[00:06] <nixternal> simmah down now
[00:10] <ScottK> nixternal: Quote of the day: "<sabdfl> Ubuntu service revenue rightfully belongs with Canonical..."
[00:10] <ScottK> Makes it pretty clear the rest of us are just here for the fun of it.
[00:10] <nixternal> yeah, sabdfl has lost his fucking mind
[00:11] <nixternal> arch linux could always use some developers, but you can't propose any patches :p
[00:12] <nixternal> but ScottK at the same time, you have to remember that revenue pays for community people to get to a UDS
[00:13] <ScottK> nixternal: Sure, but I'm giving up a week of consulting revenue to go.  I think I'm making a bigger sacrifice.
[00:14] <nixternal> you are, but that's on you. you don't see me going to UDS anymore
[00:15] <ScottK> Well I didn't apply for this one yet.
[00:15] <nixternal> i won't even waste my time. the last 2 i applied for i got turned down
[00:16] <apachelogger> well
[00:16] <apachelogger> there is meego
[00:16] <apachelogger> a) you get cute stuff
[00:16] <nixternal> haha, meego...i just spit all over the place
[00:16] <apachelogger> b) notmark uses it
[00:16] <apachelogger> c) intel uses it
[00:16] <apachelogger> d) work for intel and beat up keith for shitty drivers
[00:17] <ScottK> Can't work for Intel.  Don't live in Portland or Texas.
[00:17] <nixternal> i use kubuntu, because i know you all are doing an awesome job. mobile devices, it is only android for me, the rest is useless
[00:17] <nixternal> i also use arch, fedora, and suse
[00:18] <nixternal> but i am thinking my next laptop will probably be a mac
[00:18] <apachelogger> nixternal: wait for kubuntu mobile
[00:18] <apachelogger> also
[00:18] <apachelogger> Phonon is working on an own OS
[00:19] <nixternal> right, and what will kubuntu mobile run on? nothing i currently own right
[00:19] <apachelogger> and soon declaring war on DVDs I hear
[00:19] <apachelogger> nixternal: actually, with some tweaking this can be made happen
[00:19] <ScottK> nixternal: n900 is the first, but not last, target.
[00:19] <apachelogger> all them android phones run the same shitty board type
[00:19] <nixternal> right, the n900, is that thing even relevant?
[00:20] <apachelogger> which happens to be the same the n900 is using
[00:20] <nixternal> how much are they?
[00:20] <nixternal> have you guys seen ubuntu run on an android phone? i worked on a rom for the droid eris, it sucks
[00:21] <apachelogger> we are not talking about ubuntu
[00:21] <nixternal> right, and kde is that much faster right?
[00:22] <nixternal> debian with lxde wasn't bad, but it wasn't good either
[00:22] <apachelogger> ...
[00:22] <apachelogger> how much do you know about the hardware of those devices? :P
[00:22] <apachelogger> actually
[00:22] <claydoh> why doesn't anyone do a kde type of interface for android, more along the lines of touchwiz rather than an entires OS?
[00:22] <apachelogger> KDE got one thing ubuntu does not have
[00:22] <apachelogger> the supreme overlord master emperator general lord of phonon
[00:22] <nixternal> here is a question, and the only reason i ask is because i haven't been around....why would ubuntu/kubuntu want to target mobile devices when there is already a clear and proven leader from the linux side there?
[00:23] <apachelogger> claydoh: cause Qt only got available on android :P
[00:23] <apachelogger> actually there is already talk going on about porting kdelibs
[00:23] <nixternal> apachelogger: i know enough on the hardware to be dangerous. i am cooking roms for droid phones as we speak :)
[00:23] <apachelogger> but it is a long shot from that to KDE apps on android
[00:23] <claydoh> nixternal: thats sort of my next question :)
[00:23] <apachelogger> as android cannot do regular qwidgets to my knowledge
[00:23] <apachelogger> nixternal: my mom can do a rom :P
[00:23] <apachelogger> anyhow
[00:23] <nixternal> android has its own widgets, what would make qwidgets better?
[00:23] <claydoh> no, not apps just the look n feel, more or less
[00:24] <nixternal> apachelogger: patches to android as well if that counts for anything, just the browser so far
[00:24] <apachelogger> what all those ubuntus-for-you-name-it-phone ports have in common is lack of the most vital piece of software
[00:24] <apachelogger> namely the graphics driver
[00:24] <apachelogger> or rather the underlying libraries to make that thing faster
[00:25] <nixternal> if qt can make android better, then i am all for it, but at this point in time, i don't see how you could make the android interface any better...though qt could have their own stuff like htc does with the sense
[00:25] <apachelogger> clearly you are biased :P
[00:25] <nixternal> apachelogger: tegra2 has good graphics :)
[00:25]  * claydoh has no clue on these thing as he has no phone, and the mrs will not let him play with hers - he would probably "fix" too many things
[00:26] <apachelogger> oh
[00:26] <apachelogger> did I mention that Phonon supports tegra2
[00:26] <apachelogger> did I mention that qtmm does not
[00:26] <claydoh> nixternal: exzctly a kde or qt like layer like sense or touchwiz
[00:27] <claydoh> ok, is kde 4.6.1 expected for alpha3?
[00:27] <nixternal> time to eat, back in a few
[00:27]  * apachelogger thinks doing apps in Qt makes more sense than that
[00:28] <apachelogger> especially since you would render all widgets useless
[00:31] <ScottK> claydoh: I don't think so.  I think right after.
[00:34] <claydoh> so not much new for a3, outside of filesharing, and printer config, anf language selector kcm?
[00:35]  * apachelogger thinks that is plenty
[00:35] <ScottK> Compiles on armel.
[00:35] <ScottK> Not clear if it works though.
[00:35] <apachelogger> ScottK: are you attending the meeting tomorrow to get gcc stuff moving?
[00:35] <ScottK> apachelogger: I'm planning on attending the Ubuntu platform team meeting and bringing it up there.
[00:35] <apachelogger> kthx
[00:36] <apachelogger> I shall look at the n900 kernel tomorrow
[00:36] <ScottK> Thanks.
[00:36]  * apachelogger got a project management class from 8 to 13 -.-
[00:36] <ScottK> It would be nice to get gcc fixed before we upload 4.6.1.
[00:36] <apachelogger> most definitely
[00:39] <ScottK> apachelogger: What bug is it we're after getting fixed?
[00:39] <apachelogger> kubotu: google gcc launchpad qt unity segfault
[00:39] <kubotu> Results for gcc launchpad qt unity segfault: 1. [Bug 705689] Re: unity-2d-launcher crashes with segfault error on ...: http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg2734783.html | 2. [Bug 705689] Re: QT applications crash with segfault error on ...: http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg2740986.html
[00:39] <kubotu> 3. [ubuntu] "Segmentation fault" When install Nokia QT - Ubuntu Forums: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1609526
[00:39] <apachelogger> that one ^^
[00:39] <ScottK> Thanks.
[00:39] <apachelogger> I love how related stuff always comes up first in search results :D
[00:40] <apachelogger> stupid bug -.-
[00:42] <ScottK> apachelogger: Maybe we could do some magic in pkg-kde-tools to force gcc 4.4 on armel until this is fixed for all KDE packages?
[00:42] <ScottK> Gotta run.  
[00:43] <apachelogger> phonon would require manual fix at least
[00:43] <apachelogger> I do not think we are using pkg-kde-tools there
[00:43] <apachelogger> ScottK: worth considering though
[00:44] <apachelogger> qca might need a manual fix too
[00:44] <apachelogger> and strigi
[00:44] <apachelogger> that should get us to a working plasma-mobiel it would seem from ldd
[02:47] <c2tarun> Can anyone help me with this error: E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/private-ppa.launchpad.net_kubuntu-ninjas_ppa_ubuntu_dists_natty_main_source_Sources - open (2: No such file or directory)     I got this when installing build-dependencies for attica.
[03:17] <c2tarun> Can anyone please help me with this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/574265/
[03:27] <claydoh> c2tarun: do you have libqt4-qmake installed? No expert here, but you may be missing that package
[03:27] <c2tarun> claydoh: it is installed but not in build-depends of the package i'll add it there :)
[03:29] <c2tarun> claydoh: you sure its libqt4-qmake or qt4-qmake?
[03:30] <claydoh> my memory, bad as it is, vaguely remembers something similar from long ago.....
[03:30] <claydoh> iirc qt4-qmake, unless it is using qt3
[03:31] <c2tarun> I looked on apt-cache search and it returned qt4-qmake. The problem is I installed it on my system and added it to build-depends of control file, still I am getting same erorr
[03:36] <claydoh> hmm may have to point it to wherever qmake is, 
[03:37] <claydoh> hmmm pkg-kde-tools may have the helper scripts that , um, help, in finding kde/qt things iirc
[03:37] <c2tarun> claydoh: yup and I just checked FindQt4.cmake file is there, so either something wrong with FindQt4.cmake file or I am not able to understand the prob.
[03:38] <c2tarun> claydoh: I think the tool about which you are talking is apt-cache search?
[03:38] <claydoh> c2tarun: dunno, I *think* I needed pkg-kde-tools last time I set up building kmymoney, it couldn't find qmake iirc
[03:38] <c2tarun> claydoh: hmm...
[03:39] <claydoh> pkg-kde-tools have helper scripts/snippets specific 
[03:39] <claydoh> for kde
[03:40] <claydoh> b ut again I really don't have a complete clue :)
[03:43] <c2tarun> claydoh: this error is due to something else or what? I tried another package and I got exactly same error :/
[03:45] <claydoh> something is missing, but what I cann ot say :/ something qt related, obviously. did you install pkg-kde-tools?
[03:46] <c2tarun> claydoh: yup
[03:48] <claydoh> so all the experts and professionals must be asleep :/
[03:48] <c2tarun> may be :P
[03:48] <claydoh> c2tarun: it has to be something simple
[03:49] <c2tarun> claydoh: I also think so, I asked on #ubuntu-motu as well, experts seems to be sleeping there as well :(
[03:49] <nhandler> x/55
[03:49] <claydoh> what you building?
[03:50] <c2tarun> attica
[03:50] <cpatrick08>  /msg NickServ identify Bama08
[03:50] <claydoh> nhandler: that some soper sekrit code?
[03:50] <claydoh> lolz
[03:50] <nhandler> claydoh: lol, nope. Just me messing up an irssi command ;)
[03:51] <claydoh> thats why I stick to quassel core pointy clicky
[03:59] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, but then you can't do the run ssh server and always on and always accress
[03:59] <DarkwingDuck> *access
[04:00] <claydoh> DarkwingDuck: i do run ssh server, and a quassel core on my desktop, quassel client on my laptop
[04:01] <claydoh> so I always have a backlog to read
[04:02] <claydoh> c2tarun: soeey i have no answer for your problem, I know one of the fine devs will have it tho
[04:02] <claydoh> s/sorry/soeey
[04:03]  * claydoh sleeps
[04:06] <c2tarun> claydoh:  sure no prob :) thanks for helping
[04:07] <DarkwingDuck> c2tarun: what are you trying to do?
[04:08] <c2tarun> DarkwingDuck: building pckage attica
[04:08] <DarkwingDuck> You're trying to build it to a deb?
[04:09] <c2tarun> DarkwingDuck: I looked on this page https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging there was a package named attica I thought to build it and upload it to ppa
[04:11] <DarkwingDuck> I'm still in baby mode for packaging...
[04:12] <c2tarun> DarkwingDuck: no prob :) well wait for an expert
[04:12]  * c2tarun experts ping
[04:12] <DarkwingDuck> sorry c2tarun 
[04:13] <c2tarun> DarkwingDuck: why sorry, I am a noob as well, just packed only few times :) dont worry
[04:16] <DarkwingDuck> :)
[04:17] <DarkwingDuck> Well, i've been around long enough that I should know by now.
[04:18] <c2tarun> DarkwingDuck: do you have a natty chroot?
[04:18] <DarkwingDuck> Not here I don't.
[05:17] <c2tarun> need help with this problem http://paste.ubuntu.com/574265/ 
[06:45] <shadeslayer> c2tarun:   Qt qmake not found!
[06:45] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: which package?
[06:45] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: and you need to add qt4-qmake as a build depends
[06:47] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: all tried , package is attica
[06:47] <shadeslayer> hmm..
[06:47] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: try installing libqt4-dev 
[06:47] <shadeslayer> and then try again
[06:48] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: its already installed.
[06:48] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: complete build log please then
[06:48] <shadeslayer> and what are you trying to do exactly
[06:49] <c2tarun> I was trying to build attica on natty machine, I got it from this page https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging
[06:50] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: here is the full build log http://paste.ubuntu.com/574316/
[06:53] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: i see 0.2.80 is already the latest release and in natty
[06:53] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/attica/0.2.80-0ubuntu2
[06:54] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: actually I pulled it from natty archive only, and it failed to build on natty machine.
[06:54]  * shadeslayer tries
[06:56] <shadeslayer> uhh
[06:56] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: compiles fine here
[06:56] <ulysses> - Mit rontottál el, ha a feleséged váratlanul bejön a konyhából és pofon vág?
[06:56] <ulysses> - ???
[06:56] <ulysses> sorry
[06:56] <c2tarun> what??
[06:56] <shadeslayer> ulysses: english please
[06:56] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: http://paste.kde.org/6187
[06:57] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: how did you get the source code? apt-get?
[06:57] <shadeslayer> pull-lp-source attica
[06:58] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: I tried again, its no building on mine?
[06:58] <c2tarun> :( why so?
[06:59] <shadeslayer> lemme have a look at the full log
[06:59] <shadeslayer> eh
[06:59] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: paste the whole log, from the time pbuilder started downloading things
[07:00] <c2tarun> ehmm... I didn't used pbuilder, I build it on my natty and all build-deps are installed correctly
[07:00] <shadeslayer> err 
[07:00] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: try debuild-pbuilder
[07:00] <shadeslayer> instead of debuild :)
[07:01] <shadeslayer> ( that install's any packages that are missing )
[07:01] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: hmm.... but still mate my chroot not working might be a problem for me :( when I'll work on other package it will be a problem
[07:02] <shadeslayer> the problem  is you don't have a build dep installed
[07:02] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: how do you build the package ? what command?
[07:03] <c2tarun> debuild -b -us -uc
[07:04] <shadeslayer> -b ?what does -b do?
[07:05] <shadeslayer> nothing in the man page
[07:05] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: it builds binary package
[07:05] <shadeslayer>        Change the "-b" to "-S" to build only a source package.
[07:05] <shadeslayer> hmm
[07:06] <shadeslayer> iirc debuild would inform you if the packages are not installed
[07:06] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: use a chroot to build packages .... 
[07:07] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: I was inside chroot when I executed this command ;)
[07:08] <shadeslayer> uh... you have to run dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -nc to start the build
[07:08] <shadeslayer> not debuild
[07:08] <shadeslayer> so try that ^^
[07:08]  * c2tarun trying
[07:09] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: actually debuild calls dpkg-buildpacakge for us.
[07:09] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: look at first line of manpage Description of debuild
[07:10] <shadeslayer> yes but i'm specifying more options :)
[07:10] <c2tarun> what I normally do is, first I build a package on a chroot. If it builds successfully than I test it on pbuilder. If chroot is not working properly this will be a problem for me :(
[07:11] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: so you have a seprate chroot and a seprate pbuilder?
[07:11] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: yup
[07:11] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: you know you can use your pbuilder as a clean chroot?
[07:12] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: yes, but pbuilder takes lots of time in installing every dependency each time I want to test. but chroot installs and save :) so I use chroot for buildin once and then finally I use pbuilder for testing :)
[07:13] <shadeslayer> well what i do for new packages is, log into my pbuilder, install stuff and build the package, so that i don't run into issues like these :P
[07:14] <c2tarun> obviously that is a better as it is saving disk space of one additional chroot :)
[07:15] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: pastebin output of dpkg -l 
[07:15] <shadeslayer> from inside the chroot
[07:16] <shadeslayer> installing pastebinit will help in this case :D
[07:16] <c2tarun> what is pastebinit?
[07:17] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: http://paste.kde.org/6188/
[07:17] <shadeslayer> !pastebinit
[07:18] <c2tarun> wow :)
[07:19] <shadeslayer> weird, you have all the deps
[07:19] <shadeslayer> and yet it fails
[07:19] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: yep :(
[07:20] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: do you think we have to setup any env var for cmake errors?
[07:21] <shadeslayer> env var for cmake errors? no
[07:21] <shadeslayer> hmm
[07:21] <c2tarun> any Qt related env var?
[07:22] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: cd to the src dir and then : mkdir build;cd build; cmake ..
[07:22] <shadeslayer> and pastebin the output
[07:23] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: sorry, not getting, which src directory?
[07:23] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: it should be called attica-0.2.80
[07:23] <shadeslayer> the one which has the source code :)
[07:24] <c2tarun> ok then I should make build directory?
[07:24] <shadeslayer> yes
[07:25] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: http://paste.kde.org/6189/
[07:27] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: mate I am very sorry to say I gotta go (its mahashivratri ;)) I'll back in couple of hours, very sorry. if you find anything please message me. Thank you :)
[07:27] <shadeslayer> yep.. sure ... i know it's shivratri today :P
[08:29] <bambee> morning
[08:31] <shadeslayer> hey bambee
[08:32] <shadeslayer> morning
[08:37] <bambee> :)
[08:45] <hrw> morning
[08:45] <hrw> how to tell nepomuk to shut up?
[08:45] <hrw> I got 14GB of ~/.xsession-errors
[08:46] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: ping
[08:50] <bambee> hrw: systemsettings->desktop research
[08:50] <bambee> (or something like that)
[08:50] <bambee> then uncheck "Enable Nepomuk semantic Desktop"
[08:51] <hrw> bambee: I am fine with nepomuk working but I do not like GBs of logs generated by it
[08:52] <bambee> ohhh to shut up...  I'm not awake yet xD
[08:52]  * bambee needs coffee
[08:52]  * hrw needs a time to reconsider move to xfce
[08:53] <hrw> kde 4.6 starts to be pain in the ass too much
[08:53] <hrw> and my desktop does not runs 1GHz atom
[08:56] <debfx> hrw: run kdebugdialog
[08:57] <hrw> thx
[08:57] <Tm_T> also this is not (mainly) a support channel...
[08:58] <hrw> ok
[08:58] <c2tarun> need help with this error http://paste.kde.org/6190/  , this package builds succesfully on shadeslayer's pbuilder. but It failed on my natty chroot why so? :(
[08:59]  * thebigcheese grumbles about win7 partitions not co/operating
[09:10] <tsimpson> c2tarun: because pbuilder installs the needed build-deps, which you would need to do manually in a chroot
[09:11] <c2tarun> tsimpson: I did that, my chroot satisfies the build-deps for the package.
[09:11] <tsimpson> line 24:  Qt qmake not found!
[09:12] <tsimpson> does it have qt4-dev-tools?
[09:13] <c2tarun> tsimpson: that lines requires qt4-dev-tools or qmake-qt4?
[09:13] <tsimpson> qmake is usually in qt4-dev-tools iirc
[09:14] <c2tarun> tsimpson: ok, its not installed, but still I executed apt-get build-dep for the package. do you qt4-dev-tools should be included into build-Depends of the package?
[09:14] <tsimpson> run "dpkg-checkbuilddeps" from the extracted source and see if it complains
[09:15] <c2tarun> tsimpson: nope it didn't complained
[09:17] <tsimpson> !find bin/qmake-qt4
[09:18] <tsimpson> ok, it's qt4-qmake, not -dev-tools
[09:19] <c2tarun> tsimpson: than qt4-qmake is installed on my system.
[09:19] <tsimpson> and in the chroot?
[09:21] <c2tarun> tsimpson: by system I meant chroot :) sorry for wrong choice of words
[09:31] <tsimpson> odd
[09:33] <c2tarun> tsimpson: yup :( still I am installing dev-tools as soon as it will be done, i'll try again
[09:34] <tsimpson> c2tarun: can you just check in the chroot what the outputs of "qmake -query QT_VERSION" and "qmake-qt4 -query QT_VERSION" are
[09:35] <tsimpson> (they both should be the same)
[09:35] <tsimpson> if both of those work in your chroot, then I can't see why FindQt4.cmake is failing
[09:35] <c2tarun> tsimpson: sure I'll try that as soon as installation of qt4-dev-tools ends ;)
[09:37] <shadeslayer> tsimpson: for some reason it's not picking up qmake
[09:46]  * markey_nokia wonders why his QML Designer does not work in Creator... I must be missing some component
[09:46] <markey_nokia> the icon always stays gray
[09:46] <markey_nokia> on Windows, it works fine
[09:46] <markey_nokia> and at home too
[09:46] <markey_nokia> *scratches beard*
[09:47] <shadeslayer> yeah there are different componentws
[09:47] <shadeslayer> *components
[09:48] <c2tarun> tsimpson: qmake -query QT_VERSION **Unknown** and qmake-qt4 -query QT_VERSION 4.7.1
[09:48] <shadeslayer> markey_nokia: http://paste.kde.org/6192
[09:49] <tsimpson> c2tarun: I'm guessing that /usr/bin/qmake is the Qt3 qmake
[09:50] <c2tarun> tsimpson: may be, how to fix that?
[09:50] <shadeslayer> ah
[09:50] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: remove qmake-qt3 :P
[09:50] <tsimpson> it's set from update-alternatives
[09:51] <shadeslayer> or that ^
[09:51] <c2tarun> so I should just execute update-alternatives?
[09:51] <tsimpson> "sudo update-alternatives qmake" I think
[09:51] <tsimpson> erm "sudo update-alternatives --config qmake"
[09:51] <tsimpson> and choose qmake-qt4
[09:53] <c2tarun> it worked :) actually how did you figured this out?
[09:54] <tsimpson> by reading the FindQt4.cmake file 
[09:54] <tsimpson> it actually checks for "Unknown", but apparently not "**Unknown**"
[09:54] <c2tarun> I mean how didi you figured these two commands? "qmake -query QT_VERSION" and "qmake-qt4 -query QT_VERSION"
[09:54] <tsimpson> someone should go and fix that ;)
[09:54] <tsimpson> ^ by reading the FindQt4.cmake file 
[09:55] <tsimpson> EXEC_PROGRAM(${QT_QMAKE_EXECUTABLE} ARGS "-query QT_VERSION" OUTPUT_VARIABLE QTVERSION)
[09:55] <tsimpson> that gets the output from (whatever QT_QMAKE_EXECUTABLE is) -query QT_VERSION
[09:56] <tsimpson> and FindQt4.cmake checks for qmake, qmake4, qmake-qt4, and qmake-mac
[09:56] <tsimpson> *in that order*
[09:56] <shadeslayer> hmm
[09:57] <shadeslayer> in the past 2 days itself i've come to hate CMake
[09:57] <tsimpson> it checks if the output is "Unknown" and then looks for qmake4 and qmake-qt4
[09:57] <markey_nokia> shadeslayer: thanks!
[09:57] <tsimpson> but apparently qmake-qt3 ouputs "**Unknown**"?
[09:57] <c2tarun> tsimpson: just curious what language is in FindQt4.cmake file?
[09:58] <tsimpson> c2tarun: in cmake language
[09:58] <shadeslayer> sure no problem 
[09:58] <c2tarun> tsimpson: and you know cmake language. grt :)
[09:58] <tsimpson> I wouldn't say I *know* it, but I can read it :)
[10:01] <shadeslayer> oooh http://www.webupd8.org/2011/03/ubuntu-live-cd-will-let-you-upgrade-to.html
[10:01] <shadeslayer> will we have that as well?
[10:01] <shadeslayer> the installer looks awesome now
[10:01] <c2tarun> on this page https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging the packages not taken by anyone. what does it mean? they ftbfs on natty?
[10:05] <Riddell> c2tarun: what's not taken?
[10:06] <c2tarun> Riddell: the packages which dont have any name in fron of them
[10:06] <shadeslayer> i'll take up workspace
[10:08] <Riddell> c2tarun: the ones with dashes mean they have no new versions
[10:08] <c2tarun> Riddell: okey... and the with names in front of them?
[10:11] <Riddell> c2tarun: with a name infront of them ments that person should be working on it with the status which is in the next column
[10:11] <c2tarun>  Riddell: ok and no names and no dashes?
[10:13] <Riddell> means nobody is working on it
[10:13] <c2tarun> Riddell: nobody is working and newer version is available upstream right?
[10:14] <Riddell> c2tarun: yes
[10:14] <c2tarun> okay so they are the only work that needs to be done.
[10:15] <Riddell> yes
[10:15] <c2tarun> gocha :)
[10:38] <c2tarun> there is package named kde-l10n. its not in natty but only in debian, how can i get the source code of that package?
[10:40] <Riddell> c2tarun: kde-l10n means the many packages one for each language, eg. kde-l10n-fr for french
[10:40] <Riddell> (debian put them all into one massive source package for some reason)
[10:40] <Riddell> packaging it needs lots of bandwidth, disk space and time
[10:40] <debfx> Riddell: bug #727386 has the list of kde3 packages (in case you haven't seen it)
[10:41] <c2tarun> Riddell: is there anything to do? I mean any package needs upgradation?
[10:42] <shadeslayer> dpkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of file plasma/generic/runners/kill/plasma-runner-kill.desktop
[10:42] <shadeslayer> O_O
[10:42] <shadeslayer> i guess the tarball didn't uncompress properly ..
[10:43] <Riddell> c2tarun: sure, most of maverick
[10:44] <c2tarun> ok so i'll prepare a mav chroot first and then i'll pick one. thank you
[10:44] <Riddell> c2tarun: you can still use that ec2 machine
[10:44] <Riddell> it's still running
[10:44] <Riddell> ubuntu@ec2-50-16-53-139.compute-1.amazonaws.com
[10:45] <c2tarun> wow :) thanks 
[10:45] <shadeslayer> ec2++
[10:47]  * c2tarun I'll take kdesdk
[10:54] <c2tarun> what version should I set for kdesdk will this be ok? 4:4.6.0-0ubuntu3~maverick~ppa1
[10:55] <Riddell> c2tarun: nope
[10:55] <Riddell> 4:4.6.1-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1
[10:56] <c2tarun> why ubuntu1?
[10:56] <Riddell> ubuntu1 is the version in the ubuntu archive, this is built from the first version in the ubuntu archive
[10:57] <c2tarun> ok, and why 4.6.1?
[10:57] <Riddell> 4.6.1 is the upstream KDE version
[10:57] <c2tarun> upstream version is 4.6.0 I guess.
[10:57] <Riddell> no it's 4.6.1 here
[10:57] <Riddell> 4.6.0 is the old version and 4.6.1 is the new release we're packaging
[10:58] <shadeslayer> oh crapz
[10:58] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what have you done?
[10:58] <shadeslayer> Riddell: nothing serious
[10:59] <c2tarun> hmm... there is no watch file in there. from where can I get the latest version?
[10:59] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i'm copying kdebindings 4.5.90 to ninja's
[10:59] <shadeslayer> er
[10:59] <Riddell> c2tarun: from ktown
[10:59] <Riddell> c2tarun: actually, apt-get source it
[10:59] <shadeslayer> to make kdebase-workspace work
[10:59] <Riddell> you'll get the natty version from natty PPA
[11:00] <shadeslayer> ~np
[11:00] <kubotu> shadeslayer_ is listening to "04 Mumford And Sons - Roll Away Your Stone" by [unknown] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/shadeslayer_ for more
[11:01] <c2tarun> Riddell: something is wrong :/ are you aware that I am working with kdesdk package?
[11:01] <c2tarun> Riddell: ok, sorry natty ppa is not enabled on that ec2
[11:01] <shadeslayer> y u timeout launchpad
[11:01] <c2tarun> Riddell: i'll get that enabled.
[11:02] <Riddell> c2tarun: it should be, it's in sources.list
[11:03] <c2tarun> well yeah its there... :/ still on apt-get source I got version 4.6.0
[11:03] <c2tarun> Riddell: ^^
[11:05] <Riddell> c2tarun: try an  apt-get update
[11:06] <c2tarun> Riddell: got one :)
[11:12] <bambee> kubuntu desktop amd64 (20110302) tested => it works just fine here
[11:20]  * c2tarun hooo kdesdk is quite big package taking lots of time in building
[11:21] <Riddell> c2tarun: yes, kdetoys is one of the few small ones
[11:26]  * shadeslayer just registered for the Desktop Summit
[11:37] <shadeslayer> hmm .. can anyone open the build log here : https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+buildjob/2295261
[11:38] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes, opens in ark
[11:38] <shadeslayer> i cant :S
[11:39] <shadeslayer> heh
[11:39] <shadeslayer> stupid chromium
[11:40] <tazz> shadeslayer, opes in ff
[11:40] <shadeslayer> yeah chromium issue iirc
[11:41] <shadeslayer> oooh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VisI7VWwL_g&feature=autofb
[11:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: contextless youtube link, what is it?
[11:44] <shadeslayer> Riddell: it's a ad for QML
[11:46] <Riddell> I wonder what the phone is in that advert, presumably an unspecified non-existing device to put Qt onto
[11:47] <shadeslayer> Looked like the N900 to me
[11:58] <shadeslayer> er
[11:58] <shadeslayer> Riddell: should " Debian, supply most of our packages" be changed to " Debian, supplies most of our packages" ?
[11:58] <shadeslayer> on kubuntu.org
[11:59] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yeah can do
[11:59] <shadeslayer> kewl :D
[12:01] <Riddell> I also had a request to put GNU on there but I think we can't list every upstream
[12:01] <shadeslayer> yeah ..
[12:03] <shadeslayer> any idea's on how to fix kdebindings 4.5.90
[12:03] <shadeslayer> i feel like i'm banging my head against a wall when i look at kdebindings
[12:03] <Riddell> I'm not sure you can, if it doesn't compile with kdelibs 4.6
[12:04] <shadeslayer> in that case .. no kdebase-workspace for now
[12:06] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ah hah, it's smoke and ksambashare
[12:06] <Riddell> there's a patch for that in natty packages
[12:06] <Riddell> shadeslayer: try applying the patch to 4.5.90
[12:07] <Riddell> kubuntu_05_ksambasharedata.diff
[12:09] <Riddell> hi bambee, I take it you haven't come across bug 726581 in your testing?
[12:11] <bambee> Riddell: nop, install finished correctly without any errors
[12:12] <Riddell> bambee: you're done two test installs right?  
[12:12] <bambee> right "entire disk" and "manual partitionning"
[12:12] <bambee> both worked
[12:13] <Riddell> so I wonder if that bug only happens on i386
[12:13] <Riddell> trying amd64 now to see if I get it there or not
[12:13] <bambee> strange
[12:14] <c2tarun> just curious, what is the maximum time any package took to build?
[12:15] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: lol, the pissing commences: http://nowwhatthe.blogspot.com/2011/03/libreoffice-and-opensuse-114.html
[12:15] <Riddell> c2tarun: qt takes about 18 hours on ARM
[12:16] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: Jos really likes to slag off Canonical recently
[12:16] <JontheEchidna> yeah, it's become real obvious as of late
[12:17] <jussi> Perhaps with his new job on the other side of the fence, his influences are such that it happens
[12:18] <JontheEchidna> I think it's rather unbecoming of somebody in that position
[12:18] <Riddell> agreed
[12:18] <jussi> JontheEchidna: I tend to agree, however, when you spend a lot of time with persons who are biased, you often become so yourself. 
[12:19] <jussi> Oh yeah, that reminds me, I need to file a bug. What package do I file against for bugs in the partitioning part of the installer? 
[12:19] <JontheEchidna> I've never seen anything but respect from his counterpart on the Ubuntu side of things, and especially I've not seen thinly-veiled insults from Jono
[12:20] <JontheEchidna> s/insults/insinuations
[12:21] <Riddell> in other news some chap called Mark Shuttleworth just created an account on identity.kde.org :)
[12:21] <bambee> Riddell: I will test for i386 this afternoon
[12:21] <bambee> just in case
[12:21] <bambee> but I'm sure it worked just fine this morning
[12:22] <JontheEchidna> bambee: oh, I wanted to tell you something I noticed about language-selector
[12:22] <JontheEchidna> I think it would make a lot of sense to at least check the "Translations" component checkbox when you first select a language from the install list
[12:23] <jussi> Riddell: epic :D 
[12:23] <JontheEchidna> since probably all usecases of installing lang support include installing translations
[12:23] <bambee> JontheEchidna: indeed... I agree
[12:24] <Riddell> I think they should all be ticked
[12:24] <Riddell> rarely do you want only some language support
[12:24] <c2tarun> Riddell: can you take a look at that ec2 machine.
[12:24] <JontheEchidna> even better :)
[12:24] <JontheEchidna> bbiab
[12:24] <bambee> JontheEchidna: I'll fix it this afternoon
[12:25] <bambee> (it's a bug fix... so I can right ?)
[12:25] <bambee> :)
[12:25] <Riddell> c2tarun: library symbols breakage!
[12:26] <c2tarun> Riddell: never encountered one. any documentation on it?
[12:27] <Riddell> c2tarun: since it didn't happen when compiling on natty I conclude it happens because of the different gcc compiler version
[12:27] <Riddell> (the other reason this would happen is if the source code to the libraries was changed such that it changed the symbols, but that would have shown up on natty)
[12:27] <c2tarun> what do you mean by symbols
[12:27] <c2tarun> ?
[12:28] <Riddell> c2tarun: symbols are the items in programming libraries (libkastencore4 in this case) which get used by programmes
[12:28] <Riddell> if they change you usually need to recompile all the programmes which use that library
[12:28] <Riddell> change or get removed, new symbols are fine
[12:28] <c2tarun> but I think compilation end up here succesfully.
[12:29] <Riddell> in this case the change is only due to the different compiler on maverick so I don't think it's worth worrying about it
[12:30] <Riddell> easy workaround is rm debian/*symbols
[12:30] <Riddell> then run debuild -nc  to continue the package building
[12:30] <Riddell> you could also run batchpatch as described here http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/symbolfiles.html
[12:32] <c2tarun> I am still not getting a bit, symbols are used by the programs right? then how can we simply replace the symbols file without any proper replacement?
[12:32] <c2tarun> Riddell: ^^
[12:33] <Riddell> c2tarun: the .symbols file is a check for packagers to ensure no symbols have been changed or removed
[12:33] <Riddell> if we were packaging for natty and symbols had been changed or removed (as happened with kdenetwork) we would need to consult with upstream what to do
[12:34] <Riddell> but here they have been removed (compared to natty) because of the different gcc version, so I'm happy to ignore the issue
[12:34] <c2tarun> ok, got it :) i'll remove the symbols file
[12:37] <Riddell> shadeslayer, yofel: dot editors are discussing publishing the neon story, if you don't want it published best tell them
[12:55] <c2tarun> Riddell: should I mention removing symbols file in d/changelog?
[13:07] <shadeslayer> Riddell: tell them not to publish it atm
[13:12] <bambee> JontheEchidna: language-selector checkboxes are checked automatically only when the corresponding language component is installed actually... so if "transactions" isn't installed but checked as default it's confusing
[13:13] <bambee> nop ?
[13:13] <bambee> I understood what you meant earlier...but how make differences ?
[13:18] <Riddell> c2tarun: yeah
[13:23] <c2tarun> Riddell: I am changing my name in changelog but while rebuild source package its getting reset. What should I do? I mean how to run debuild -S
[13:28]  * Quintasan wonders why there is no RAID and/or LVM creation option in the graphical installer
[13:30] <yofel> good, kdegraphics builds without libkexiv2-9.symbols
[13:30] <Riddell> c2tarun: ?  just run debuild -S
[13:31] <Riddell> your name needs to match the one on your gpg key
[13:31] <c2tarun> Riddell: I am doing that, but when I am trying to sign the package form my system, I am not able to sing and getting this error gpg: skipped "Kubuntu Developers <kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com>": secret key not available
[13:33] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/why-apachelogger-loves-qt-and-phonon.mkv
[13:33] <c2tarun> Riddell: ping
[13:34] <JontheEchidna> bambee: in the install tab, when you click on an uninstalled language you have to manually tick the "Components:" chechboxes to install anything
[13:34] <JontheEchidna> which is a bit confusing since the apply button is clickable at that point
[13:35] <bambee> JontheEchidna: yes and if you click on a partial installed language "installed components" wil be checked... so it's confusing :)
[13:35] <Riddell> c2tarun: what command are you running to sign it?
[13:35] <c2tarun> Riddell: debsign -r ubuntu@ec2-50-16-53-139.compute-1.amazonaws.com:~/kdesdk/kdesdk_4.6.1-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1.dsc   
[13:35] <bambee> JontheEchidna: the apply button shouldn't be clickable if nothing is checked indeed...
[13:35] <Riddell> c2tarun: it's the .changes file you want
[13:35] <bambee> I agree about that
[13:35] <c2tarun> Riddell: I dont think this command is a prob, the prob is what in dsc file
[13:36] <Riddell> kdesdk_4.6.1-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1_source.changes
[13:36] <c2tarun> not .dsc but changes?
[13:36] <JontheEchidna> bambee: perhaps all components should just be installed by default, and the checkboxes aren't shown on the install tab, but only on the uninstall tab?
[13:37] <bambee> in this cases gtk frontend features are useless ...
[13:37] <JontheEchidna> well, it is gtk ;-)
[13:37] <JontheEchidna> they are not known for their usefulness :P
[13:37] <bambee> lol
[13:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: wow
[13:37] <shadeslayer> so it's trivial to make a media player now :P
[13:37] <apachelogger> ^^
[13:38] <apachelogger> screw dragon, you can now build your own player in like 30 seconds ^^
[13:38] <shadeslayer> haha :D
[13:38] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: you should do a blog in response to rspencer's make-a-media-player-in-10-minutes-with-Quickly blogs
[13:39] <apachelogger> ah
[13:39] <JontheEchidna> that are all the time on planet ubuntu
[13:39] <c2tarun> Riddell: its signed :) you wanna take a look before I upload it?
[13:39]  * apachelogger is not following the planets no moar
[13:41] <JontheEchidna> http://theravingrick.blogspot.com/2011/01/quickly-tutorial-for-natty-diy-media.html
[13:41] <apachelogger> oh
[13:41] <apachelogger> canonical is raping gnome
[13:42] <bambee> JontheEchidna: so to install just extra fonts for "chinese" I should install everything... then uninstall not wanted components ?
[13:42] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what would one be blogging in response?
[13:42] <bambee> even more confusing 
[13:42] <apachelogger> "10 minutes? I have better things to do... [inser video]"
[13:43] <JontheEchidna> bambee: I would think that most users don't care and don't even have to know that extra fonts are being installed
[13:43] <JontheEchidna> they just know that if they click chinese and hit apply, then things will work
[13:44] <JontheEchidna> and if the user does care, then he can uninstall the extra fonts in the uninstall tab
[13:44] <JontheEchidna> in my opinion, anyway
[13:45] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: how to create a media player in 30 seconds
[13:47] <bambee> no other opinions about that ? both point of views are correct... I think... nop ?
[13:47] <bambee> JontheEchidna: you point of view is interesting and correct, but apply changes like that in a bugfix...
[13:48] <bambee> (the change is trivial to do, but it's not really a bugfix... it's a feature change)
[13:49] <bambee> imho
[13:49] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: kk
[13:49] <bambee> however if nothing is selected "apply" shouldn't be clickable, and in this case it's a bug fix
[13:49] <JontheEchidna> yeah, that definitely should be fixed
[13:50] <JontheEchidna> you could put the question out for wider changes to the mailing list if you need more input on that
[13:50] <JontheEchidna> maybe we all can come up with a new GUI design that's inherently less confusing ;-)
[13:51] <JontheEchidna> there's no law that says we have to slave to copy what the GNOME gui did :P
[13:51] <apachelogger> sure there is
[13:51] <apachelogger> the law of canonical making money with youbuntoo :P
[13:51] <bambee> originally it was required by "the chief" :P
[13:53] <bambee> mhhh anyway, I'll fix the "apply problem" and ask feedbacks on the mailing list :)
[13:54] <Riddell> c2tarun: hmm, the changelog should include the natty changelog entry too, below your entry for maverick
[13:55] <c2tarun> Riddell: yup something went wrong with the changelog, I just noticed. working on it
[13:59] <c2tarun> Riddell: I copied the changelog file from the previous version again and edited it and when trying to rebuild the source package I am getting some error, can't we simply copy the changelog?
[14:01] <Riddell> c2tarun: yes you can copy the old one, then add the new changelog entry for maverick
[14:01] <Riddell> cp ../orig/kdesdk-4.6.1/debian/changelog debian/changelog
[14:01] <Riddell> dch -newversion 4:4.6.1-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1 "Maverick backport"
[14:03] <ari-tczew> Riddell: backportpackage tool from ubuntu-dev-tools
[14:03] <shadeslayer> w00t
[14:03] <shadeslayer> kdebindings is past the FTBFS point
[14:07] <c2tarun> Riddell: Why is it that my changelog replacing somethings from the previous changelog even when I am executing dch -i please take a look at kdesdk.debdiff file
[14:09] <Riddell> ari-tczew: hmm?
[14:09] <Riddell> shadeslayer: awooga
[14:09] <Riddell> c2tarun: run  screen -x
[14:09] <Riddell> then I can see what you're doing
[14:10] <c2tarun> Riddell: can you see now?
[14:10] <ari-tczew> Riddell: I saw you discuss about backporting package, I just wanted to suggest check this script.
[14:10] <Riddell> c2tarun: yes
[14:10] <Riddell> c2tarun: try again to reset the changelog
[14:11] <nixternal> awooga! to early in the morning for an awooga
[14:13] <Riddell> c2tarun: you're starting from the 4.6.0 changelog 
[14:13] <Riddell> you want to start from the 4.6.1 one
[14:13] <Riddell> which is in ~/kdesdk/orig/kdesdk-4.6.1/debian/changelog
[14:16] <bambee> Riddell: btw I used a virtual machine for my tests, and it works fine with i386
[14:16] <Riddell> c2tarun: change "New upstream release" to "maverick backport"
[14:16] <Riddell> bambee: can you add that you used a virtual machine to bug 726581
[14:16] <c2tarun> maverick backport , OK
[14:17] <bambee> Riddell: ok
[14:21] <shadeslayer> kdebindings uploaded
[14:21] <shadeslayer> but they're the old ones
[14:21] <shadeslayer> fffff
[14:24] <Riddell> c2tarun: looking good
[14:24] <c2tarun> Riddell: yup :)
[14:24] <Riddell> go for upload to ppa:kubuntu-ninjas
[14:26] <c2tarun> Riddell: its done :)
[14:29] <Riddell> great, well done
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> Neat, KOrg got 4/5 stars from a gnome user: http://i.imgur.com/IKtp6.png
[14:31] <shadeslayer> interesting
[14:31] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: where are the reviews sent?
[14:31] <shadeslayer> or are these written on packages.ubuntu.com and sync'd from there?
[14:32] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: currently muon doesn't support sending reviews, but Ubuntu has a reviews server
[14:32] <shadeslayer> OR .... from ubuntu software center?
[14:32] <shadeslayer> ah
[14:32] <JontheEchidna> Muon and USC grab reviews from there
[14:32] <shadeslayer> neato
[14:32] <JontheEchidna> Only USC can send reviews to the server, but hopefully Muon will too in a bit
[14:33] <JontheEchidna> I'll have to figure out their Ubuntu SSO magic for that to happen
[14:33] <shadeslayer> ^^
[14:33] <JontheEchidna> might be a GSoC project, since a KDE SSO frontend is also needed for Ubuntu One
[14:36] <shadeslayer> add it to the wiki page :P
[14:37] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: good enough http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screenshots/snapshot155.png
[14:38] <JontheEchidna> <3
[14:38] <apachelogger> also
[14:38] <apachelogger> https://code.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/ubuntu-sso-client/kdeui
[14:38] <apachelogger> kdeui to sso
[14:38] <apachelogger> surely they broke the api completely by now, so you will have to redo the gluing
[14:38] <apachelogger> but widgets should be pretty reusable
[14:39] <JontheEchidna> gluing was what I was most worried about
[14:39] <apachelogger> I just sipped it
[14:39] <apachelogger> that way ubuntu-sso-client just needs to load the kdeui pyth0rn module
[14:39] <apachelogger> which in turn sips c++
[14:40] <apachelogger> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/ubuntu-sso-client/kdeui/files/head:/src/python/
[14:40] <apachelogger> well defined interfaces are key :D
[14:44] <apachelogger> http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2011/03/02/how-to-create-a-media-player-in-30-seconds/
[14:45] <JontheEchidna> so most of the SSO magic happens over a DBus interface in the sso gui?
[14:45] <apachelogger> aye
[14:45]  * apachelogger explicitly requested dbus as they wanted to use sockets :S
[14:46] <apachelogger> quite frankly the design is a bit inside out though
[14:46]  * apachelogger would have done something like polkit
[14:46] <apachelogger> to completely separate the logic from the ui
[14:46] <apachelogger> but oh well :S
[14:46] <JontheEchidna> lol sockets
[14:46] <apachelogger> cant always get what you want I suppose
[14:47] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: exactly
[14:48] <JontheEchidna> I found this code in synaptic that sends file descriptors over sockets: http://paste.ubuntu.com/574486/
[14:48] <JontheEchidna> I sort've just laughed and cried and looked away
[14:48] <apachelogger> ohlulz
[14:49] <shadeslayer> did someone say sockets
[14:49] <JontheEchidna> and that's not even the worst part
[14:49] <JontheEchidna> to actually read/write the fd's, they use this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/574488/
[14:49] <JontheEchidna> I've never seen unions used outside of an academic application before this
[14:50] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/~shadeslayer/4668/
[14:50] <shadeslayer> muwhaha
[14:50] <shadeslayer> this one is better http://paste.kde.org/~shadeslayer/6050/
[14:52] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: guess what we use to login into the server from a windows machine?
[14:52] <JontheEchidna> putty?
[14:52] <shadeslayer> telnet
[14:52] <JontheEchidna> lol
[14:52] <shadeslayer> yeah ... and emacs and vim are all screwed up
[14:53] <JontheEchidna> I shall send you a telegram with my login credentials
[14:53] <shadeslayer> oh guess what the server is running
[14:53] <JontheEchidna> please respond verifying my access rights
[14:53] <shadeslayer> what .. ? :D
[14:53] <JontheEchidna> I was making fun of telnet as being as ancient as telegrams
[14:54] <shadeslayer> ah .. lol
[14:54] <apachelogger> that is not true!
[14:54] <apachelogger> telnet is a lot older
[14:54] <JontheEchidna> gopher is da bomb
[14:54] <shadeslayer> The server runs the 2.6.18 Version of the linux kernel... the machine itself is a redhat server
[14:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what sort of experiment is this anyway?
[14:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the socket program?
[14:55] <apachelogger> around here we have to implement our own sockets before being able to do that sorta stuff :S
[14:55] <shadeslayer> it's one of the program's from my Computer Network Lab
[14:55] <shadeslayer> whoa
[14:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you're pursuing BS or MS?
[14:56] <shadeslayer> because this is undergrad coursework
[14:56]  * JontheEchidna is always in pursuit of bulls**t
[14:56] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: BS
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> :P
[14:56] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: lol
[14:56] <apachelogger> :D
[14:56] <shadeslayer> lul
[14:56] <apachelogger> that was 2nd semester stuff actually
[14:56] <apachelogger> let me digg up some snapshot tar
[14:57]  * apachelogger has old stuff all tared up in tars of tars
[14:57] <shadeslayer> hmm
[14:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: well ... i'm  a ECE student, so they don't take us into the depths of that stuff
[14:57] <apachelogger> oh right, crypot in asm was also fun
[14:57] <shadeslayer> i did start reading the awesome tutorial at beej.us
[14:58] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/574489/
[14:58] <shadeslayer> O_O
[14:59] <shadeslayer> the only thing i ever wrote in asm was small programs for the 8085 chip in our lab
[15:00]  * apachelogger cannot find the flipping tar with the server
[15:00] <JontheEchidna> I'm taking an embedded microsystems course this semester that's all about ASM
[15:00] <apachelogger> actually I just remembered we then implemented http ontop of it :)
[15:00]  * apachelogger fires up locate
[15:00] <apachelogger> ah
[15:01] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/574493/
[15:01] <JontheEchidna> we each have an EVBU (Motorolla 68HC11 processor) for running our code
[15:01] <apachelogger> seems to be an older version
[15:02] <apachelogger> judging from allt he not implemented that is :D
[15:02] <JontheEchidna> speaking of which I need to write up a lab report for Embedded Microsystems, since it is due this afternoon :<
[15:02] <shadeslayer> wow
[15:02]  * JontheEchidna stops slacking
[15:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I also add comments about where in the spec the stuff is coming from BTW
[15:02] <shadeslayer> yeah i can see that
[15:03] <shadeslayer> lol line 183
[15:03] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: oh, have fun with that :P
[15:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Socket programing is fun
[15:04] <shadeslayer> even more so when you implement everything on your own
[15:04] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: we recently learned how to use subroutines, and are now using them to output text to a console
[15:04] <apachelogger> not if you need to do it in C++
[15:04]  * apachelogger finds it most distrubing to do that sorta stuff in C++
[15:04] <shadeslayer> never tried socket programming in C++
[15:04] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: ooh.. nice
[15:04] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: so you are now working on a gameboy clone I suppose?
[15:05] <shadeslayer> subroutines are awesome
[15:05] <JontheEchidna> The first time I tried to use them I accidentally JMP'd to the subroutine instead of JSR, so I never returned from the subroutine :S
[15:05] <shadeslayer> haha :D
[15:05]  * apachelogger does that with threads in Qt ^^
[15:05] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: 2 MHZ clock (8 external) and 512 bytes of RAM, half of which is taken up by the OS
[15:06] <JontheEchidna> We have 0000 - 0041 for stack, and 0100 to 01FF for RAM
[15:06] <apachelogger> you have the best intentions and want to introduce some threading ... and suddenly you find yourself in a deadlock and realize that you did not start thread execution ;)
[15:06] <JontheEchidna> lol
[15:06] <shadeslayer> lol
[15:06] <apachelogger> hm
[15:06] <Riddell>   /win 15
[15:06] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: plenty of space
[15:06] <Riddell> tsk
[15:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: get a proper client
[15:07] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: oh yeah, I don't expect to run out any time soon
[15:07] <shadeslayer> yeah each program is only a few bytes
[15:07] <shadeslayer> you don't need to run X on it:P
[15:07] <JontheEchidna> last lab we made a function generator that outputted a sin wave to an oscilliscope
[15:07] <shadeslayer> ooh
[15:08]  * shadeslayer can do that with a Arduino
[15:08] <apachelogger> that entirely reminds me of that cpu emulator we had assignments on
[15:08] <apachelogger> kubotu: google x-toy assembler harald sitter
[15:08] <kubotu> Results for x-toy assembler harald sitter: 1. Harald Sitter :: Weblog :: X-Toy (Assembler): http://tugll.tugraz.at/91675/weblog/10468.html | 2. Harald Sitter :: Weblog: http://tugll.tugraz.at/91675/weblog/ | 3. Harald Sitter :: Weblog :: It's a pointer world: http://tugll.tugraz.at/91675/weblog/9289.html
[15:08] <JontheEchidna> we had a table with the y-coords, and used a delay subroutine to control the x coords
[15:08] <apachelogger> that one
[15:09] <agateau> afiestas: ping
[15:10] <shadeslayer> sadly the indian education system has been stuck in the 90's
[15:10] <apachelogger> the 90's werent that bad
[15:10] <apachelogger> netscape
[15:11] <apachelogger> windows 95 and 98
[15:11] <apachelogger> no google empire around
[15:11] <apachelogger> KDE 1
[15:11] <apachelogger> birth of linux
[15:11] <apachelogger> plenty of good things
[15:11] <shadeslayer> yeah .. but none of those were taken up :)
[15:11] <shadeslayer> as you can see .. we still telnet into a red hat server from the 90's
[15:12] <apachelogger> I blieve 90% of the redhat servers are from the 90s :P
[15:12] <apachelogger> rocksolid(tm)
[15:12] <shadeslayer> yeah but atleast they don't run the .18 kernel :P
[15:12] <shadeslayer> and i mean ... 2.18 
[15:12] <shadeslayer> er
[15:13] <shadeslayer> 2.5.18
[15:14] <agateau> shadeslayer: worse kernel was 2.4.11 btw
[15:14] <agateau> it's even labelled as "don't use" :)
[15:14] <agateau> see http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/
[15:14] <agateau> those were the days :)
[15:14] <apachelogger> emit giggle();
[15:14]  * apachelogger enhances apachelogger.h
[15:15] <shadeslayer> haha
[15:39] <afiestas> agateau: pong
[15:40] <agateau> afiestas: just wanted to tell you your appmenu issues should be fixed now
[15:40] <agateau> afiestas: including firefox integration
[15:40] <afiestas> wow nice! I had to install arch because the X stack was highly unstable :/
[15:41] <afiestas> in a few days I will switch back I guess, I will give you feedback then
[15:41] <agateau> afiestas: ok, keep me posted
[15:48]  * c2tarun taking kdeutils
[15:54] <c2tarun> with kdeutils library libqjson-dev I am not able to install the build-deps of kdeutils, Can I get it from somewhere outside?
[15:56] <Riddell> c2tarun: it may need universe to be enabled in /etc/apt/sources.list#
[15:57] <markey> re
[15:59] <c2tarun> Riddell: universe enabled and updated the system, still same error
[16:01] <Quintasan> wtf
[16:01] <Riddell> c2tarun: ah, libqjson-dev (>= 0.7.1-1ubuntu1) but we have 0.7.1-1ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1
[16:02] <Riddell> c2tarun: just put a ~ on the end of the version number in debian/control
[16:03] <Quintasan> Riddell: http://i.imgur.com/sgKBP.png <--- any idea on that?
[16:04] <Riddell> Quintasan: looks like a virtual machine of some sort?
[16:04] <c2tarun> Riddell: same problem
[16:05] <Quintasan> Riddell: Yeah, more than that I wonder about the error, any idea who should I bother when fresh maverick install on KVM fails to load like that?
[16:06] <shadeslayer> at some point in the maverick cycle ubuntu didn't boot in KVM
[16:06] <shadeslayer> but iirc it was solved
[16:06] <Riddell> c2tarun: I installed libqjson-dev and now it doesn't complain about needing it
[16:07] <c2tarun> Riddell: installing needs some sort of refresh or reset?
[16:08] <Riddell> c2tarun: no
[16:08] <c2tarun> Riddell: and by rmadison it shows in maverick repo we have version 0.7.1-1 and 0.7.1-1ubuntu1 is required
[16:09] <c2tarun> so I think adding ~ at the end wont do, I have to remove ubuntu1?
[16:10] <Riddell> c2tarun: 0.7.1-1ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1 is in kubuntu-ppa/backports
[16:10] <Riddell> and ought to be in ninjas too, probably needs someone to copy it
[16:10] <c2tarun> Riddell: oh ya
[16:11] <c2tarun> ok then I am still getting error :(
[16:12] <Riddell> what error?
[16:12] <c2tarun> Riddell: E: Build-Depends dependency for kdeutils cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package libqjson-dev can satisfy version requirements
[16:13] <Riddell> c2tarun: this is on the ec2 machine?
[16:13] <c2tarun> Riddell: yup
[16:14] <Riddell> c2tarun: when I run debuild in kdeutils it says  dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libgmp3-dev libsnmp-dev libarchive-dev liblzma-dev pkg-config libzip-dev python-dev
[16:14] <Riddell> nothing about qjson
[16:15] <c2tarun> Riddell: try installing the build dependencies by sudo apt-get build-dep kdeutils
[16:16] <Riddell> c2tarun: ah but that doesn't read debian/control it reads the apt list which isn't necessarily what you want
[16:17] <Riddell> so just install them by hand with apt-get install
[16:17] <c2tarun> Riddell: what apt list?
[16:17] <ScottK> apachelogger: No RobbieW at today's meeting and no idea from doko about when it'll be fixed.  I think we need to go with 4.4 as we discussed.
[16:17] <Riddell> c2tarun: run debuild
[16:18] <Riddell> it will complain about what isn't installed
[16:18] <c2tarun> ok, sure
[16:24] <c2tarun> is this versio correct? 4:4.6.1-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1
[16:27] <ScottK> apachelogger: Looks like next week we'll likely have the fix.
[16:27] <ScottK> Riddell: I think we need to change pkg-kde-tools to use gcc4.4 on armel for now.
[16:29] <kunal> hello
[16:30] <kunal> i am using the debian folder from bzr branch lp:~kubuntu-members/kdelibs/ubuntu
[16:30] <debfx> ScottK: what about qt packages that don't use pkg-kde-tools?
[16:30] <kunal> where can i get the kdelibs 4.6.1 tar file 
[16:31] <kunal> i was not able to find in ubuntu archive
[16:31] <kunal> it's having 4.6.0
[16:31] <ScottK> debfx: We'll need to touch those one by one.
[16:31] <ScottK> kunal: We haven't uploaded 4.6.1 yet.
[16:31] <kunal> ScottK: ok
[16:33] <kunal> ScottK: i wanted to create a patch for remove direct GL dependency in libplasma 
[16:33] <kunal> ScottK: i should use the previous version  from bzr?
[16:33] <ScottK> I'm not the best one to ask.
[16:34] <Riddell> kunal: you should use the source from KDE git
[16:34] <kunal> ScottK: ok, thanks 
[16:35] <Riddell> ScottK: "Looks like next week we'll likely have the fix" does that mean gcc 4.5 will have the fix uploaded next week?
[16:35] <ScottK> Riddell: It's supposed to be in the Linaro GCC release on Tuesday.  doko usually updates GCC in Ubuntu very quickly after that.
[16:36] <kunal> Riddell: ok, mainline without patches in debian folder?
[16:36] <ScottK> We definitely won't have it for 4.6.1 though.
[16:36] <Riddell> ScottK: so it doesn't seem worth adding it to pkg-kde-tools then, I don't think we want to recompile everything one week then do it again next week
[16:36] <Riddell> kunal: what is this patch for?
[16:37] <ScottK> Riddell: You're stuck either way.
[16:37] <ScottK> If you use 4.5 now, everything will need a rebuild on arm to work.  If you use 4.4 now, everything will need a rebuild on arm to use 4.5.
[16:37] <Riddell> true
[16:37] <kunal> Riddell:remove direct GL dependency in libplasma
[16:37] <Riddell> kunal: is that for upstream?  or some need within ubuntu?
[16:38] <ScottK> If we use 4.4 then we at least have something working in the meantime.
[16:38] <kunal> Riddell: it's already in mainline, need to add to ubuntu natty package
[16:38] <Riddell> kunal: it's already upstream?
[16:38] <kunal> Riddell: yes
[16:39] <Riddell> kunal: and why do we want it in natty?
[16:40] <Riddell> ScottK: are you able to make that change then?
[16:41] <kunal> Riddell: to "Bringup Plasma Desktop with GLES2 on ARM platforms"
[16:41] <ScottK> Riddell: I was hoping apachelogger would do it.
[16:42] <Riddell> apachelogger: is ScottK's hopefullness going to work?
[16:42] <Riddell> kunal: are you an ubuntu developer?
[16:43] <kunal> Riddell: Linaro Developer Platform
[16:43] <Riddell> kunal: what's your launchpad id?  I can add you to the kubuntu-ninjas team to give you access to the 4.6.1 packages
[16:43] <kunal> Riddell: goelkunal 
[16:44] <kunal> Riddell: thanks for providing access
[16:46] <Riddell> kunal: ok I've added you to the team, you can get 4.6.1 from the super secret PPA https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa
[16:46] <Riddell> and do merge requests on the lp:~kubuntu-members/kdelibs/ubuntu branch if you have a patch for us
[16:47] <kunal> Riddell: thanks, i'll make changes and send merge proposal
[16:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i could do a webbrowser in 30 seconds :P
[16:56] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Would it suck less than rekonq?
[17:11] <shadeslayer> ScottK: no idea... but it would definitely NOT have all the features rekonq has :)
[17:12] <ScottK> Hopefully it would not have the one where when a user asks to close a window, it decided it knows better and doesn't do it.
[17:13] <shadeslayer> haha :D
[17:13] <shadeslayer> yeah it's a known bug :P
[17:14] <shadeslayer> kdebase up up and away
[17:14] <debfx> ScottK: what's you opinion on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/707794/comments/15 ?
[17:15] <debfx> maybe calling qCritical() would be better
[17:15] <ScottK> debfx: Sounds reasonable.
[17:15] <ScottK> It wasn't supposed to break the ABI.
[17:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: tried the Qt port for android yet?
[17:18] <Riddell> debfx: what's the difference between qFatal and qCritical?
[17:19] <debfx> Riddell: qFatal aborts the application
[17:19] <debfx> qCritical just prints a message
[17:21] <Riddell> I'd go with fatal, if there's a problem we should know about it
[17:26] <c2tarun> Riddell: I packaed kdeutils, Can you please take a look
[17:28] <Riddell> c2tarun: looks good
[17:28] <c2tarun> ok, so I'll upload it :)
[17:29] <Riddell> yes
[17:29] <c2tarun> Thanks for ec2 :)
[17:35] <Riddell> claydoh: how's the release page and technicalOverview doing?
[17:36] <Riddell> buenos noches toscalix 
[17:36] <Riddell> shadeslayer: which kdebase is up and away?
[17:37] <Riddell> I assumed you ment maverick backport but https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging says not
[17:37] <shadeslayer> did'nt i just update it
[17:37] <shadeslayer> workspace
[17:38] <Riddell> ah, workspace isn't kdebase :)
[17:41] <shadeslayer> kdebase-workspace
[17:41] <shadeslayer> you're kidding right? :D
[17:41] <shadeslayer> it's a subfolder of kdebase ... or that's what i thought
[17:42] <yofel> well, 4.7 will fix that misunderstanding at least ^^
[17:42] <shadeslayer> hehe
[17:44] <Riddell> yes it's kde-workspace in git I think
[17:45] <yofel> it is
[17:45] <shadeslayer> yep
[17:53]  * yofel is getting tired of QETWidget::translateXI2Event crashes
[17:55] <Riddell> yofel: cnd on #u-d is the guy to poke
[17:57] <yofel> might do that, plasma-desktop and other things crash randomly here, at least 10 crashes per hour
[17:59]  * shadeslayer hugs his maverick install
[18:15] <toscalix> Riddell: buenas noches :-)
[18:16] <toscalix> Riddell: from a kubuntu Lucid
[18:17] <debfx> Riddell: can I somehow opt out of receiving kubuntu-bugs membership mails?
[18:17] <Riddell> debfx: how are you in the kubuntu-bugs team?
[18:19] <debfx> Riddell: directly
[18:21] <ScottK> Isn't the point of being in that team to get the mails?
[18:21] <Riddell> leave the team then surely
[18:22] <debfx> ScottK: no, I'm in the team to be able to subscribe it to packages
[18:23] <ScottK> Ah.
[18:23] <Riddell> I think at the moment launchpad doesn't let you control that, you need to filter it yourself
[18:23] <Riddell> i did do a review of a proposed UI to allow that so I guess it's in the works
[18:27] <debfx> surely they will invent other reasons to spam
[18:29] <debfx> by the way kubuntu-ninjas still sends ftbfs mails to all members
[18:37] <apachelogger> bah
[18:37] <apachelogger> ScottK: I'll start rolling gles once kde stopped segfaulting :P
[18:38] <ScottK> apachelogger: So do the pkg-kde-tools change for gcc4.4.
[18:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: please do a web browser in 30 seconds
[18:38] <yofel> cnd was working on a fix for the Qt crash
[18:38] <shadeslayer> haha :D
[18:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also I did not try qt on android
[18:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/02/live-from-apples-ipad-2-event/?sort=newest&refresh=60
[18:38] <apachelogger> I have a feeling the magic would explode
[18:38] <shadeslayer> aw
[18:38] <apachelogger> stop it with applegdget already
[18:39] <apachelogger> ScottK: aye, just need to figure out how ^^
[18:39] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I'll try it once the tablet arrives
[18:39] <shadeslayer> okay :D
[18:39] <apachelogger> also did you see phonon on android talk from yesterday night
[18:39] <shadeslayer> what
[18:39] <shadeslayer> no
[18:39] <shadeslayer> oh
[18:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: in #phonon ? yes
[18:40] <apachelogger> aye
[18:40] <apachelogger> actually it might not be that difficult, the tricky part is getting a backend going
[18:40] <apachelogger> basically you will have to interface with the java objects of the android mm stack
[18:40] <apachelogger> could be a jolly project
[18:41] <apachelogger> hopefully that friend of trever is entering that as gsoc project
[18:41] <shadeslayer> kewl
[18:41] <shadeslayer> i can help test
[18:41] <shadeslayer> because i have no idea what the android stack looks like
[18:41] <bambee> someone could test this patch http://paste.ubuntu.com/574598/ (language-selector) ? normally it should be less confusing now
[18:42] <bambee> I added tooltips, and if a component is installed it cannot be selected anymore in install tab
[18:42] <apachelogger> kubotu: google android multimedia api
[18:42] <kubotu> Results for android multimedia api: 1. Audio and Video | Android Developers: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/media/ | 2. Package Index | Android Developers: http://developer.android.com/reference/packages.html | 3. Android 2.3 Platform Highlights | Android Developers: http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.3-highlights.html
[18:42] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I tried to install Qt via Ministro but it didnt install anything
[18:42] <apachelogger> looky looky
[18:42] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: how?
[18:43] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: search market for Ministro
[18:43] <shadeslayer> ah
[18:43] <bambee> I need feedbacks
[18:43] <Quintasan> but it just popped out with "Searching for libs" and the quit
[18:43] <shadeslayer> gah
[18:43] <shadeslayer> same here
[18:43] <bambee> (I suck for graphical interfaces :) )
[19:18]  * bambee will offer cookies and beers to anyone who would like give feedbacks about his patch (harald stickers in bonus )... don't wait :P
[19:28] <apachelogger> ScottK: I think I am too tired to understand the kernel stuff today
[19:28] <apachelogger> will try again tomorrow
[19:28]  * apachelogger shall try getting more than 3 hrs of sleep today
[19:36] <apachelogger> afiestas: ping
[19:57] <apachelogger> afiestas: unping
[20:39] <jussi> And Kamoso crashes on taking a pickture :(
[21:37] <ari-tczew> Riddell: around?
[21:41] <ari-tczew> Riddell: could you check it? bug 710981
[21:41] <ari-tczew> last comments about broken indicator suppor
[21:41] <ari-tczew> t
[22:50] <rickspencer3> any Qt Creator experts here can give me some tips for Natty?
[22:50] <rickspencer3> like, how to enable the design view, for example?
[22:59] <debfx> rickspencer3: opening a .ui file should make qtcreator switch to the design view
[22:59] <rickspencer3> debfx, sorry, I'm using Quick Quick, or at least I would like to be
[22:59] <rickspencer3> but I can't get the design view to turn on
[23:09] <debfx> rickspencer3: the qml designer requires private qt headers so we don't build the plugin
[23:09] <rickspencer3> :/
[23:15] <rickspencer3> debfx, do you know why they do it that way? is it licensing issues?
[23:17] <debfx> rickspencer3: no, i'm guessing that part of the QtDeclarative api isn't finished yet
[23:28] <Riddell> ari-tczew: please e-mail me, I'll get it tomorrow
[23:29] <Riddell> rickspencer3: Qt Quick Designer hasn't been released yet
[23:29] <ari-tczew> Riddell: you're subscribed to bug, is it enough?
[23:29] <Riddell> ari-tczew: no, sorry I get lots of bug mail 
[23:29] <ari-tczew> Riddell: ok
[23:32] <rickspencer3> Riddell, hmm, it's working in the screenshots in the Qt documentations :/
[23:32] <ari-tczew> Riddell: Done.
[23:33] <Riddell> rickspencer3: silly docs, it was in some betas but they pulled it because it wasn't stable enough
[23:34] <rickspencer3> rats
[23:34] <rickspencer3> thanks Riddell
[23:37] <debfx> Riddell: http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/03/01/qt-quick-1-0-and-beyond-or-the-post-of-many-links/ says the quick designer is part of qtcreator 2.1
[23:54] <rickspencer3> Riddell, debfx any idea why the Run buttons would be disabled?
[23:54] <rickspencer3> they worked when I created the project, I changed one thing in the QML, and now it won't work :/