[00:00] 96 or 173? [00:00] I'd recommend the 173 over the 96, but that's me [00:00] I think it also depends what card you got [00:00] all mine are old ;) [00:00] is have geforce 8400 [00:00] i * have [00:00] hamitron: yeah its because she's on a 8400 [00:00] yeah :) [00:01] if you get a black screen, try ctrl-alt-f7 instead of livecd [00:01] ok [00:01] thank you [00:01] better to move back 1 at a time I'd guess [00:01] i am very grateful really really truely [00:02] hamitron: if I recall the 8400 worked best on the 173 [00:02] not sure what it would be like under 96 [00:02] wait [00:02] put the brakes on! [00:02] ? [00:02] the recommended one is still installed and is currently active [00:02] yeah [00:03] that's a lie [00:03] you deleted xorg.conf [00:03] safiyyah: yeah, but xorg isn't configured to use it :) [00:03] installer is just confused [00:03] [Matthew Garrett] Further adventures in mobile Linux - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/134457.html [00:03] what he said :P [00:03] okay okay.... full speed ahead again [00:04] ali1234: hmm, should safiyyah remove the current one first and then activate 173? [00:04] i dunno [00:05] it used to remove the old ones automatically [00:05] am installing the new one [00:05] 173 [00:05] the new old one rather [00:06] okay brb restarting [00:06] make sure you have the remove xorg written down [00:08] any joy? [00:08] yes [00:08] am back [00:08] right now i take it it's time to use popey's disk because the resolution is off by a million [00:08] popey's xorg.conf i mean [00:08] probably [00:08] okay [00:09] is it actually using the nvidia driver? [00:09] yep [00:09] check /var/log/Xorg.0.log [00:09] okay [00:10] * HazRPG apologies to safiyyah [00:10] seems like you solved the problem to me [00:10] [ 10.939] (II) Loading extension DRI2 [00:10] [ 10.939] (II) LoadModule: "nvidia" [00:10] [ 10.939] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/extra-modules/nvidia_drv.so [00:10] [ 10.985] (II) Module nvidia: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation" [00:10] [ 10.985] compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 [00:10] [ 10.985] Module class: X.Org Video Driver [00:10] [ 10.990] (II) NVIDIA dlloader X Driver 173.14.28 Wed Sep 29 09:55:18 PDT 2010 [00:10] [ 11.001] (II) NVIDIA Unified Driver for all Supported NVIDIA GPUs [00:10] [ 11.001] (++) using VT number 7 [00:10] great [00:10] [ 11.004] (II) Loading sub module "fb" [00:10] [ 11.004] (II) LoadModule: "fb" [00:10] also, [00:10] oh damn [00:10] sorry i meant to paste bin [00:11] so yeah, popey's xorg.conf now [00:11] and it should be all good [00:11] okay just gonna do that now [00:12] ali1234: hmm, yeah I guess [00:12] okay rebooting [00:13] hi [00:13] ali1234: but could have saved her the hassle if I'd asked which card she was using from the get-go [00:13] is there going to be a Gbuntu when unity is default? [00:13] during the installation of ubuntu 10.10 on my laptop when i choosed the language and clicked on "install" the screen displayed a message contening "Ubi-language failed with exit code 2. further information maybe found in/var/log/syslog. please what does that means and what do i have to do? [00:14] what language did you choose? [00:14] * hamitron doesn't know if he dare say "try English" [00:14] safiyyah: \o [00:14] guessing everything is working good? [00:15] yes it did!!!!!!!!!!! [00:15] thank you all soooooo much [00:15] so in future stick to version 173 [00:15] and that is what was different this time [00:16] safiyyah: yeah, sticking with 173 will probably be your best bet [00:16] okay am writing some notes for myself [00:16] there is something i didnt get [00:16] how organised ;) [00:17] hamitron: I do the same ;) [00:17] :| [00:17] i have to write it because, next time i face this will be in my next upgrade [00:17] hamitron: helps with understanding new stuff [00:17] and i wont remember most of what happened today [00:17] notes help [00:17] french [00:17] thats why i was able to relay a lot of what happened before when popey helped me [00:17] tta: have you tried asking on #ubuntu-fr? [00:18] tta: also have you verfied the install CD has no errors? [00:18] no errors [00:18] sorry you said geforcee 8400 had driver issues right? [00:18] could be language specific, i have never seen anything like this, but then i have never picked french... [00:19] safiyyah: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=158418 [00:19] (nobody answered that post) [00:20] bug 660596 [00:20] Launchpad bug 660596 in nvidia-graphics-drivers (Ubuntu) "Black screen after installing Nvidia drivers on 10.10" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/660596 [00:20] safiyyah: Yeah, the 8400 series has been known to have issues. [00:22] its mainly nvidia adding support for new cards in the driver pack, but not checking properly for support issues with older cards [00:23] shame it isn't still one driver for all :/ [00:23] hamitron: it is, that's the main reason [00:23] okay i have one other question [00:24] I think the current windows version is a 200MB download >_< [00:24] * hamitron point HazRPG to his Geforce 1+2 and TNT cards [00:24] :( [00:24] i dont get why when working off the live disk we use ~/target [00:24] I wish they'd just make drivers on a per-series-basis [00:24] i know we made the target directory first [00:24] TNT is like 15 years old [00:25] and still works fine ;/ [00:25] !mount [00:25] mount is used to attach devices to directories. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount [00:25] tl;dr you need to make a directory where to mount a disk [00:25] my 1980s motorbike still works, why shouldn't my graphics card that is newer? ;) [00:26] ali1234: done [00:26] your 1980s graphics card still work perfectly fine with 1980s software [00:26] safiyyah: ali1234 can probably explain this better, but when your on the LiveCD you need to mount the partition you want to work with so that you can gain access to it, essentially you can name the directory anything you like (not necessarily target) [00:26] so the directory is like a nickname? [00:26] safiyyah: I guess you could say that [00:27] technical name is "mount point" [00:27] safiyyah: your use to windows right? [00:27] same thing [00:27] safiyyah: think of the "target" as basically making a "C:\" or "D:\" drive [00:27] ali1234: depends on your view of "current" software I suppose, but it is this moving target that puts some devs off targeting linux :/ [00:27] ali1234, can you retype the command you gave me to delete xorg.conf ... sorry i was on live CD so it isnt in my xchat history [00:27] HazRPG, I have been purely ubuntu for 4 years [00:27] am just not as technical as u guys [00:28] i just want to use it and set it up [00:28] end of [00:28] I understand that :) [00:28] I was just trying to explain it in something you might be familiar with though [00:28] safiyyah: rm? [00:29] yes but the whole directory [00:29] rm ~target what was it [00:29] well you know how it normally goes in /etc/X11/xorg.conf [00:29] when / is mounted on ~/target [00:30] it becomes ~/target/etc/X11/xorg.conf [00:30] everything normally in / would be in ~/target [00:30] brb, chip butty and coffee time [00:30] guessing my explanation was bad then :( [00:32] okay [00:33] why did we do sudo apt-get install at the beginning? [00:33] am so sorry if am annoying [00:33] dunno, i wasn't there [00:33] what did you install? [00:33] pastebinit? [00:33] lol check in the room popey opened [00:33] i closed it [00:33] http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/FixingBorkedXFromLiveCD [00:33] thats like step 2 [00:34] pastebinit is a command line tool to copy text files onto pastebin.com [00:34] !pastebinit [00:34] pastebinit is the command-line equivalent of !pastebin - Command output, or other text can be redirected to pastebinit, which then reports an URL containing the output - To use pastebinit, install the « pastebinit » package from a package manager - Simple usage: command | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com [00:36] safiyyah: from what I can see from your paste, you were meant to put pastebinit [00:36] but you were pasting stuff into paste.ubuntu.com manually :P [00:37] during the installation of ubuntu 10.10 on my laptop when i choosed the language and clicked on "install" the screen displayed a message contening "Ubi-language failed with exit code 2. further information maybe found in/var/log/syslog. please what does that means and what do i have to do? [00:38] lol [00:39] it rejected me so i manually paste binned [00:39] ah [00:39] tta: have you tried using English? [00:40] tta: I recall ali1234 asking if you checked the CD for errors, you said you there was no errors. Did you use the CD's in-built checker to get that result? Or how did you check it? [00:41] i tryed english and i burned the cd at the speed of 4x [00:41] I'd do as haz/ali said then [00:42] tta: When you load the CD there are several options, one of them is to check that the CD was burnt properly - sometimes even if the software you used to burn it says it was successful, doesn't mean that it actually was. [00:44] okay [00:44] tta: the option says "Check disc for defects" [00:44] Guys - bit of a longshot question... any of you guys sync ur iPods using anything other than WINE+iTunes ? [00:44] you can be sure that the sofware was good; my problem is to know how i can do to resolve that problem [00:44] ali1234, ctrl-alt-f7 would have returned me back to this screen [00:45] actually nevermind [00:45] i will just note ctrl-alt-f1 [00:45] kewxedge_: I don't personally own an iPod, but I know someone who uses Rhythmbox to sync their iPods [00:45] and/or succesfully got Airport Express working? :) [00:45] as that was supposed to be an alternative to live disk [00:45] ctrl-alt-f1 switches to a terminal ctrl alt-f7 switches back to graphics mode [00:45] thanks HazRPG thats what Ive just been setting up :) It looks alright actually - quite iTunes like as well [00:46] so no1 knows why i was supposed to do sudo apt-get install pastebin [00:46] ? [00:47] kewxedge_: I really like Rythmbox, another one you can try if you want is "Amarok" [00:47] Amarok, noted *adds to download queue* [00:47] kewxedge_: which has a lot more features [00:47] is there one that is good for a large collection? [00:48] over a network [00:48] ;) [00:48] kewxedge_: if you check the ubuntu software centre, there's a screenshot available for Amarok [00:48] safiyyah: it installs pastebinit [00:48] say 70,000 songs [00:48] kewxedge_: not sure about Airport Express [00:48] yeh just looked it up, HazRPG [00:49] kewxedge_: That's the wireless card iirc right? [00:49] airport express is an annoying one - google and ubuntuforums tell me that pulse should work fine - but it was a bit dodgy for me and crashed the AE :/ lol [00:49] 00:44:42 < kewxedge_> Guys - bit of a longshot question... any of you guys sync ur iPods using anything other than WINE+iTunes ? [00:49] Yes! [00:49] I use a Mac, OSX and iTunes :D [00:49] tta: I'm having a look into your problem [00:50] * hamitron spanks popey teh traitor [00:50] I use windows and iTunes [00:50] yes poppey [00:50] Seeker`, so did I until this weekend lol p;) [00:50] I use non traitor OS with non traitor hardware [00:50] did you hear rockbox is making it's way to android? :D [00:50] ali1234, thanx [00:51] Azelphur: hows that binary nvidia driver you're using there.. traitor :p [00:51] nothing wrong with nvidia ;/ [00:51] not much right either, but nvm [00:51] :) [00:51] great, it's not that much of a traitor when there's no viable alternative :D [00:51] exactly Azelphur [00:51] :D [00:51] There is no viable alternative to iPad IMNSHO [00:51] except over nine thousand android tablets [00:52] which _all_ suck [00:52] _all_ [00:52] without exception [00:52] lies [00:52] not all [00:52] they are either [00:52] a) too small [00:52] b) too short battery life [00:52] ali1234, ctr-alt-F1 then I would have had to key in start x or xinit? [00:52] c) old version of android [00:52] d) have no google marketplace [00:52] and so on [00:52] safiyyah: there are many ways to run X [00:52] just "X" will do it if you are root [00:52] c and d can normally be undone [00:53] hamitron: shouldn't have to [00:53] very true [00:53] :) [00:53] you won't see any programs, just a grey background and a small X in the middle [00:53] but I agree [00:53] anyway, bed :) [00:53] popey: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/10-2-3G-ePad-Android-2-1-1080p-WiFi-GPS-MID-Tablet-PC-/290537605420?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item43a564092c#ht_5804wt_1020 :D [00:53] nn [00:53] do I win? [00:53] nn popey [00:53] "win" [00:53] broken link for me :) [00:53] 3.2k mAh battery, android 2.1 and seems like a decent size [00:53] took me all of 20 seconds to find :P [00:54] that is hideous [00:54] 1024x600 resolution on the screen too [00:54] but isn;t the ePAD rubbish? [00:54] seriously, its awful [00:54] my cars fuel tank is twice the size (but I only get 2mpg) [00:54] I thought it looks quite nice, what's wrong with it? o.O [00:54] ethernet port, on a tablet, _really_? [00:54] * hamitron wants ethernet more than wifi [00:54] ali1234, if you are root how do you go back to being a user at the terminal? [00:55] no 3g [00:55] safiyyah: "exit" [00:55] 4 hours battery [00:55] popey: yes 3g? o.O [00:55] so fails at b) [00:55] no [00:55] tta: Might be worth asking in #ubuntu-fr like ali1234 said, since I can't find that problem [00:55] 3g is a usb dongle [00:55] oh fail :( [00:55] half the ebay description is probably lies anyawy [00:55] CTRL+d [00:55] no, you do not win [00:55] stereocaulon:i pasted it in #ubuntu-fr [00:55] it's probably even worse than that [00:55] ali1234, that didnt work [00:55] am still root [00:55] sure it did [00:55] i did su root [00:55] anyway, we'll do this again some time [00:56] :) [00:56] nn [00:56] * Azelphur cries [00:56] lol [00:56] popey are u saving the doc ? [00:56] he will be researching this all night now Azelphur ;) [00:56] so he can beat you [00:56] tta: There shouldn't be any problems if the disc is fine though. [00:57] the disc is fine [00:57] wtf is a TF card? [00:57] transflash [00:57] ali1234, definitely am still root [00:57] lol [00:57] probably [00:57] safiyyah: type it again then [00:57] tta: Can you work me through the process before that problem happens please :). [00:57] tta: step by step, what happens [00:58] going to try the same thing on my spare machine [00:59] ali1234, thank you! [00:59] sorry i have eaten 3 apples and half a melon [00:59] and several pieces of spinach flan [00:59] since this mvidia drama [00:59] and now you need to relieve yourself? ;/ [00:59] i dont want another episode so.... i am making notes to avoid the headache... or help me understand the headache next time [01:00] no now am thinking..... my terminal say safiyyah@Pink-Geranium:$ [01:00] why did i name it pink-geranium [01:00] and i tried changing hostname and got nothing [01:00] lol [01:01] i downloaded the software on http://ubuntu.com/netbook/get ubuntu/download, i burned it with "nero" at 4x for the speed and i tried to install it and the problem occurs [01:01] hostname doesn't permanently change it [01:01] hamitron, i ate so now am wide awake lol [01:01] :D [01:01] ali1234, so what does one do? [01:01] safiyyah: that's easy to change [01:01] gksudo gedit /etc/hostname [01:01] ... [01:01] was just about to say that [01:01] :P [01:01] then reboot [01:02] (you can restart some service but i can't remember which one) [01:02] would be not have to change /etc/hosts ? [01:02] maybe [01:04] mine only have localhost in [01:04] has* [01:05] so I'd say just /etc/hostname [01:05] so is there a website with commandline arguements for ubuntu? [01:06] google? [01:06] ;) [01:06] hamitron: I had to change both /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts on my sister's machine the other day [01:07] safiyyah: just general command line tools? [01:07] http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/browse [01:07] I like the book Linux In A Nutshell [01:08] you can bet you can't always get online when you need the commandline ;) [01:08] hamitron, that is like super true [01:08] but tbh, these days you often don't need the commandline [01:09] "how to get online when computer is broke" is the most useful skill you can learn [01:09] yeh :) [01:09] I like the O'Reilly Pocket Reference books [01:10] on ubuntu "sudo dhclient" is usually enough [01:10] unless you use wireless, then it's time to go find a network cable [01:10] lol ali1234 [01:11] lol [01:11] and an ethernet port (note this down Azelphur) [01:11] o.O [01:11] useful arguement against the iPad ;) [01:11] you need an ethernet port sometimes [01:11] safiyyah: I'd recommend this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Linux-Pocket-Guide-Essential-Commands/dp/0596006284/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1298941732&sr=8-1 [01:12] if you're trying to hack some tablet device you need serial [01:12] hamitron, u had to pick an expensive book [01:12] lol [01:12] not ethernet, not usb... rs232 serial [01:12] 20 quid? [01:13] the reason for this is you can easily write to serial port with only machine code [01:13] but ethernet normally works ;) [01:13] not if you are porting linux [01:14] what has that got to do with it? ;) [01:14] well ipad doesn't run linux [01:14] oh [01:14] :) [01:14] so true [01:14] why buy one unless you intend to port it? [01:14] safiyyah: its basically a small reference book with all (if not most) linux commands [01:14] it is a tough choice [01:15] iPad is very expensive to brick :/ [01:15] brick is not problem [01:15] after you discover serial, next look for jtag [01:15] fry ;/ [01:15] thank you [01:16] so to ask... do each of you guys own linux books? [01:16] i don't own any linux books [01:16] rofl [01:16] what just google? [01:16] I have 8 [01:16] i just read the manual pages [01:16] hamitron, how old are you? [01:16] 28 [01:17] god we are old [01:17] we like books [01:17] ur my age mate btw [01:17] haha [01:17] that makes me feel better because i prefer a book [01:17] safiyyah: I've got 3 [01:17] to manual pages for the most part [01:17] lol [01:17] tbh, manual pages are better [01:17] or --help [01:17] i'll borrow it from the library first [01:17] if that doesn't work i get the source and read that [01:17] sometimes --help serves to confuse me further [01:18] the source? [01:18] to me, it is nicer to read a book on a train, than a man page [01:18] or on the toilet [01:18] ;) [01:18] safiyyah: ali can code, so he can read the source code that made the command [01:19] safiyyah: and you can see, line by line, what its doing [01:19] and reading a book is sort of more human like, not just a reference [01:19] if there's no code, there's always objdump -d [01:19] hamitron i think we r more alike on that [01:20] ali what do you do for a living? [01:20] oh hamitron.... we r alike but i dont read anything in the loo [01:20] lol [01:20] i get in and get out [01:20] anything involving computers [01:20] no hanging about there [01:20] I didn't dare ask... ;) [01:20] lol [01:20] i noticed the loo comment afterwards lol [01:21] and i thought "hell no.... not me" [01:21] did u go to uni doing computers? [01:21] yes [01:21] geek! [01:21] ;) [01:21] software engineering? [01:21] computer science. got a 3rd [01:22]