 |
| c2tarun | tumbleweed: yup exactly | 10:06 |
| tumbleweed | that protects you from doing things that would make people shout at you :) | 10:07 |
| c2tarun | tumbleweed: ok, I am getting this error on my system as well as on chroot, how to configure postfix? | 10:08 |
| tumbleweed | c2tarun: as to the sending issue, you could try putting "smtphost bugs-master.debian.org" in your .reportbug.conf, to totally bypass your local postfix | 10:09 |
| c2tarun | where is this file .reportbug.conf? in home folder? | 10:09 |
| tumbleweed | Rhonda: what do we normally recommend for people running into this? | 10:09 |
| kklimonda | morning | 10:09 |
| tumbleweed | c2tarun: yes | 10:10 |
| tumbleweed | the reportbug.conf manpage says "smtphost localhost" will use an internal MTA. That might be a good option | 10:11 |
| Rhonda | tumbleweed: Why to bypass the local postfix instead to configuring it? | 10:11 |
| c2tarun | tumbleweed: I am installing sendmail right now. should I add "smtphost bugs-master.debian.org" in my .repor* file? | 10:12 |
| Rhonda | please don't choose sendmail, for your own good! | 10:12 |
| c2tarun | Rhonda: then what? | 10:12 |
| Rhonda | What's wrong with your postfix? | 10:13 |
| Rhonda | ssmtp is also a quite cheap option. | 10:13 |
| Rhonda | ah, unconfigured. | 10:13 |
| c2tarun | Rhonda: actually I am not familiar with any of it :( | 10:13 |
| tumbleweed | Rhonda: the reason I didn't go into configuring it is that it may not be trivial | 10:13 |
| Rhonda | It's a *lot* easier and a *lot* less painful to configure your postfix instead of sendmail, trust me. :) | 10:14 |
| tumbleweed | many ISPs block outgoing SMTP, and many people block mail from DSL IP-ranges | 10:14 |
| Rhonda | Anyway, using smtphost in ~/.reportbugrc is a very good choice. | 10:14 |
| tumbleweed | c2tarun: if you know your ISPs SMTP relay, you should configure your postfix to mail out through that. You could also use gmail's SMTP service, etc. | 10:15 |
| Rhonda | Personally I have configured my local postfix to use a smarthost with smtp authentication. | 10:15 |
| Rhonda | That way it doesn't matter where I am, my mail always goes out properly. :) | 10:15 |
| c2tarun | what just happened :( http://paste.ubuntu.com/573865/ I thought to give sendmail a try. What is Tarun <tarun@localhost6.localdomain6> | 10:16 |
| tumbleweed | c2tarun: sendmail is horrible. Seriously, avoid it. | 10:17 |
| Rhonda | c2tarun: check /etc/mailname and output of "hostname -f" | 10:17 |
| tumbleweed | /usr/sbin/sendmail is not necessarily sendmail, though | 10:17 |
| geser | tumbleweed: pong | 10:17 |
| tumbleweed | geser: I followed your suggestions | 10:18 |
| Rhonda | tumbleweed: Ah, for that part, set DEBEMAIL environment variable. :) | 10:18 |
| c2tarun | Rhonda: output of hostname -f is tarun-kubuntu and there is no file with mailname in /etc | 10:18 |
| c2tarun | I have DEBEMAIL env variable set. :/ | 10:21 |
| c2tarun | Rhonda: ^^ | 10:21 |
| c2tarun | Guys my laptop is about to discharge :( I'll come back when electricity will come , Sorry | 10:23 |
| c2tarun | Rhonda: ping | 10:33 |
| bdrung | c2tarun: where do you live? | 10:33 |
| c2tarun | bdrung: India. Why? | 10:34 |
| c2tarun | Can anyone help me in configuring postfix? | 10:35 |
| bdrung | because i can imaging how it would be to have no stable electricity supply | 10:35 |
| coolbhavi | bdrung: I am also from India :) | 10:37 |
| c2tarun | bdrung: it feels awful :( | 10:37 |
| bdrung | and solar energy is too expensive, right? | 10:38 |
| c2tarun | need help with this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/573874/ | 10:38 |
| c2tarun | bdrung: yup. | 10:38 |
| coolbhavi | bdrung: even battery backups come at quite a cost here | 10:39 |
| bdrung | do you have laptops for this reason or a desktop with battery backup? | 10:40 |
| coolbhavi | bdrung: I do have both but with only a 2 hr backup | 10:41 |
| c2tarun | bdrung: laptops are portable :) and for students they are best | 10:42 |
| acarpine | raof: I'm sorry...was sufficient look into the branch to see that nothing was committed | 10:47 |
| tumbleweed | bdrung: something I changed in u-d-t is breaking pylint on natty | 10:47 |
| acarpine | raof: Anyway the Julian's message says "This branch is abandoned. Debian does not have this package anymore, and I don't know what it's needed for in Ubuntu anymore." | 10:47 |
| bdrung | tumbleweed: do you refer to http://launchpadlibrarian.net/65093854/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-i386.ubuntu-dev-tools_0.118~daily%2Bbzr1031~natty1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz ? | 10:47 |
| tumbleweed | aah, I didn't see that | 10:48 |
| tumbleweed | I only saw it locally | 10:48 |
| tumbleweed | ok, good to know it wasn't a local change | 10:49 |
| tumbleweed | anyway, I've let pylint skip if it fails, in the launchpadlib-1.9 branch | 10:49 |
| c2tarun | tumbleweed: can you please help me in configuring postfix? | 10:49 |
| acarpine | raof: I imagine you are in vacation now :) | 10:49 |
| tumbleweed | I'm going to land the thing and upload if there are no nobjections. It's not tested as thoroughly as it could be, butit's better than the status quo | 10:49 |
| tumbleweed | c2tarun: dpkg-reconfigure postfix | 10:50 |
| bdrung | tumbleweed: let me have a look at it. | 10:50 |
| tumbleweed | bdrung: thanks | 10:50 |
| bdrung | tumbleweed: can you check if we need to bump the version of launchpadlib? | 10:51 |
| tumbleweed | bdrung: it still works on my wheezy box | 10:51 |
| tumbleweed | I've avoidid making changes that'll actually cause trouble with older launchpadlibs (such as passing the program's name to launchpadlib instead of "ubuntu-dev-tools" everywhere) | 10:52 |
| c2tarun | tumbleweed: how can i check whether it is configured and configured correctly? | 10:53 |
| tumbleweed | c2tarun: use the mail command to send yourself an e-mail | 10:54 |
| tumbleweed | see if you get it | 10:54 |
| acarpine | raof: Anyway I re-committed the changes and re-pushed the branch and now should be correct... | 10:56 |
| acarpine | I am curious how this report should be handle now. I hope to see you tomorrow (in your next 8 hours :) ) | 10:56 |
| acarpine | tks for your help | 10:56 |
| bdrung | tumbleweed: maybe we should adjust the name later, e.g. "ubuntu-dev-tools <program name>" | 10:56 |
| tumbleweed | yeah, that's what I'm thinking | 10:56 |
| c2tarun | tumbleweed: what network block should I give while configuring postfix? | 11:05 |
| tumbleweed | c2tarun: you don't want other machines using your postfix, I suggest just 127.0.0.0/8 | 11:06 |
| c2tarun | tumbleweed: this is the default text in there 127.0.0.0/8 192.168.0.0/24 [::1]/128 [fe80::%eth1]/64___, should I change it to what you said? | 11:07 |
| tumbleweed | leave it as is | 11:07 |
| tumbleweed | oh, maybe remove the last one | 11:08 |
| c2tarun | tumbleweed: by last one you mean from [:: | 11:08 |
| tumbleweed | [fe80::%eth1]/64___ | 11:08 |
| tumbleweed | oh, and 192.168.0.0/24 | 11:09 |
| tumbleweed | you only want 127.0.0.0/8 and [::1]/128 | 11:09 |
| tumbleweed | sorry, not paying enough attention :) | 11:09 |
| c2tarun | tumbleweed: np :) | 11:09 |
| wejaeger | Hey, anyone up for reviewing l2tp-ipsec-vpn? It's a little applet to configure and manage L2TP IPsec VPN connections. I've just uploaded a new candidate to fix all problems about which micahg and mok0 complained. http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/l2tp-ipsec-vpn | 11:19 |
| c2tarun | don't know how but my terminal is using nano by default as text editor while submittodebian. How can I change it to vi? | 11:26 |
| debfx | c2tarun: export EDITOR=vi | 11:28 |
| c2tarun | I was trying to submit a patch to debian, when I was doing it few hours back there was no FTBFS bug listed there but now I am able to see this bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=554936 its very old bug with FTBFS. What should I do now? | 11:34 |
| Rhonda | c2tarun: Is it related, the same cause? | 11:35 |
| c2tarun | Rhonda: don't think so, the error log is different than mine. | 11:35 |
| Rhonda | Then that's fine. If it's different issues, seperate bugreports are absolutely fine. | 11:36 |
| c2tarun | what is bin/dash? | 11:44 |
| tumbleweed | c2tarun: a shell | 11:45 |
| c2tarun | tumbleweed: I configured postfix properly and checked. still I am getting this at the end "Tarun <tarun@localhost6.localdomain6>" why so? | 11:47 |
| tumbleweed | c2tarun: you exported DEBEMAIL? | 11:47 |
| tumbleweed | oh, postfix won't let you provide your own domain part, via /sbin/sendmail | 11:48 |
| tumbleweed | smtphost 127.0.0.1 should get around that | 11:48 |
| c2tarun | tumbleweed: shit, I exported that in chroot and I was on my system. :( | 11:48 |
| tumbleweed | c2tarun: I recomennd putting DEBEMAIL in yoru .bashrc | 11:50 |
| c2tarun | tumbleweed: done :) and submitted again, waiting for email now. | 11:53 |
| bdrung | tumbleweed: I: ubuntu-dev-tools: debian-news-entry-uses-asterisk | 11:57 |
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| bdrung | tumbleweed: bug 727127 | 12:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 727127 in pylint (Ubuntu) "pylint crashed with AttributeError in visit(): 'TreeRebuilder' object has no attribute 'visit_set'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/727127 | 12:15 |
| bdrung | tumbleweed: would it be useful to split the pylint call into separate calls for each script? | 12:16 |
| tumbleweed | bdrung: aah, thanks | 12:22 |
| tumbleweed | bdrung: splitting it would probably be very expensive. It's already very slow. It still works on sid, so I'm happy for now | 12:27 |
| bdrung | k | 12:27 |
| Rhonda | hah, bdrung. do you feel attached to audacious? | 12:34 |
| bdrung | Rhonda: a little bit | 12:38 |
| bdrung | why? | 12:38 |
| Rhonda | If you join my session tonight you might pick up a todo list. ;) | 12:38 |
| bdrung | Rhonda: why? | 12:52 |
| bdrung | audacious is in sync with debian | 12:52 |
| Rhonda | Just wait, I don't want you to destroy my examples. :P | 12:57 |
| tumbleweed | bdrung: ok, I'll fix NEWS and upload | 13:01 |
| bdrung | yes | 13:02 |
| bdrung | tumbleweed: you forgot to tag the release | 13:10 |
| tumbleweed | bdrung: just hadn't got there yet :) | 13:10 |
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| psusi | what is the difference between motu and "contributing developers"? | 15:02 |
| Laney | MOTU can upload, UCD can not | 15:02 |
| Rhonda | contributing developers need sponsors for uploads | 15:02 |
| Laney | (at least, not from their UCD status) | 15:02 |
| Rhonda | Laney: Are you around tonight? ;) | 15:02 |
| psusi | hrm... so what's the difference between ucd and my current status ( just bugcontrol )? | 15:03 |
| Laney | Rhonda: No sorry, I've got a meal for a friend's leaving | 15:03 |
| Laney | Rhonda: is it your session? :-) | 15:03 |
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| Laney | psusi: UCD gives you Ubuntu membership | 15:03 |
| psusi | because I get sponsorship for plenty of fixes now ;) | 15:03 |
| psusi | ohh... so basically it means I get an @ubuntu.com email? | 15:03 |
| Rhonda | And voting right, yes. | 15:04 |
| Laney | !membership | 15:04 |
| ubottu | Want to become an Ubuntu member? Look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership | 15:04 |
| Rhonda | And possibility to add your blog to planet ubuntu | 15:04 |
| Laney | that stuff | 15:04 |
| psusi | I've been reading it, which is why I was a bit confused on what ucd is... last time I read this I don't think that was there, just motu... think I finally need to become a motu so reviewing the process | 15:05 |
| maco | Laney: PPU get membership automatically, right? | 15:05 |
| Rhonda | Yep | 15:05 |
| Laney | PPUs get added to ubuntu-dev, which I think gives membership | 15:05 |
| maco | ok | 15:06 |
| psusi | PPU? does that mean you can now get upload rights for a specific package in main without being a core developer? | 15:06 |
| Rhonda | I think UCD is meant as intermediate state to give contributors sooner membership option and through that motivae them to contribute more. Something like that. :) | 15:07 |
| Laney | It's about recognising that someone has made a “significant and sustained” contribution, and that their contributions are through development work. | 15:07 |
| soren | psusi: That's been that case since PPU's came into existence. | 15:08 |
| psusi | oh neat | 15:08 |
| psusi | when did that get added? | 15:09 |
| Rhonda | Actually I still need to apply for PPU for logcheck %-) | 15:09 |
| * Rhonda . o O ( and irssi ) | 15:10 | |
| soren | psusi: As I said: That's been the case since PPU's were invented. | 15:22 |
| dholbach | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek day 2 starting in 25 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom | 15:36 |
| effie_jayx | tnanks dholbach | 15:37 |
| dholbach | :-D | 15:37 |
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| psusi | ok, I think I did this right.. can I get a review? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhillipSusi/DeveloperApplication | 15:54 |
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| ari-tczew | psusi: are you a Debian Developer? | 16:01 |
| sbeattie | Rhonda: doh, sorry about that. | 16:02 |
| psusi | ari-tczew: nope | 16:04 |
| ari-tczew | psusi: why are you going to join MOTU right now? what are your plans as MOTU? | 16:04 |
| psusi | ari-tczew: well, like I mentioned in the app, I'd like to get the defrag package back into the archive, and of course, continue fixing bugs in other areas I usually work on | 16:05 |
| ari-tczew | psusi: maybe PPU for particular packages is better way? | 16:06 |
| Rhonda | sbeattie: Not your fault, but it took me a lot of thoughts and time to figure it out %-) | 16:06 |
| psusi | ari-tczew: well I was thinking of asking for a few PPUs on top of motu | 16:06 |
| psusi | but figured I'd start with motu and see where we go from there | 16:07 |
| ari-tczew | psusi: so please start work on MOTU stuff | 16:07 |
| ari-tczew | psusi: are you familiar with merging with Debian? | 16:08 |
| psusi | ari-tczew: I think so... these days it seems to be mostly down to a bzr merge from the debian branch right? | 16:08 |
| ari-tczew | psusi: merging with Debian is usually by debdiffs, check merge-o-matic | 16:09 |
| ari-tczew | !mom | 16:09 |
| ubottu | MoM is the Ubuntu Merge-O-Matic, a website helping the MOTUs keep Ubuntu in sync with Debian. See https://merges.ubuntu.com/ | 16:09 |
| Laney | you can merge using the UDD bzr branches as well | 16:09 |
| psusi | I thoguht that was the old way, and the new UDD way was with bzr merge? | 16:09 |
| ari-tczew | psusi: it can be | 16:09 |
| ari-tczew | as I wrote: usually | 16:09 |
| psusi | ok... I like the new ways better ;) | 16:10 |
| ari-tczew | psusi: don't you think that 8 uploads is too small to get full universe upload access? | 16:10 |
| psusi | I didn't... I mean, I've been working on things for years now and am starting to feel confidant that I've got it down now after a number of successful sponsored uploads, so... figured the next step was motu | 16:11 |
| chrisccoulson | well, it's not just about quantity. quality of work matters too, and you can't just assume quality if there is quantity | 16:12 |
| Rhonda | ari-tczew: Don't you think that's something for the membership board to judge? | 16:12 |
| ari-tczew | chrisccoulson: IMO quantity means the level of expierence. | 16:12 |
| chrisccoulson | ari-tczew, not really | 16:12 |
| Rhonda | Sheer quantity is a very back ruler | 16:12 |
| Rhonda | ari-tczew: IMO it doesn't. | 16:13 |
| ari-tczew | Rhonda: this is MOTU channel, psusi is asking here so I'm answering my opinion. can't I? | 16:13 |
| chrisccoulson | if somebody does 100 very simple trivial merges, it does't demonstrate much experience | 16:13 |
| cody-somerville | ari-tczew, They're just sharing their opinion too :) | 16:13 |
| Rhonda | ari-tczew: Sure you can, but like said, the amount of uploads is just a number and doesn't say much. | 16:13 |
| ari-tczew | ok last question. | 16:13 |
| ari-tczew | psusi: are you Canonical employee? | 16:14 |
| Rhonda | And if you like to book that rule of expressing opinions, so can others. | 16:14 |
| psusi | ari-tczew: nope | 16:14 |
| c2tarun | chrisccoulson: what kind of merges or fixes necessary for good experience? | 16:14 |
| ari-tczew | oh! I'm suprised | 16:14 |
| psusi | you are? | 16:14 |
| ari-tczew | yes | 16:14 |
| psusi | if I were, I'd be a core-devl wouldn't I? ;) | 16:14 |
| chrisccoulson | not necessarily, i'm not a core-dev ;) | 16:14 |
| psusi | though Keybuck did tell me I should apply once... | 16:14 |
| ari-tczew | psusi: yes, Canonical staff like to join directly core-dev | 16:14 |
| psusi | I'll get there eventually most likely | 16:15 |
| chrisccoulson | ari-tczew, that's just not true i'm afraid | 16:15 |
| ari-tczew | psusi: well, I've been disagreed here. Let's complete endorsements from your sponsors. | 16:15 |
| chrisccoulson | canonical employees go through the same process as everybody else | 16:16 |
| ari-tczew | (on wiki page) | 16:16 |
| Rhonda | Sure, but just because they go through the same process doesn't mean that they can't apply directly to core-dev :) | 16:17 |
| psusi | so the page is complete and correct so far? | 16:17 |
| chrisccoulson | indeed :) but the same also applies to people who aren't employed by canonical ;) | 16:18 |
| Rhonda | It's all a matter of the quality and visibility of the contributions, not the quantity. | 16:18 |
| ari-tczew | psusi: Things I could do better and Plans for the future are empty | 16:18 |
| Rhonda | I have no number at hands of how few sync requests I did send before I applied for MOTU, but I doubt that they were very many. | 16:19 |
| ari-tczew | psusi: and of course there is not any endorse, you have to ask your sponsors | 16:19 |
| psusi | right... that's next step | 16:20 |
| Laney | It's not surprising that people who work on main all day every day end up asking for upload rights to it... | 16:21 |
| ari-tczew | Rhonda, chrisccoulson: well, I mean that if someone works often on bugs, there is no point to give full upload access | 16:21 |
| ari-tczew | sorry, no often | 16:21 |
| ari-tczew | rarely, I mean | 16:22 |
| Rhonda | Actually, bugs have to get applied eventually. Having to look for sponsors all the time, when one fixes the bugs, can be quite tedious and depressing.# | 16:22 |
| Rhonda | of course, the bug *fixes* have to get applied, not the bugs. %-) | 16:22 |
| chrisccoulson | ari-tczew, i spend a lot of time on bugs, shouldn't i have upload access? :/ | 16:23 |
| ari-tczew | chrisccoulson: typo, I mean rarely working bugs, no often | 16:23 |
| chrisccoulson | ah, ok. thanks for clarifying | 16:23 |
| ari-tczew | np | 16:23 |
| ari-tczew | Rhonda, chrisccoulson: don't you agree with my opinion? | 16:24 |
| c2tarun | What kind of bugs are good to work on for good experience? | 16:25 |
| psusi | I've been pretty happy lately with the new udd branch linking and merging, and patch pilot program... been getting sponsorship quickly and easily. | 16:25 |
| psusi | been such a smooth process I figure I must be doing it right ;) | 16:26 |
| ari-tczew | c2tarun: it's not straightforward to tell what you should do to get expierence. every person is another. | 16:26 |
| Rhonda | ari-tczew, usually not. Where did you pick up that "rarely" from? | 16:26 |
| psusi | used to be a pita though... | 16:26 |
| Rhonda | ari-tczew: And if your opinion is the one of quantity over quality, I couldn't disagree any stronger with. | 16:27 |
| ari-tczew | Rhonda: https://launchpad.net/~psusi/+uploaded-packages | 16:27 |
| ari-tczew | Rhonda: uploads twice a year | 16:27 |
| ari-tczew | does it need to get upload access? | 16:28 |
| Rhonda | Depends, and again (for the last time) not judgable only by that quantity marks. | 16:28 |
| Rhonda | Please try to be less demotivating. | 16:28 |
| psusi | hrm... I don't think that list is complete... | 16:28 |
| ari-tczew | Rhonda: I'm not going to demotivate. | 16:29 |
| ari-tczew | Rhonda: psusi asked for feedback, he got it. | 16:29 |
| Rhonda | That might very well be, but you come across like that. | 16:29 |
| cody-somerville | ari-tczew, add smiley faces to your messages. :) | 16:30 |
| MTecknology | Ampelbein: I'm trying ot have the packaging remove /etc/logrotate.d/nginx-{full,light,extras}. Things install fine; but the file doesn't go away. Packaging that I'm testing with.. http://tinyurl.com/ngx-pkg-testing | 16:30 |
| ari-tczew | Rhonda: sorry, I won't lie. | 16:30 |
| cody-somerville | ari-tczew, I don't think Rhonda was asking you to. :) | 16:30 |
| Rhonda | Noone ask that. | 16:30 |
| ari-tczew | Rhonda: go send message to community council that I say my opinion, because it's demotivating! | 16:31 |
| mr_pouit | sigh | 16:31 |
| ari-tczew | sorry, simple joke | 16:32 |
| cody-somerville | ari-tczew, Not funny. | 16:32 |
| cody-somerville | ari-tczew, :( | 16:32 |
| psusi | yea, there's definitely a few kernel patches missing from that list | 16:32 |
| Rhonda | I wonder how you come down that road, and if you like to wave that flag around all the time, it isn't helping you in any way. | 16:32 |
| ari-tczew | Rhonda: I don't care. | 16:32 |
| ari-tczew | I won't lie to keep CoC. | 16:33 |
| c2tarun | can anyone please help me with this error. http://paste.ubuntu.com/574005/ | 16:33 |
| Rhonda | Again, noone asks you to lie. All that is asked to be less demotivating and more encouraging to others. | 16:33 |
| ari-tczew | Rhonda: OK I'll do it just for YOU! | 16:34 |
| ari-tczew | psusi: It's very very great that you are involved with making Ubuntu better! | 16:34 |
| Ampelbein | MTecknology: I'll have a look now. | 16:34 |
| ari-tczew | psusi: However, I guess it's too early to get full upload access for universe. | 16:34 |
| ari-tczew | psusi: I encourage you to do something else for universe. | 16:35 |
| psusi | such as? | 16:35 |
| cody-somerville | ari-tczew, I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic but that approach is much better! +1 :) | 16:35 |
| Rhonda | ari-tczew: You shouldn't do it for me, you should do it for yourself and for the community. | 16:35 |
| debfx | c2tarun: the lib order is wrong, -latom4 and -lxatom4 have to be the first libraries | 16:36 |
| ari-tczew | psusi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU#MOTU%20Processes | 16:36 |
| debfx | c2tarun: like that: ... -L/usr/X11R6/lib -latom4 -lxatom4 -lt++ -lpanel -lncurses -lX11 -lXpm | 16:37 |
| MTecknology | Ampelbein: thanks; I'm really fumbling around | 16:37 |
| c2tarun | debfx: ok, it worked. Can you please help me in finding the file in which I should make change in order to fix this bug? I tried but failed, there are no Makefiles here | 16:38 |
| debfx | c2tarun: if you tell me which package it is :) | 16:39 |
| c2tarun | debfx: sure :) its atom4 | 16:39 |
| psusi | I had done a merge of lvm2 but before it got reviewed and sponsored, someone else did the same... that was a hairy one... | 16:39 |
| ari-tczew | debfx: how do you check which library is missing if got error undefined reference? | 16:40 |
| debfx | ari-tczew: usually either ld tells you which library is missing or the order is wrong | 16:43 |
| c2tarun | debfx: in one package it told that to add /usr/lib/libkio.so.4 , it worked but on adding lkio also it worked? what's the diff | 16:45 |
| MTecknology | Ampelbein: to test.. I do this... debchroot sid sid; chroot sid; aptitude install nginx-full; echo "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/nginx/package-testing/ubuntu lucid main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update; aptitude full-upgrade That file 'should' be gone. | 16:46 |
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| debfx | c2tarun: in the file Construct you need to change this line: $LIBS = "$PROGLIB $NCURSESLIB $X11LIB -latom4 -lxatom4"; | 16:47 |
| c2tarun | debfx: two questions, one I asked few seconds ago and other is how you find this Construct file? | 16:48 |
| debfx | c2tarun: you should use -lkio, it's more generic | 16:49 |
| debfx | c2tarun: I've just searched for "x11" in the package files | 16:50 |
| Ampelbein | MTecknology: yeah, I have a similar setup for testing. | 16:50 |
| MTecknology | Ampelbein: the 0.8.54-3 in the last version is what's in sid right now | 16:51 |
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| MTecknology | Ampelbein: you see anything? | 17:28 |
| Ampelbein | MTecknology: ok.. I don't know why, but putting 0.8.54-4 as version argument to dpkg-maint-helper works | 17:28 |
| Ampelbein | MTecknology: but from the wording of the man page, it shouldn't | 17:28 |
| Ampelbein | MTecknology: because -3 was the last version to ship that configfile | 17:28 |
| Ampelbein | MTecknology: http://paste.ubuntu.com/574034/ | 17:29 |
| MTecknology | Ampelbein: it's that simple?... | 17:29 |
| MTecknology | wow | 17:30 |
| Ampelbein | MTecknology: apparently yes. | 17:30 |
| MTecknology | I'll build and try it.. | 17:30 |
| MTecknology | Ampelbein: hm... it still exists for me.. | 18:03 |
| MTecknology | Ampelbein: http://dpaste.com/462477/ | 18:04 |
| MTecknology | Line 51 is where it should be moved.. | 18:05 |
| MTecknology | Ampelbein: what did you use as a base install? | 18:09 |
| MTecknology | sid, 11.04, ? | 18:09 |
| Ampelbein | MTecknology: I used a sid-pbuilder environment (pbuilder-dist sid login) | 18:14 |
| MTecknology | Ampelbein: did you first install nginx; then do the upgrade to my packaged version? | 18:16 |
| ari-tczew | Daviey: good point on kbarcode sponsorship | 18:31 |
| Daviey | ari-tczew, But it's exploded in my face... :) | 18:34 |
| MTecknology | Ampelbein: here's a pastebin of the whole process I took with the undesired result.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/574062/ | 18:34 |
| Daviey | ari-tczew, Someone beat me to uploading it by 10 mins... after i successfully dput'd, i pushed to lp:ubuntu/kbarcode... :/ | 18:35 |
| ari-tczew | Daviey: can't you just use dput? | 18:35 |
| ari-tczew | branch should be imported automatically | 18:36 |
| Daviey | ari-tczew, yes - but trying to maintain bzr history and get UDD ready :) | 18:36 |
| Daviey | <-- food | 18:37 |
| MTecknology | I wish I could just toss a simple 'rm /etc/logrotate.d/nginx-*' in nginx-common.postinst... | 18:39 |
| MTecknology | I'm starting to get very tempted to do that | 18:39 |
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| Ampelbein | MTecknology: I don't know why that worked for me and not for you. I'm out of ideas tbh | 18:42 |
| MTecknology | Ampelbein: could you try doing the exact same thing that I did? | 18:42 |
| Ampelbein | MTecknology: k | 18:42 |
| Ampelbein | MTecknology: you could post do ubuntu-motu mailing list and ask for help or debian developer, if that doesn't work | 18:43 |
| MTecknology | Ampelbein: I'll do that; my fiancee just got here so we're probably going to do some wedding stuff and then eat; I'll be back later | 18:44 |
| MTecknology | Ampelbein: If you figure it out; I'll kiss you (or something equivalent); otherwise that shoulds like a really good idea that I didn't think of. :) | 18:45 |
| MTecknology | the DD I've been talking to doesn't seem to know, but also doesn't seem to have the time to really look | 18:45 |
| MTecknology | Thanks for all the help you're giving me too. :) | 18:45 |
| ari-tczew | Daviey: heh, ogra was faster | 18:55 |
| ogra | yeah | 18:55 |
| ogra | we're just discussing the impact :) | 18:55 |
| Daviey | :S | 18:55 |
| ari-tczew | ogra: it's fantastic how Canonical staff fight for sponsorships! | 18:55 |
| ogra | haha | 18:56 |
| ogra | you didnt know we get a bonus of $1 for each upload ?? | 18:56 |
| ogra | *g* | 18:56 |
| ari-tczew | ogra: I hear only about euro :D | 18:56 |
| ogra | heh | 18:56 |
| c2tarun | I am working on fixing ftbfs of a package, I need to make change in a file. but that package is not following any patching system. Can I just add 3.0 quilt or should I make change directly? | 19:02 |
| ari-tczew | c2tarun: directly | 19:02 |
| dajhorn | In an Ubuntu package, what is the right way for a script to test for a 32-bit environment at runtime? | 19:31 |
| ogra | ari-tczew, bug 725933 looks fine to me (you were waiting for more info on it it seems, does it look sufficientto you ?) | 19:32 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 725933 in ivtv-utils (Ubuntu) "Package ivtv-utils-1.4.1 failed to build from source" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/725933 | 19:32 |
| micahg | dajhorn: why are you doing that? | 19:33 |
| dajhorn | micahg: I'm working on the zfs-dkms package. I need to create a /etc/grub.d/ stub that sets a kernel parameter if the host is 32-bit. | 19:34 |
| dajhorn | micahg: I looked lsb_release and uname, but figured that there is an Ubuntu Way to check. | 19:35 |
| micahg | dajhorn: well, there's dpkg --print-architecture | 19:36 |
| dajhorn | micahg: Thanks. That seems like a good way. | 19:36 |
| micahg | dajhorn: there's dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH_BITS, but I don't know how fragile it is | 19:40 |
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| dajhorn | micahg: That's even better. (The problem is that vmem= must be increased on a 32 machine, even on a non-i386 arch.) | 19:42 |
| ari-tczew | ogra: d/changelog has bug - should add LP: as well, and he didn't add DEP3 headers | 19:43 |
| ogra | + * debian/patches/04_fix_ftbfs_binutils-gold.dpatch | 19:45 |
| ogra | + - Fix FTBFS with binutils-gold. (Closes: #615989) | 19:45 |
| ogra | thats not enough for you ? | 19:45 |
| ogra | oh, heh | 19:45 |
| ogra | closes a different bug, fun | 19:45 |
| ari-tczew | ogra: bug is correct | 19:47 |
| ari-tczew | debian bug 615989 | 19:47 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 615989 in ivtv-utils "ivtv-utils: Package failed to build from source on Ubuntu natty" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/615989 | 19:47 |
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| ari-tczew | ogra: online? | 20:25 |
| ogra | yes | 20:25 |
| ari-tczew | ogra: seems you have been disconnected. | 20:25 |
| ari-tczew | ogra: about iv-tv, if you want, you can complete his debdiff and upload | 20:26 |
| ari-tczew | ogra: just add (LP: #xxxx) as well and add Bug-Debian into patch | 20:26 |
| ogra | well, i see he added headers to the diff | 20:27 |
| ogra | is there a debian bug ? i dont see one linked | 20:27 |
| ari-tczew | Fix FTBFS with binutils-gold. (LP: #725933, Closes: #615989) | 20:27 |
| ari-tczew | use it | 20:27 |
| ogra | oh, thats the debian one | 20:27 |
| ogra | i was looking at the bug tasks | 20:27 |
| ogra | right | 20:27 |
| ari-tczew | yes he should add task on Debian as well | 20:28 |
| ari-tczew | you can do it if you have time | 20:28 |
| wejaeger | Hey, anyone up for reviewing l2tp-ipsec-vpn? It's a little applet to configure and manage L2TP IPsec VPN connections. I've just uploaded a new candidate to fix all problems about which micahg and mok0 complained. http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/l2tp-ipsec-vpn | 20:32 |
| MTecknology | Ampelbein: What happened? | 20:54 |
| Ampelbein | MTecknology: I can't reproduce my success on a totally clean environment | 20:57 |
| mok0_ | wejaeger: I'll take another look tomorrow | 21:02 |
| wejaeger | mok0: great, thank you so much! | 21:14 |
| xelister | hello | 22:01 |
| xelister | is it easy to take say Ubuntu, and make a custom installation CD that executes as root some script at end of installation ? | 22:02 |
| micahg | !support | xelister | 22:10 |
| ubottu | xelister: The official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Please be aware that this channel is for development only. | 22:10 |
| xelister | micahg: this is development, not using | 22:10 |
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| xelister | is it not | 22:10 |
| ari-tczew | micahg: not this time ;) | 22:12 |
| micahg | ari-tczew: huh? I stand by my comment | 22:12 |
| micahg | either that or #ubuntu-installer | 22:12 |
| xelister | hmm.. how to DEVELOP addition to the ubuntu installer, in a form of a script run at end | 22:12 |
| xelister | sorry to interrupt all conversations here with my development question ;) if it was ot on this channel | 22:13 |
| micahg | xelister: sorry, lots of things going on, #ubuntu-installer would probably be a better place to get an answer to your question, we mainly deal with universe packages here | 22:16 |
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| em | Do any of you know why Ubuntu would put untrusted packages in the Repo? | 22:20 |
| ari-tczew | em: what do you mean by untrusted packages? | 22:20 |
| cody-somerville | em, What do you mean? | 22:20 |
| em | I just did: sudo aptitude install inkscape | 22:20 |
| em | and I got the following warning: | 22:20 |
| arand | em: Have you added a PPA? | 22:21 |
| em | WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed! | 22:21 |
| cody-somerville | em, Can you pastebin the output of apt-cache policy inkscape? | 22:21 |
| em | No I have not. | 22:21 |
| em | okay | 22:21 |
| em | cody-somerville: http://pastebin.com/FuQY2aZL | 22:25 |
| em | These are the warnings it gave - http://pastebin.com/743emHBG | 22:26 |
| cody-somerville | em, Can you pastebin the output of the following?: apt-cache policy python-renderpm | 22:27 |
| em | http://pastebin.com/ckKnbqSZ <-- cody-somerville | 22:30 |
| cody-somerville | em, Can you pastebin the output of sudo apt-key list? | 22:31 |
| em | is any of this sensitive info? | 22:32 |
| em | cody-somerville: ^ | 22:34 |
| kklimonda | no | 22:34 |
| kklimonda | unless you have added some secret keys | 22:34 |
| em | http://pastebin.com/EUDxuTif | 22:35 |
| em | I have not | 22:35 |
| em | cody-somerville: the apt-key list ^ | 22:36 |
| em | has anything been learned here? | 22:37 |
| cody-somerville | em, try running sudo apt-get update and then try installing inkscape again. | 22:38 |
| em | okay ive not installed it a first time because i chose "no" | 22:38 |
| em | well that time it did not throw the warning. | 22:40 |
| em | cody-somerville: what was the issue? | 22:42 |
| cody-somerville | em, Not sure. Maybe the last time you did 'apt-get update' your mirror was in the process of updating or something? | 22:45 |
| em | yeah im not sure | 22:53 |
| seidos | are only canonical employees allowed to add packages to the distro release? | 23:08 |
| maco | no | 23:08 |
| maco | the ubuntu desktop team, kubuntu team, edubuntu team, etc decide what each of them will ship as default, usually at an Ubuntu Developer Summit | 23:09 |
| maco | these occur May-ish and November-ish | 23:09 |
| maco | and include community members as well | 23:09 |
| lifeless | and many canonical staff that work on Ubuntu cannot add packages | 23:10 |
| lifeless | they have to go through the same process everyone else does to earn that ability | 23:11 |
| porthose | lifeless I beg to differ, not to pick on kate stewart, she is our new release manager, she is not a motu, she is not a core-dev but yet she is an archive admin or should I say thats what her launchpad page states https://launchpad.net/~kate.stewart. | 23:20 |
| maco | archive admins don't change seeds though, do they? | 23:20 |
| maco | just click the green button after a motu or core-dev uploads a new package | 23:20 |
| lifeless | right | 23:21 |
| lifeless | she can't sign an upload | 23:21 |
| udienz | micahg, about gkamus, rpath has been fixed and re-uploaded again in revu | 23:31 |
| micahg | udienz: I won't be able to look at it for a few days | 23:38 |
| udienz | micahg, oh okay | 23:38 |
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