[00:00] <RAOF> Yeah.  lp:python-fstab will be just the code, not the debian packaging.
[00:01] <acarpine> raof: In this way I cannot test the package with bzr bd -- -S ... and I cannot use debcommit
[00:02] <acarpine> if i'm right debcommit makes some changes at changelog...so I imagine is for this that I cannot use it
[00:03] <RAOF> That would be correct, yes.  You'll need to use plain “bzr commit”.
[00:05] <acarpine> i didn't use it...and when I push the code to my lp I get a warning message
[00:05] <acarpine> *used
[00:06] <RAOF> What's the warning message?
[00:06] <acarpine> ...Uncommitted changes will not be pushed.
[00:06] <acarpine> all the msg was "Working tree "/home/andrea/Ubuntu/bugsFixing/python-round2/python-fstab/" has uncommitted changes (See bzr status). Uncommitted changes will not be pushed."
[00:06] <RAOF> Ah, right.
[00:07] <acarpine> but bzr status show me that the script was modified
[00:07] <RAOF> Yes, you'll need to use ‘bzr commit’ to commit those changes.  That's one of the things that debcommit does.
[00:08] <RAOF> bzr status is showing you what's changed since the last commit, and bzr push only pushes commits.
[00:09] <acarpine> Should add a link to my branch in the bug report?
[00:10] <RAOF> If you want to.  It's not particularly important one way or the other.
[00:10] <RAOF> If you “bzr commit --fixes=lp:$THE_BUG_NUMBER” then launchpad will automatically link the branch.
[00:10] <RAOF> Again, not particularly important one way or the other.
[00:14] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: I think tht
[00:14] <ari-tczew> that at this moment easier is use syncpackage instead manually making request sync.
[00:14] <Laney> why?
[00:24] <ari-tczew> Laney: because that my opinion/.
[04:42] <wejaeger> Hey, anyone up for reviewing l2tp-ipsec-vpn? It's a little applet to configure and manage L2TP IPsec VPN connections. I've just uploaded a new candidate to fix all problems about which micahg and mok0 complained. http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/l2tp-ipsec-vpn
[07:14] <nigelbabu> Rhonda: poke?
[08:01] <dholbach> good morning
[08:29] <Rhonda> nigelbabu: peek?
[08:29] <nigelbabu> Rhonda: PM? :)
[08:32] <Rhonda> Peter Moosleitners interessantes Magazin?
[08:33] <nigelbabu> Rhonda: haha, Can I PM you?
[08:34] <Rhonda> Sure
[09:26] <tumbleweed> bdrung, geser: poke (re u-d-t launchpadlib 1.9 branch)
[09:26] <c2tarun> Can anyone please tell me how to forward a patch to debian?
[09:26] <tumbleweed> c2tarun: you could go to Rhonda's talk on the subject, tonight :)
[09:27] <tumbleweed> c2tarun: submittodebian is a good start. Have you used Debian's BTS before?
[09:28] <c2tarun> tumbleweed: nope, its my first time, I was about to upload a patch on bug 726405, artur wrote in comment to forward it to debian.
[09:28] <tumbleweed> c2tarun: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Debian/Bugs
[09:30] <Rhonda> \o/
[09:30] <c2tarun> tumbleweed: and what about the bug number I should include in closes (please look at the last comment)
[09:33] <tumbleweed> c2tarun: I sometimes do that, but as long as the Debian bug is linked from the Ubuntu one, that should be enough
[09:33] <Rhonda> c2tarun: You'll receive a notification of your submitted bugreport which gives you the number of the bug
[09:34] <tumbleweed> c2tarun: whoah, that patch. Should you not be using -lkio instead of /usr/lib/libkio.so.4 (for example)
[09:35] <c2tarun> tumbleweed: yup, i'll upload a new copy within few minutes, that includes -lkio
[09:35] <tumbleweed> c2tarun: same for the others
[09:35] <c2tarun> tumbleweed: but I dont know what to write in Bug-Debian tag in patch header.
[09:36] <tumbleweed> oh, artur told you that
[09:36] <Rhonda> Wasn't -lkio part of what ari suggested?
[09:36] <tumbleweed> c2tarun: as Rhonda said, you'll get a- enmail
[09:37] <c2tarun> tumbleweed: so it means that first I have to submit it to debian, than I'll get a bug number then I'll enclose that number and submit debdiff to LP?
[09:37] <tumbleweed> c2tarun: sounds good
[09:37] <wejaeger> Hey, anyone up for reviewing l2tp-ipsec-vpn? It's a little applet to configure and manage L2TP IPsec VPN connections. I've just uploaded a new candidate to fix all problems about which micahg and mok0 complained. http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/l2tp-ipsec-vpn
[09:37] <c2tarun> tumbleweed: thanks :)
[09:37] <Rhonda> c2tarun: also submit debdiff to the Debian bug, and tag it patch
[09:37] <c2tarun> Rhonda: sure
[09:38] <Rhonda> c2tarun: Please check wether there is a Debian bug about it already, so you don't open a duplicate.
[09:38] <c2tarun> Rhonda: how to do that? googling?
[09:38] <Rhonda> http://bugs.debian.org/packagename
[09:39] <Rhonda> So http://bugs.debian.org/kbarcode in this case.
[09:39] <Rhonda> Gladly there seem to be only 6 open bugs there currently, so it should be easy to check :)
[09:40] <c2tarun> Rhonda: yup :) there is no FTBFS bug in there
[09:41] <tumbleweed> c2tarun: for bonus points, usertag it no-add-needed http://wiki.debian.org/ToolChain/DSOLinking#Notresolvingsymbolsinindirectdependentsharedlibraries
[09:42] <Rhonda> Don't overflow him with information which makes him explode. :)
[09:42] <tumbleweed> heh
[09:42] <c2tarun> tumbleweed: I read that page, BTWwhat do you mean by usertag?
[09:44] <tumbleweed> c2tarun: The debian bug tracker has two types of tags, official tags, and usertags https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Debian/Usertagging
[09:44] <Rhonda> sbeattie: Btw., this is totally strange. I have the patch file sitting properly in debian/patches, but dpkg-source -b doesn't like to pick it up. Do you know if there is some filename specific exclude or such anywhere?
[09:44] <tumbleweed> submittodebian will usertag the bug, to say that the bug came from an Ubuntu developer
[09:44] <tumbleweed> there's also a usertag for the kind of issue that you are fixing. Unfortunatly you can't easily set both while you are filing the bug
[09:44] <tumbleweed> s/easily/at all/
[09:45] <tumbleweed> c2tarun: so maybe ignore that bit for now :)
[09:49] <Rhonda> I don't buy that "at all" :)
[09:49] <tumbleweed> Rhonda: how do you set usertags for two different users during submission?
[09:50] <Rhonda> Ah, different users? That wasn't clear to me, why are different users used?
[09:50] <c2tarun> well what should I choose the severity?
[09:50] <Rhonda> Leave it as normal, it doesn't FTBFS in Debian (yet)
[09:50] <tumbleweed> Rhonda: submittodebian will usertag bugs to say they came from Ubuntu
[09:51] <Laney> I thought that change did happen in Debian already
[09:51] <tumbleweed> it's certainly been announced a couple of days ago
[09:51] <c2tarun> What should I write in report? I never wrote one.
[09:52] <tumbleweed> c2tarun: but yes, you shouldn't filea bug in debian saying a package FTBFSs, unless you've tried to build that package on Debian
[09:52] <Rhonda> gnangnanga. sbeattie, I know why dpkg-source didn't pick up the patch. You named it gitolite-<comittish>.patch, and my -i.git does exclude that (otherwise it would pull in the .git directory itself too, which obviously fails)
[09:53] <c2tarun> tumbleweed: then what should I write there "FTBFS in ubuntu or on natty machine"?
[09:53]  * c2tarun I cannot try on debian, I dont have debian chroot
[09:53] <tumbleweed> c2tarun: FTBFS with ld --no-copy-dt-needed-entries
[09:54] <tumbleweed> and yes, say on Ubuntu natty
[09:55] <c2tarun> tumbleweed: what should I write in report section and in the section that tell "In ubuntu, the attached patch was applied to achive the following:"
[10:00] <c2tarun> I get this error while submitting to debian :( http://paste.ubuntu.com/573861/
[10:01] <tumbleweed> c2tarun: I've checked. it does FTBFS in Debian, you can make the bug grave, if you want :) http://people.ubuntu.com/~stefanor/kbarcode_amd64_sid.log
[10:01] <tumbleweed> c2tarun: you have an unconfigured postfix on your system
[10:03] <c2tarun> tumbleweed: what do you mean by make the bug grave? :/
[10:03] <tumbleweed> http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#severities
[10:04] <c2tarun> tumbleweed: well I am getting only four here, I'll choose important than
[10:05] <tumbleweed> c2tarun: there should be a special category for FTBFS
[10:06] <tumbleweed> the reason you are only seeing 4 is that reportbug has multiple modes. It defaults to "novice"
[10:06] <c2tarun> tumbleweed: dont know :( I am getting only four and a message of saying something about novice mode
[10:06] <c2tarun> tumbleweed: yup exactly
[10:07] <tumbleweed> that protects you from doing things that would make people shout at you :)
[10:08] <c2tarun> tumbleweed: ok, I am getting this error on my system as well as on chroot, how to configure postfix?
[10:09] <tumbleweed> c2tarun: as to the sending issue, you could try putting "smtphost bugs-master.debian.org" in your .reportbug.conf, to totally bypass your local postfix
[10:09] <c2tarun> where is this file .reportbug.conf? in home folder?
[10:09] <tumbleweed> Rhonda: what do we normally recommend for people running into this?
[10:09] <kklimonda> morning
[10:10] <tumbleweed> c2tarun: yes
[10:11] <tumbleweed> the reportbug.conf manpage says "smtphost localhost" will use an internal MTA. That might be a good option
[10:11] <Rhonda> tumbleweed: Why to bypass the local postfix instead to configuring it?
[10:12] <c2tarun> tumbleweed: I am installing sendmail right now. should I add "smtphost bugs-master.debian.org" in my .repor* file?
[10:12] <Rhonda> please don't choose sendmail, for your own good!
[10:12] <c2tarun> Rhonda: then what?
[10:13] <Rhonda> What's wrong with your postfix?
[10:13] <Rhonda> ssmtp is also a quite cheap option.
[10:13] <Rhonda> ah, unconfigured.
[10:13] <c2tarun> Rhonda: actually I am not familiar with any of it :(
[10:13] <tumbleweed> Rhonda: the reason I didn't go into configuring it is that it may not be trivial
[10:14] <Rhonda> It's a *lot* easier and a *lot* less painful to configure your postfix instead of sendmail, trust me. :)
[10:14] <tumbleweed> many ISPs block outgoing SMTP, and many people block mail from DSL IP-ranges
[10:14] <Rhonda> Anyway, using smtphost in ~/.reportbugrc is a very good choice.
[10:15] <tumbleweed> c2tarun: if you know your ISPs SMTP relay, you should configure your postfix to mail out through that. You could also use gmail's SMTP service, etc.
[10:15] <Rhonda> Personally I have configured my local postfix to use a smarthost with smtp authentication.
[10:15] <Rhonda> That way it doesn't matter where I am, my mail always goes out properly. :)
[10:16] <c2tarun> what just happened :( http://paste.ubuntu.com/573865/ I thought to give sendmail a try. What is Tarun <tarun@localhost6.localdomain6>
[10:17] <tumbleweed> c2tarun: sendmail is horrible. Seriously, avoid it.
[10:17] <Rhonda> c2tarun: check /etc/mailname and output of "hostname -f"
[10:17] <tumbleweed> /usr/sbin/sendmail is not necessarily sendmail, though
[10:17] <geser> tumbleweed: pong
[10:18] <tumbleweed> geser: I followed your suggestions
[10:18] <Rhonda> tumbleweed: Ah, for that part, set DEBEMAIL environment variable. :)
[10:18] <c2tarun> Rhonda: output of hostname -f is tarun-kubuntu and there is no file with mailname in /etc
[10:21] <c2tarun> I have DEBEMAIL env variable set. :/
[10:21] <c2tarun> Rhonda: ^^
[10:23] <c2tarun> Guys my laptop is about to discharge :( I'll come back when electricity will come , Sorry
[10:33] <c2tarun> Rhonda: ping
[10:33] <bdrung> c2tarun: where do you live?
[10:34] <c2tarun> bdrung: India. Why?
[10:35] <c2tarun> Can anyone help me in configuring postfix?
[10:35] <bdrung> because i can imaging how it would be to have no stable electricity supply
[10:37] <coolbhavi> bdrung: I am also from India :)
[10:37] <c2tarun> bdrung: it feels awful :(
[10:38] <bdrung> and solar energy is too expensive, right?
[10:38] <c2tarun> need help with this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/573874/
[10:38] <c2tarun> bdrung: yup.
[10:39] <coolbhavi> bdrung: even battery backups come at quite a cost here
[10:40] <bdrung> do you have laptops for this reason or a desktop with battery backup?
[10:41] <coolbhavi> bdrung: I do have both but with only a 2 hr backup
[10:42] <c2tarun> bdrung: laptops are portable :) and for students they are best
[10:47] <acarpine> raof: I'm sorry...was sufficient look into the branch to see that nothing was committed
[10:47] <tumbleweed> bdrung: something I changed in u-d-t is breaking pylint on natty
[10:47] <acarpine> raof: Anyway the Julian's message says "This branch is abandoned. Debian does not have this package anymore, and I don't know what it's needed for in Ubuntu anymore."
[10:47] <bdrung> tumbleweed: do you refer to http://launchpadlibrarian.net/65093854/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-i386.ubuntu-dev-tools_0.118~daily%2Bbzr1031~natty1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz ?
[10:48] <tumbleweed> aah, I didn't see that
[10:48] <tumbleweed> I only saw it locally
[10:49] <tumbleweed> ok, good to know it wasn't a local change
[10:49] <tumbleweed> anyway, I've let pylint skip if it fails, in the launchpadlib-1.9 branch
[10:49] <c2tarun> tumbleweed: can you please help me in configuring postfix?
[10:49] <acarpine> raof: I imagine you are in vacation now :)
[10:49] <tumbleweed> I'm going to land the thing and upload if there are no nobjections. It's not tested as thoroughly as it could be, butit's better than the status quo
[10:50] <tumbleweed> c2tarun: dpkg-reconfigure postfix
[10:50] <bdrung> tumbleweed: let me have a look at it.
[10:50] <tumbleweed> bdrung: thanks
[10:51] <bdrung> tumbleweed: can you check if we need to bump the version of launchpadlib?
[10:51] <tumbleweed> bdrung: it still works on my wheezy box
[10:52] <tumbleweed> I've avoidid making changes that'll actually cause trouble with older launchpadlibs (such as passing the program's name to launchpadlib instead of "ubuntu-dev-tools" everywhere)
[10:53] <c2tarun> tumbleweed: how can i check whether it is configured and configured correctly?
[10:54] <tumbleweed> c2tarun: use the mail command to send yourself an e-mail
[10:54] <tumbleweed> see if you get it
[10:56] <acarpine> raof: Anyway I re-committed the changes and re-pushed the branch and now should be correct...
[10:56] <acarpine> I am curious how this report should be handle now. I hope to see you tomorrow (in your next 8 hours :) )
[10:56] <acarpine> tks for your help
[10:56] <bdrung> tumbleweed: maybe we should adjust the name later, e.g. "ubuntu-dev-tools <program name>"
[10:56] <tumbleweed> yeah, that's what I'm thinking
[11:05] <c2tarun> tumbleweed: what network block should I give while configuring postfix?
[11:06] <tumbleweed> c2tarun: you don't want other machines using your postfix, I suggest just 127.0.0.0/8
[11:07] <c2tarun> tumbleweed: this is the default text in there 127.0.0.0/8 192.168.0.0/24 [::1]/128 [fe80::%eth1]/64___, should I change it to what you said?
[11:07] <tumbleweed> leave it as is
[11:08] <tumbleweed> oh, maybe remove the last one
[11:08] <c2tarun> tumbleweed: by last one you mean from [::
[11:08] <tumbleweed> [fe80::%eth1]/64___
[11:09] <tumbleweed> oh, and 192.168.0.0/24
[11:09] <tumbleweed> you only want 127.0.0.0/8 and [::1]/128
[11:09] <tumbleweed> sorry, not paying enough attention :)
[11:09] <c2tarun> tumbleweed: np :)
[11:19] <wejaeger> Hey, anyone up for reviewing l2tp-ipsec-vpn? It's a little applet to configure and manage L2TP IPsec VPN connections. I've just uploaded a new candidate to fix all problems about which micahg and mok0 complained. http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/l2tp-ipsec-vpn
[11:26] <c2tarun> don't know how but my terminal is using nano by default as text editor while submittodebian. How can I change it to vi?
[11:28] <debfx> c2tarun: export EDITOR=vi
[11:34] <c2tarun> I was trying to submit a patch to debian, when I was doing it few hours back there was no FTBFS bug listed there but now I am able to see this bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=554936 its very old bug with FTBFS. What should I do now?
[11:35] <Rhonda> c2tarun: Is it related, the same cause?
[11:35] <c2tarun> Rhonda: don't think so, the error log is different than mine.
[11:36] <Rhonda> Then that's fine. If it's different issues, seperate bugreports are absolutely fine.
[11:44] <c2tarun> what is bin/dash?
[11:45] <tumbleweed> c2tarun: a shell
[11:47] <c2tarun> tumbleweed: I configured postfix properly and checked. still I am getting this at the end   "Tarun <tarun@localhost6.localdomain6>" why so?
[11:47] <tumbleweed> c2tarun: you exported DEBEMAIL?
[11:48] <tumbleweed> oh, postfix won't let you provide your own domain part, via /sbin/sendmail
[11:48] <tumbleweed> smtphost 127.0.0.1 should get around that
[11:48] <c2tarun> tumbleweed: shit, I exported that in chroot and I was on my system. :(
[11:50] <tumbleweed> c2tarun: I recomennd putting DEBEMAIL in yoru .bashrc
[11:53] <c2tarun> tumbleweed: done :) and submitted again,  waiting for email now.
[11:57] <bdrung> tumbleweed: I: ubuntu-dev-tools: debian-news-entry-uses-asterisk
[12:15] <bdrung> tumbleweed: bug 727127
[12:16] <bdrung> tumbleweed: would it be useful to split the pylint call into separate calls for each script?
[12:22] <tumbleweed> bdrung: aah, thanks
[12:27] <tumbleweed> bdrung: splitting it would probably be very expensive. It's already very slow. It still works on sid, so I'm happy for now
[12:27] <bdrung> k
[12:34] <Rhonda> hah, bdrung. do you feel attached to audacious?
[12:38] <bdrung> Rhonda: a little bit
[12:38] <bdrung> why?
[12:38] <Rhonda> If you join my session tonight you might pick up a todo list. ;)
[12:52] <bdrung> Rhonda: why?
[12:52] <bdrung> audacious is in sync with debian
[12:57] <Rhonda> Just wait, I don't want you to destroy my examples. :P
[13:01] <tumbleweed> bdrung: ok, I'll fix NEWS and upload
[13:02] <bdrung> yes
[13:10] <bdrung> tumbleweed: you forgot to tag the release
[13:10] <tumbleweed> bdrung: just hadn't got there yet :)
[15:02] <psusi> what is the difference between motu and "contributing developers"?
[15:02] <Laney> MOTU can upload, UCD can not
[15:02] <Rhonda> contributing developers need sponsors for uploads
[15:02] <Laney> (at least, not from their UCD status)
[15:02] <Rhonda> Laney: Are you around tonight? ;)
[15:03] <psusi> hrm... so what's the difference between ucd and my current status ( just bugcontrol )?
[15:03] <Laney> Rhonda: No sorry, I've got a meal for a friend's leaving
[15:03] <Laney> Rhonda: is it your session? :-)
[15:03] <Laney> psusi: UCD gives you Ubuntu membership
[15:03] <psusi> because I get sponsorship for plenty of fixes now ;)
[15:03] <psusi> ohh... so basically it means I get an @ubuntu.com email?
[15:04] <Rhonda> And voting right, yes.
[15:04] <Laney> !membership
[15:04] <Rhonda> And possibility to add your blog to planet ubuntu
[15:04] <Laney> that stuff
[15:05] <psusi> I've been reading it, which is why I was a bit confused on what ucd is... last time I read this I don't think that was there, just motu... think I finally need to become a motu so reviewing the process
[15:05] <maco> Laney: PPU get membership automatically, right?
[15:05] <Rhonda> Yep
[15:05] <Laney> PPUs get added to ubuntu-dev, which I think gives membership
[15:06] <maco> ok
[15:06] <psusi> PPU?  does that mean you can now get upload rights for a specific package in main without being a core developer?
[15:07] <Rhonda> I think UCD is meant as intermediate state to give contributors sooner membership option and through that motivae them to contribute more. Something like that. :)
[15:07] <Laney> It's about recognising that someone has made a “significant and sustained” contribution, and that their contributions are through development work.
[15:08] <soren> psusi: That's been that case since PPU's came into existence.
[15:08] <psusi> oh neat
[15:09] <psusi> when did that get added?
[15:09] <Rhonda> Actually I still need to apply for PPU for logcheck  %-)
[15:10]  * Rhonda . o O ( and irssi )
[15:22] <soren> psusi: As I said: That's been the case since PPU's were invented.
[15:36] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek day 2 starting in 25 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[15:37] <effie_jayx> tnanks dholbach
[15:37] <dholbach> :-D
[15:54] <psusi> ok, I think I did this right.. can I get a review? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhillipSusi/DeveloperApplication
[16:01] <ari-tczew> psusi: are you a Debian Developer?
[16:02] <sbeattie> Rhonda: doh, sorry about that.
[16:04] <psusi> ari-tczew: nope
[16:04] <ari-tczew> psusi: why are you going to join MOTU right now? what are your plans as MOTU?
[16:05] <psusi> ari-tczew: well, like I mentioned in the app, I'd like to get the defrag package back into the archive, and of course, continue fixing bugs in other areas I usually work on
[16:06] <ari-tczew> psusi: maybe PPU for particular packages is better way?
[16:06] <Rhonda> sbeattie: Not your fault, but it took me a lot of thoughts and time to figure it out  %-)
[16:06] <psusi> ari-tczew: well I was thinking of asking for a few PPUs on top of motu
[16:07] <psusi> but figured I'd start with motu and see where we go from there
[16:07] <ari-tczew> psusi: so please start work on MOTU stuff
[16:08] <ari-tczew> psusi: are you familiar with merging with Debian?
[16:08] <psusi> ari-tczew: I think so... these days it seems to be mostly down to a bzr merge from the debian branch right?
[16:09] <ari-tczew> psusi: merging with Debian is usually by debdiffs, check merge-o-matic
[16:09] <ari-tczew> !mom
[16:09] <Laney> you can merge using the UDD bzr branches as well
[16:09] <psusi> I thoguht that was the old way, and the new UDD way was with bzr merge?
[16:09] <ari-tczew> psusi: it can be
[16:09] <ari-tczew> as I wrote: usually
[16:10] <psusi> ok... I like the new ways better ;)
[16:10] <ari-tczew> psusi: don't you think that 8 uploads is too small to get full universe upload access?
[16:11] <psusi> I didn't... I mean, I've been working on things for years now and am starting to feel confidant that I've got it down now after a number of successful sponsored uploads, so... figured the next step was motu
[16:12] <chrisccoulson> well, it's not just about quantity. quality of work matters too, and you can't just assume quality if there is quantity
[16:12] <Rhonda> ari-tczew: Don't you think that's something for the membership board to judge?
[16:12] <ari-tczew> chrisccoulson: IMO quantity means the level of expierence.
[16:12] <chrisccoulson> ari-tczew, not really
[16:12] <Rhonda> Sheer quantity is a very back ruler
[16:13] <Rhonda> ari-tczew: IMO it doesn't.
[16:13] <ari-tczew> Rhonda: this is MOTU channel, psusi is asking here so I'm answering my opinion. can't I?
[16:13] <chrisccoulson> if somebody does 100 very simple trivial merges, it does't demonstrate much experience
[16:13] <cody-somerville> ari-tczew, They're just sharing their opinion too :)
[16:13] <Rhonda> ari-tczew: Sure you can, but like said, the amount of uploads is just a number and doesn't say much.
[16:13] <ari-tczew> ok last question.
[16:14] <ari-tczew> psusi: are you Canonical employee?
[16:14] <Rhonda> And if you like to book that rule of expressing opinions, so can others.
[16:14] <psusi> ari-tczew: nope
[16:14] <c2tarun> chrisccoulson: what kind of merges or fixes necessary for good experience?
[16:14] <ari-tczew> oh! I'm suprised
[16:14] <psusi> you are?
[16:14] <ari-tczew> yes
[16:14] <psusi> if I were, I'd be a core-devl wouldn't I? ;)
[16:14] <chrisccoulson> not necessarily, i'm not a core-dev ;)
[16:14] <psusi> though Keybuck did tell me I should apply once...
[16:14] <ari-tczew> psusi: yes, Canonical staff like to join directly core-dev
[16:15] <psusi> I'll get there eventually most likely
[16:15] <chrisccoulson> ari-tczew, that's just not true i'm afraid
[16:15] <ari-tczew> psusi: well, I've been disagreed here. Let's complete endorsements from your sponsors.
[16:16] <chrisccoulson> canonical employees go through the same process as everybody else
[16:16] <ari-tczew> (on wiki page)
[16:17] <Rhonda> Sure, but just because they go through the same process doesn't mean that they can't apply directly to core-dev :)
[16:17] <psusi> so the page is complete and correct so far?
[16:18] <chrisccoulson> indeed :) but the same also applies to people who aren't employed by canonical ;)
[16:18] <Rhonda> It's all a matter of the quality and visibility of the contributions, not the quantity.
[16:18] <ari-tczew> psusi: Things I could do better and Plans for the future are empty
[16:19] <Rhonda> I have no number at hands of how few sync requests I did send before I applied for MOTU, but I doubt that they were very many.
[16:19] <ari-tczew> psusi: and of course there is not any endorse, you have to ask your sponsors
[16:20] <psusi> right... that's next step
[16:21] <Laney> It's not surprising that people who work on main all day every day end up asking for upload rights to it...
[16:21] <ari-tczew> Rhonda, chrisccoulson: well, I mean that if someone works often on bugs, there is no point to give full upload access
[16:21] <ari-tczew> sorry, no often
[16:22] <ari-tczew> rarely, I mean
[16:22] <Rhonda> Actually, bugs have to get applied eventually. Having to look for sponsors all the time, when one fixes the bugs, can be quite tedious and depressing.#
[16:22] <Rhonda> of course, the bug *fixes* have to get applied, not the bugs. %-)
[16:23] <chrisccoulson> ari-tczew, i spend a lot of time on bugs, shouldn't i have upload access? :/
[16:23] <ari-tczew> chrisccoulson: typo, I mean rarely working bugs, no often
[16:23] <chrisccoulson> ah, ok. thanks for clarifying
[16:23] <ari-tczew> np
[16:24] <ari-tczew> Rhonda, chrisccoulson: don't you agree with my opinion?
[16:25] <c2tarun> What kind of bugs are good to work on for good experience?
[16:25] <psusi> I've been pretty happy lately with the new udd branch linking and merging, and patch pilot program... been getting sponsorship quickly and easily.
[16:26] <psusi> been such a smooth process I figure I must be doing it right ;)
[16:26] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: it's not straightforward to tell what you should do to get expierence. every person is another.
[16:26] <Rhonda> ari-tczew, usually not. Where did you pick up that "rarely" from?
[16:26] <psusi> used to be a pita though...
[16:27] <Rhonda> ari-tczew: And if your opinion is the one of quantity over quality, I couldn't disagree any stronger with.
[16:27] <ari-tczew> Rhonda: https://launchpad.net/~psusi/+uploaded-packages
[16:27] <ari-tczew> Rhonda: uploads twice a year
[16:28] <ari-tczew> does it need to get upload access?
[16:28] <Rhonda> Depends, and again (for the last time) not judgable only by that quantity marks.
[16:28] <Rhonda> Please try to be less demotivating.
[16:28] <psusi> hrm... I don't think that list is complete...
[16:29] <ari-tczew> Rhonda: I'm not going to demotivate.
[16:29] <ari-tczew> Rhonda: psusi asked for feedback, he got it.
[16:29] <Rhonda> That might very well be, but you come across like that.
[16:30] <cody-somerville> ari-tczew, add smiley faces to your messages. :)
[16:30] <MTecknology> Ampelbein: I'm trying ot have the packaging remove /etc/logrotate.d/nginx-{full,light,extras}. Things install fine; but the file doesn't go away. Packaging that I'm testing with.. http://tinyurl.com/ngx-pkg-testing
[16:30] <ari-tczew> Rhonda: sorry, I won't lie.
[16:30] <cody-somerville> ari-tczew, I don't think Rhonda was asking you to. :)
[16:30] <Rhonda> Noone ask that.
[16:31] <ari-tczew> Rhonda: go send message to community council that I say my opinion, because it's demotivating!
[16:31] <mr_pouit> sigh
[16:32] <ari-tczew> sorry, simple joke
[16:32] <cody-somerville> ari-tczew, Not funny.
[16:32] <cody-somerville> ari-tczew, :(
[16:32] <psusi> yea, there's definitely a few kernel patches missing from that list
[16:32] <Rhonda> I wonder how you come down that road, and if you like to wave that flag around all the time, it isn't helping you in any way.
[16:32] <ari-tczew> Rhonda: I don't care.
[16:33] <ari-tczew>  I won't lie to keep CoC.
[16:33] <c2tarun> can anyone please help me with this error. http://paste.ubuntu.com/574005/
[16:33] <Rhonda> Again, noone asks you to lie. All that is asked to be less demotivating and more encouraging to others.
[16:34] <ari-tczew> Rhonda: OK I'll do it just for YOU!
[16:34] <ari-tczew> psusi: It's very very great that you are involved with making Ubuntu better!
[16:34] <Ampelbein> MTecknology: I'll have a look now.
[16:34] <ari-tczew> psusi: However, I guess it's too early to get full upload access for universe.
[16:35] <ari-tczew> psusi: I encourage you to do something else for universe.
[16:35] <psusi> such as?
[16:35] <cody-somerville> ari-tczew, I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic but that approach is much better! +1 :)
[16:35] <Rhonda> ari-tczew: You shouldn't do it for me, you should do it for yourself and for the community.
[16:36] <debfx> c2tarun: the lib order is wrong, -latom4 and -lxatom4 have to be the first libraries
[16:36] <ari-tczew> psusi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU#MOTU%20Processes
[16:37] <debfx> c2tarun: like that: ... -L/usr/X11R6/lib -latom4 -lxatom4 -lt++ -lpanel -lncurses -lX11 -lXpm
[16:37] <MTecknology> Ampelbein: thanks; I'm really fumbling around
[16:38] <c2tarun> debfx: ok, it worked. Can you please help me in finding the file in which I should make change in order to fix this bug? I tried but failed, there are no Makefiles here
[16:39] <debfx> c2tarun: if you tell me which package it is :)
[16:39] <c2tarun> debfx: sure :) its atom4
[16:39] <psusi> I had done a merge of lvm2 but before it got reviewed and sponsored, someone else did the same... that was a hairy one...
[16:40] <ari-tczew> debfx: how do you check which library is missing if got error undefined reference?
[16:43] <debfx> ari-tczew: usually either ld tells you which library is missing or the order is wrong
[16:45] <c2tarun> debfx: in one package it told that to add /usr/lib/libkio.so.4 , it worked but on adding lkio also it worked? what's the diff
[16:46] <MTecknology> Ampelbein: to test.. I do this... debchroot sid sid; chroot sid; aptitude install nginx-full; echo "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/nginx/package-testing/ubuntu lucid main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update; aptitude full-upgrade    That file 'should' be gone.
[16:47] <debfx> c2tarun: in the file Construct you need to change this line: $LIBS     = "$PROGLIB $NCURSESLIB $X11LIB -latom4 -lxatom4";
[16:48] <c2tarun> debfx: two questions, one I asked few seconds ago and other is how  you find this Construct file?
[16:49] <debfx> c2tarun: you should use -lkio, it's more generic
[16:50] <debfx> c2tarun: I've just searched for "x11" in the package files
[16:50] <Ampelbein> MTecknology: yeah, I have a similar setup for testing.
[16:51] <MTecknology> Ampelbein: the 0.8.54-3 in the last version is what's in sid right now
[17:28] <MTecknology> Ampelbein: you see anything?
[17:28] <Ampelbein> MTecknology: ok.. I don't know why, but putting 0.8.54-4 as version argument to dpkg-maint-helper works
[17:28] <Ampelbein> MTecknology: but from the wording of the man page, it shouldn't
[17:28] <Ampelbein> MTecknology: because -3 was the last version to ship that configfile
[17:29] <Ampelbein> MTecknology: http://paste.ubuntu.com/574034/
[17:29] <MTecknology> Ampelbein: it's that simple?...
[17:30] <MTecknology> wow
[17:30] <Ampelbein> MTecknology: apparently yes.
[17:30] <MTecknology> I'll build and try it..
[18:03] <MTecknology> Ampelbein: hm... it still exists for me..
[18:04] <MTecknology> Ampelbein: http://dpaste.com/462477/
[18:05] <MTecknology> Line 51 is where it should be moved..
[18:09] <MTecknology> Ampelbein: what did you use as a base install?
[18:09] <MTecknology> sid, 11.04, ?
[18:14] <Ampelbein> MTecknology: I used a sid-pbuilder environment (pbuilder-dist sid login)
[18:16] <MTecknology> Ampelbein: did you first install nginx; then do the upgrade to my packaged version?
[18:31] <ari-tczew> Daviey: good point on kbarcode sponsorship
[18:34] <Daviey> ari-tczew, But it's exploded in my face... :)
[18:34] <MTecknology> Ampelbein: here's a pastebin of the whole process I took with the undesired result.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/574062/
[18:35] <Daviey> ari-tczew, Someone beat me to uploading it by 10 mins... after i successfully dput'd, i pushed to lp:ubuntu/kbarcode... :/
[18:35] <ari-tczew> Daviey: can't you just use dput?
[18:36] <ari-tczew> branch should be imported automatically
[18:36] <Daviey> ari-tczew, yes - but trying to maintain bzr history and get UDD ready :)
[18:37] <Daviey> <-- food
[18:39] <MTecknology> I wish I could just toss a simple 'rm /etc/logrotate.d/nginx-*' in nginx-common.postinst...
[18:39] <MTecknology> I'm  starting to get very tempted to do that
[18:42] <Ampelbein> MTecknology: I don't know why that worked for me and not for you. I'm out of ideas tbh
[18:42] <MTecknology> Ampelbein: could you try doing the exact same thing that I did?
[18:42] <Ampelbein> MTecknology: k
[18:43] <Ampelbein> MTecknology: you could post do ubuntu-motu mailing list and ask for help or debian developer, if that doesn't work
[18:44] <MTecknology> Ampelbein: I'll do that; my fiancee just got here so we're probably going to do some wedding stuff and then eat; I'll be back later
[18:45] <MTecknology> Ampelbein: If you figure it out; I'll kiss you (or something equivalent); otherwise that shoulds like a really good idea that I didn't think of. :)
[18:45] <MTecknology> the DD I've been talking to doesn't seem to know, but also doesn't seem to have the time to really look
[18:45] <MTecknology> Thanks for all the help you're giving me too. :)
[18:55] <ari-tczew> Daviey: heh, ogra was faster
[18:55] <ogra> yeah
[18:55] <ogra> we're just discussing the impact :)
[18:55] <Daviey> :S
[18:55] <ari-tczew> ogra: it's fantastic how Canonical staff fight for sponsorships!
[18:56] <ogra> haha
[18:56] <ogra> you didnt know we get a bonus of $1 for each upload ??
[18:56] <ogra> *g*
[18:56] <ari-tczew> ogra: I hear only about euro :D
[18:56] <ogra> heh
[19:02] <c2tarun> I am working on fixing ftbfs of a package, I need to make change in a file. but that package is not following any patching system. Can I just add 3.0 quilt or should I make change directly?
[19:02] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: directly
[19:31] <dajhorn> In an Ubuntu package, what is the right way for a script to test for a 32-bit environment at runtime?
[19:32] <ogra> ari-tczew, bug 725933 looks fine to me (you were waiting for more info on it it seems, does it look sufficientto you ?)
[19:33] <micahg> dajhorn: why are you doing that?
[19:34] <dajhorn> micahg:  I'm working on the zfs-dkms package.  I need to create a /etc/grub.d/ stub that sets a kernel parameter if the host is 32-bit.
[19:35] <dajhorn> micahg: I looked lsb_release and uname, but figured that there is an Ubuntu Way to check.
[19:36] <micahg> dajhorn: well, there's dpkg --print-architecture
[19:36] <dajhorn> micahg: Thanks.  That seems like a good way.
[19:40] <micahg> dajhorn: there's dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH_BITS, but I don't know how fragile it is
[19:42] <dajhorn> micahg: That's even better.  (The problem is that vmem= must be increased on a 32 machine, even on a non-i386 arch.)
[19:43] <ari-tczew> ogra: d/changelog has bug - should add LP: as well, and he didn't add DEP3 headers
[19:45] <ogra> +  * debian/patches/04_fix_ftbfs_binutils-gold.dpatch
[19:45] <ogra> +    - Fix FTBFS with binutils-gold. (Closes: #615989)
[19:45] <ogra> thats not enough for you ?
[19:45] <ogra> oh, heh
[19:45] <ogra> closes a different bug, fun
[19:47] <ari-tczew> ogra: bug is correct
[19:47] <ari-tczew> debian bug 615989
[20:25] <ari-tczew> ogra: online?
[20:25] <ogra> yes
[20:25] <ari-tczew> ogra: seems you have been disconnected.
[20:26] <ari-tczew> ogra: about iv-tv, if you want, you can complete his debdiff and upload
[20:26] <ari-tczew> ogra: just add (LP: #xxxx) as well and add Bug-Debian into patch
[20:27] <ogra> well, i see he added headers to the diff
[20:27] <ogra> is there a debian bug ? i dont see one linked
[20:27] <ari-tczew> Fix FTBFS with binutils-gold. (LP: #725933, Closes: #615989)
[20:27] <ari-tczew> use it
[20:27] <ogra> oh, thats the debian one
[20:27] <ogra> i was looking at the bug tasks
[20:27] <ogra> right
[20:28] <ari-tczew> yes he should add task on Debian as well
[20:28] <ari-tczew> you can do it if you have time
[20:32] <wejaeger> Hey, anyone up for reviewing l2tp-ipsec-vpn? It's a little applet to configure and manage L2TP IPsec VPN connections. I've just uploaded a new candidate to fix all problems about which micahg and mok0 complained. http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/l2tp-ipsec-vpn
[20:54] <MTecknology> Ampelbein: What happened?
[20:57] <Ampelbein> MTecknology: I can't reproduce my success on a totally clean environment
[21:02] <mok0_> wejaeger: I'll take another look tomorrow
[21:14] <wejaeger> mok0: great, thank you so much!
[22:01] <xelister> hello
[22:02] <xelister> is it easy to take say Ubuntu, and make a custom installation CD that executes as root some script at end of installation ?
[22:10] <micahg> !support | xelister
[22:10] <xelister> micahg: this is development, not using
[22:10] <xelister> is it not
[22:12] <ari-tczew> micahg: not this time ;)
[22:12] <micahg> ari-tczew: huh?  I stand by my comment
[22:12] <micahg> either that or #ubuntu-installer
[22:12] <xelister> hmm.. how to DEVELOP addition to the ubuntu installer, in a form of a script run at end
[22:13] <xelister> sorry to interrupt all conversations here with my development question ;) if it was ot on this channel
[22:16] <micahg> xelister: sorry, lots of things going on, #ubuntu-installer would probably be a better place to get an answer to your question, we mainly deal with universe packages here
[22:20] <em> Do any of you know why Ubuntu would put untrusted packages in the Repo?
[22:20] <ari-tczew> em: what do you mean by untrusted packages?
[22:20] <cody-somerville> em, What do you mean?
[22:20] <em> I just did: sudo aptitude install inkscape
[22:20] <em> and I got the following warning:
[22:21] <arand> em: Have you added a PPA?
[22:21] <em> WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed!
[22:21] <cody-somerville> em, Can you pastebin the output of apt-cache policy inkscape?
[22:21] <em> No I have not.
[22:21] <em> okay
[22:25] <em> cody-somerville: http://pastebin.com/FuQY2aZL
[22:26] <em> These are the warnings it gave - http://pastebin.com/743emHBG
[22:27] <cody-somerville> em, Can you pastebin the output of the following?: apt-cache policy python-renderpm
[22:30] <em> http://pastebin.com/ckKnbqSZ <-- cody-somerville
[22:31] <cody-somerville> em, Can you pastebin the output of sudo apt-key list?
[22:32] <em> is any of this sensitive info?
[22:34] <em> cody-somerville: ^
[22:34] <kklimonda> no
[22:34] <kklimonda> unless you have added some secret keys
[22:35] <em> http://pastebin.com/EUDxuTif
[22:35] <em> I have not
[22:36] <em> cody-somerville: the apt-key list ^
[22:37] <em> has anything been learned here?
[22:38] <cody-somerville> em, try running sudo apt-get update and then try installing inkscape again.
[22:38] <em> okay ive not installed it a first time because i chose "no"
[22:40] <em> well that time it did not throw the warning.
[22:42] <em> cody-somerville: what was the issue?
[22:45] <cody-somerville> em, Not sure. Maybe the last time you did 'apt-get update' your mirror was in the process of updating or something?
[22:53] <em> yeah im not sure
[23:08] <seidos> are only canonical employees allowed to add packages to the distro release?
[23:08] <maco> no
[23:09] <maco> the ubuntu desktop team, kubuntu team, edubuntu team, etc decide what each of them will ship as default, usually at an Ubuntu Developer Summit
[23:09] <maco> these occur May-ish and November-ish
[23:09] <maco> and include community members as well
[23:10] <lifeless> and many canonical staff that work on Ubuntu cannot add packages
[23:11] <lifeless> they have to go through the same process everyone else does to earn that ability
[23:20] <porthose> lifeless I beg to differ, not to pick on kate stewart, she is our new release manager, she is not a motu, she is not a core-dev but yet she is an archive admin or should I say thats what her launchpad page states https://launchpad.net/~kate.stewart.
[23:20] <maco> archive admins don't change seeds though, do they?
[23:20] <maco> just click the green button after a motu or core-dev uploads a new package
[23:21] <lifeless> right
[23:21] <lifeless> she can't sign an upload
[23:31] <udienz> micahg, about gkamus, rpath has been fixed and re-uploaded again in revu
[23:38] <micahg> udienz: I won't be able to look at it for a few days
[23:38] <udienz> micahg, oh okay