[00:00] <safiyyah> 96 or 173?
[00:00] <HazRPG> I'd recommend the 173 over the 96, but that's me
[00:00] <hamitron> I think it also depends what card you got
[00:00] <hamitron> all mine are old ;)
[00:00] <safiyyah> is have geforce 8400
[00:00] <safiyyah> i * have
[00:00] <HazRPG> hamitron: yeah its because she's on a 8400
[00:00] <HazRPG> yeah :)
[00:01] <ali1234> if you get a black screen, try ctrl-alt-f7 instead of livecd
[00:01] <safiyyah> ok
[00:01] <safiyyah> thank you
[00:01] <hamitron> better to move back 1 at a time I'd guess
[00:01] <safiyyah> i am very grateful really really truely
[00:02] <HazRPG> hamitron: if I recall the 8400 worked best on the 173
[00:02] <HazRPG> not sure what it would be like under 96
[00:02] <safiyyah> wait
[00:02] <safiyyah> put the brakes on!
[00:02] <HazRPG> ?
[00:02] <safiyyah> the recommended one is still installed and is currently active
[00:02] <ali1234> yeah
[00:03] <ali1234> that's a lie
[00:03] <ali1234> you deleted xorg.conf
[00:03] <HazRPG> safiyyah: yeah, but xorg isn't configured to use it :)
[00:03] <ali1234> installer is just confused
[00:03] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Matthew Garrett] Further adventures in mobile Linux - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/134457.html
[00:03] <HazRPG> what he said :P
[00:03] <safiyyah> okay okay.... full speed ahead again
[00:04] <HazRPG> ali1234: hmm, should safiyyah remove the current one first and then activate 173?
[00:04] <ali1234> i dunno
[00:05] <ali1234> it used to remove the old ones automatically
[00:05] <safiyyah> am installing the new one
[00:05] <safiyyah> 173
[00:05] <safiyyah> the new old one rather
[00:06] <safiyyah> okay brb restarting
[00:06] <HazRPG> make sure you have the remove xorg written down
[00:08] <HazRPG> any joy?
[00:08] <safiyyah> yes
[00:08] <safiyyah> am back
[00:08] <safiyyah> right now i take it it's time to use popey's disk because the resolution is off by a million
[00:08] <safiyyah> popey's xorg.conf i mean
[00:08] <ali1234> probably
[00:08] <safiyyah> okay
[00:09] <ali1234> is it actually using the nvidia driver?
[00:09] <safiyyah> yep
[00:09] <ali1234> check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[00:09] <safiyyah> okay
[00:10]  * HazRPG apologies to safiyyah
[00:10] <ali1234> seems like you solved the problem to me
[00:10] <safiyyah> [    10.939] (II) Loading extension DRI2
[00:10] <safiyyah> [    10.939] (II) LoadModule: "nvidia"
[00:10] <safiyyah> [    10.939] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/extra-modules/nvidia_drv.so
[00:10] <safiyyah> [    10.985] (II) Module nvidia: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation"
[00:10] <safiyyah> [    10.985] 	compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0
[00:10] <safiyyah> [    10.985] 	Module class: X.Org Video Driver
[00:10] <safiyyah> [    10.990] (II) NVIDIA dlloader X Driver  173.14.28  Wed Sep 29 09:55:18 PDT 2010
[00:10] <safiyyah> [    11.001] (II) NVIDIA Unified Driver for all Supported NVIDIA GPUs
[00:10] <safiyyah> [    11.001] (++) using VT number 7
[00:10] <ali1234> great
[00:10] <safiyyah> [    11.004] (II) Loading sub module "fb"
[00:10] <safiyyah> [    11.004] (II) LoadModule: "fb"
[00:10] <ali1234> also,
[00:10] <safiyyah> oh damn
[00:10] <safiyyah> sorry i meant to paste bin
[00:11] <ali1234> so yeah, popey's xorg.conf now
[00:11] <ali1234> and it should be all good
[00:11] <safiyyah> okay just gonna do that now
[00:12] <HazRPG> ali1234: hmm, yeah I guess
[00:12] <safiyyah> okay rebooting
[00:13] <tta> hi
[00:13] <HazRPG> ali1234: but could have saved her the hassle if I'd asked which card she was using from the get-go
[00:13] <hamitron> is there going to be a Gbuntu when unity is default?
[00:13] <tta> during the installation of ubuntu 10.10 on my laptop when i choosed the language and clicked on "install" the screen displayed a message contening "Ubi-language failed with exit code 2. further information maybe found in/var/log/syslog. please what does that means and what do i have to do?
[00:14] <ali1234> what language did you choose?
[00:14]  * hamitron doesn't know if he dare say "try English"
[00:14] <HazRPG> safiyyah: \o
[00:14] <HazRPG> guessing everything is working good?
[00:15] <safiyyah> yes it did!!!!!!!!!!!
[00:15] <safiyyah> thank you all soooooo much
[00:15] <safiyyah> so in future stick to version 173
[00:15] <safiyyah> and that is what was different this time
[00:16] <HazRPG> safiyyah: yeah, sticking with 173 will probably be your best bet
[00:16] <safiyyah> okay am writing some notes for myself
[00:16] <safiyyah> there is something i didnt get
[00:16] <hamitron> how organised ;)
[00:17] <HazRPG> hamitron: I do the same ;)
[00:17] <hamitron> :|
[00:17] <safiyyah> i have to write it because, next time i face this will be in my next upgrade
[00:17] <HazRPG> hamitron: helps with understanding new stuff
[00:17] <safiyyah> and i wont remember most of what happened today
[00:17] <safiyyah> notes help
[00:17] <tta> french
[00:17] <safiyyah> thats why i was able to relay a lot of what happened before when popey helped me
[00:17] <ali1234> tta: have you tried asking on #ubuntu-fr?
[00:18] <ali1234> tta: also have you verfied the install CD has no errors?
[00:18] <tta> no errors
[00:18] <safiyyah> sorry you said geforcee 8400 had driver issues right?
[00:18] <ali1234> could be language specific, i have never seen anything like this, but then i have never picked french...
[00:19] <ali1234> safiyyah: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=158418
[00:19] <ali1234> (nobody answered that post)
[00:20] <ali1234> bug 660596
[00:20] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 660596 in nvidia-graphics-drivers (Ubuntu) "Black screen after installing Nvidia drivers on 10.10" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/660596
[00:20] <HazRPG> safiyyah: Yeah, the 8400 series has been known to have issues.
[00:22] <HazRPG> its mainly nvidia adding support for new cards in the driver pack, but not checking properly for support issues with older cards
[00:23] <hamitron> shame it isn't still one driver for all :/
[00:23] <HazRPG> hamitron: it is, that's the main reason
[00:23] <safiyyah> okay i have one other question
[00:24] <HazRPG> I think the current windows version is a 200MB download >_<
[00:24]  * hamitron point HazRPG to his Geforce 1+2 and TNT cards
[00:24] <hamitron> :(
[00:24] <safiyyah> i dont get why when working off the live disk we use ~/target
[00:24] <HazRPG> I wish they'd just make drivers on a per-series-basis
[00:24] <safiyyah> i know we made the target directory first
[00:24] <ali1234> TNT is like 15 years old
[00:25] <hamitron> and still works fine ;/
[00:25] <ali1234> !mount
[00:25] <lubotu3`> mount is used to attach devices to directories. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount
[00:25] <ali1234> tl;dr you need to make a directory where to mount a disk
[00:25] <hamitron> my 1980s motorbike still works, why shouldn't my graphics card that is newer? ;)
[00:26] <popey> ali1234: done
[00:26] <ali1234> your 1980s graphics card still work perfectly fine with 1980s software
[00:26] <HazRPG> safiyyah: ali1234 can probably explain this better, but when your on the LiveCD you need to mount the partition you want to work with so that you can gain access to it, essentially you can name the directory anything you like (not necessarily target)
[00:26] <safiyyah> so the directory is like a nickname?
[00:26] <HazRPG> safiyyah: I guess you could say that
[00:27] <ali1234> technical name is "mount point"
[00:27] <HazRPG> safiyyah: your use to windows right?
[00:27] <ali1234> same thing
[00:27] <HazRPG> safiyyah: think of the "target" as basically making a "C:\" or "D:\" drive
[00:27] <hamitron> ali1234: depends on your view of "current" software I suppose, but it is this moving target that puts some devs off targeting linux :/
[00:27] <safiyyah> ali1234,  can you retype the command you gave me to delete xorg.conf ... sorry i was on live CD so it isnt in my xchat history
[00:27] <safiyyah> HazRPG,  I have been purely ubuntu for 4 years
[00:27] <safiyyah> am just not as technical as u guys
[00:28] <safiyyah> i just want to use it and set it up
[00:28] <safiyyah> end of
[00:28] <HazRPG> I understand that :)
[00:28] <HazRPG> I was just trying to explain it in something you might be familiar with though
[00:28] <ali1234> safiyyah: rm?
[00:29] <safiyyah> yes but the whole directory
[00:29] <safiyyah> rm ~target what was it
[00:29] <ali1234> well you know how it normally goes in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:29] <ali1234> when / is mounted on ~/target
[00:30] <ali1234> it becomes ~/target/etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:30] <ali1234> everything normally in / would be in ~/target
[00:30] <hamitron> brb, chip butty and coffee time
[00:30] <HazRPG> guessing my explanation was bad then :(
[00:32] <safiyyah> okay
[00:33] <safiyyah> why did we do sudo apt-get install at the beginning?
[00:33] <safiyyah> am so sorry if am annoying
[00:33] <ali1234> dunno, i wasn't there
[00:33] <ali1234> what did you install?
[00:33] <ali1234> pastebinit?
[00:33] <safiyyah> lol check in the room popey opened
[00:33] <ali1234> i closed it
[00:33] <safiyyah> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/FixingBorkedXFromLiveCD
[00:33] <safiyyah> thats like step 2
[00:34] <ali1234> pastebinit is a command line tool to copy text files onto pastebin.com
[00:34] <ali1234> !pastebinit
[00:34] <lubotu3`> pastebinit is the command-line equivalent of !pastebin - Command output, or other text can be redirected to pastebinit, which then reports an URL containing the output - To use pastebinit, install the « pastebinit » package from a package manager - Simple usage: command | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com
[00:36] <HazRPG> safiyyah: from what I can see from your paste, you were meant to put pastebinit
[00:36] <HazRPG> but you were pasting stuff into paste.ubuntu.com manually :P
[00:37] <tta> during the installation of ubuntu 10.10 on my laptop when i choosed the language and clicked on "install" the screen displayed a message contening "Ubi-language failed with exit code 2. further information maybe found in/var/log/syslog. please what does that means and what do i have to do?
[00:38] <safiyyah> lol
[00:39] <safiyyah> it rejected me so i manually paste binned
[00:39] <HazRPG> ah
[00:39] <hamitron> tta: have you tried using English?
[00:40] <HazRPG> tta: I recall ali1234 asking if you checked the CD for errors, you said you there was no errors. Did you use the CD's in-built checker to get that result? Or how did you check it?
[00:41] <tta> i tryed english and i burned the cd at the speed of 4x
[00:41] <hamitron> I'd do as haz/ali said then
[00:42] <HazRPG> tta: When you load the CD there are several options, one of them is to check that the CD was burnt properly - sometimes even if the software you used to burn it says it was successful, doesn't mean that it actually was.
[00:44] <safiyyah> okay
[00:44] <HazRPG> tta: the option says "Check disc for defects"
[00:44] <kewxedge_> Guys - bit of a longshot question... any of you guys sync ur iPods using anything other than WINE+iTunes ?
[00:44] <tta> you can be sure that the sofware was good; my problem is to know how i can do to resolve that problem
[00:44] <safiyyah> ali1234, ctrl-alt-f7 would have returned me back to this screen
[00:45] <safiyyah> actually nevermind
[00:45] <safiyyah> i will just note ctrl-alt-f1
[00:45] <HazRPG> kewxedge_: I don't personally own an iPod, but I know someone who uses Rhythmbox to sync their iPods
[00:45] <kewxedge_> and/or succesfully got Airport Express working? :)
[00:45] <safiyyah> as that was supposed to be an alternative to live disk
[00:45] <ali1234> ctrl-alt-f1 switches to a terminal ctrl alt-f7 switches back to graphics mode
[00:45] <kewxedge_> thanks HazRPG thats what Ive just been setting up :) It looks alright actually - quite iTunes like as well
[00:46] <safiyyah> so no1 knows why i was supposed to do sudo apt-get install pastebin
[00:46] <safiyyah> ?
[00:47] <HazRPG> kewxedge_: I really like Rythmbox, another one you can try if you want is "Amarok"
[00:47] <kewxedge_> Amarok, noted *adds to download queue*
[00:47] <HazRPG> kewxedge_: which has a lot more features
[00:47] <hamitron> is there one that is good for a large collection?
[00:48] <hamitron> over a network
[00:48] <hamitron> ;)
[00:48] <HazRPG> kewxedge_: if you check the ubuntu software centre, there's a screenshot available for Amarok
[00:48] <ali1234> safiyyah: it installs pastebinit
[00:48] <hamitron> say 70,000 songs
[00:48] <HazRPG> kewxedge_: not sure about Airport Express
[00:48] <kewxedge_> yeh just looked it up, HazRPG
[00:49] <HazRPG> kewxedge_: That's the wireless card iirc right?
[00:49] <kewxedge_> airport express is an annoying one - google and ubuntuforums tell me that pulse should work fine - but it was a bit dodgy for me and crashed the AE :/ lol
[00:49] <popey> 00:44:42 < kewxedge_> Guys - bit of a longshot question... any of you guys sync ur iPods using anything other than WINE+iTunes ?
[00:49] <popey> Yes!
[00:49] <popey> I use a Mac, OSX and iTunes :D
[00:49] <HazRPG> tta: I'm having a look into your problem
[00:50]  * hamitron spanks popey teh traitor
[00:50] <Seeker`> I use windows and iTunes
[00:50] <tta> yes poppey
[00:50] <kewxedge_> Seeker`, so did I until this weekend lol p;)
[00:50] <Azelphur> I use non traitor OS with non traitor hardware
[00:50] <Azelphur> did you hear rockbox is making it's way to android? :D
[00:50] <safiyyah> ali1234, thanx
[00:51] <popey> Azelphur: hows that binary nvidia driver you're using there.. traitor :p
[00:51] <hamitron> nothing wrong with nvidia ;/
[00:51] <hamitron> not much right either, but nvm
[00:51] <popey> :)
[00:51] <Azelphur> great, it's not that much of a traitor when there's no viable alternative :D
[00:51] <hamitron> exactly Azelphur
[00:51] <hamitron> :D
[00:51] <popey> There is no viable alternative to iPad IMNSHO
[00:51] <Azelphur> except over nine thousand android tablets
[00:52] <popey> which _all_ suck
[00:52] <popey> _all_
[00:52] <popey> without exception
[00:52] <Azelphur> lies
[00:52] <hamitron> not all
[00:52] <popey> they are either
[00:52] <popey> a) too small
[00:52] <popey> b) too short battery life
[00:52] <safiyyah> ali1234,  ctr-alt-F1 then I would have had to key in start x or xinit?
[00:52] <popey> c) old version of android
[00:52] <popey> d) have no google marketplace
[00:52] <popey> and so on
[00:52] <ali1234> safiyyah: there are many ways to run X
[00:52] <ali1234> just "X" will do it if you are root
[00:52] <hamitron> c and d can normally be undone
[00:53] <popey> hamitron: shouldn't have to
[00:53] <hamitron> very true
[00:53] <hamitron> :)
[00:53] <ali1234> you won't see any programs, just a grey background and a small X in the middle
[00:53] <popey> but I agree
[00:53] <popey> anyway, bed :)
[00:53] <Azelphur> popey: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/10-2-3G-ePad-Android-2-1-1080p-WiFi-GPS-MID-Tablet-PC-/290537605420?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item43a564092c#ht_5804wt_1020 :D
[00:53] <popey> nn
[00:53] <Azelphur> do I win?
[00:53] <hamitron> nn popey
[00:53] <popey> "win"
[00:53] <popey> broken link for me :)
[00:53] <Azelphur> 3.2k mAh battery, android 2.1 and seems like a decent size
[00:53] <Azelphur> took me all of 20 seconds to find :P
[00:54] <popey> that is hideous
[00:54] <Azelphur> 1024x600 resolution on the screen too
[00:54] <ali1234> but isn;t the ePAD rubbish?
[00:54] <popey> seriously, its awful
[00:54] <hamitron> my cars fuel tank is twice the size (but I only get 2mpg)
[00:54] <Azelphur> I thought it looks quite nice, what's wrong with it? o.O
[00:54] <popey> ethernet port, on a tablet, _really_?
[00:54]  * hamitron wants ethernet more than wifi
[00:54] <safiyyah> ali1234,  if you are root how do you go back to being a user at the terminal?
[00:55] <popey> no 3g
[00:55] <ali1234> safiyyah: "exit"
[00:55] <popey> 4 hours battery
[00:55] <Azelphur> popey: yes 3g? o.O
[00:55] <popey> so fails at b)
[00:55] <popey> no
[00:55] <HazRPG> tta: Might be worth asking in #ubuntu-fr like ali1234 said, since I can't find that problem
[00:55] <popey> 3g is a usb dongle
[00:55] <Azelphur> oh fail :(
[00:55] <ali1234> half the ebay description is probably lies anyawy
[00:55] <hamitron> CTRL+d
[00:55] <popey> no, you do not win
[00:55] <tta> stereocaulon:i pasted it in #ubuntu-fr
[00:55] <ali1234> it's probably even worse than that
[00:55] <safiyyah> ali1234,  that didnt work
[00:55] <safiyyah> am still root
[00:55] <ali1234> sure it did
[00:55] <safiyyah> i did su root
[00:55] <popey> anyway, we'll do this again some time
[00:56] <popey> :)
[00:56] <popey> nn
[00:56]  * Azelphur cries
[00:56] <Azelphur> lol
[00:56] <safiyyah> popey are u saving the doc ?
[00:56] <hamitron> he will be researching this all night now Azelphur ;)
[00:56] <hamitron> so he can beat you
[00:56] <HazRPG> tta: There shouldn't be any problems if the disc is fine though.
[00:57] <tta> the disc is fine
[00:57] <hamitron> wtf is a TF card?
[00:57] <ali1234> transflash
[00:57] <safiyyah> ali1234,  definitely am still root
[00:57] <safiyyah> lol
[00:57] <ali1234> probably
[00:57] <ali1234> safiyyah: type it again then
[00:57] <HazRPG> tta: Can you work me through the process before that problem happens please :).
[00:57] <HazRPG> tta: step by step, what happens
[00:58] <HazRPG> going to try the same thing on my spare machine
[00:59] <safiyyah> ali1234, thank you!
[00:59] <safiyyah> sorry i have eaten 3 apples and half a melon
[00:59] <safiyyah> and several pieces of spinach flan
[00:59] <safiyyah> since this mvidia drama
[00:59] <hamitron> and now you need to relieve yourself? ;/
[00:59] <safiyyah> i dont want another episode so.... i am making notes to avoid the headache... or help me understand the headache next time
[01:00] <safiyyah> no now am thinking..... my terminal say safiyyah@Pink-Geranium:$
[01:00] <safiyyah> why did i name it pink-geranium
[01:00] <safiyyah> and i tried changing hostname and got nothing
[01:00] <safiyyah> lol
[01:01] <tta>  i downloaded the software on http://ubuntu.com/netbook/get ubuntu/download, i burned it with "nero" at 4x for the speed and i tried to install it and the problem occurs
[01:01] <ali1234> hostname doesn't permanently change it
[01:01] <safiyyah> hamitron, i ate so now am wide awake lol
[01:01] <hamitron> :D
[01:01] <safiyyah> ali1234,  so what does one do?
[01:01] <HazRPG> safiyyah: that's easy to change
[01:01] <ali1234> gksudo gedit /etc/hostname
[01:01] <HazRPG> ...
[01:01] <HazRPG> was just about to say that
[01:01] <HazRPG> :P
[01:01] <ali1234> then reboot
[01:02] <ali1234> (you can restart some service but i can't remember which one)
[01:02] <HazRPG> would be not have to change /etc/hosts ?
[01:02] <ali1234> maybe
[01:04] <hamitron> mine only have localhost in
[01:04] <hamitron> has*
[01:05] <hamitron> so I'd say just /etc/hostname
[01:05] <safiyyah> so is there a website with commandline arguements for ubuntu?
[01:06] <hamitron> google?
[01:06] <hamitron> ;)
[01:06] <HazRPG> hamitron: I had to change both /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts on my sister's machine the other day
[01:07] <HazRPG> safiyyah: just general command line tools?
[01:07] <ali1234> http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/browse
[01:07] <hamitron> I like the book Linux In A Nutshell
[01:08] <hamitron> you can bet you can't always get online when you need the commandline ;)
[01:08] <safiyyah> hamitron,  that is like super true
[01:08] <hamitron> but tbh, these days you often don't need the commandline
[01:09] <ali1234> "how to get online when computer is broke" is the most useful skill you can learn
[01:09] <hamitron> yeh :)
[01:09] <HazRPG> I like the O'Reilly Pocket Reference books
[01:10] <ali1234> on ubuntu "sudo dhclient" is usually enough
[01:10] <ali1234> unless you use wireless, then it's time to go find a network cable
[01:10] <safiyyah> lol ali1234
[01:11] <safiyyah> lol
[01:11] <hamitron> and an ethernet port (note this down Azelphur)
[01:11] <Azelphur> o.O
[01:11] <hamitron> useful arguement against the iPad ;)
[01:11] <hamitron> you need an ethernet port sometimes
[01:11] <HazRPG> safiyyah: I'd recommend this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Linux-Pocket-Guide-Essential-Commands/dp/0596006284/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1298941732&sr=8-1
[01:12] <ali1234> if you're trying to hack some tablet device you need serial
[01:12] <safiyyah> hamitron,  u had to pick an expensive book
[01:12] <safiyyah> lol
[01:12] <ali1234> not ethernet, not usb... rs232 serial
[01:12] <hamitron> 20 quid?
[01:13] <ali1234> the reason for this is you can easily write to serial port with only machine code
[01:13] <hamitron> but ethernet normally works ;)
[01:13] <ali1234> not if you are porting linux
[01:14] <hamitron> what has that got to do with it? ;)
[01:14] <ali1234> well ipad doesn't run linux
[01:14] <hamitron> oh
[01:14] <hamitron> :)
[01:14] <hamitron> so true
[01:14] <ali1234> why buy one unless you intend to port it?
[01:14] <HazRPG> safiyyah: its basically a small reference book with all (if not most) linux commands
[01:14] <hamitron> it is a tough choice
[01:15] <hamitron> iPad is very expensive to brick :/
[01:15] <ali1234> brick is not problem
[01:15] <ali1234> after you discover serial, next look for jtag
[01:15] <hamitron> fry ;/
[01:15] <safiyyah> thank you
[01:16] <safiyyah> so to ask... do each of you guys own linux books?
[01:16] <ali1234> i don't own any linux books
[01:16] <safiyyah> rofl
[01:16] <safiyyah> what just google?
[01:16] <hamitron> I have 8
[01:16] <ali1234> i just read the manual pages
[01:16] <safiyyah> hamitron, how old are you?
[01:16] <hamitron> 28
[01:17] <safiyyah> god we are old
[01:17] <safiyyah> we like books
[01:17] <safiyyah> ur my age mate btw
[01:17] <hamitron> haha
[01:17] <safiyyah> that makes me feel better because i prefer a book
[01:17] <HazRPG> safiyyah: I've got 3
[01:17] <safiyyah> to manual pages for the most part
[01:17] <safiyyah> lol
[01:17] <hamitron> tbh, manual pages are better
[01:17] <ali1234> or --help
[01:17] <safiyyah> i'll borrow it from the library first
[01:17] <ali1234> if that doesn't work i get the source and read that
[01:17] <safiyyah> sometimes --help serves to confuse me further
[01:18] <safiyyah> the source?
[01:18] <hamitron> to me, it is nicer to read a book on a train, than a man page
[01:18] <hamitron> or on the toilet
[01:18] <hamitron> ;)
[01:18] <HazRPG> safiyyah: ali can code, so he can read the source code that made the command
[01:19] <HazRPG> safiyyah: and you can see, line by line, what its doing
[01:19] <hamitron> and reading a book is sort of more human like, not just a reference
[01:19] <ali1234> if there's no code, there's always objdump -d
[01:19] <safiyyah> hamitron i think we r more alike on that
[01:20] <safiyyah> ali what do you do for a living?
[01:20] <safiyyah> oh hamitron.... we r alike but i dont read anything in the loo
[01:20] <safiyyah> lol
[01:20] <safiyyah> i get in and get out
[01:20] <ali1234> anything involving computers
[01:20] <safiyyah> no hanging about there
[01:20] <hamitron> I didn't dare ask... ;)
[01:20] <safiyyah> lol
[01:20] <safiyyah> i noticed the loo comment afterwards lol
[01:21] <safiyyah> and i thought "hell no.... not me"
[01:21] <safiyyah> did u go to uni doing computers?
[01:21] <ali1234> yes
[01:21] <hamitron> geek!
[01:21] <hamitron> ;)
[01:21] <safiyyah> software engineering?
[01:21] <ali1234> computer science. got a 3rd
[01:22] <ali1234> rest of year went to work at transmeta making http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosetta_%28software%29
[01:22] <hamitron> it is nice to see a computer scientist who is a proper programmer tbh
[01:22] <HazRPG> ali1234: I wish I did computer science... "computing" it turns out, isn't the same thing - they failed to mention that to me when I did it :/
[01:22] <ali1234> sorry, transitive, not transmeta
[01:23] <ali1234> most of computer science is kind of boring
[01:24] <hamitron> I did it at A level, that was enough for me
[01:24] <hamitron> ;)
[01:24] <ali1234> at A level it's totally different
[01:24] <hamitron> I was all computers, until I did that
[01:24] <HazRPG> I never had the choice, most of my computing knowledge I had to learn myself
[01:24] <HazRPG> when I lived in saudi
[01:24] <safiyyah> you got a 3rd and you are a genius at this?
[01:24] <safiyyah> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ubuntu-Linux-Toolbox-Commands-Debian/dp/0470082933/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_b what about this book?
[01:24] <ali1234> if you think i am a genius you should meet the people who got 1sts
[01:25] <HazRPG> computing class consisted of everyone sat around various computers playing either "prince.exe" or "quake.exe"
[01:25] <ali1234> prince of persia lol
[01:25] <hamitron> most people who get better than me on my degree just cheated ;/
[01:25] <HazRPG> ali1234: haha yeah
[01:26] <hamitron> thinking about it, most cheated :/
[01:26] <ali1234> someone from my year won the obfuscated C contest one year
[01:26] <ali1234> actually i think he won it twice
[01:26] <safiyyah> which uni?
[01:26] <HazRPG> safiyyah: thing about degrees, you need to be good at writing stuff - and memorising key words - if you can do that, you can pass... my step-dad has 7 degrees in completely not related stuff
[01:26] <ali1234> manchester
[01:26] <safiyyah> gosh
[01:26] <safiyyah> it makes me feel dumb just hearing about the people who got firsts
[01:27] <hamitron> what is the point of making code hard to read btw? ;/
[01:27] <safiyyah> HazRPG,  if you lived in Saudi that would be why they were playing
[01:27] <hamitron> I know it is clever
[01:27] <hamitron> but bit pointless?
[01:27] <safiyyah> typically arabs dont want to actually learn, they cram... pass the exam and go back to life
[01:27] <ali1234> hamitron: of course it is pointless
[01:28] <safiyyah> or shall i say go back to playing
[01:28] <hamitron> selling dodgy gear? ;)
[01:28] <HazRPG> safiyyah: sadly yes, but considering I was at a british school... you'd think more wouldn't you
[01:28] <safiyyah> doesnt matter british school
[01:28] <safiyyah> culture is like that
[01:28] <safiyyah> their parents are Arabs
[01:28] <HazRPG> safiyyah: also, tread lightly - my mothers an arab :P
[01:28] <safiyyah> there ends the case
[01:28] <safiyyah> am sure she is
[01:29] <ali1234> i used to have a job in a building 100 yards from this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Alan_Turing_Memorial_Closer.jpg
[01:29] <safiyyah> its a culture within Arabs
[01:29] <safiyyah> am not insulting anyone
[01:29] <HazRPG> safiyyah: fantastic midwife, and an even better doctor - she's good with law too
[01:29] <safiyyah> i didnt say it fits everyone
[01:29] <safiyyah> some of the best doctors i know are iraqi... but hang on arent they persian?
[01:29] <HazRPG> safiyyah: guessing you've hung around them though :P
[01:30] <safiyyah> lol
[01:30] <ali1234> persia = iran isn't it?
[01:30] <safiyyah> i am a convert into islam
[01:30] <ali1234> that's what an iranian guy told me
[01:30] <safiyyah> oh yes, thank you Ali
[01:30] <HazRPG> safiyyah: typically arabs, as you said, cram/memorise just to pass their exams
[01:30] <safiyyah> being a muslim slung me full force into a range of cultures
[01:30] <hamitron> safiyyah: you mean "alah" ;)
[01:30] <safiyyah> and then being black.... you experience their ugly side alot
[01:31] <hamitron> or however it is spelt
[01:31] <hamitron> :s
[01:31] <HazRPG> safiyyah: I hate the term convert - technically according to the religion, you're a revert
[01:31] <safiyyah> am a convert .... we wont word play this
[01:31] <safiyyah> cos i will argue
[01:31] <safiyyah> lol
[01:32] <safiyyah> i consciously made a choice to change what i knew
[01:32] <safiyyah> what i knew before that was church and christianity
[01:32] <safiyyah> it was definitely a conversion
[01:32] <safiyyah> one which uprooted all things familiar in my life
[01:32] <safiyyah> family etc
[01:33] <safiyyah> u going back to something implies familiarity
[01:33] <safiyyah> although i know the whole arguement about the fitrah etc
[01:33] <safiyyah> this is my position
[01:33] <hamitron> all this talk of going back...
[01:33] <hamitron> talking me out of using ubuntu :/
[01:34] <HazRPG> hamitron: lies :P
[01:34] <hamitron> <-- unhappy
[01:34] <hamitron> ;p
[01:34] <safiyyah> but anyway my point was, being black... all races are in unison... they have all decided that blacks are inferior on some level. you will be surprised what people say and do
[01:34] <HazRPG> safiyyah: also, my parents never told my school about my religion because they wanted me to pick too
[01:34] <safiyyah> moreover some people don't get i am black because of the hijaab and they come out with some sh**
[01:34] <safiyyah> lucky for them, am not aggressive
[01:35] <safiyyah> hamitron lol, windows
[01:35] <hamitron> how dare you!
[01:35] <safiyyah> does the blue screen make you feel welcome
[01:35] <safiyyah> lol
[01:35] <hamitron> :(
[01:35] <hamitron> slackware
[01:35] <hamitron> :/
[01:36] <safiyyah> roflllllllll
[01:36] <safiyyah> lol
[01:36] <hamitron> kernel 2.4 too
[01:36] <hamitron> :)
[01:36] <safiyyah> i think it's time i understood the paces with ubuntu
[01:36] <safiyyah> this book you like, linux in a nutshell
[01:36] <safiyyah> the networking mish mash
[01:36] <safiyyah> i never understood it
[01:37] <hamitron> tbh
[01:37] <safiyyah> does this work within ubuntu or should i get an ubuntu book
[01:37] <hamitron> ubuntu have many built in tools to make it easier
[01:37] <HazRPG> safiyyah: so primary school, etc I learned about Christianity/Buddhism/Jew-ism/Islam here in the UK, and then when I went to Saudi because my mum got a job there, I learned more about other religions
[01:37] <hamitron> has*
[01:38] <HazRPG> safiyyah: might be better off getting an ubuntu-based book :)
[01:38] <hamitron> imo, there is no point
[01:39] <hamitron> getting a ubuntu book is like getting a newbie guide
[01:39] <safiyyah> hamitron show me ur book vote then
[01:39] <safiyyah> which book are you voting
[01:39] <hamitron> it depends what you want to learn
[01:39] <hamitron> :)
[01:40] <hamitron> the OS or distro is only part of the story
[01:41] <safiyyah> networks, setting up a home network and just the commandline arguements
[01:41] <safiyyah> i will get the little book for that
[01:41] <ali1234> HazRPG: you forgot hinduism and sikhism, or don't they teach those any more in RE?
[01:41] <hamitron> I've personally found most books to do with any linux or distro is just not in depth enough
[01:41] <hamitron> so you have to get specialist books for what you want
[01:42] <safiyyah> hmm thank you for that
[01:42] <safiyyah> okay we will start with the command line book
[01:42] <HazRPG> ali1234: RE is saudi mainly consisted of Islamic studies and Christianity
[01:42] <safiyyah> i will pop to the library and see what i can borrow
[01:42] <safiyyah> and when am ready i will get the networking books
[01:42] <ali1234> HazRPG: i mean in the UK
[01:42] <HazRPG> ali1234: everything else I learned at primary school, and generally talking to people of different cultures
[01:42] <hamitron> for the command line, I'd use some online tutorials
[01:42] <HazRPG> ali1234: in primary school I only learned the 4 I mentioned
[01:42] <hamitron> to learn it
[01:43] <HazRPG> safiyyah: hmm, as hamitron said it depends what you want to learn, however believing that ubuntu books are only "newbie" guides is incorrect
[01:44] <HazRPG> safiyyah: Ubuntu Hacks, a book I own, goes into some nice details about the ins and outs of things
[01:44] <HazRPG> safiyyah: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ubuntu-Hacks-Tools-Exploring-Tuning/dp/0596527209/ref=sr_1_7?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1298943627&sr=1-7
[01:44] <hamitron> not all no
[01:44] <hamitron> :)
[01:44] <hamitron> just most ;)
[01:44] <HazRPG> safiyyah: you can browse the chapters straight from amazon
[01:45] <hamitron> I also don't believe in restricting your training to the ways of 1 distro
[01:45] <ali1234> command line stuff transfers, GUI stuff does not
[01:45] <ali1234> even ubuntu changes the whole GUI around every couple of years
[01:46] <HazRPG> ali1234: that book I mentioned does have stuff that transfers
[01:47] <hamitron> running a commandline server is probably the best way to learn the commandline
[01:47] <HazRPG> ali1234: first 4 chapters is usual stuff, chapter 5 to 10 is advanced stuff
[01:47] <hamitron> you are forced to learn, to do stuff
[01:48] <safiyyah> i found one for free on pdf
[01:48] <safiyyah> if anyone wants
[01:48] <HazRPG> safiyyah: Ubuntu Hacks?
[01:49] <safiyyah> http://www.slideshare.net/guest2dcaa1/ubuntulinuxtoolbox1000pluscommandsforubuntuanddebianpowerusers
[01:49] <safiyyah> no no ubuntu and debian 1000+ commands
[01:49] <lubotu3`> Error: Debian bug 1000 could not be found
[01:49] <hamitron> :)
[01:50] <safiyyah> have u got ubuntu hacks?
[01:50] <HazRPG> hmm, that website killed my browser!
[01:50] <ali1234> mine too
[01:50] <safiyyah> well i got no probs
[01:50] <safiyyah> lol
[01:50] <hamitron> she hax u ;)
[01:50] <HazRPG> safiyyah: I've got the actual book yeah :)
[01:50] <safiyyah> you do
[01:51] <safiyyah> well this is a full pdf of the book
[01:51] <safiyyah> well i can e-mail it to you if you want
[01:51] <safiyyah> if the browser is murdering you
[01:51] <safiyyah> lol
[01:51] <safiyyah> opera browser is really good for stuff like this
[01:52] <ali1234> here's some of the computing books i own that are good:
[01:52] <ali1234> http://authors.phptr.com/tanenbaumcn4/
[01:52] <safiyyah> guys am really grateful for helping me fix nvidia
[01:52] <safiyyah> makes my monitor feel like home
[01:52] <safiyyah> thanks so much
[01:52] <ali1234> http://maven.smith.edu/~orourke/books/compgeom.html
[01:52] <ali1234> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_C_Programming_Language
[01:53] <ali1234> http://www.charlespetzold.com/pw5/
[01:53] <hamitron> the C book
[01:53] <hamitron> :)
[01:53] <ali1234> that's about it :)
[01:53] <ali1234> the others... i wish i had not bought
[01:54] <HazRPG> safiyyah: its fine, I got the site working
[01:54] <safiyyah> Computational Geometry
[01:54] <HazRPG> safiyyah: no problem
[01:54] <safiyyah> that one... it may as well be space engineering
[01:54] <safiyyah> seriously!
[01:54] <safiyyah> the rest are great
[01:55] <hamitron> I liked this one: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Advanced-Linux-Networking-Roderick-Smith/dp/0201774232/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1298944519&sr=1-1
[01:55] <hamitron> but maybe dated
[01:55] <HazRPG> safiyyah: I'd still recommend Ubuntu Hacks
[01:56] <ali1234> computer networks is probably a bit dated, don't think it covers ipv6. mine doesn't anyway
[01:56] <hamitron> no
[01:56] <HazRPG> keep meaning to re-read mine to refresh my memory, since I bought it back when I didn't really do much in ubuntu (6.06 days)
[01:56] <safiyyah> hamitron : what the ubuntu hack book?
[01:56] <hamitron> I have no ubuntu books
[01:58] <hamitron> is there really a need to cover IPv6 when learning?
[01:59] <HazRPG> sort of... I mean IPv4 is almost all used up
[01:59] <safiyyah> goodnight
[01:59] <hamitron> nn saf
[01:59] <safiyyah> and thanks again guys
[01:59] <hamitron> but hosting services on a local IPv4 network is good way to learn
[02:03] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Stuart Langridge] textmockuptool - http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2011/03/01/textmockuptool
[05:45] <kaushal> hi
[05:46] <kaushal> is there a way to create a installer which installs apache2,mysql and php and all the dependencies ?
[05:56] <Myrtti> why?
[05:56] <Myrtti> it's not rocket science to install them without such an installer
[06:41] <ball> What videoconferencing software do people use on Ubuntu?
[06:56]  * ball gives up and goes to bed
[06:56] <ball> Happy St. David's Day!
[08:34] <DJones> Morning all
[08:34] <hoover_> mornin
[08:58] <daubers> Morning
[08:58] <MartijnVdS> \o
[09:01] <MooDoo> 3hello all
[09:03] <MartijnVdS> 4hi MooDoo
[09:23] <dwatkins> Happy Tuesday to one and all.
[09:23] <MooDoo> dwatkins: indeed
[09:24]  * mungojerry has been up with a feverish baby all night..hoping for an easy day at the office
[09:25] <MooDoo> mungojerry: finished work at midnight, up at 6:30 with my two year old, hard works isn't it ;)
[09:25] <dwatkins> mungojerry: aww :(
[09:26] <MooDoo> mungojerry: hugs any way :)
[09:26] <mungojerry> poor little munchkin was delirious and giggling like a maniac
[09:26] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:26] <mungojerry> at least the heating is on in the office today..man it's cold again in london
[09:27] <mungojerry> starting the day with an aptitude upgrade on my natty box :)
[09:28] <mungojerry> MooDoo: why working so late? shift work?
[09:28] <screen-x> morning :)
[09:30] <MooDoo> mugyeah
[09:30] <MooDoo> mungojerry: yes
[09:39] <popey> morning
[09:39] <screen-x> morning popey :)
[09:39] <bigcalm> Evening
[09:40]  * screen-x updates bigcalm's tzdata
[09:40] <bigcalm> Aha
[09:48] <MooDoo> morning popey
[09:49] <JamesTait> Happy first of meteorological Spring (Northern Hemisphere)/Autumn (Southern Hemisphere)!
[09:49] <JamesTait> Catchy, huh?
[09:49] <MooDoo> JamesTait: er yeah same to you ;)
[09:50]  * bigcalm ponders hybernation
[09:50] <screen-x> bigcalm: bit late for that
[09:50] <bigcalm> Maybe just a nap then
[09:50]  * screen-x testdrives testrdrive
[09:50] <nigelb> morning UKites
[09:51] <screen-x> hmm read that as "you kites"
[09:52] <danfish> morning
[09:54] <danfish> yet another gloriously cloudy and grey day to enjoy :(
[09:56] <JamesTait> The sun keeps trying to break through here.
[09:57] <MooDoo> it's cloudy here, still dry so i'm happy on my motorbike
[09:58] <danfish> and procreate'
[09:59] <danfish> oops - were'd the rest of that sentence go? nvm
[09:59] <danfish> time to make CAKE
[10:00] <MartijnVdS> danfish: And a looooooong jacket
[10:00] <MooDoo> cake o/
[10:00]  * bigcalm enjoys the sun while he can
[10:00] <dutchie> you have sun?
[10:00]  * dutchie jealous
[10:01]  * mungojerry is huddled around a radiator to keep warm
[10:02] <danfish> dutchie: just get the physics department to whip up an artificial sun ;)
[10:02] <bigcalm> A SAD lamp?
[10:04] <MooDoo> bigcalm: didn't know what one of them was until i saw one at my mum and dads
[10:04] <danfish> bigcalm: nah - he's at Oxford - a few grams of hydrogen, a few volts and boom, a little hydrogen fusion machine!
[10:14] <dutchie> danfish: heh, the physics department *is* only next door
[10:16] <danfish> :D
[10:16] <screen-x> dutchie: I'm not sure thats a safe distance
[10:18] <dutchie> haha
[10:19] <bigcalm> 1st March always surprises me due to Feb being short. Direct Debits hover the join account quite effectively
[10:20] <danfish> despite being married for a 'gbh' term, still no joint account
[10:21] <MooDoo> danfish: makes things a little easier,
[10:21] <bigcalm> danfish: you surprise me
[10:21] <MooDoo> danfish: get paid, DD the lot to the joint account ;)
[10:22] <popey> i only have a joint account
[10:22] <bigcalm> MooDoo: very much so. We pay all of our bills and buy food on the joint yet keep our own independent accounts
[10:22] <MooDoo> bigcalm: yeah we do that too
[10:23] <danfish> I'm not trusted with the finances - wife's an accountant
[10:23] <screen-x> danfish: 10 years?
[10:23] <danfish> screen-x: yup
[10:23] <bigcalm> danfish: that sounds handy
[10:23] <danfish> her b'day today, so hence the cake making
[10:24] <bigcalm> Happy Birthday Mrs Fish
[10:24]  * danfish puts on a high voice and says 'Why thankyou bigcalm':P 
[10:24] <bigcalm> Haha
[10:25] <popey> lol
[10:26] <danfish> all ready for the show 2nite popey?
[10:27] <bigcalm> Broadcasting Live In 00 Days, 10 Hours, 04 Minutes, 07 Seconds.
[10:28] <screen-x> heh in my calendar for tomorrow, I have uupc release, and ipad event..
[10:29] <bigcalm> You think that the show will be edited down and ready for release tomorrow?
[10:29] <screen-x> bigcalm: well, it's in the uupc calendar..
[10:30] <bigcalm> Aha
[10:30] <danfish> bigcalm: you did volunteer to do the editing......
[10:30] <bigcalm> ¬.¬
[10:30] <mungojerry> also 9 days to go before somebody does a rm -rf / on opensuse.org
[10:31] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[10:31] <MartijnVdS> *ahem*
[10:31] <mungojerry> shame, i liked their logo
[10:32] <MooDoo> mungojerry: huh?  it being closed down?
[10:32] <bigcalm> Suse was the 1st boxed linux distro that I bought back in the late 90s. Odd times with only dialup connections
[10:32]  * screen-x has a fluffy cameleon from oggcamp \o/
[10:32] <bigcalm> I should have nabbed one myself
[10:32] <bigcalm> Ho hum
[10:33] <mungojerry> MooDoo: was a little bit tongue in cheek...don't know what will happen to suse after the novell sale to attachmate
[10:33] <MooDoo> mungojerry: ah!
[10:35] <dutchie> bigcalm: i donated that to my sister :)
[10:36] <mungojerry> did popey disclose the new venue for oggcamp yet?
[10:37] <bigcalm> Not that I've seen
[10:37] <MooDoo> mungojerry: down south, that's about all we know
[10:37] <popey> :)
[10:37] <screen-x> secretive popey is secretive
[10:37] <popey> my son has a fluffy Suse cameleon from oggcamp too
[10:37] <popey> he really likes it
[10:38]  * AlanBell wonders if it will be announced in tonights podcast
[10:38]  * mungojerry checks on ebay for fluffy chameleons
[10:40] <mungojerry> i'm going to a trade show on friday..best i'll get is a couple of naff stress toys
[10:40] <dutchie> not even a mug?
[10:40] <mungojerry> last year i got a vmware leatherette folder and nice pen.
[10:40] <mungojerry> now i'm a paying customer i think i deserve the umbrella
[10:40] <screen-x> haha
[10:40] <mungojerry> redhat gave me a notebook
[10:40] <screen-x> mungojerry: was that a vforum?
[10:41] <mungojerry> insight show
[10:42] <daubers> \o/ oggcamp
[10:43] <mungojerry> i have loads of redhat gear from when i did a RHCE and there were only 4 in the class, so we got promo gear for 20 people divided up between us
[10:43] <mungojerry> :)
[10:44] <popey> heh
[10:50] <bigcalm> Nice
[10:55] <mungojerry> wrote an email this morning in the wrong frame of mind only to discover 1hr later i had not sent it. phew...deleted all the incriminating bits
[10:58] <MartijnVdS> mungojerry: http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2008/10/new-in-labs-stop-sending-mail-you-later.html
[10:59] <bigcalm> I used that for a while for some amusement
[10:59] <mungojerry> MartijnVdS: maybe i need a mood test before sending mine
[10:59] <bigcalm> Sadly I shite at mental maths, bloody dyslexia, so removed it
[11:00] <mungojerry> is getting rogered from all sides at the moment
[11:00] <MartijnVdS> mungojerry: go for a run.. after 10-20km you'll feel at peace with the world :)
[11:00] <daubers> mungojerry: Or paint! Nothing as relaxing as letting your mind wander while you paint some models
[11:01] <mungojerry> pointy haired bosses are still here when i come back
[11:01] <mungojerry> daubers:  i agree - i do like making and painting airfixes :)
[11:01] <bigcalm> I juggle to clear my mind
[11:01] <mungojerry> maybe i should bring some to work
[11:02] <mungojerry> feels rather pointless working on projects when you think everything is about to be canned
[11:02] <mungojerry> that's probably why i'm not lurking on irc lately :(
[11:03] <daubers> mungojerry: I've not built airfix in years. Took up Warhammer after christmas though
[11:03] <mungojerry> is that like games workshop stuff?
[11:04] <mungojerry> i've seen some great stuff
[11:04] <daubers> It is games workshop stuff
[11:04] <mungojerry> you can enjoy that stuff and every age and ability
[11:05] <daubers> Indeed :) Currently painting one of these http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440247a&prodId=prod1850000
[11:05] <daubers> which is incredibly fiddly
[11:05] <mungojerry> are they pre-constructed?
[11:06] <daubers> Nope. Same as airfix
[11:06] <daubers> Some of the models are metal, which are preconstructed, but the majority are plastic parts on frames
[11:07] <bigcalm> Airfix sounds more appealing to me. I'm not into stats and such
[11:08] <daubers> bigcalm: I know someone who does it just to build and paint them. Doesn't actually play the game
[11:08] <BigRedS> yeah, I've known a couple of people do that
[11:08] <BigRedS> find it quite relaxing
[11:09] <daubers> I find it _the_ best way to relieve stress
[11:09] <mungojerry> http://i.imgur.com/4g9TP.jpg
[11:09] <mungojerry> one of my more recent efforts
[11:10] <bigcalm> Maybe I'll start with this one: http://www.airfix.com/search/?searchguid=20113111832
[11:10] <BigRedS> I used to do a bit of airfix, but I was never anywhere near happy with the painting :(
[11:10] <mungojerry> bigcalm: link didn't work :(
[11:10] <bigcalm> The one that James May built (with help) is at the local RAF base, looks cool
[11:10] <BigRedS> some of their fast jets models use plastic that's aready the right colour, though :)
[11:10] <mungojerry> BigRedS: i did it when i was a kid, then took it up again a couple of years back
[11:10] <mungojerry> painting improves with time and patience
[11:11] <mungojerry> and good paint and brushes
[11:11] <mungojerry> if anyone likes wallace and gromit, then airfix do a great kit
[11:11] <bigcalm> http://www.airfix.com/airfix-products/aircraft/military-aircraft/19301950/a01001-btk-spitfire-a01001/
[11:11] <mungojerry> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/kieRIUWhKvjrm6U2sgQkjQ?feat=directlink
[11:12] <BigRedS> mungojerry: I have recently had a hankering for a hurricane hanging from my ceiling again...
[11:12] <mungojerry> bigcalm: prob a nice one to start with. you might need a coat of acrylic primer spray can from halfords before you paint the model proper
[11:12] <bigcalm> mungojerry: noted, ta
[11:13] <mungojerry> the RAF museum in hendon is superb for reference materiak
[11:14] <Daviey> gmb, I felt privileged just now - getting an email: "Graham Binns wants to be your friend".... I was over the moon... Then the goodness got destroyed with "...on Gowalla."
[11:15] <gmb> Daviey: You know that I already love you in an inappropriate fashion, so don't feel too downhearted.
[11:17] <Daviey> \o/
[11:18] <daubers> bigcalm: basecoat ++
[11:18] <Daviey> gmb, we could have a slumber party soon.. eat pizza and stay up REALLY late.
[11:19] <daubers> I'll be happy once I've built this http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440252a&prodId=prod770022a and can start painting it
[11:19] <bigcalm> Hayley and I should go back to RAF Cosford. Huge place we have yet to finish looking around
[11:19] <mungojerry> GW seems to provide great opportunity for weathering techniques
[11:20] <mungojerry> hmm natty is taking longer to get to a working desktop from the login prompt than windows XP
[11:20] <BigRedS> I used to live behind RAF Hendon. Now that I don't, I keep wanting to go visit it...
[11:21] <screen-x> BigRedS: yeah, it seems odd to visit places when you live too near them.
[11:21] <mungojerry> yeah, like london sights
[11:23] <screen-x> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable-stayed_bridge (just to keep things on topic)
[11:24] <davmor2> morning all
[11:29] <bigcalm> screen-x: which topic?
[11:29] <bigcalm> Hi davmor2
[11:29] <screen-x> bigcalm: /topic
[11:29] <mungojerry> !topic
[11:29] <bigcalm> Aha
[11:29] <lubotu3`> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[11:29] <bigcalm> !
[11:54] <mungojerry> what's the best app for ripping CDs to mp3 without needing to enter complicated parameters to the lame encoder?
[11:54] <Baikonur> iTunes
[11:54] <AlanBell> rhythmbox kinda works for me
[11:54] <Baikonur> ...
[11:57] <DJones> mungojerry: I use sound  juicer
[11:58] <mungojerry> it's funny, i always buy music digitally now, but i've been given some CDs and realised i haven't ripped music for 3 years or so...apps have improved since then
[11:59]  * MartijnVdS still buys loads of CDs
[11:59] <bigcalm> Progress is good
[11:59] <MartijnVdS> U1MS doesn't have 50% of music here in .nl :(
[11:59] <bigcalm> I listen to stuff on Spotify and then buy CDs of the stuff I like
[11:59] <mungojerry> although i still have a bunch of CDs that didn't retrieve the cddb info :(
[11:59] <BigRedS> I've only paid for music again since I got spotify a few months ago
[11:59] <BigRedS> until then, I'd just not bothered with new music, or listened to the raido
[12:00] <bigcalm> 6music \o/
[12:00] <BigRedS> hah, no, radio 4 :)
[12:00] <bigcalm> I find http://soundcloud.com/ninja-tune is good to have in the background while coding
[12:00] <mungojerry> the 2 CDs i got were ones I have listened to probably 30 times on spotify and then chose to buy
[12:00] <davmor2> mungojerry: banshee, rhythmbox, sound juicer all do it with realtive ease,  for mp3 you need to modify the settings in RB
[12:01] <BigRedS> bigcalm: hah, I think the last CD I bought was a Ninja Tune compilation thingy
[12:01] <mungojerry> thanks, i just realised there have been imporovments..
[12:01] <mungojerry> previously rhythmbox required a lame command line to get decent quality (their presets were bad)
[12:10] <mungojerry> apart from a few annoyances, banshee has become my favourite music player since amarok 1.x
[12:16] <jacobw> i think still have a modify a command line string in gnome audio profiles to improve the MP3 encoding in RB
[12:18] <Myrtti> popey ♥
[12:18] <mungojerry> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/611
[12:19] <mungojerry> ^^ shuttleworth posted about that banshee argument
[12:21] <mungojerry> jacobw: yeah, i have some stuff in my library that rhythmbox did a rotten job of
[12:21] <mungojerry> and even older stuff in ogg format when i thought that ogg would gain acceptance
[12:22] <popey> Myrtti: hmm?
[12:23] <popey> mp3c is quite a good cd ripper btw :)
[12:23] <MartijnVdS> mungojerry: I have everything in FLAC
[12:23] <MartijnVdS> ripped using sound-juicer (\o/ musicbrainz support/tagging)
[12:24] <mungojerry> MartijnVdS: which mp3 player do you and significant other use?
[12:24] <Myrtti> popey: recent emails on a mailing list
[12:24] <popey> oh
[12:24] <popey> :)
[12:24] <mungojerry> i have a cowon iaudio which supports ogg/flac but Mrs MJ does not
[12:24] <MartijnVdS> mungojerry: Android phone.. but banshee (and rhythmbox) converts to mp3 when putting it on the device
[12:25] <mungojerry> MartijnVdS: when i started ripping in 2001 , disk space was precious
[12:25] <MartijnVdS> mungojerry: welcome to 2011 :P
[12:25] <mungojerry> i could employ a slave to do it all again for me
[12:25] <MartijnVdS> mungojerry: I re-ripped in '06 or something
[12:25] <mungojerry> flu? broken leg? boredom
[12:25] <MartijnVdS> mungojerry: boredom, disk crash :)
[12:27] <brobostigon> afternoonings everyone.
[12:32] <jacobw> hi brobostigon
[12:34] <brobostigon> hi jacobw
[13:01] <brobostigon> 726102, my first bug i have filed that has been fixed, yay, :)
[13:01] <jacobw> \o/
[13:01] <brobostigon> thank you to the indicator-datetime guys, :)
[13:02] <HazRPG> hi all \o
[13:02] <brobostigon> afternoonings HazRPG :)
[13:04] <HazRPG> brobostigon: afternoon :)
[13:04] <HazRPG> brobostigon: indicator-datetime?
[13:06] <brobostigon> HazRPG: its part of unity, goes up in the top righ hand corner, to display date and time, and with a click a calandar. right next to the me menu.
[13:07] <MartijnVdS> it replaces the old calendar thingy from Gnome, I guess
[13:07] <brobostigon> i would agree.yes.
[13:07] <brobostigon> can someone confirm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/726179 who are also on natty, please.
[13:08] <lubotu3`> Ubuntu bug 726179 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "stuttery adobe flash chromium video playback" [Undecided,New]
[13:08] <brobostigon> help*
[13:19] <mungojerry> brobostigon:
[13:20] <mungojerry> i will take a look now, chrome on natty vs lucid
[13:20] <brobostigon> mungojerry: i used chromium, not chrome. but they are both basiclly the same, do you also have said intel chipset?
[13:21] <mungojerry> sorry i meant chromium
[13:22]  * BigRedS is a bit bemused that `apachectl start` returns 0 even when apache fails to start
[13:22] <popey> 5nice
[13:23] <dutchie> popey: seem to have a bit of a 5 overload atm
[13:23] <brobostigon> mungojerry: that would be good if you could test it, thank you,
[13:23] <mungojerry> just trying it now
[13:24] <mungojerry> full screen flash brobostigon?
[13:24] <brobostigon> mungojerry: i had it on normal screen size, not full screen.
[13:25] <mungojerry> seems ok
[13:25] <brobostigon> mungojerry: in natty, with the same eeepc model, with the same gpu type?
[13:26] <mungojerry> although i don't have speakers. video seems smooth on intel 82945G
[13:26] <mungojerry> CPU is 100% though
[13:27] <mungojerry> i suspect i would get similar results on my eee 701
[13:27] <brobostigon> it is a little better than it was, but nowhere near as good as in maverick.
[13:28] <mungojerry> is your cpu flatlining?
[13:29] <brobostigon> more or less, yes.
[13:29] <brobostigon> mungojerry: is this in natty?
[13:29] <mungojerry> yes
[13:30] <mungojerry> but not an eee pc...just a regular pc with intel gfx
[13:30] <brobostigon> hmmm, i suspect it isnt comparable then. because the HW isnt close enough.
[13:31] <mungojerry> i will check on my eee pc when i have time..although would need to run from liveusb though
[13:32] <brobostigon> try it with persistant, and update xorg and the intel drivers, so it is a comparable test.
[13:35] <BigRedS> q!
[13:35] <BigRedS> heh. wrong windwo
[13:35] <HazRPG> brobostigon: ah cool
[13:36] <bigcalm> I wish I could send emails from outlook with :wq!
[13:36] <brobostigon> HazRPG: :)
[13:53] <kaushal> hi
[13:54] <hamitron> afternoon :)
[13:54] <kaushal> hamitron: hi
[13:54] <kaushal> can some one please guide me about https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2011-March/240573.html ?
[13:57] <screen-x> kaushal: pay someone to write kernel modules faster
[13:59] <kaushal> screen-x: so it boils down to develop kernel module for the new chipset ?
[13:59] <popey> kaushal: buy stuff that works, and contact manufacturers and let them know you use Linux and would like a driver
[14:00] <kaushal> popey: so a driver would be also called as Kernel module ?
[14:00] <kaushal> in linux terminology
[14:00] <popey> depends
[14:01] <popey> there may already be a driver which just needs different options
[14:01] <popey> or the existing driver may work, but might need to be called in a different way or via a different address
[14:03] <brobostigon> cuppa time.
[14:03] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Dave Morris] Reinstalling everything on Ubuntu - http://davemorris.wordpress.com/2011/03/01/reinstalling-everything-on-ubuntu/
[14:11] <BigRedS> Is there a Free alternative to Fantastico?
[14:11]  * popey googles it
[14:11] <BigRedS> it seems to do automated wordpress installs
[14:11] <BigRedS> that's the bit I've been asked for anyway
[14:12] <popey> they're semi automatic already
[14:12] <screen-x> BigRedS: could you have one install and use mu?
[14:12] <popey> can't be that hard
[14:12] <andylockran> howdy all
[14:12] <MooDoo> *yawn*
[14:12] <BigRedS> nah, I just wondered if someone else had already gone to all the effort :)
[14:13]  * brobostigon gets MooDoo a cuppa.
[14:14] <MooDoo> brobostigon: need one :)
[14:14] <brobostigon> MooDoo: you're welcome, :)
[14:14] <MooDoo> brobostigon:  :)
[14:15]  * brobostigon scp's MooDoo a large mug of tea.
[14:15] <MooDoo> :)
[14:15] <MooDoo> why thank you
[14:15] <brobostigon> :) you're welcome.
[14:16] <brobostigon> TTP - Tea transfer protocol. :)
[14:16] <BigRedS> screen-x: perhaps. I've no idea what mu is and google's not helping :)
[14:16]  * BigRedS tries apt-cache
[14:17] <dutchie> BigRedS: multiuser
[14:17] <BigRedS> ohhhh
[14:17] <BigRedS> yeah, that should have been more obvious to me than it was :)
[14:18] <screen-x> oooh, sorry wasnt watching.
[14:25] <the_evil_gungur> could anyone here help me configure lilo to boot ubuntu?
[14:25] <gord> http://www.joystiq.com/2011/03/01/the-humble-indie-bundle-leaving-no-customer-behind/ - makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside to hear people say "yes, if you make games for linux, people will buy them with enthusiasm!"
[14:26] <the_evil_gungur> I have a line   image = /vmlinuz in my lilo.conf , and lilo errors  Fatal: open /vmlinuz: No such file or directory
[14:27] <screen-x> the_evil_gungur: do you have a specific need for lilo over grub?
[14:27] <the_evil_gungur> screen-x: no, can i reinstall grub with the livecd?
[14:27] <brobostigon> !grub2
[14:27] <lubotu3`> GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[14:28] <screen-x> the_evil_gungur: yes
[14:28] <brobostigon> the_evil_gungur: yes, you can.
[14:52] <HazRPG> Anyone here use Calibre?
[14:52] <popey> yup
[14:52] <MartijnVdS> Calibre rocks
[14:52] <HazRPG> :)
[14:52] <HazRPG> What options do you guys use for conversion?
[14:53] <MartijnVdS> defaults mostly
[14:53] <HazRPG> Does that work out ok?
[14:53] <MartijnVdS> speaking of which
[14:53] <MartijnVdS> I've meen meaning to tune font size a bit :)
[14:53] <MartijnVdS> landscape fonts are HUGE on my device atm :)
[14:55] <popey> i dont do conversion
[14:56] <mungojerry> gord: how many games from the indie bundle have you played?
[14:56] <gord> mungojerry, all of them
[14:56] <HazRPG> popey: guessing you make sure the formats you get them in are compatible from the  get go?
[14:56] <gord> i had bought at least half of them before though so i had a headstart
[14:56] <mungojerry> i bought HIB2 and only played machinarium and a bit of the blobs one
[14:56] <HazRPG> mungojerry: all
[14:56] <dutchie> mungojerry: but lugaru is so good!
[14:56] <gord> maybe you should play them? aquaria is a masterpiece
[14:57] <mungojerry> gord, which bundle was that in?
[14:57] <gord> the first
[14:57] <mungojerry> dutchie: is lugaru the nija bunny one?
[14:57] <dutchie> yeah
[14:57] <mungojerry> hmm didn't look that good
[14:58] <mungojerry> machinarium i loved, i played it to completion
[14:58] <HazRPG> I really like Machinarium :)
[14:59] <mungojerry> however i just bought donkey kong returns on the wii..probably the only game i will play for a while
[15:00] <mungojerry> i should play the others or the HIB price i paid doesn't work out that well :P ..didn't get on with braid that much. wasn't sure why i couldn't complete levels
[15:01] <HazRPG> hmm, the conversion Calibre did was pretty good - however making its own ToC was a bit poor
[15:01] <popey> HazRPG: I dont actually even think about it
[15:01] <popey> HazRPG: it just works
[15:01] <HazRPG> considering it already had a ToC
[15:03] <mungojerry> oooh http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/webupd8/~3/oxTrzf26kUA/ubuntu-live-cd-will-let-you-upgrade-to.html
[15:04] <popey> :)
[15:06] <AlanBell> is that a gui option for the "don't nuke /home" thing?
[15:08] <davmor2> AlanBell: possibly it's been able to do it for a while you just had to do manual partitioning
[15:08] <kaushal> popey: hi
[15:08] <kaushal> saw your reply
[15:09] <HazRPG> mungojerry: Ooo, nice!
[15:09] <kaushal> I have USB Dongle connected to my Ubuntu Laptop. How do i share the Wifi or Internet to other users in the same network
[15:09] <popey> there are other nice features in the installer with this realease
[15:10] <popey> right, so you want to move the conversation from the mailing list to here?
[15:10] <kaushal> sure
[15:10] <popey> thats annoying for everyone on the list who will now never see the answers
[15:10] <popey> and for people who search for that term
[15:10] <popey> hey ho
[15:10] <kaushal> np
[15:10] <kaushal> please comment it in the Mailing list only
[15:13] <mungojerry> kaushal: also, for questions you haven't sent to a list already, have you seen askubuntu.com ? it's a great resource for asking and finding answered questions
[15:13] <kaushal> ok
[15:15] <mungojerry> tried playing the game portal the other day..i must be getting old but i haven't thought about playing it again since the inital 30 mins i spent on it
[15:20] <popey> I've played it through a couple of times
[15:20] <screen-x> mungojerry: the cake is a lie
[15:20] <mungojerry> screen-x: huh?
[15:20] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://www.slashgear.com/wifi-only-motorola-xoom-pricing-confirmed-01136733/
[15:21] <BigRedS> screen-x: you don't get that in the first half hour unless you're _really_ quick
[15:21] <popey> 450 quid for a wifi only android tablet?
[15:22] <screen-x> mungojerry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal_(video_game)#Plot
[15:22] <MartijnVdS> popey: £60 cheaper than a wifi-only ipad with the same amount of storage
[15:22] <popey> and "better" spec :)
[15:22] <popey> flash (apparently I need this)
[15:22] <popey> [I do not]
[15:22] <MartijnVdS> it won't start out with flash
[15:23] <popey> 3d graphics, camera, bigger screen.
[15:23] <mungojerry> screen-x: i didn't get past the initial training..i got a bit bored..does it get better after that?
[15:23] <MartijnVdS> adobe are still brea^Hmaking it work
[15:23] <popey> stereo speakers
[15:23] <Myrtti> meep
[15:23]  * MartijnVdS wants Dutch pricing :\
[15:23] <popey> the ipad is a year old though :)
[15:23] <popey> I suspect a new one will overtake the xoom very shortly ;)
[15:24] <screen-x> mungojerry: not really if you aren't intrigued by the initial concept, but I haven't played that much.
[15:24] <MartijnVdS> popey: at least Apple has competition now ;)
[15:25] <popey> hehe
[15:25] <mungojerry> screen-x: the main problem was having to boot into windows on my desktop to play it...not working on my laptop under wine :(
[15:27] <mungojerry> never got round to finishing HL2 either though...it's a bit like novels and non-fiction books...get about 1/2 way uusually
[15:34] <HazRPG> Wow, some real classics on Gutenberg.org :D
[15:35] <HazRPG> this'll keep me occupied for months!
[15:37] <brobostigon> i would try, principia mathematica,by sir isaac newton, thats if i understood latin.
[15:38] <danfish> brobostigon: run it through google translate ;)
[15:39] <brobostigon> danfish: it might take a while, its a big book. :)
[15:39] <domjohnson> Whats this Partial Upgrade?
[15:41] <HazRPG> brobostigon: I would if I could understand it ^^
[15:41] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: try this: http://www.archive.org/details/TheVoynichManuscript
[15:43] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: If you can read it, then I'll give that one a shot... but I highly doubt an undecipherable language is even worth looking into unless you can decipher languages :P
[15:43] <brobostigon> HazRPG: its about the basic laws of motion  and gravity.
[15:43] <HazRPG> brobostigon: hehe I know ;)
[15:43] <brobostigon> HazRPG: :)
[15:43]  * HazRPG likes science :)
[15:44]  * brobostigon has a specific interest in time dilation.
[15:44] <HazRPG> brobostigon: awesome :)
[15:44] <dutchie> brobostigon: not much about time dilation in principia :)
[15:45] <dutchie> i understand einstein's SR paper from 1905 is surprisingly accessible though
[15:45] <brobostigon> dutchie: no, einstein did most of the work on it, about bending space time, due to gravity and speed.
[15:45] <brobostigon> HazRPG: :)
[15:46] <HazRPG> dutchie: not sure about that one, but I did grab a few from here earlier: http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/search.html/?default_prefix=author_id&sort_order=downloads&query=1630
[15:58] <mungojerry> reading the communist manifesto on the gutenberg site ..always good for a laugh
[15:59] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: Not sure if its to your taste, but its GeoHot's video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iUvuaChDEg
[15:59] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: not quite my style, no
[16:01] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: Heard about him taking donations for more lawyers?
[16:02] <HazRPG> to try and fix the system so that consumers have a right to do with their hardware what they see fit
[16:05] <directhex> geohot is such a douchebag
[16:05] <HazRPG> directhex: interesting, why do you think that?
[16:06] <directhex> HazRPG, compare him rapping badly on youtube to the fail0verflow presentation at CCC
[16:07] <HazRPG> I guess
[16:09]  * popey has no idea who geohot is
[16:09] <popey> I am clearly out of touch with the kids
[16:10] <MartijnVdS> popey: ask your kids ;)
[16:10] <exobuzz> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Hotz
[16:10] <screen-x> popey: and you even have an iphone
[16:11] <popey> the two are orthogonal
[16:17] <bigcalm> Time on battery: 1d 16h, battery remaining: 33%
[16:18] <bigcalm> I <3 the internets
[16:18] <bigcalm> Setting the wifi sleep policy to never seems counter intuative, but looks like 3g is very hungry
[16:24] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: *#*#4636#*#* -> set to GSM Auto (PRL)
[16:25] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: that makes it only use 3G when there's data traffic (or something), 2G otherwise
[16:25] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: worked on my N1
[16:31] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: are you trying out CM7rc1?
[16:31] <MartijnVdS> no
[16:32] <MartijnVdS> I have 2.3.3 stock
[16:32] <bigcalm> Aww
[16:32] <MartijnVdS> ♥ stock firmware
[16:32] <bigcalm> I <3 messing about ;)
[16:32] <bigcalm> ddwrt on my router
[16:33] <HazRPG> bigcalm: I wish I had a router that would let me put that on :(
[16:37] <Tommeh> They aren't too expensive :)
[17:06] <DeathSling> Hi all, can anyone help me with ssh auto connecting. I have googled it lots but it would seem I too stupid because I still can't make it work
[17:07] <DeathSling> I have made the keys with ssh-keygen but where should these go?  It doesn't work if I put them in ~/.ssh
[17:09] <BigRedS> you'll need one of them on the remote server, too
[17:09] <BigRedS> did you follow a tutorial?
[17:10] <BigRedS> In other news, this strikes me as pretty dumb behaviour on ls's part: http://pastebin.com/7WY134by
[17:10] <DeathSling> i did, but it's not adding up right
[17:11] <BigRedS> where is the tutorial? It might've missed a step :)
[17:12] <DeathSling> I've looked at a few
[17:13] <BigRedS> OK.
[17:13] <BigRedS> you did an ssh-keygen? then scp'd the .pub file to the remote host and appended it to authorized_keys?
[17:14] <BigRedS> and then made sure that only you may write to any of the files in ~/.ssh?
[17:15] <DeathSling> I created the key file (which output in my home directory) and named the file after the host computer, transfered it to other host and I have tried it in both ~/host_vemail_1.pub & ~/.ssh/host_vemail_1.pub       I trust I can name them to whatever I like?
[17:16] <BigRedS> did you append it to authorized_keys?
[17:16] <DeathSling> arrhhh   append you say! no I did not.... This is whats wrong isn't it. I thought that file was just for the manual connections
[17:16] <BigRedS> i.e. 4 through 7 here http://www.laubenheimer.net/ssh-keys.shtml
[17:16] <BigRedS> ah, no, that's where you dictate whih keys may be used for auth :)
[17:17] <BigRedS> *which
[17:19] <DeathSling> BigRedS: I will try that right now.... thanks!
[17:25] <popey> personally i woudldn't faff like that
[17:25] <popey> ssh-keygen
[17:25] <popey> ssh-copy-id <remotehost>
[17:25] <popey> job done
[17:33]  * BigRedS notes thsi ssh-copy-id voodoo for next time
[17:34]  * brobostigon returns
[17:35] <HazRPG> oh, heh yeah that was something I was learning earlier last week :)
[17:35] <HazRPG> planning on posting all notes I took down on my blog :)
[17:36] <HazRPG> possibly making some videos for the podcast if people have read and approve of them :)
[17:36] <HazRPG> sorry not podcast... the screencast video section of ubuntu-uk
[17:36] <HazRPG> if that's even right :S
[17:36]  * HazRPG recalls a bug about the website about not enough videos existing...
[17:41] <HazRPG> my mistake, it was apparently the ubuntu.com site, but still :)
[17:44] <popey> screencasts.ubuntu.com ?
[17:44] <HazRPG> that's the one
[17:44] <popey> :)
[17:44] <HazRPG> thinking of contributing stuff to it :)
[17:45] <HazRPG> since I have indulged into coding for ubuntu or linux yet
[17:45] <HazRPG> although I know it would be much different from what I know of coding so far anyway
[17:46] <HazRPG> just have a few more tricks to learn before I can say I'm confident enough to do them though
[17:47] <HazRPG> popey: like I said, I'll be posting my notes on my blog first so that you guys can at least tell me what I've wrote is right before making some screencasts for it
[17:47]  * popey set that site up :)
[17:47] <HazRPG> popey: I know, I saw the details ;)
[17:48] <popey> heh
[17:54] <Myrtti> oof, halloumi is salty++
[17:54] <Myrtti> squeek says my kidneys
[17:55] <davmor2> Myrtti: you sure that's not AAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGHHHHH! say your kidneys
[18:01] <bigcalm> Squeeky cheese FTW \o/
[18:04] <Myrtti> Finnish squeeky cheese is better :-/
[18:05] <HazRPG> popey: is there a way to get Calibre to open just the ebook (e.g. double-clicking it)
[18:05] <HazRPG> ?*
[18:05] <popey> no idea
[18:05] <HazRPG> noticed it installed LRF Viewer, but that doesn't open up epubs
[18:06] <brobostigon> i just got me n800 out again, justneed something useful to do with it.
[18:12] <HazRPG> popey: ooo found it
[18:12] <HazRPG> ebook-viewer
[18:13] <HazRPG> and seems passing a file over works perfectly :)
[18:46] <ging> what happens if you boot from a live cd then take it out burn something to a cd ?
[18:51] <marxjohnson> you wont be able to unless you've loaded the system in to ram
[18:51] <marxjohnson> I dont know if Ubuntu does it, but Knoppix has an option at boot to load into ram
[18:52] <marxjohnson> Aha https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BootToRAM
[18:53] <marxjohnson> oh, that's overly complicated
[18:54] <shauno> seems out of date too.  it's in casper as of 10.04, just add 'toram' to the boot args (F6 at grub/isolinux/whatever they use now)
[19:03] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alan Pope] Ubuntu UK Podcast Returns for Season 4 - http://popey.com/blog/2011/03/01/ubuntu-uk-podcast-returns-for-season-4/
[19:04] <ging> might download that to my kindle
[19:11] <danfish> dutchie: get a haircut ;)
[19:12] <Myrtti> plargh
[19:13] <dutchie> danfish: :)
[19:14] <dutchie> (context: http://twitpic.com/453gxc for others)
[19:15] <DJones> Haircut, sheep shearer more like :)
[19:22] <Neoti> hi all ... can anyone tell me how to get the default right hand side things to appear as they where when ubuntu was installed... i have lost all the things on the right hand side of my task bar???
[19:23] <DJones> !panels | Neoti I think this might be the one to reset your panels
[19:23] <lubotu3`> Neoti I think this might be the one to reset your panels: To reset the gnome panel to defaults, type this in a !terminal: « gconftool --recursive-unset /apps/panel && killall gnome-panel »
[19:23] <DJones> Assuming you're using Ubuntu with gnome
[19:24] <Neoti> yes that did it ... now i just needto reset it to how it was 5 mins ago Thanks
[19:35] <nucc1> there'a a program that disables the touchpd whilst typing, anyone remember its name?
[19:37] <dmdrummond> nucc1: it's an option in Gnome under Preferences->Mouse->Touchpad
[19:38] <jacobw> ubuntu netbook?
[19:38]  * jacobw has scrolled down
[19:41] <nucc1> dmdrummond, that doesn't seem to be effective on this machine
[19:41] <nucc1> its an old hp 510
[19:59] <Azelphur> Is it illegal (blackmail?) to threaten to go public with information about a security company firing Denial service attacks at people if they don't agree to stop?
[19:59] <Azelphur> I have pretty much all the info on said not so nice company
[19:59] <Azelphur> I sent them an email but they replied rather rudely indicating that they don't give a crap pretty much
[19:59] <ikonia> what's going on in the UK today
[20:00] <DJones> Azelphur: I would say yes, it'd be blackmail. sensible thing to do would be to report them to 1) Police/authorities 2) Their ISP
[20:01] <DJones> ikonia: Personally, its  been pretty quiet in my part of the UK :)
[20:01] <Azelphur> indeed, looks like a better idea
[20:02] <ikonia> DJones: not a bad way to be
[20:04] <nucc1> ikonia, DJones its practically always pretty quiet in the UK :p
[20:04] <nucc1> unless the government threatens further cuts
[20:04] <ikonia> nucc1: I think it can have it's ups and down
[20:04] <Azelphur> yay, I have a lawyer on my side :P
[20:04] <danfish> or bansheegate :(
[20:04] <Azelphur> he says contact their local DA and provide them with all the information
[20:05] <nucc1> ikonia, i think i'll go out and have a drink. it's been too quiet today. :p
[20:08] <brobostigon> can someone who is natty with unity test this please, does synaptic put its menu's in the thingie nest to window controls, or where they used to be?
[20:13] <DJones> ikonia: No doubt how its going in the uk is a lot quieter than it is in #u :)
[20:14] <DJones> And less stressful
[20:21] <ikonia> I'm looking for some good popart/popculture type wall paper, hi res, any suggestions on good sites to see, deviantart is a bit empty these days
[20:37] <dwatkins> ikonia: http://www.wallpapervortex.com/wallpaper-13044_star_wars_storm_trooper_keyboard.html
[20:42] <tta> what are the parameters of "your freedom" to use a usb modem freely?please
[20:49] <the_evil_gungur> Hi, I need some help configuring lilo to boot ubuntu, I dont have the livecd (or any cds) on me,
[20:50] <brobostigon> !lilo
[20:50] <lubotu3`> lilo is an alternative [Li]nux Boot[Lo]ader. Note: it is recommended that you use GRUB on Ubuntu instead.
[20:53] <the_evil_gungur> thats cool, im just gonna state my problem, if anyone knows the answer let me know
[20:55] <brobostigon> i would go with grub. lilo as iunderstand it, is old now, and doesntsupport certainthings. grub2 is now up-to-date, and stable, andhas modern functionality.
[20:55] <brobostigon> the_evil_gungur: may iaskwhy you choose lilo?
[20:56] <the_evil_gungur> my ubuntu stuff in lilo.conf  is    image = /vmlinuz root = /dev/sda1  label = ubuntu ; but when try to install lilo it errors : Fatal: open /vmlinuz: No such file or directory  ; which makes sense because its on a different partition, i tried /dev/sda1/vmlinuz but same error, how can i point lilo to my ubuntu partition ?
[20:57] <the_evil_gungur> brobostigon: no particular reason, its just i only have this one thing to configure and i would like to get ubuntu booted right now,
[20:57] <brobostigon> iwouldlook in /boot , the kernel images are there.
[20:58] <Azelphur> anyone know how to debug 100% CPU frozen X? :)
[20:59] <brobostigon> the_evil_gungur: grub2 is uses as standerd, why didnt you just let uit use the supproted and standerd?
[20:59] <the_evil_gungur> brobostigon: ok ill try that, although /vmlinuz exists on /dev/sda1 as a symlink to the actuall image
[20:59] <the_evil_gungur> brobostigon: i did, then i installed another linux which installed lilo and didnt detect my ubuntu
[21:00] <brobostigon> the_evil_gungur: it will be in the mountpoint that is connected to that device in /dev. not the device in /dev directly.
[21:01] <brobostigon> for  grub this would be easy, sudo update-grub, and it mostly configures itself.
[21:03] <the_evil_gungur> brobostigon: > mountpoint that is connected to that device    what you mean? the ubuntu kernel image i want is /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-24-generic on partition 1 of /dev/sda
[21:05] <brobostigon> the_evil_gungur: i am not sure, i dont think i have enough knowlege,
[21:06]  * the_evil_gungur pats brobostigon its ok. il try installing grub i guess
[21:12] <dmdrummond> the_evil_gungur: ensure you run lilo after changing lilo.conf
[21:16] <the_evil_gungur> dmdrummond: right thanks
[21:23] <tta> what are the parameters of "your freedom" to use a usb modem freely?please
[21:23] <brobostigon> tta: i  dont see any logic in that question, sorry.
[21:29] <dmdrummond> tta: What USB modem?
[21:30] <dmdrummond> the_evil_gungur: Have you sorted it?
[21:30] <tta> huawei(orange)
[21:31] <brobostigon> tta: what does lsusb say?
[21:31] <dmdrummond> tta: 3g?
[21:31] <tta> what?
[21:31]  * AlanBell is using a huawei on orange dongle right now
[21:31]  * AlanBell is on a train
[21:31] <tta> yes 3g
[21:31] <brobostigon> inside at terminal, type in lsusb, and press enter.
[21:32] <dmdrummond> tta: AlanBell seems to be the man to talk to
[21:32] <AlanBell> Bus 001 Device 005: ID 0af0:6971 Option Globetrotter HSDPA Modem
[21:32] <AlanBell> ^^ tta you will see a line just like that in lsusb
[21:33] <AlanBell> on 10.10 I just plug it in and go through the menu selecting UK then Orange Contract
[21:34] <AlanBell> if a menu does not pop up then in the netwokr manager indicator add a new mobile broadband connection
[21:35] <tta> AlanBell:uk will work? iam in cameroon
[21:36] <tta> AlanBell:the bus 001 ... that you gave me where will i see that? pls i am a beginner
[21:37] <AlanBell> tta ah, well in that case you might need to select cameroon
[21:37] <tta> where
[21:37] <AlanBell> if you type lsusb in a terminal you see that
[21:38] <the_evil_gungur> dmdrummond: hey, well I just configured and installed grub, rebooting...
[21:38] <tta> noo iam already in lsusb but i dont see that options:(
[21:39] <AlanBell> type this in a terminal
[21:39] <AlanBell> sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[21:39] <AlanBell> lsusb|pastebinit
[21:40] <AlanBell> that will give you a URL, paste that here so we can see it
[21:40] <AlanBell> with the modem plugged in of course
[21:40] <brobostigon> AlanBell: should we look for tty modem deivces in /dev ?
[21:41] <AlanBell> brobostigon: no, it will be hso0 or something
[21:41] <AlanBell> option devices are more like network cards than modems
[21:41] <AlanBell> err, actually is it option or huawei?
[21:42] <brobostigon> AlanBell: ah, most 3g usb deivces i have came across, show as tty* in /dev, so this one doesnt?
[21:42] <tta> yes the modem is plugged it's the one that i am using so to get internet connection
[21:42] <AlanBell> not sure now
[21:42] <AlanBell> depensds what it is
[21:42] <AlanBell> tta err, you are connected to the internet with it?
[21:43] <AlanBell> lds
[21:43] <tta> ecxuse me i am francophone i want to perform my english
[21:43] <AlanBell> what is your question again?
[21:44]  * AlanBell has little signal
[21:44] <the_evil_gungur> dmdrummond: I got a black screen after trying to boot ubuntu... does do I need to set any other options for the kernel in menu.conf , like an initrd or something?
[21:44] <tta> i want to use that modem without pay the credit.is it possible on linux?
[21:45] <AlanBell> no.
[21:45] <tta> on windows?
[21:50] <dmdrummond> tta: so by using it "freely" you mean free as in beer?  As in without payment?
[21:52] <tta> yes
[21:52] <the_evil_gungur> can someone help me configure grub to boot ubuntu?
[21:55] <the_evil_gungur> I have this in menu.conf, in the ubuntu part:  kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1 ro vga=773 initrd=/initrd.img
[21:56] <the_evil_gungur> could I have a look at someones menu.lst ?
[21:58] <dmdrummond> tta: I wouldn't have a clue, not really something that would (should) be discussed here
[21:59] <dmdrummond> the_evil_gungur: what is the other distro you are using? Slackware?  What version of grub have you installed?  What filesystem is /boot on?
[22:00] <tta> #ubuntu-offtopic...
[22:00] <mgdm> tta: that subject is off topic for this entire network.
[22:01] <tta> mailto:aubrymla@gmail.com...
[22:02] <AlanBell> tta stop it
[22:04] <tta> i am sorry i just wanted a help:(
[22:05] <mgdm> tta: As I said, you will not get it on this network
[22:05] <dmdrummond> the_evil_gungur: what is the other distro you are using? Slackware?  What version of grub have you installed?  What filesystem is /boot on?
[22:07] <the_evil_gungur> dmdrummond: yes, version 0.97, filesystem is ext4
[22:09] <dmdrummond> the_evil_gungur: Grub 0.97 afaik doesn't support booting from ext4
[22:09] <the_evil_gungur> dmdrummond: it boots slackware fine, which is also on ext4
[22:11] <the_evil_gungur> dmdrummond: brb, rebooting
[22:11] <ali1234> nobody told him to set up his own picocell? i am disappoint
[22:13] <mgdm> ali1234: No. Because that would still be off topic for the network. ;)
[22:14] <ali1234> http://openbts.sourceforge.net/ is off topic?
[22:15] <mgdm> No, but that's not what he was meaning
[22:15] <ali1234> i know but technically it does what he asked for
[22:15] <ali1234> or it could
[22:16] <mgdm> if you're being extremely obtuse
[22:16] <ali1234> yes :)
[22:16] <exobuzz> so i missed the live ubuntu uk broadcast ? shit
[22:16] <exobuzz> podcast i mean
[22:16] <dmdrummond> ali1234: he clearly wanted free access to the Orange network
[22:17] <exobuzz> new site looks nice
[22:18] <andylockran> howdy all
[22:24] <the_evil_gungur> dmdrummond: please help
[22:26] <dmdrummond> are you sure your slackware is ext4?
[22:26] <the_evil_gungur> dmdrummond: yeah,
[22:27] <dmdrummond> it's been a while since I used slackware.  Does it set up a seperate /boot partition?
[22:27] <dmdrummond> *separate
[22:28] <nucc1> i'm trying to remember a business i heard of recently that will ship gizmos from the US to a UK address for a fee...
[22:29] <nucc1> i saw it on Ars Technica
[22:31] <the_evil_gungur> dmdrummond: sorry, internet connection dropped,
[22:32] <the_evil_gungur> my menu.lst looks like this atm
[22:32] <the_evil_gungur> title Ubuntu on (/dev/sda1);  root (hd0,0);  kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-24-generic root=/dev/sda1 ro vga=773
[22:32] <the_evil_gungur> initrd (hd0,0)/boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-24-generic
[22:33] <the_evil_gungur> dmdrummond: ?
[22:33] <dmdrummond> recent ubuntu versions use Grub 2, Grub 0.97 was released in 2005.  Ext4 was introduced to the kernel in 2006.  Hence my thinking Grub 0.97 doesn't support it.
[22:33] <brobostigon> !grub2
[22:33] <lubotu3`> GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[22:33] <dmdrummond> !ext4
[22:33] <the_evil_gungur> dmdrummond: i formatted my slack partition as ext4, and it says ext4 in fstab
[22:36] <dmdrummond> the_evil_gungur: the format of the config files changed drastically from grub 1 to grub 2, so mine won't help.
[22:37] <dmdrummond> the_evil_gungur: do you have a livecd?  it should be able to boot the distro on the hard disk, then run grub-install to get ubuntu's grub 2 installed
[22:38] <the_evil_gungur> dmdrummond: no,  i dont have any cds either, anyway i cba anymore,
[22:40] <dmdrummond> ah well.  Moral of the story is never install lilo. :-)
[22:44] <hamitron> what is wrong with lilo? ;/
[22:46] <ali1234> what *isn't* wrong with lilo?
[22:46] <shauno> I always had a softspot for using a braindead mbr.  initrd's ruined that tho
[22:48] <hamitron> lilo sounds like fifo, grub sounds like a worm... I know which I would rather have
[22:48] <hamitron> ;)
[22:49] <hamitron> I always prefered the look of lilo too
[22:50] <hamitron> grub still confuses me too
[22:50] <hamitron> talking of which...
[22:50] <nucc1> grub sounds like food
[22:51] <hamitron> how are you suppose to move the root partition, officially
[22:51] <hamitron> supposed*
[22:51] <hamitron> last time I moved the files, updated fstab, and grub
[22:52] <hamitron> then a kernel update screwed it
[22:59] <hamitron> hmm, need food, brb :)
[23:08] <brobostigon> nos da everyone, sleep well.
[23:09] <shauno> here's an odd one.  for ports (eg, poewrpc), where is apt meant to be pointed?  I can find the release/isos, but ppc packages don't show up in pool
[23:10] <shauno> ah nm, founds ports.u.c, it's just not on my local mirror
[23:32] <the_evil_gungur> !grub2
[23:32] <lubotu3`> GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[23:37] <the_evil_gungur> could someone help me set up grub2 from command line?
[23:43] <andylockran> howdy all
[23:46]  * popey hugs dsas
[23:46] <dsas> :)
[23:50] <BigRedS> the_evil_gungur: do you have any specific questions?
[23:53] <the_evil_gungur> BigRedS: well, no, but im not sure what to do,  ive read through the grub docs,