nixternalsimmah down now00:06
ScottKnixternal: Quote of the day: "<sabdfl> Ubuntu service revenue rightfully belongs with Canonical..."00:10
ScottKMakes it pretty clear the rest of us are just here for the fun of it.00:10
nixternalyeah, sabdfl has lost his fucking mind00:10
nixternalarch linux could always use some developers, but you can't propose any patches :p00:11
nixternalbut ScottK at the same time, you have to remember that revenue pays for community people to get to a UDS00:12
ScottKnixternal: Sure, but I'm giving up a week of consulting revenue to go.  I think I'm making a bigger sacrifice.00:13
nixternalyou are, but that's on you. you don't see me going to UDS anymore00:14
ScottKWell I didn't apply for this one yet.00:15
nixternali won't even waste my time. the last 2 i applied for i got turned down00:15
apacheloggerthere is meego00:16
apacheloggera) you get cute stuff00:16
nixternalhaha, meego...i just spit all over the place00:16
apacheloggerb) notmark uses it00:16
apacheloggerc) intel uses it00:16
apacheloggerd) work for intel and beat up keith for shitty drivers00:16
ScottKCan't work for Intel.  Don't live in Portland or Texas.00:17
nixternali use kubuntu, because i know you all are doing an awesome job. mobile devices, it is only android for me, the rest is useless00:17
nixternali also use arch, fedora, and suse00:17
nixternalbut i am thinking my next laptop will probably be a mac00:18
apacheloggernixternal: wait for kubuntu mobile00:18
apacheloggerPhonon is working on an own OS00:18
nixternalright, and what will kubuntu mobile run on? nothing i currently own right00:19
apacheloggerand soon declaring war on DVDs I hear00:19
apacheloggernixternal: actually, with some tweaking this can be made happen00:19
ScottKnixternal: n900 is the first, but not last, target.00:19
apacheloggerall them android phones run the same shitty board type00:19
nixternalright, the n900, is that thing even relevant?00:19
apacheloggerwhich happens to be the same the n900 is using00:20
nixternalhow much are they?00:20
nixternalhave you guys seen ubuntu run on an android phone? i worked on a rom for the droid eris, it sucks00:20
apacheloggerwe are not talking about ubuntu00:21
nixternalright, and kde is that much faster right?00:21
nixternaldebian with lxde wasn't bad, but it wasn't good either00:22
apacheloggerhow much do you know about the hardware of those devices? :P00:22
claydohwhy doesn't anyone do a kde type of interface for android, more along the lines of touchwiz rather than an entires OS?00:22
apacheloggerKDE got one thing ubuntu does not have00:22
apacheloggerthe supreme overlord master emperator general lord of phonon00:22
nixternalhere is a question, and the only reason i ask is because i haven't been around....why would ubuntu/kubuntu want to target mobile devices when there is already a clear and proven leader from the linux side there?00:22
apacheloggerclaydoh: cause Qt only got available on android :P00:23
apacheloggeractually there is already talk going on about porting kdelibs00:23
nixternalapachelogger: i know enough on the hardware to be dangerous. i am cooking roms for droid phones as we speak :)00:23
apacheloggerbut it is a long shot from that to KDE apps on android00:23
claydohnixternal: thats sort of my next question :)00:23
apacheloggeras android cannot do regular qwidgets to my knowledge00:23
apacheloggernixternal: my mom can do a rom :P00:23
nixternalandroid has its own widgets, what would make qwidgets better?00:23
claydohno, not apps just the look n feel, more or less00:23
nixternalapachelogger: patches to android as well if that counts for anything, just the browser so far00:24
apacheloggerwhat all those ubuntus-for-you-name-it-phone ports have in common is lack of the most vital piece of software00:24
apacheloggernamely the graphics driver00:24
apacheloggeror rather the underlying libraries to make that thing faster00:24
nixternalif qt can make android better, then i am all for it, but at this point in time, i don't see how you could make the android interface any better...though qt could have their own stuff like htc does with the sense00:25
apacheloggerclearly you are biased :P00:25
nixternalapachelogger: tegra2 has good graphics :)00:25
* claydoh has no clue on these thing as he has no phone, and the mrs will not let him play with hers - he would probably "fix" too many things00:25
apacheloggerdid I mention that Phonon supports tegra200:26
apacheloggerdid I mention that qtmm does not00:26
claydohnixternal: exzctly a kde or qt like layer like sense or touchwiz00:26
claydohok, is kde 4.6.1 expected for alpha3?00:27
nixternaltime to eat, back in a few00:27
* apachelogger thinks doing apps in Qt makes more sense than that00:27
apacheloggerespecially since you would render all widgets useless00:28
ScottKclaydoh: I don't think so.  I think right after.00:31
claydohso not much new for a3, outside of filesharing, and printer config, anf language selector kcm?00:34
* apachelogger thinks that is plenty00:35
ScottKCompiles on armel.00:35
ScottKNot clear if it works though.00:35
apacheloggerScottK: are you attending the meeting tomorrow to get gcc stuff moving?00:35
ScottKapachelogger: I'm planning on attending the Ubuntu platform team meeting and bringing it up there.00:35
apacheloggerI shall look at the n900 kernel tomorrow00:36
* apachelogger got a project management class from 8 to 13 -.-00:36
ScottKIt would be nice to get gcc fixed before we upload
apacheloggermost definitely00:36
ScottKapachelogger: What bug is it we're after getting fixed?00:39
apacheloggerkubotu: google gcc launchpad qt unity segfault00:39
kubotuResults for gcc launchpad qt unity segfault: 1. [Bug 705689] Re: unity-2d-launcher crashes with segfault error on ...: http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg2734783.html | 2. [Bug 705689] Re: QT applications crash with segfault error on ...: http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg2740986.html00:39
kubotu3. [ubuntu] "Segmentation fault" When install Nokia QT - Ubuntu Forums: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=160952600:39
ubottuLaunchpad bug 705689 in Linaro GCC 4.5 "Qt applications crash with segfault error on armel when Qt is built with gcc 4.5 on natty" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/70568900:39
apacheloggerthat one ^^00:39
apacheloggerI love how related stuff always comes up first in search results :D00:39
apacheloggerstupid bug -.-00:40
ScottKapachelogger: Maybe we could do some magic in pkg-kde-tools to force gcc 4.4 on armel until this is fixed for all KDE packages?00:42
ScottKGotta run.  00:42
apacheloggerphonon would require manual fix at least00:43
apacheloggerI do not think we are using pkg-kde-tools there00:43
apacheloggerScottK: worth considering though00:43
apacheloggerqca might need a manual fix too00:44
apacheloggerand strigi00:44
apacheloggerthat should get us to a working plasma-mobiel it would seem from ldd00:44
c2tarunCan anyone help me with this error: E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/private-ppa.launchpad.net_kubuntu-ninjas_ppa_ubuntu_dists_natty_main_source_Sources - open (2: No such file or directory)     I got this when installing build-dependencies for attica.02:47
c2tarunCan anyone please help me with this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/574265/03:17
claydohc2tarun: do you have libqt4-qmake installed? No expert here, but you may be missing that package03:27
c2tarunclaydoh: it is installed but not in build-depends of the package i'll add it there :)03:27
c2tarunclaydoh: you sure its libqt4-qmake or qt4-qmake?03:29
claydohmy memory, bad as it is, vaguely remembers something similar from long ago.....03:30
claydohiirc qt4-qmake, unless it is using qt303:30
c2tarunI looked on apt-cache search and it returned qt4-qmake. The problem is I installed it on my system and added it to build-depends of control file, still I am getting same erorr03:31
claydohhmm may have to point it to wherever qmake is, 03:36
claydohhmmm pkg-kde-tools may have the helper scripts that , um, help, in finding kde/qt things iirc03:37
c2tarunclaydoh: yup and I just checked FindQt4.cmake file is there, so either something wrong with FindQt4.cmake file or I am not able to understand the prob.03:37
c2tarunclaydoh: I think the tool about which you are talking is apt-cache search?03:38
claydohc2tarun: dunno, I *think* I needed pkg-kde-tools last time I set up building kmymoney, it couldn't find qmake iirc03:38
c2tarunclaydoh: hmm...03:38
claydohpkg-kde-tools have helper scripts/snippets specific 03:39
claydohfor kde03:39
claydohb ut again I really don't have a complete clue :)03:40
c2tarunclaydoh: this error is due to something else or what? I tried another package and I got exactly same error :/03:43
claydohsomething is missing, but what I cann ot say :/ something qt related, obviously. did you install pkg-kde-tools?03:45
c2tarunclaydoh: yup03:46
claydohso all the experts and professionals must be asleep :/03:48
c2tarunmay be :P03:48
claydohc2tarun: it has to be something simple03:48
c2tarunclaydoh: I also think so, I asked on #ubuntu-motu as well, experts seems to be sleeping there as well :(03:49
claydohwhat you building?03:49
cpatrick08 /msg NickServ identify Bama0803:50
claydohnhandler: that some soper sekrit code?03:50
nhandlerclaydoh: lol, nope. Just me messing up an irssi command ;)03:50
claydohthats why I stick to quassel core pointy clicky03:51
DarkwingDuckYeah, but then you can't do the run ssh server and always on and always accress03:59
claydohDarkwingDuck: i do run ssh server, and a quassel core on my desktop, quassel client on my laptop04:00
claydohso I always have a backlog to read04:01
claydohc2tarun: soeey i have no answer for your problem, I know one of the fine devs will have it tho04:02
* claydoh sleeps04:03
c2tarunclaydoh:  sure no prob :) thanks for helping04:06
DarkwingDuckc2tarun: what are you trying to do?04:07
c2tarunDarkwingDuck: building pckage attica04:08
DarkwingDuckYou're trying to build it to a deb?04:08
c2tarunDarkwingDuck: I looked on this page https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging there was a package named attica I thought to build it and upload it to ppa04:09
DarkwingDuckI'm still in baby mode for packaging...04:11
c2tarunDarkwingDuck: no prob :) well wait for an expert04:12
* c2tarun experts ping04:12
DarkwingDucksorry c2tarun 04:12
c2tarunDarkwingDuck: why sorry, I am a noob as well, just packed only few times :) dont worry04:13
DarkwingDuckWell, i've been around long enough that I should know by now.04:17
c2tarunDarkwingDuck: do you have a natty chroot?04:18
DarkwingDuckNot here I don't.04:18
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c2tarunneed help with this problem http://paste.ubuntu.com/574265/ 05:17
shadeslayerc2tarun:   Qt qmake not found!06:45
shadeslayerc2tarun: which package?06:45
shadeslayerc2tarun: and you need to add qt4-qmake as a build depends06:45
c2tarunshadeslayer: all tried , package is attica06:47
shadeslayerc2tarun: try installing libqt4-dev 06:47
shadeslayerand then try again06:47
c2tarunshadeslayer: its already installed.06:48
shadeslayerc2tarun: complete build log please then06:48
shadeslayerand what are you trying to do exactly06:48
c2tarunI was trying to build attica on natty machine, I got it from this page https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging06:49
c2tarunshadeslayer: here is the full build log http://paste.ubuntu.com/574316/06:50
shadeslayerc2tarun: i see 0.2.80 is already the latest release and in natty06:53
c2tarunshadeslayer: actually I pulled it from natty archive only, and it failed to build on natty machine.06:54
* shadeslayer tries06:54
shadeslayerc2tarun: compiles fine here06:56
ulysses- Mit rontottál el, ha a feleséged váratlanul bejön a konyhából és pofon vág?06:56
ulysses- ???06:56
shadeslayerulysses: english please06:56
shadeslayerc2tarun: http://paste.kde.org/618706:56
c2tarunshadeslayer: how did you get the source code? apt-get?06:57
shadeslayerpull-lp-source attica06:57
c2tarunshadeslayer: I tried again, its no building on mine?06:58
c2tarun:( why so?06:58
shadeslayerlemme have a look at the full log06:59
shadeslayerc2tarun: paste the whole log, from the time pbuilder started downloading things06:59
c2tarunehmm... I didn't used pbuilder, I build it on my natty and all build-deps are installed correctly07:00
shadeslayererr 07:00
shadeslayerc2tarun: try debuild-pbuilder07:00
shadeslayerinstead of debuild :)07:00
shadeslayer( that install's any packages that are missing )07:01
c2tarunshadeslayer: hmm.... but still mate my chroot not working might be a problem for me :( when I'll work on other package it will be a problem07:01
shadeslayerthe problem  is you don't have a build dep installed07:02
shadeslayerc2tarun: how do you build the package ? what command?07:02
c2tarundebuild -b -us -uc07:03
shadeslayer-b ?what does -b do?07:04
shadeslayernothing in the man page07:05
c2tarunshadeslayer: it builds binary package07:05
shadeslayer       Change the "-b" to "-S" to build only a source package.07:05
shadeslayeriirc debuild would inform you if the packages are not installed07:06
shadeslayerc2tarun: use a chroot to build packages .... 07:06
c2tarunshadeslayer: I was inside chroot when I executed this command ;)07:07
shadeslayeruh... you have to run dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -nc to start the build07:08
shadeslayernot debuild07:08
shadeslayerso try that ^^07:08
* c2tarun trying07:08
c2tarunshadeslayer: actually debuild calls dpkg-buildpacakge for us.07:09
c2tarunshadeslayer: look at first line of manpage Description of debuild07:09
shadeslayeryes but i'm specifying more options :)07:10
c2tarunwhat I normally do is, first I build a package on a chroot. If it builds successfully than I test it on pbuilder. If chroot is not working properly this will be a problem for me :(07:10
shadeslayerc2tarun: so you have a seprate chroot and a seprate pbuilder?07:11
c2tarunshadeslayer: yup07:11
shadeslayerc2tarun: you know you can use your pbuilder as a clean chroot?07:11
c2tarunshadeslayer: yes, but pbuilder takes lots of time in installing every dependency each time I want to test. but chroot installs and save :) so I use chroot for buildin once and then finally I use pbuilder for testing :)07:12
shadeslayerwell what i do for new packages is, log into my pbuilder, install stuff and build the package, so that i don't run into issues like these :P07:13
c2tarunobviously that is a better as it is saving disk space of one additional chroot :)07:14
shadeslayerc2tarun: pastebin output of dpkg -l 07:15
shadeslayerfrom inside the chroot07:15
shadeslayerinstalling pastebinit will help in this case :D07:16
c2tarunwhat is pastebinit?07:16
c2tarunshadeslayer: http://paste.kde.org/6188/07:17
ubottupastebinit is the command-line equivalent of !pastebin - Command output, or other text can be redirected to pastebinit, which then reports an URL containing the output - To use pastebinit, install the « pastebinit » package from a package manager - Simple usage: command | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com07:17
c2tarunwow :)07:18
shadeslayerweird, you have all the deps07:19
shadeslayerand yet it fails07:19
c2tarunshadeslayer: yep :(07:19
c2tarunshadeslayer: do you think we have to setup any env var for cmake errors?07:20
shadeslayerenv var for cmake errors? no07:21
c2tarunany Qt related env var?07:21
shadeslayerc2tarun: cd to the src dir and then : mkdir build;cd build; cmake ..07:22
shadeslayerand pastebin the output07:22
c2tarunshadeslayer: sorry, not getting, which src directory?07:23
shadeslayerc2tarun: it should be called attica-0.2.8007:23
shadeslayerthe one which has the source code :)07:23
c2tarunok then I should make build directory?07:24
c2tarunshadeslayer: http://paste.kde.org/6189/07:25
c2tarunshadeslayer: mate I am very sorry to say I gotta go (its mahashivratri ;)) I'll back in couple of hours, very sorry. if you find anything please message me. Thank you :)07:27
shadeslayeryep.. sure ... i know it's shivratri today :P07:27
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shadeslayerhey bambee08:31
hrwhow to tell nepomuk to shut up?08:45
hrwI got 14GB of ~/.xsession-errors08:45
c2tarunshadeslayer: ping08:46
bambeehrw: systemsettings->desktop research08:50
bambee(or something like that)08:50
bambeethen uncheck "Enable Nepomuk semantic Desktop"08:50
hrwbambee: I am fine with nepomuk working but I do not like GBs of logs generated by it08:51
bambeeohhh to shut up...  I'm not awake yet xD08:52
* bambee needs coffee08:52
* hrw needs a time to reconsider move to xfce08:52
hrwkde 4.6 starts to be pain in the ass too much08:53
hrwand my desktop does not runs 1GHz atom08:53
debfxhrw: run kdebugdialog08:56
Tm_Talso this is not (mainly) a support channel...08:57
c2tarunneed help with this error http://paste.kde.org/6190/  , this package builds succesfully on shadeslayer's pbuilder. but It failed on my natty chroot why so? :(08:58
* thebigcheese grumbles about win7 partitions not co/operating08:59
tsimpsonc2tarun: because pbuilder installs the needed build-deps, which you would need to do manually in a chroot09:10
c2taruntsimpson: I did that, my chroot satisfies the build-deps for the package.09:11
tsimpsonline 24:  Qt qmake not found!09:11
tsimpsondoes it have qt4-dev-tools?09:12
c2taruntsimpson: that lines requires qt4-dev-tools or qmake-qt4?09:13
tsimpsonqmake is usually in qt4-dev-tools iirc09:13
c2taruntsimpson: ok, its not installed, but still I executed apt-get build-dep for the package. do you qt4-dev-tools should be included into build-Depends of the package?09:14
tsimpsonrun "dpkg-checkbuilddeps" from the extracted source and see if it complains09:14
c2taruntsimpson: nope it didn't complained09:15
tsimpson!find bin/qmake-qt409:17
ubottuFile bin/qmake-qt4 found in libqt4-dbg, qt4-qmake09:17
tsimpsonok, it's qt4-qmake, not -dev-tools09:18
c2taruntsimpson: than qt4-qmake is installed on my system.09:19
tsimpsonand in the chroot?09:19
c2taruntsimpson: by system I meant chroot :) sorry for wrong choice of words09:21
c2taruntsimpson: yup :( still I am installing dev-tools as soon as it will be done, i'll try again09:33
tsimpsonc2tarun: can you just check in the chroot what the outputs of "qmake -query QT_VERSION" and "qmake-qt4 -query QT_VERSION" are09:34
tsimpson(they both should be the same)09:35
tsimpsonif both of those work in your chroot, then I can't see why FindQt4.cmake is failing09:35
c2taruntsimpson: sure I'll try that as soon as installation of qt4-dev-tools ends ;)09:35
shadeslayertsimpson: for some reason it's not picking up qmake09:37
* markey_nokia wonders why his QML Designer does not work in Creator... I must be missing some component09:46
markey_nokiathe icon always stays gray09:46
markey_nokiaon Windows, it works fine09:46
markey_nokiaand at home too09:46
markey_nokia*scratches beard*09:46
shadeslayeryeah there are different componentws09:47
c2taruntsimpson: qmake -query QT_VERSION **Unknown** and qmake-qt4 -query QT_VERSION 4.7.109:48
shadeslayermarkey_nokia: http://paste.kde.org/619209:48
tsimpsonc2tarun: I'm guessing that /usr/bin/qmake is the Qt3 qmake09:49
c2taruntsimpson: may be, how to fix that?09:50
shadeslayerc2tarun: remove qmake-qt3 :P09:50
tsimpsonit's set from update-alternatives09:50
shadeslayeror that ^09:51
c2tarunso I should just execute update-alternatives?09:51
tsimpson"sudo update-alternatives qmake" I think09:51
tsimpsonerm "sudo update-alternatives --config qmake"09:51
tsimpsonand choose qmake-qt409:51
c2tarunit worked :) actually how did you figured this out?09:53
tsimpsonby reading the FindQt4.cmake file 09:54
tsimpsonit actually checks for "Unknown", but apparently not "**Unknown**"09:54
c2tarunI mean how didi you figured these two commands? "qmake -query QT_VERSION" and "qmake-qt4 -query QT_VERSION"09:54
tsimpsonsomeone should go and fix that ;)09:54
tsimpson^ by reading the FindQt4.cmake file 09:54
tsimpsonthat gets the output from (whatever QT_QMAKE_EXECUTABLE is) -query QT_VERSION09:55
tsimpsonand FindQt4.cmake checks for qmake, qmake4, qmake-qt4, and qmake-mac09:56
tsimpson*in that order*09:56
shadeslayerin the past 2 days itself i've come to hate CMake09:57
tsimpsonit checks if the output is "Unknown" and then looks for qmake4 and qmake-qt409:57
markey_nokiashadeslayer: thanks!09:57
tsimpsonbut apparently qmake-qt3 ouputs "**Unknown**"?09:57
c2taruntsimpson: just curious what language is in FindQt4.cmake file?09:57
tsimpsonc2tarun: in cmake language09:58
shadeslayersure no problem 09:58
c2taruntsimpson: and you know cmake language. grt :)09:58
tsimpsonI wouldn't say I *know* it, but I can read it :)09:58
shadeslayeroooh http://www.webupd8.org/2011/03/ubuntu-live-cd-will-let-you-upgrade-to.html10:01
shadeslayerwill we have that as well?10:01
shadeslayerthe installer looks awesome now10:01
c2tarunon this page https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging the packages not taken by anyone. what does it mean? they ftbfs on natty?10:01
Riddellc2tarun: what's not taken?10:05
c2tarunRiddell: the packages which dont have any name in fron of them10:06
shadeslayeri'll take up workspace10:06
Riddellc2tarun: the ones with dashes mean they have no new versions10:08
c2tarunRiddell: okey... and the with names in front of them?10:08
Riddellc2tarun: with a name infront of them ments that person should be working on it with the status which is in the next column10:11
c2tarun Riddell: ok and no names and no dashes?10:11
Riddellmeans nobody is working on it10:13
c2tarunRiddell: nobody is working and newer version is available upstream right?10:13
Riddellc2tarun: yes10:14
c2tarunokay so they are the only work that needs to be done.10:14
c2tarungocha :)10:15
c2tarunthere is package named kde-l10n. its not in natty but only in debian, how can i get the source code of that package?10:38
Riddellc2tarun: kde-l10n means the many packages one for each language, eg. kde-l10n-fr for french10:40
Riddell(debian put them all into one massive source package for some reason)10:40
Riddellpackaging it needs lots of bandwidth, disk space and time10:40
debfxRiddell: bug #727386 has the list of kde3 packages (in case you haven't seen it)10:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 727386 in Ubuntu "Please remove several kde3 packages (source and binary)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72738610:40
c2tarunRiddell: is there anything to do? I mean any package needs upgradation?10:41
shadeslayerdpkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of file plasma/generic/runners/kill/plasma-runner-kill.desktop10:42
shadeslayeri guess the tarball didn't uncompress properly ..10:42
Riddellc2tarun: sure, most of maverick10:43
c2tarunok so i'll prepare a mav chroot first and then i'll pick one. thank you10:44
Riddellc2tarun: you can still use that ec2 machine10:44
Riddellit's still running10:44
c2tarunwow :) thanks 10:45
* c2tarun I'll take kdesdk10:47
c2tarunwhat version should I set for kdesdk will this be ok? 4:4.6.0-0ubuntu3~maverick~ppa110:54
Riddellc2tarun: nope10:55
c2tarunwhy ubuntu1?10:56
Riddellubuntu1 is the version in the ubuntu archive, this is built from the first version in the ubuntu archive10:56
c2tarunok, and why 4.6.1?10:57
Riddell4.6.1 is the upstream KDE version10:57
c2tarunupstream version is 4.6.0 I guess.10:57
Riddellno it's 4.6.1 here10:57
Riddell4.6.0 is the old version and 4.6.1 is the new release we're packaging10:57
shadeslayeroh crapz10:58
Riddellshadeslayer: what have you done?10:58
shadeslayerRiddell: nothing serious10:58
c2tarunhmm... there is no watch file in there. from where can I get the latest version?10:59
shadeslayerRiddell: i'm copying kdebindings 4.5.90 to ninja's10:59
Riddellc2tarun: from ktown10:59
Riddellc2tarun: actually, apt-get source it10:59
shadeslayerto make kdebase-workspace work10:59
Riddellyou'll get the natty version from natty PPA10:59
kubotushadeslayer_ is listening to "04 Mumford And Sons - Roll Away Your Stone" by [unknown] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/shadeslayer_ for more11:00
c2tarunRiddell: something is wrong :/ are you aware that I am working with kdesdk package?11:01
c2tarunRiddell: ok, sorry natty ppa is not enabled on that ec211:01
shadeslayery u timeout launchpad11:01
c2tarunRiddell: i'll get that enabled.11:01
Riddellc2tarun: it should be, it's in sources.list11:02
c2tarunwell yeah its there... :/ still on apt-get source I got version 4.6.011:03
c2tarunRiddell: ^^11:03
Riddellc2tarun: try an  apt-get update11:05
c2tarunRiddell: got one :)11:06
bambeekubuntu desktop amd64 (20110302) tested => it works just fine here11:12
* c2tarun hooo kdesdk is quite big package taking lots of time in building11:20
Riddellc2tarun: yes, kdetoys is one of the few small ones11:21
* shadeslayer just registered for the Desktop Summit11:26
shadeslayerhmm .. can anyone open the build log here : https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+buildjob/229526111:37
Riddellshadeslayer: yes, opens in ark11:38
shadeslayeri cant :S11:38
shadeslayerstupid chromium11:39
tazzshadeslayer, opes in ff11:40
shadeslayeryeah chromium issue iirc11:40
shadeslayeroooh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VisI7VWwL_g&feature=autofb11:41
Riddellshadeslayer: contextless youtube link, what is it?11:44
shadeslayerRiddell: it's a ad for QML11:44
RiddellI wonder what the phone is in that advert, presumably an unspecified non-existing device to put Qt onto11:46
shadeslayerLooked like the N900 to me11:47
shadeslayerRiddell: should " Debian, supply most of our packages" be changed to " Debian, supplies most of our packages" ?11:58
shadeslayeron kubuntu.org11:58
Riddellshadeslayer: yeah can do11:59
shadeslayerkewl :D11:59
RiddellI also had a request to put GNU on there but I think we can't list every upstream12:01
shadeslayeryeah ..12:01
shadeslayerany idea's on how to fix kdebindings 4.5.9012:03
shadeslayeri feel like i'm banging my head against a wall when i look at kdebindings12:03
RiddellI'm not sure you can, if it doesn't compile with kdelibs 4.612:03
shadeslayerin that case .. no kdebase-workspace for now12:04
Riddellshadeslayer: ah hah, it's smoke and ksambashare12:06
Riddellthere's a patch for that in natty packages12:06
Riddellshadeslayer: try applying the patch to 4.5.9012:06
Riddellhi bambee, I take it you haven't come across bug 726581 in your testing?12:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 726581 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "install stops half way through" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72658112:09
bambeeRiddell: nop, install finished correctly without any errors12:11
Riddellbambee: you're done two test installs right?  12:12
bambeeright "entire disk" and "manual partitionning"12:12
bambeeboth worked12:12
Riddellso I wonder if that bug only happens on i38612:13
Riddelltrying amd64 now to see if I get it there or not12:13
c2tarunjust curious, what is the maximum time any package took to build?12:14
JontheEchidnanixternal: lol, the pissing commences: http://nowwhatthe.blogspot.com/2011/03/libreoffice-and-opensuse-114.html12:15
Riddellc2tarun: qt takes about 18 hours on ARM12:15
RiddellJontheEchidna: Jos really likes to slag off Canonical recently12:16
JontheEchidnayeah, it's become real obvious as of late12:16
jussiPerhaps with his new job on the other side of the fence, his influences are such that it happens12:17
JontheEchidnaI think it's rather unbecoming of somebody in that position12:18
jussiJontheEchidna: I tend to agree, however, when you spend a lot of time with persons who are biased, you often become so yourself. 12:18
jussiOh yeah, that reminds me, I need to file a bug. What package do I file against for bugs in the partitioning part of the installer? 12:19
JontheEchidnaI've never seen anything but respect from his counterpart on the Ubuntu side of things, and especially I've not seen thinly-veiled insults from Jono12:19
Riddellin other news some chap called Mark Shuttleworth just created an account on identity.kde.org :)12:21
bambeeRiddell: I will test for i386 this afternoon12:21
bambeejust in case12:21
bambeebut I'm sure it worked just fine this morning12:21
JontheEchidnabambee: oh, I wanted to tell you something I noticed about language-selector12:22
JontheEchidnaI think it would make a lot of sense to at least check the "Translations" component checkbox when you first select a language from the install list12:22
jussiRiddell: epic :D 12:23
JontheEchidnasince probably all usecases of installing lang support include installing translations12:23
bambeeJontheEchidna: indeed... I agree12:23
RiddellI think they should all be ticked12:24
Riddellrarely do you want only some language support12:24
c2tarunRiddell: can you take a look at that ec2 machine.12:24
JontheEchidnaeven better :)12:24
bambeeJontheEchidna: I'll fix it this afternoon12:24
bambee(it's a bug fix... so I can right ?)12:25
Riddellc2tarun: library symbols breakage!12:25
c2tarunRiddell: never encountered one. any documentation on it?12:26
Riddellc2tarun: since it didn't happen when compiling on natty I conclude it happens because of the different gcc compiler version12:27
Riddell(the other reason this would happen is if the source code to the libraries was changed such that it changed the symbols, but that would have shown up on natty)12:27
c2tarunwhat do you mean by symbols12:27
Riddellc2tarun: symbols are the items in programming libraries (libkastencore4 in this case) which get used by programmes12:28
Riddellif they change you usually need to recompile all the programmes which use that library12:28
Riddellchange or get removed, new symbols are fine12:28
c2tarunbut I think compilation end up here succesfully.12:28
Riddellin this case the change is only due to the different compiler on maverick so I don't think it's worth worrying about it12:29
Riddelleasy workaround is rm debian/*symbols12:30
Riddellthen run debuild -nc  to continue the package building12:30
Riddellyou could also run batchpatch as described here http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/symbolfiles.html12:30
c2tarunI am still not getting a bit, symbols are used by the programs right? then how can we simply replace the symbols file without any proper replacement?12:32
c2tarunRiddell: ^^12:32
Riddellc2tarun: the .symbols file is a check for packagers to ensure no symbols have been changed or removed12:33
Riddellif we were packaging for natty and symbols had been changed or removed (as happened with kdenetwork) we would need to consult with upstream what to do12:33
Riddellbut here they have been removed (compared to natty) because of the different gcc version, so I'm happy to ignore the issue12:34
c2tarunok, got it :) i'll remove the symbols file12:34
Riddellshadeslayer, yofel: dot editors are discussing publishing the neon story, if you don't want it published best tell them12:37
c2tarunRiddell: should I mention removing symbols file in d/changelog?12:55
shadeslayerRiddell: tell them not to publish it atm13:07
bambeeJontheEchidna: language-selector checkboxes are checked automatically only when the corresponding language component is installed actually... so if "transactions" isn't installed but checked as default it's confusing13:12
bambeenop ?13:13
bambeeI understood what you meant earlier...but how make differences ?13:13
Riddellc2tarun: yeah13:18
c2tarunRiddell: I am changing my name in changelog but while rebuild source package its getting reset. What should I do? I mean how to run debuild -S13:23
* Quintasan wonders why there is no RAID and/or LVM creation option in the graphical installer13:28
yofelgood, kdegraphics builds without libkexiv2-9.symbols13:30
Riddellc2tarun: ?  just run debuild -S13:30
Riddellyour name needs to match the one on your gpg key13:31
c2tarunRiddell: I am doing that, but when I am trying to sign the package form my system, I am not able to sing and getting this error gpg: skipped "Kubuntu Developers <kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com>": secret key not available13:31
c2tarunRiddell: ping13:33
JontheEchidnabambee: in the install tab, when you click on an uninstalled language you have to manually tick the "Components:" chechboxes to install anything13:34
JontheEchidnawhich is a bit confusing since the apply button is clickable at that point13:34
bambeeJontheEchidna: yes and if you click on a partial installed language "installed components" wil be checked... so it's confusing :)13:35
Riddellc2tarun: what command are you running to sign it?13:35
c2tarunRiddell: debsign -r ubuntu@ec2-50-16-53-139.compute-1.amazonaws.com:~/kdesdk/kdesdk_4.6.1-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1.dsc   13:35
bambeeJontheEchidna: the apply button shouldn't be clickable if nothing is checked indeed...13:35
Riddellc2tarun: it's the .changes file you want13:35
bambeeI agree about that13:35
c2tarunRiddell: I dont think this command is a prob, the prob is what in dsc file13:35
c2tarunnot .dsc but changes?13:36
JontheEchidnabambee: perhaps all components should just be installed by default, and the checkboxes aren't shown on the install tab, but only on the uninstall tab?13:36
bambeein this cases gtk frontend features are useless ...13:37
JontheEchidnawell, it is gtk ;-)13:37
JontheEchidnathey are not known for their usefulness :P13:37
shadeslayerapachelogger: wow13:37
shadeslayerso it's trivial to make a media player now :P13:37
apacheloggerscrew dragon, you can now build your own player in like 30 seconds ^^13:38
shadeslayerhaha :D13:38
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: you should do a blog in response to rspencer's make-a-media-player-in-10-minutes-with-Quickly blogs13:38
JontheEchidnathat are all the time on planet ubuntu13:39
c2tarunRiddell: its signed :) you wanna take a look before I upload it?13:39
* apachelogger is not following the planets no moar13:39
apacheloggercanonical is raping gnome13:41
bambeeJontheEchidna: so to install just extra fonts for "chinese" I should install everything... then uninstall not wanted components ?13:42
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: what would one be blogging in response?13:42
bambeeeven more confusing 13:42
apachelogger"10 minutes? I have better things to do... [inser video]"13:42
JontheEchidnabambee: I would think that most users don't care and don't even have to know that extra fonts are being installed13:43
JontheEchidnathey just know that if they click chinese and hit apply, then things will work13:43
JontheEchidnaand if the user does care, then he can uninstall the extra fonts in the uninstall tab13:44
JontheEchidnain my opinion, anyway13:44
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: how to create a media player in 30 seconds13:45
bambeeno other opinions about that ? both point of views are correct... I think... nop ?13:47
bambeeJontheEchidna: you point of view is interesting and correct, but apply changes like that in a bugfix...13:47
bambee(the change is trivial to do, but it's not really a bugfix... it's a feature change)13:48
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: kk13:49
bambeehowever if nothing is selected "apply" shouldn't be clickable, and in this case it's a bug fix13:49
JontheEchidnayeah, that definitely should be fixed13:49
JontheEchidnayou could put the question out for wider changes to the mailing list if you need more input on that13:50
JontheEchidnamaybe we all can come up with a new GUI design that's inherently less confusing ;-)13:50
JontheEchidnathere's no law that says we have to slave to copy what the GNOME gui did :P13:51
apacheloggersure there is13:51
apacheloggerthe law of canonical making money with youbuntoo :P13:51
bambeeoriginally it was required by "the chief" :P13:51
bambeemhhh anyway, I'll fix the "apply problem" and ask feedbacks on the mailing list :)13:53
Riddellc2tarun: hmm, the changelog should include the natty changelog entry too, below your entry for maverick13:54
c2tarunRiddell: yup something went wrong with the changelog, I just noticed. working on it13:55
c2tarunRiddell: I copied the changelog file from the previous version again and edited it and when trying to rebuild the source package I am getting some error, can't we simply copy the changelog?13:59
Riddellc2tarun: yes you can copy the old one, then add the new changelog entry for maverick14:01
Riddellcp ../orig/kdesdk-4.6.1/debian/changelog debian/changelog14:01
Riddelldch -newversion 4:4.6.1-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1 "Maverick backport"14:01
ari-tczewRiddell: backportpackage tool from ubuntu-dev-tools14:03
shadeslayerkdebindings is past the FTBFS point14:03
c2tarunRiddell: Why is it that my changelog replacing somethings from the previous changelog even when I am executing dch -i please take a look at kdesdk.debdiff file14:07
Riddellari-tczew: hmm?14:09
Riddellshadeslayer: awooga14:09
Riddellc2tarun: run  screen -x14:09
Riddellthen I can see what you're doing14:09
c2tarunRiddell: can you see now?14:10
ari-tczewRiddell: I saw you discuss about backporting package, I just wanted to suggest check this script.14:10
Riddellc2tarun: yes14:10
Riddellc2tarun: try again to reset the changelog14:10
nixternalawooga! to early in the morning for an awooga14:11
Riddellc2tarun: you're starting from the 4.6.0 changelog 14:13
Riddellyou want to start from the 4.6.1 one14:13
Riddellwhich is in ~/kdesdk/orig/kdesdk-4.6.1/debian/changelog14:13
bambeeRiddell: btw I used a virtual machine for my tests, and it works fine with i38614:16
Riddellc2tarun: change "New upstream release" to "maverick backport"14:16
Riddellbambee: can you add that you used a virtual machine to bug 72658114:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 726581 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "install stops half way through" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72658114:16
c2tarunmaverick backport , OK14:16
bambeeRiddell: ok14:17
shadeslayerkdebindings uploaded14:21
shadeslayerbut they're the old ones14:21
Riddellc2tarun: looking good14:24
c2tarunRiddell: yup :)14:24
Riddellgo for upload to ppa:kubuntu-ninjas14:24
c2tarunRiddell: its done :)14:26
Riddellgreat, well done14:29
JontheEchidnaNeat, KOrg got 4/5 stars from a gnome user: http://i.imgur.com/IKtp6.png14:30
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: where are the reviews sent?14:31
shadeslayeror are these written on packages.ubuntu.com and sync'd from there?14:31
JontheEchidnashadeslayer: currently muon doesn't support sending reviews, but Ubuntu has a reviews server14:32
shadeslayerOR .... from ubuntu software center?14:32
JontheEchidnaMuon and USC grab reviews from there14:32
JontheEchidnaOnly USC can send reviews to the server, but hopefully Muon will too in a bit14:32
JontheEchidnaI'll have to figure out their Ubuntu SSO magic for that to happen14:33
JontheEchidnamight be a GSoC project, since a KDE SSO frontend is also needed for Ubuntu One14:33
shadeslayeradd it to the wiki page :P14:36
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: good enough http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screenshots/snapshot155.png14:37
apacheloggerkdeui to sso14:38
apacheloggersurely they broke the api completely by now, so you will have to redo the gluing14:38
apacheloggerbut widgets should be pretty reusable14:38
JontheEchidnagluing was what I was most worried about14:39
apacheloggerI just sipped it14:39
apacheloggerthat way ubuntu-sso-client just needs to load the kdeui pyth0rn module14:39
apacheloggerwhich in turn sips c++14:39
apacheloggerwell defined interfaces are key :D14:40
JontheEchidnaso most of the SSO magic happens over a DBus interface in the sso gui?14:45
* apachelogger explicitly requested dbus as they wanted to use sockets :S14:45
apacheloggerquite frankly the design is a bit inside out though14:46
* apachelogger would have done something like polkit14:46
apacheloggerto completely separate the logic from the ui14:46
apacheloggerbut oh well :S14:46
JontheEchidnalol sockets14:46
apacheloggercant always get what you want I suppose14:46
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: exactly14:47
JontheEchidnaI found this code in synaptic that sends file descriptors over sockets: http://paste.ubuntu.com/574486/14:48
JontheEchidnaI sort've just laughed and cried and looked away14:48
shadeslayerdid someone say sockets14:49
JontheEchidnaand that's not even the worst part14:49
JontheEchidnato actually read/write the fd's, they use this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/574488/14:49
JontheEchidnaI've never seen unions used outside of an academic application before this14:49
shadeslayerthis one is better http://paste.kde.org/~shadeslayer/6050/14:50
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: guess what we use to login into the server from a windows machine?14:52
shadeslayeryeah ... and emacs and vim are all screwed up14:52
JontheEchidnaI shall send you a telegram with my login credentials14:53
shadeslayeroh guess what the server is running14:53
JontheEchidnaplease respond verifying my access rights14:53
shadeslayerwhat .. ? :D14:53
JontheEchidnaI was making fun of telnet as being as ancient as telegrams14:53
shadeslayerah .. lol14:54
apacheloggerthat is not true!14:54
apacheloggertelnet is a lot older14:54
JontheEchidnagopher is da bomb14:54
shadeslayerThe server runs the 2.6.18 Version of the linux kernel... the machine itself is a redhat server14:54
apacheloggershadeslayer: what sort of experiment is this anyway?14:55
shadeslayerapachelogger: the socket program?14:55
apacheloggeraround here we have to implement our own sockets before being able to do that sorta stuff :S14:55
shadeslayerit's one of the program's from my Computer Network Lab14:55
shadeslayerapachelogger: you're pursuing BS or MS?14:55
shadeslayerbecause this is undergrad coursework14:56
* JontheEchidna is always in pursuit of bulls**t14:56
apacheloggershadeslayer: BS14:56
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: lol14:56
apacheloggerthat was 2nd semester stuff actually14:56
apacheloggerlet me digg up some snapshot tar14:56
* apachelogger has old stuff all tared up in tars of tars14:57
shadeslayerapachelogger: well ... i'm  a ECE student, so they don't take us into the depths of that stuff14:57
apacheloggeroh right, crypot in asm was also fun14:57
shadeslayeri did start reading the awesome tutorial at beej.us14:57
shadeslayerthe only thing i ever wrote in asm was small programs for the 8085 chip in our lab14:59
* apachelogger cannot find the flipping tar with the server15:00
JontheEchidnaI'm taking an embedded microsystems course this semester that's all about ASM15:00
apacheloggeractually I just remembered we then implemented http ontop of it :)15:00
* apachelogger fires up locate15:00
JontheEchidnawe each have an EVBU (Motorolla 68HC11 processor) for running our code15:01
apacheloggerseems to be an older version15:01
apacheloggerjudging from allt he not implemented that is :D15:02
JontheEchidnaspeaking of which I need to write up a lab report for Embedded Microsystems, since it is due this afternoon :<15:02
* JontheEchidna stops slacking15:02
apacheloggershadeslayer: I also add comments about where in the spec the stuff is coming from BTW15:02
shadeslayeryeah i can see that15:02
shadeslayerlol line 18315:03
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: oh, have fun with that :P15:03
shadeslayerapachelogger: Socket programing is fun15:03
shadeslayereven more so when you implement everything on your own15:04
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: we recently learned how to use subroutines, and are now using them to output text to a console15:04
apacheloggernot if you need to do it in C++15:04
* apachelogger finds it most distrubing to do that sorta stuff in C++15:04
shadeslayernever tried socket programming in C++15:04
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: ooh.. nice15:04
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: so you are now working on a gameboy clone I suppose?15:04
shadeslayersubroutines are awesome15:05
JontheEchidnaThe first time I tried to use them I accidentally JMP'd to the subroutine instead of JSR, so I never returned from the subroutine :S15:05
shadeslayerhaha :D15:05
* apachelogger does that with threads in Qt ^^15:05
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: 2 MHZ clock (8 external) and 512 bytes of RAM, half of which is taken up by the OS15:05
JontheEchidnaWe have 0000 - 0041 for stack, and 0100 to 01FF for RAM15:06
apacheloggeryou have the best intentions and want to introduce some threading ... and suddenly you find yourself in a deadlock and realize that you did not start thread execution ;)15:06
Riddell  /win 1515:06
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: plenty of space15:06
apacheloggerRiddell: get a proper client15:06
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: oh yeah, I don't expect to run out any time soon15:07
shadeslayeryeah each program is only a few bytes15:07
shadeslayeryou don't need to run X on it:P15:07
JontheEchidnalast lab we made a function generator that outputted a sin wave to an oscilliscope15:07
* shadeslayer can do that with a Arduino15:08
apacheloggerthat entirely reminds me of that cpu emulator we had assignments on15:08
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apacheloggerkubotu: google x-toy assembler harald sitter15:08
kubotuResults for x-toy assembler harald sitter: 1. Harald Sitter :: Weblog :: X-Toy (Assembler): http://tugll.tugraz.at/91675/weblog/10468.html | 2. Harald Sitter :: Weblog: http://tugll.tugraz.at/91675/weblog/ | 3. Harald Sitter :: Weblog :: It's a pointer world: http://tugll.tugraz.at/91675/weblog/9289.html15:08
JontheEchidnawe had a table with the y-coords, and used a delay subroutine to control the x coords15:08
apacheloggerthat one15:08
agateauafiestas: ping15:09
shadeslayersadly the indian education system has been stuck in the 90's15:10
apacheloggerthe 90's werent that bad15:10
apacheloggerwindows 95 and 9815:11
apacheloggerno google empire around15:11
apacheloggerKDE 115:11
apacheloggerbirth of linux15:11
apacheloggerplenty of good things15:11
shadeslayeryeah .. but none of those were taken up :)15:11
shadeslayeras you can see .. we still telnet into a red hat server from the 90's15:11
apacheloggerI blieve 90% of the redhat servers are from the 90s :P15:12
shadeslayeryeah but atleast they don't run the .18 kernel :P15:12
shadeslayerand i mean ... 2.18 15:12
agateaushadeslayer: worse kernel was 2.4.11 btw15:14
agateauit's even labelled as "don't use" :)15:14
agateausee http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/15:14
agateauthose were the days :)15:14
apacheloggeremit giggle();15:14
* apachelogger enhances apachelogger.h15:14
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afiestasagateau: pong15:39
agateauafiestas: just wanted to tell you your appmenu issues should be fixed now15:40
agateauafiestas: including firefox integration15:40
afiestaswow nice! I had to install arch because the X stack was highly unstable :/15:40
afiestasin a few days I will switch back I guess, I will give you feedback then15:41
agateauafiestas: ok, keep me posted15:41
* c2tarun taking kdeutils15:48
c2tarunwith kdeutils library libqjson-dev I am not able to install the build-deps of kdeutils, Can I get it from somewhere outside?15:54
Riddellc2tarun: it may need universe to be enabled in /etc/apt/sources.list#15:56
c2tarunRiddell: universe enabled and updated the system, still same error15:59
Riddellc2tarun: ah, libqjson-dev (>= 0.7.1-1ubuntu1) but we have 0.7.1-1ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa116:01
Riddellc2tarun: just put a ~ on the end of the version number in debian/control16:02
QuintasanRiddell: http://i.imgur.com/sgKBP.png <--- any idea on that?16:03
RiddellQuintasan: looks like a virtual machine of some sort?16:04
c2tarunRiddell: same problem16:04
QuintasanRiddell: Yeah, more than that I wonder about the error, any idea who should I bother when fresh maverick install on KVM fails to load like that?16:05
shadeslayerat some point in the maverick cycle ubuntu didn't boot in KVM16:06
shadeslayerbut iirc it was solved16:06
Riddellc2tarun: I installed libqjson-dev and now it doesn't complain about needing it16:06
c2tarunRiddell: installing needs some sort of refresh or reset?16:07
Riddellc2tarun: no16:08
c2tarunRiddell: and by rmadison it shows in maverick repo we have version 0.7.1-1 and 0.7.1-1ubuntu1 is required16:08
c2tarunso I think adding ~ at the end wont do, I have to remove ubuntu1?16:09
Riddellc2tarun: 0.7.1-1ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1 is in kubuntu-ppa/backports16:10
Riddelland ought to be in ninjas too, probably needs someone to copy it16:10
c2tarunRiddell: oh ya16:10
c2tarunok then I am still getting error :(16:11
Riddellwhat error?16:12
c2tarunRiddell: E: Build-Depends dependency for kdeutils cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package libqjson-dev can satisfy version requirements16:12
Riddellc2tarun: this is on the ec2 machine?16:13
c2tarunRiddell: yup16:13
Riddellc2tarun: when I run debuild in kdeutils it says  dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libgmp3-dev libsnmp-dev libarchive-dev liblzma-dev pkg-config libzip-dev python-dev16:14
Riddellnothing about qjson16:14
c2tarunRiddell: try installing the build dependencies by sudo apt-get build-dep kdeutils16:15
Riddellc2tarun: ah but that doesn't read debian/control it reads the apt list which isn't necessarily what you want16:16
Riddellso just install them by hand with apt-get install16:17
c2tarunRiddell: what apt list?16:17
ScottKapachelogger: No RobbieW at today's meeting and no idea from doko about when it'll be fixed.  I think we need to go with 4.4 as we discussed.16:17
Riddellc2tarun: run debuild16:17
Riddellit will complain about what isn't installed16:18
c2tarunok, sure16:18
c2tarunis this versio correct? 4:4.6.1-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa116:24
ScottKapachelogger: Looks like next week we'll likely have the fix.16:27
ScottKRiddell: I think we need to change pkg-kde-tools to use gcc4.4 on armel for now.16:27
kunali am using the debian folder from bzr branch lp:~kubuntu-members/kdelibs/ubuntu16:30
debfxScottK: what about qt packages that don't use pkg-kde-tools?16:30
kunalwhere can i get the kdelibs 4.6.1 tar file 16:30
kunali was not able to find in ubuntu archive16:31
kunalit's having 4.6.016:31
ScottKdebfx: We'll need to touch those one by one.16:31
ScottKkunal: We haven't uploaded 4.6.1 yet.16:31
kunalScottK: ok16:31
kunalScottK: i wanted to create a patch for remove direct GL dependency in libplasma 16:33
kunalScottK: i should use the previous version  from bzr?16:33
ScottKI'm not the best one to ask.16:33
Riddellkunal: you should use the source from KDE git16:34
kunalScottK: ok, thanks 16:34
RiddellScottK: "Looks like next week we'll likely have the fix" does that mean gcc 4.5 will have the fix uploaded next week?16:35
ScottKRiddell: It's supposed to be in the Linaro GCC release on Tuesday.  doko usually updates GCC in Ubuntu very quickly after that.16:35
kunalRiddell: ok, mainline without patches in debian folder?16:36
ScottKWe definitely won't have it for 4.6.1 though.16:36
RiddellScottK: so it doesn't seem worth adding it to pkg-kde-tools then, I don't think we want to recompile everything one week then do it again next week16:36
Riddellkunal: what is this patch for?16:36
ScottKRiddell: You're stuck either way.16:37
ScottKIf you use 4.5 now, everything will need a rebuild on arm to work.  If you use 4.4 now, everything will need a rebuild on arm to use 4.5.16:37
kunalRiddell:remove direct GL dependency in libplasma16:37
Riddellkunal: is that for upstream?  or some need within ubuntu?16:37
ScottKIf we use 4.4 then we at least have something working in the meantime.16:38
kunalRiddell: it's already in mainline, need to add to ubuntu natty package16:38
Riddellkunal: it's already upstream?16:38
kunalRiddell: yes16:38
Riddellkunal: and why do we want it in natty?16:39
RiddellScottK: are you able to make that change then?16:40
kunalRiddell: to "Bringup Plasma Desktop with GLES2 on ARM platforms"16:41
ScottKRiddell: I was hoping apachelogger would do it.16:41
Riddellapachelogger: is ScottK's hopefullness going to work?16:42
Riddellkunal: are you an ubuntu developer?16:42
kunalRiddell: Linaro Developer Platform16:43
Riddellkunal: what's your launchpad id?  I can add you to the kubuntu-ninjas team to give you access to the 4.6.1 packages16:43
kunalRiddell: goelkunal 16:43
kunalRiddell: thanks for providing access16:44
Riddellkunal: ok I've added you to the team, you can get 4.6.1 from the super secret PPA https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa16:46
Riddelland do merge requests on the lp:~kubuntu-members/kdelibs/ubuntu branch if you have a patch for us16:46
kunalRiddell: thanks, i'll make changes and send merge proposal16:47
shadeslayerapachelogger: i could do a webbrowser in 30 seconds :P16:54
ScottKshadeslayer: Would it suck less than rekonq?16:56
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shadeslayerScottK: no idea... but it would definitely NOT have all the features rekonq has :)17:11
ScottKHopefully it would not have the one where when a user asks to close a window, it decided it knows better and doesn't do it.17:12
shadeslayerhaha :D17:13
shadeslayeryeah it's a known bug :P17:13
shadeslayerkdebase up up and away17:14
debfxScottK: what's you opinion on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/707794/comments/15 ?17:14
ubottuUbuntu bug 707794 in koffice (Ubuntu) "libqt4-opengl on armel should be compiled with OpenGL ES 2.x support" [High,Triaged]17:14
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debfxmaybe calling qCritical() would be better17:15
ScottKdebfx: Sounds reasonable.17:15
ScottKIt wasn't supposed to break the ABI.17:15
shadeslayerapachelogger: tried the Qt port for android yet?17:16
Riddelldebfx: what's the difference between qFatal and qCritical?17:18
debfxRiddell: qFatal aborts the application17:19
debfxqCritical just prints a message17:19
RiddellI'd go with fatal, if there's a problem we should know about it17:21
c2tarunRiddell: I packaed kdeutils, Can you please take a look17:26
Riddellc2tarun: looks good17:28
c2tarunok, so I'll upload it :)17:28
c2tarunThanks for ec2 :)17:29
Riddellclaydoh: how's the release page and technicalOverview doing?17:35
Riddellbuenos noches toscalix 17:36
Riddellshadeslayer: which kdebase is up and away?17:36
RiddellI assumed you ment maverick backport but https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging says not17:37
shadeslayerdid'nt i just update it17:37
Riddellah, workspace isn't kdebase :)17:38
shadeslayeryou're kidding right? :D17:41
shadeslayerit's a subfolder of kdebase ... or that's what i thought17:41
yofelwell, 4.7 will fix that misunderstanding at least ^^17:42
Riddellyes it's kde-workspace in git I think17:44
yofelit is17:45
* yofel is getting tired of QETWidget::translateXI2Event crashes17:53
Riddellyofel: cnd on #u-d is the guy to poke17:55
yofelmight do that, plasma-desktop and other things crash randomly here, at least 10 crashes per hour17:57
* shadeslayer hugs his maverick install17:59
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toscalixRiddell: buenas noches :-)18:15
toscalixRiddell: from a kubuntu Lucid18:16
debfxRiddell: can I somehow opt out of receiving kubuntu-bugs membership mails?18:17
Riddelldebfx: how are you in the kubuntu-bugs team?18:17
debfxRiddell: directly18:19
ScottKIsn't the point of being in that team to get the mails?18:21
Riddellleave the team then surely18:21
debfxScottK: no, I'm in the team to be able to subscribe it to packages18:22
RiddellI think at the moment launchpad doesn't let you control that, you need to filter it yourself18:23
Riddelli did do a review of a proposed UI to allow that so I guess it's in the works18:23
debfxsurely they will invent other reasons to spam18:27
debfxby the way kubuntu-ninjas still sends ftbfs mails to all members18:29
apacheloggerScottK: I'll start rolling gles once kde stopped segfaulting :P18:37
ScottKapachelogger: So do the pkg-kde-tools change for gcc4.4.18:38
apacheloggershadeslayer: please do a web browser in 30 seconds18:38
yofelcnd was working on a fix for the Qt crash18:38
shadeslayerhaha :D18:38
apacheloggershadeslayer: also I did not try qt on android18:38
shadeslayerapachelogger: http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/02/live-from-apples-ipad-2-event/?sort=newest&refresh=6018:38
apacheloggerI have a feeling the magic would explode18:38
apacheloggerstop it with applegdget already18:38
apacheloggerScottK: aye, just need to figure out how ^^18:39
apacheloggershadeslayer: I'll try it once the tablet arrives18:39
shadeslayerokay :D18:39
apacheloggeralso did you see phonon on android talk from yesterday night18:39
shadeslayerapachelogger: in #phonon ? yes18:40
apacheloggeractually it might not be that difficult, the tricky part is getting a backend going18:40
apacheloggerbasically you will have to interface with the java objects of the android mm stack18:40
apacheloggercould be a jolly project18:40
apacheloggerhopefully that friend of trever is entering that as gsoc project18:41
shadeslayeri can help test18:41
shadeslayerbecause i have no idea what the android stack looks like18:41
bambeesomeone could test this patch http://paste.ubuntu.com/574598/ (language-selector) ? normally it should be less confusing now18:41
bambeeI added tooltips, and if a component is installed it cannot be selected anymore in install tab18:42
apacheloggerkubotu: google android multimedia api18:42
kubotuResults for android multimedia api: 1. Audio and Video | Android Developers: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/media/ | 2. Package Index | Android Developers: http://developer.android.com/reference/packages.html | 3. Android 2.3 Platform Highlights | Android Developers: http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.3-highlights.html18:42
Quintasanshadeslayer: I tried to install Qt via Ministro but it didnt install anything18:42
apacheloggerlooky looky18:42
shadeslayerQuintasan: how?18:42
Quintasanshadeslayer: search market for Ministro18:43
bambeeI need feedbacks18:43
Quintasanbut it just popped out with "Searching for libs" and the quit18:43
shadeslayersame here18:43
bambee(I suck for graphical interfaces :) )18:43
* bambee will offer cookies and beers to anyone who would like give feedbacks about his patch (harald stickers in bonus )... don't wait :P19:18
apacheloggerScottK: I think I am too tired to understand the kernel stuff today19:28
apacheloggerwill try again tomorrow19:28
* apachelogger shall try getting more than 3 hrs of sleep today19:28
apacheloggerafiestas: ping19:36
apacheloggerafiestas: unping19:57
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jussiAnd Kamoso crashes on taking a pickture :(20:39
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ari-tczewRiddell: around?21:37
ari-tczewRiddell: could you check it? bug 71098121:41
ubottuLaunchpad bug 710981 in choqok (Ubuntu) "New upstream release 1.0" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/71098121:41
ari-tczewlast comments about broken indicator suppor21:41
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rickspencer3any Qt Creator experts here can give me some tips for Natty?22:50
rickspencer3like, how to enable the design view, for example?22:50
debfxrickspencer3: opening a .ui file should make qtcreator switch to the design view22:59
rickspencer3debfx, sorry, I'm using Quick Quick, or at least I would like to be22:59
rickspencer3but I can't get the design view to turn on22:59
debfxrickspencer3: the qml designer requires private qt headers so we don't build the plugin23:09
rickspencer3debfx, do you know why they do it that way? is it licensing issues?23:15
debfxrickspencer3: no, i'm guessing that part of the QtDeclarative api isn't finished yet23:17
Riddellari-tczew: please e-mail me, I'll get it tomorrow23:28
Riddellrickspencer3: Qt Quick Designer hasn't been released yet23:29
ari-tczewRiddell: you're subscribed to bug, is it enough?23:29
Riddellari-tczew: no, sorry I get lots of bug mail 23:29
ari-tczewRiddell: ok23:29
rickspencer3Riddell, hmm, it's working in the screenshots in the Qt documentations :/23:32
ari-tczewRiddell: Done.23:32
Riddellrickspencer3: silly docs, it was in some betas but they pulled it because it wasn't stable enough23:33
rickspencer3thanks Riddell23:34
debfxRiddell: http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/03/01/qt-quick-1-0-and-beyond-or-the-post-of-many-links/ says the quick designer is part of qtcreator 2.123:37
rickspencer3Riddell, debfx any idea why the Run buttons would be disabled?23:54
rickspencer3they worked when I created the project, I changed one thing in the QML, and now it won't work :/23:54

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