[00:06] simmah down now [00:10] nixternal: Quote of the day: " Ubuntu service revenue rightfully belongs with Canonical..." [00:10] Makes it pretty clear the rest of us are just here for the fun of it. [00:10] yeah, sabdfl has lost his fucking mind [00:11] arch linux could always use some developers, but you can't propose any patches :p [00:12] but ScottK at the same time, you have to remember that revenue pays for community people to get to a UDS [00:13] nixternal: Sure, but I'm giving up a week of consulting revenue to go. I think I'm making a bigger sacrifice. [00:14] you are, but that's on you. you don't see me going to UDS anymore [00:15] Well I didn't apply for this one yet. [00:15] i won't even waste my time. the last 2 i applied for i got turned down [00:16] well [00:16] there is meego [00:16] a) you get cute stuff [00:16] haha, meego...i just spit all over the place [00:16] b) notmark uses it [00:16] c) intel uses it [00:16] d) work for intel and beat up keith for shitty drivers [00:17] Can't work for Intel. Don't live in Portland or Texas. [00:17] i use kubuntu, because i know you all are doing an awesome job. mobile devices, it is only android for me, the rest is useless [00:17] i also use arch, fedora, and suse [00:18] but i am thinking my next laptop will probably be a mac [00:18] nixternal: wait for kubuntu mobile [00:18] also [00:18] Phonon is working on an own OS [00:19] right, and what will kubuntu mobile run on? nothing i currently own right [00:19] and soon declaring war on DVDs I hear [00:19] nixternal: actually, with some tweaking this can be made happen [00:19] nixternal: n900 is the first, but not last, target. [00:19] all them android phones run the same shitty board type [00:19] right, the n900, is that thing even relevant? [00:20] which happens to be the same the n900 is using [00:20] how much are they? [00:20] have you guys seen ubuntu run on an android phone? i worked on a rom for the droid eris, it sucks [00:21] we are not talking about ubuntu [00:21] right, and kde is that much faster right? [00:22] debian with lxde wasn't bad, but it wasn't good either [00:22] ... [00:22] how much do you know about the hardware of those devices? :P [00:22] actually [00:22] why doesn't anyone do a kde type of interface for android, more along the lines of touchwiz rather than an entires OS? [00:22] KDE got one thing ubuntu does not have [00:22] the supreme overlord master emperator general lord of phonon [00:22] here is a question, and the only reason i ask is because i haven't been around....why would ubuntu/kubuntu want to target mobile devices when there is already a clear and proven leader from the linux side there? [00:23] claydoh: cause Qt only got available on android :P [00:23] actually there is already talk going on about porting kdelibs [00:23] apachelogger: i know enough on the hardware to be dangerous. i am cooking roms for droid phones as we speak :) [00:23] but it is a long shot from that to KDE apps on android [00:23] nixternal: thats sort of my next question :) [00:23] as android cannot do regular qwidgets to my knowledge [00:23] nixternal: my mom can do a rom :P [00:23] anyhow [00:23] android has its own widgets, what would make qwidgets better? [00:23] no, not apps just the look n feel, more or less [00:24] apachelogger: patches to android as well if that counts for anything, just the browser so far [00:24] what all those ubuntus-for-you-name-it-phone ports have in common is lack of the most vital piece of software [00:24] namely the graphics driver [00:24] or rather the underlying libraries to make that thing faster [00:25] if qt can make android better, then i am all for it, but at this point in time, i don't see how you could make the android interface any better...though qt could have their own stuff like htc does with the sense [00:25] clearly you are biased :P [00:25] apachelogger: tegra2 has good graphics :) [00:25] * claydoh has no clue on these thing as he has no phone, and the mrs will not let him play with hers - he would probably "fix" too many things [00:26] oh [00:26] did I mention that Phonon supports tegra2 [00:26] did I mention that qtmm does not [00:26] nixternal: exzctly a kde or qt like layer like sense or touchwiz [00:27] ok, is kde 4.6.1 expected for alpha3? [00:27] time to eat, back in a few [00:27] * apachelogger thinks doing apps in Qt makes more sense than that [00:28] especially since you would render all widgets useless [00:31] claydoh: I don't think so. I think right after. [00:34] so not much new for a3, outside of filesharing, and printer config, anf language selector kcm? [00:35] * apachelogger thinks that is plenty [00:35] Compiles on armel. [00:35] Not clear if it works though. [00:35] ScottK: are you attending the meeting tomorrow to get gcc stuff moving? [00:35] apachelogger: I'm planning on attending the Ubuntu platform team meeting and bringing it up there. [00:35] kthx [00:36] I shall look at the n900 kernel tomorrow [00:36] Thanks. [00:36] * apachelogger got a project management class from 8 to 13 -.- [00:36] It would be nice to get gcc fixed before we upload 4.6.1. [00:36] most definitely [00:39] apachelogger: What bug is it we're after getting fixed? [00:39] kubotu: google gcc launchpad qt unity segfault [00:39] Results for gcc launchpad qt unity segfault: 1. [Bug 705689] Re: unity-2d-launcher crashes with segfault error on ...: http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg2734783.html | 2. [Bug 705689] Re: QT applications crash with segfault error on ...: http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg2740986.html [00:39] 3. [ubuntu] "Segmentation fault" When install Nokia QT - Ubuntu Forums: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1609526 [00:39] Launchpad bug 705689 in Linaro GCC 4.5 "Qt applications crash with segfault error on armel when Qt is built with gcc 4.5 on natty" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/705689 [00:39] that one ^^ [00:39] Thanks. [00:39] I love how related stuff always comes up first in search results :D [00:40] stupid bug -.- [00:42] apachelogger: Maybe we could do some magic in pkg-kde-tools to force gcc 4.4 on armel until this is fixed for all KDE packages? [00:42] Gotta run. [00:43] phonon would require manual fix at least [00:43] I do not think we are using pkg-kde-tools there [00:43] ScottK: worth considering though [00:44] qca might need a manual fix too [00:44] and strigi [00:44] that should get us to a working plasma-mobiel it would seem from ldd [02:47] Can anyone help me with this error: E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/private-ppa.launchpad.net_kubuntu-ninjas_ppa_ubuntu_dists_natty_main_source_Sources - open (2: No such file or directory) I got this when installing build-dependencies for attica. [03:17] Can anyone please help me with this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/574265/ [03:27] c2tarun: do you have libqt4-qmake installed? No expert here, but you may be missing that package [03:27] claydoh: it is installed but not in build-depends of the package i'll add it there :) [03:29] claydoh: you sure its libqt4-qmake or qt4-qmake? [03:30] my memory, bad as it is, vaguely remembers something similar from long ago..... [03:30] iirc qt4-qmake, unless it is using qt3 [03:31] I looked on apt-cache search and it returned qt4-qmake. The problem is I installed it on my system and added it to build-depends of control file, still I am getting same erorr [03:36] hmm may have to point it to wherever qmake is, [03:37] hmmm pkg-kde-tools may have the helper scripts that , um, help, in finding kde/qt things iirc [03:37] claydoh: yup and I just checked FindQt4.cmake file is there, so either something wrong with FindQt4.cmake file or I am not able to understand the prob. [03:38] claydoh: I think the tool about which you are talking is apt-cache search? [03:38] c2tarun: dunno, I *think* I needed pkg-kde-tools last time I set up building kmymoney, it couldn't find qmake iirc [03:38] claydoh: hmm... [03:39] pkg-kde-tools have helper scripts/snippets specific [03:39] for kde [03:40] b ut again I really don't have a complete clue :) [03:43] claydoh: this error is due to something else or what? I tried another package and I got exactly same error :/ [03:45] something is missing, but what I cann ot say :/ something qt related, obviously. did you install pkg-kde-tools? [03:46] claydoh: yup [03:48] so all the experts and professionals must be asleep :/ [03:48] may be :P [03:48] c2tarun: it has to be something simple [03:49] claydoh: I also think so, I asked on #ubuntu-motu as well, experts seems to be sleeping there as well :( [03:49] x/55 [03:49] what you building? [03:50] attica [03:50] /msg NickServ identify Bama08 [03:50] nhandler: that some soper sekrit code? [03:50] lolz [03:50] claydoh: lol, nope. Just me messing up an irssi command ;) [03:51] thats why I stick to quassel core pointy clicky [03:59] Yeah, but then you can't do the run ssh server and always on and always accress [03:59] *access [04:00] DarkwingDuck: i do run ssh server, and a quassel core on my desktop, quassel client on my laptop [04:01] so I always have a backlog to read [04:02] c2tarun: soeey i have no answer for your problem, I know one of the fine devs will have it tho [04:02] s/sorry/soeey [04:03] * claydoh sleeps [04:06] claydoh: sure no prob :) thanks for helping [04:07] c2tarun: what are you trying to do? [04:08] DarkwingDuck: building pckage attica [04:08] You're trying to build it to a deb? [04:09] DarkwingDuck: I looked on this page https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging there was a package named attica I thought to build it and upload it to ppa [04:11] I'm still in baby mode for packaging... [04:12] DarkwingDuck: no prob :) well wait for an expert [04:12] * c2tarun experts ping [04:12] sorry c2tarun [04:13] DarkwingDuck: why sorry, I am a noob as well, just packed only few times :) dont worry [04:16] :) [04:17] Well, i've been around long enough that I should know by now. [04:18] DarkwingDuck: do you have a natty chroot? [04:18] Not here I don't. === tarun is now known as Guest86968 === Guest86968 is now known as c2tarun [05:17] need help with this problem http://paste.ubuntu.com/574265/ [06:45] c2tarun: Qt qmake not found! [06:45] c2tarun: which package? [06:45] c2tarun: and you need to add qt4-qmake as a build depends [06:47] shadeslayer: all tried , package is attica [06:47] hmm.. [06:47] c2tarun: try installing libqt4-dev [06:47] and then try again [06:48] shadeslayer: its already installed. [06:48] c2tarun: complete build log please then [06:48] and what are you trying to do exactly [06:49] I was trying to build attica on natty machine, I got it from this page https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging [06:50] shadeslayer: here is the full build log http://paste.ubuntu.com/574316/ [06:53] c2tarun: i see 0.2.80 is already the latest release and in natty [06:53] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/attica/0.2.80-0ubuntu2 [06:54] shadeslayer: actually I pulled it from natty archive only, and it failed to build on natty machine. [06:54] * shadeslayer tries [06:56] uhh [06:56] c2tarun: compiles fine here [06:56] - Mit rontottál el, ha a feleséged váratlanul bejön a konyhából és pofon vág? [06:56] - ??? [06:56] sorry [06:56] what?? [06:56] ulysses: english please [06:56] c2tarun: http://paste.kde.org/6187 [06:57] shadeslayer: how did you get the source code? apt-get? [06:57] pull-lp-source attica [06:58] shadeslayer: I tried again, its no building on mine? [06:58] :( why so? [06:59] lemme have a look at the full log [06:59] eh [06:59] c2tarun: paste the whole log, from the time pbuilder started downloading things [07:00] ehmm... I didn't used pbuilder, I build it on my natty and all build-deps are installed correctly [07:00] err [07:00] c2tarun: try debuild-pbuilder [07:00] instead of debuild :) [07:01] ( that install's any packages that are missing ) [07:01] shadeslayer: hmm.... but still mate my chroot not working might be a problem for me :( when I'll work on other package it will be a problem [07:02] the problem is you don't have a build dep installed [07:02] c2tarun: how do you build the package ? what command? [07:03] debuild -b -us -uc [07:04] -b ?what does -b do? [07:05] nothing in the man page [07:05] shadeslayer: it builds binary package [07:05] Change the "-b" to "-S" to build only a source package. [07:05] hmm [07:06] iirc debuild would inform you if the packages are not installed [07:06] c2tarun: use a chroot to build packages .... [07:07] shadeslayer: I was inside chroot when I executed this command ;) [07:08] uh... you have to run dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -nc to start the build [07:08] not debuild [07:08] so try that ^^ [07:08] * c2tarun trying [07:09] shadeslayer: actually debuild calls dpkg-buildpacakge for us. [07:09] shadeslayer: look at first line of manpage Description of debuild [07:10] yes but i'm specifying more options :) [07:10] what I normally do is, first I build a package on a chroot. If it builds successfully than I test it on pbuilder. If chroot is not working properly this will be a problem for me :( [07:11] c2tarun: so you have a seprate chroot and a seprate pbuilder? [07:11] shadeslayer: yup [07:11] c2tarun: you know you can use your pbuilder as a clean chroot? [07:12] shadeslayer: yes, but pbuilder takes lots of time in installing every dependency each time I want to test. but chroot installs and save :) so I use chroot for buildin once and then finally I use pbuilder for testing :) [07:13] well what i do for new packages is, log into my pbuilder, install stuff and build the package, so that i don't run into issues like these :P [07:14] obviously that is a better as it is saving disk space of one additional chroot :) [07:15] c2tarun: pastebin output of dpkg -l [07:15] from inside the chroot [07:16] installing pastebinit will help in this case :D [07:16] what is pastebinit? [07:17] shadeslayer: http://paste.kde.org/6188/ [07:17] !pastebinit [07:17] pastebinit is the command-line equivalent of !pastebin - Command output, or other text can be redirected to pastebinit, which then reports an URL containing the output - To use pastebinit, install the « pastebinit » package from a package manager - Simple usage: command | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com [07:18] wow :) [07:19] weird, you have all the deps [07:19] and yet it fails [07:19] shadeslayer: yep :( [07:20] shadeslayer: do you think we have to setup any env var for cmake errors? [07:21] env var for cmake errors? no [07:21] hmm [07:21] any Qt related env var? [07:22] c2tarun: cd to the src dir and then : mkdir build;cd build; cmake .. [07:22] and pastebin the output [07:23] shadeslayer: sorry, not getting, which src directory? [07:23] c2tarun: it should be called attica-0.2.80 [07:23] the one which has the source code :) [07:24] ok then I should make build directory? [07:24] yes [07:25] shadeslayer: http://paste.kde.org/6189/ [07:27] shadeslayer: mate I am very sorry to say I gotta go (its mahashivratri ;)) I'll back in couple of hours, very sorry. if you find anything please message me. Thank you :) [07:27] yep.. sure ... i know it's shivratri today :P === fabo_ is now known as fabo [08:29] morning [08:31] hey bambee [08:32] morning [08:37] :) [08:45] morning [08:45] how to tell nepomuk to shut up? [08:45] I got 14GB of ~/.xsession-errors [08:46] shadeslayer: ping [08:50] hrw: systemsettings->desktop research [08:50] (or something like that) [08:50] then uncheck "Enable Nepomuk semantic Desktop" [08:51] bambee: I am fine with nepomuk working but I do not like GBs of logs generated by it [08:52] ohhh to shut up... I'm not awake yet xD [08:52] * bambee needs coffee [08:52] * hrw needs a time to reconsider move to xfce [08:53] kde 4.6 starts to be pain in the ass too much [08:53] and my desktop does not runs 1GHz atom [08:56] hrw: run kdebugdialog [08:57] thx [08:57] also this is not (mainly) a support channel... [08:58] ok [08:58] need help with this error http://paste.kde.org/6190/ , this package builds succesfully on shadeslayer's pbuilder. but It failed on my natty chroot why so? :( [08:59] * thebigcheese grumbles about win7 partitions not co/operating [09:10] c2tarun: because pbuilder installs the needed build-deps, which you would need to do manually in a chroot [09:11] tsimpson: I did that, my chroot satisfies the build-deps for the package. [09:11] line 24: Qt qmake not found! [09:12] does it have qt4-dev-tools? [09:13] tsimpson: that lines requires qt4-dev-tools or qmake-qt4? [09:13] qmake is usually in qt4-dev-tools iirc [09:14] tsimpson: ok, its not installed, but still I executed apt-get build-dep for the package. do you qt4-dev-tools should be included into build-Depends of the package? [09:14] run "dpkg-checkbuilddeps" from the extracted source and see if it complains [09:15] tsimpson: nope it didn't complained [09:17] !find bin/qmake-qt4 [09:17] File bin/qmake-qt4 found in libqt4-dbg, qt4-qmake [09:18] ok, it's qt4-qmake, not -dev-tools [09:19] tsimpson: than qt4-qmake is installed on my system. [09:19] and in the chroot? [09:21] tsimpson: by system I meant chroot :) sorry for wrong choice of words [09:31] odd [09:33] tsimpson: yup :( still I am installing dev-tools as soon as it will be done, i'll try again [09:34] c2tarun: can you just check in the chroot what the outputs of "qmake -query QT_VERSION" and "qmake-qt4 -query QT_VERSION" are [09:35] (they both should be the same) [09:35] if both of those work in your chroot, then I can't see why FindQt4.cmake is failing [09:35] tsimpson: sure I'll try that as soon as installation of qt4-dev-tools ends ;) [09:37] tsimpson: for some reason it's not picking up qmake [09:46] * markey_nokia wonders why his QML Designer does not work in Creator... I must be missing some component [09:46] the icon always stays gray [09:46] on Windows, it works fine [09:46] and at home too [09:46] *scratches beard* [09:47] yeah there are different componentws [09:47] *components [09:48] tsimpson: qmake -query QT_VERSION **Unknown** and qmake-qt4 -query QT_VERSION 4.7.1 [09:48] markey_nokia: http://paste.kde.org/6192 [09:49] c2tarun: I'm guessing that /usr/bin/qmake is the Qt3 qmake [09:50] tsimpson: may be, how to fix that? [09:50] ah [09:50] c2tarun: remove qmake-qt3 :P [09:50] it's set from update-alternatives [09:51] or that ^ [09:51] so I should just execute update-alternatives? [09:51] "sudo update-alternatives qmake" I think [09:51] erm "sudo update-alternatives --config qmake" [09:51] and choose qmake-qt4 [09:53] it worked :) actually how did you figured this out? [09:54] by reading the FindQt4.cmake file [09:54] it actually checks for "Unknown", but apparently not "**Unknown**" [09:54] I mean how didi you figured these two commands? "qmake -query QT_VERSION" and "qmake-qt4 -query QT_VERSION" [09:54] someone should go and fix that ;) [09:54] ^ by reading the FindQt4.cmake file [09:55] EXEC_PROGRAM(${QT_QMAKE_EXECUTABLE} ARGS "-query QT_VERSION" OUTPUT_VARIABLE QTVERSION) [09:55] that gets the output from (whatever QT_QMAKE_EXECUTABLE is) -query QT_VERSION [09:56] and FindQt4.cmake checks for qmake, qmake4, qmake-qt4, and qmake-mac [09:56] *in that order* [09:56] hmm [09:57] in the past 2 days itself i've come to hate CMake [09:57] it checks if the output is "Unknown" and then looks for qmake4 and qmake-qt4 [09:57] shadeslayer: thanks! [09:57] but apparently qmake-qt3 ouputs "**Unknown**"? [09:57] tsimpson: just curious what language is in FindQt4.cmake file? [09:58] c2tarun: in cmake language [09:58] sure no problem [09:58] tsimpson: and you know cmake language. grt :) [09:58] I wouldn't say I *know* it, but I can read it :) [10:01] oooh http://www.webupd8.org/2011/03/ubuntu-live-cd-will-let-you-upgrade-to.html [10:01] will we have that as well? [10:01] the installer looks awesome now [10:01] on this page https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging the packages not taken by anyone. what does it mean? they ftbfs on natty? [10:05] c2tarun: what's not taken? [10:06] Riddell: the packages which dont have any name in fron of them [10:06] i'll take up workspace [10:08] c2tarun: the ones with dashes mean they have no new versions [10:08] Riddell: okey... and the with names in front of them? [10:11] c2tarun: with a name infront of them ments that person should be working on it with the status which is in the next column [10:11] Riddell: ok and no names and no dashes? [10:13] means nobody is working on it [10:13] Riddell: nobody is working and newer version is available upstream right? [10:14] c2tarun: yes [10:14] okay so they are the only work that needs to be done. [10:15] yes [10:15] gocha :) [10:38] there is package named kde-l10n. its not in natty but only in debian, how can i get the source code of that package? [10:40] c2tarun: kde-l10n means the many packages one for each language, eg. kde-l10n-fr for french [10:40] (debian put them all into one massive source package for some reason) [10:40] packaging it needs lots of bandwidth, disk space and time [10:40] Riddell: bug #727386 has the list of kde3 packages (in case you haven't seen it) [10:40] Launchpad bug 727386 in Ubuntu "Please remove several kde3 packages (source and binary)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/727386 [10:41] Riddell: is there anything to do? I mean any package needs upgradation? [10:42] dpkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of file plasma/generic/runners/kill/plasma-runner-kill.desktop [10:42] O_O [10:42] i guess the tarball didn't uncompress properly .. [10:43] c2tarun: sure, most of maverick [10:44] ok so i'll prepare a mav chroot first and then i'll pick one. thank you [10:44] c2tarun: you can still use that ec2 machine [10:44] it's still running [10:44] ubuntu@ec2-50-16-53-139.compute-1.amazonaws.com [10:45] wow :) thanks [10:45] ec2++ [10:47] * c2tarun I'll take kdesdk [10:54] what version should I set for kdesdk will this be ok? 4:4.6.0-0ubuntu3~maverick~ppa1 [10:55] c2tarun: nope [10:55] 4:4.6.1-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1 [10:56] why ubuntu1? [10:56] ubuntu1 is the version in the ubuntu archive, this is built from the first version in the ubuntu archive [10:57] ok, and why 4.6.1? [10:57] 4.6.1 is the upstream KDE version [10:57] upstream version is 4.6.0 I guess. [10:57] no it's 4.6.1 here [10:57] 4.6.0 is the old version and 4.6.1 is the new release we're packaging [10:58] oh crapz [10:58] shadeslayer: what have you done? [10:58] Riddell: nothing serious [10:59] hmm... there is no watch file in there. from where can I get the latest version? [10:59] Riddell: i'm copying kdebindings 4.5.90 to ninja's [10:59] er [10:59] c2tarun: from ktown [10:59] c2tarun: actually, apt-get source it [10:59] to make kdebase-workspace work [10:59] you'll get the natty version from natty PPA [11:00] ~np [11:00] shadeslayer_ is listening to "04 Mumford And Sons - Roll Away Your Stone" by [unknown] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/shadeslayer_ for more [11:01] Riddell: something is wrong :/ are you aware that I am working with kdesdk package? [11:01] Riddell: ok, sorry natty ppa is not enabled on that ec2 [11:01] y u timeout launchpad [11:01] Riddell: i'll get that enabled. [11:02] c2tarun: it should be, it's in sources.list [11:03] well yeah its there... :/ still on apt-get source I got version 4.6.0 [11:03] Riddell: ^^ [11:05] c2tarun: try an apt-get update [11:06] Riddell: got one :) [11:12] kubuntu desktop amd64 (20110302) tested => it works just fine here [11:20] * c2tarun hooo kdesdk is quite big package taking lots of time in building [11:21] c2tarun: yes, kdetoys is one of the few small ones [11:26] * shadeslayer just registered for the Desktop Summit [11:37] hmm .. can anyone open the build log here : https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+buildjob/2295261 [11:38] shadeslayer: yes, opens in ark [11:38] i cant :S [11:39] heh [11:39] stupid chromium [11:40] shadeslayer, opes in ff [11:40] yeah chromium issue iirc [11:41] oooh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VisI7VWwL_g&feature=autofb [11:44] shadeslayer: contextless youtube link, what is it? [11:44] Riddell: it's a ad for QML [11:46] I wonder what the phone is in that advert, presumably an unspecified non-existing device to put Qt onto [11:47] Looked like the N900 to me [11:58] er [11:58] Riddell: should " Debian, supply most of our packages" be changed to " Debian, supplies most of our packages" ? [11:58] on kubuntu.org [11:59] shadeslayer: yeah can do [11:59] kewl :D [12:01] I also had a request to put GNU on there but I think we can't list every upstream [12:01] yeah .. [12:03] any idea's on how to fix kdebindings 4.5.90 [12:03]