[01:07] <arand> I'm getting erros (couldn't locate) for the unity and unity-2d-panel package, is something up with that?
[01:42] <BUGabundo> night
[03:32] <cpatrick08> i get this error message when updating kubuntu natty E: Error http://ppa.launchpad.net natty/main Sources
[03:32] <cpatrick08> 404 Not Found
[03:32] <cpatrick08> E: Error http://ppa.launchpad.net natty/main amd64 Packages
[03:36] <matt-vaio> I am sick of unity for now. until it's bugs are worked out, I want to use gnome again, and there is no gnome-desktop related startup option. Any ideas?
[03:37] <rww> matt-vaio: There's an option for "classic" GNOME on the login screen. Try that.
[03:37]  * rww isn't using natty, can't help much more than that pointer
[03:37] <matt-vaio> rww, thanks but that still didn't work for me
[03:37] <Ampelbein> cpatrick08: you have some ppa in your sources that doesn't provide packages for it
[03:37] <rww> matt-vaio: odd. Did you still get Unity anyway, or did you get a broken GNOME desktop?
[03:38] <syn-ack> Good evening.
[03:38] <matt-vaio> well, I did a straight upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04a. everything was smooth.
[03:38] <matt-vaio> and gnome was perfect :)
[03:39] <syn-ack> matt-vaio, it's generally better if you do a fresh install of the OS when you want to run the development version. Though, the upgrade process has become a lot less painful as it was in the past
[03:41] <matt-vaio> I understand that. the problem is, when I fresh installed, I accidentally set the grub partition in my win7 partition:(((
[03:41] <matt-vaio> and then my hardware got messed up, and now through a series of events, my laptop doesn't suspend anymore, it hibernates instead which is a dread for school. end of spam:>.
[03:42] <matt-vaio> syn-ack, I'll have to. I'll lose all my backups and stuff, but w/e.
[03:42] <matt-vaio> ty
[03:43] <syn-ack> matt-vaio, Do what I do
[03:43] <syn-ack> keep your /~ on it's own partition
[03:43] <syn-ack> that way, when you do have to do that, you're not nuking the entire install. Only the system partition
[03:43] <matt-vaio> yea, with 10.10, they added that choice thing. and out of curiosity, I did it differently:P
[03:44] <matt-vaio> which cost me
[03:44] <syn-ack> They've had it like that since Warty.
[03:45] <matt-vaio> well, choice wise, not advanced properties and stuff.
[03:45] <matt-vaio> I've figured out the partitioning stuff already, so it isn't hard.
[03:45] <syn-ack> Hell, it's been like that since I started using linux back in '98 :P
[03:45] <matt-vaio> meh, I just started using it a year ago.
[03:50] <MTecknology> Yay.... natty go breaky
[03:50] <syn-ack> Dude, tell me about it
[03:51] <syn-ack> with less than a month to go, I'm surprised that we're only in A2... Though, I've not beta tested in quite a while
[03:51] <MTecknology> how can you beta test without a beta release?
[03:52] <syn-ack> You know what I mean. :P
[03:55] <MTecknology> ah....
[03:55] <MTecknology> It's be that broke it - by removing initramfs-tools from the system :P
[04:19] <syn-ack> ugh
[04:19] <syn-ack> breaky breaky
[06:49] <easthero> hi, all. ubuntu10.10 how to upgrade to natty? when upgrade python2.6 to python2.7 , always failed
[07:05] <susundberg> Good morning
[07:05] <susundberg> Was there some know issue with latest updates -- i updated about 14h ago and now when i reboot i have no networking -- network manager shows red cross and the 'wired' connection is grayd out
[07:05] <susundberg> manual setting of network (ifconfig ...) works fine
[07:08] <susundberg> ah: [1299048457.420478] [main.c:701] main(): failed to start the DHCP manager: no usable DHCP client could be found..
[07:11] <susundberg> Why I cant find bug assosiated with this
[07:12] <Ampelbein> susundberg: there was no update to network-manager in the last days
[07:13] <susundberg> Any ideas where the issue came from? I am very sure i didnt manually remove dhcp client
[07:15] <susundberg> Here are latest changes from history.log: http://susundberg.pastebin.com/bKvEyEFA
[07:15] <susundberg> There is for example: isc-dhcp-common:amd64 (4.1.1-P1-15ubuntu3, 4.1.1-P1-15ubuntu4)
[07:16] <Ampelbein> susundberg: yeah, that should be bug 724556
[07:17] <Ampelbein> susundberg: -ubuntu5 got published on 24th february
[07:18] <susundberg> Mhh what does 'fix released' mean -- fix is available but its not yet on repos?
[07:18] <Ampelbein> susundberg: no, fix released=fix is in repository.
[07:19] <susundberg> (that is Natty main)
[07:19] <Ampelbein> yeah
[07:19] <jml> I'm getting this error when upgrading: http://paste.ubuntu.com/574326/
[07:19] <Ampelbein> susundberg:  the package fixing that bug is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/isc-dhcp/4.1.1-P1-15ubuntu5, published on 24.feb
[07:21] <susundberg> So my local mirror is just lagging (as apt-get update says i am up to date)?
[07:21] <susundberg> (thanks btw)
[07:22] <Ampelbein> susundberg: what mirror are you on?
[07:22] <susundberg> http://fi.archive.ubuntu.com
[07:24] <susundberg> Well day is just starting in here in Finland so mayby i'll wait for a while ;)
[07:25] <Ampelbein> susundberg: that mirror should have the files, http://fi.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/i/isc-dhcp/
[07:25] <Ampelbein> susundberg: you sure you did run apt-get update? ;-)
[07:26] <Ampelbein> jml: can you file a bug about that upgrade please?
[07:26] <susundberg> weird. but yes, i did
[07:26] <jml> Ampelbein: sure. against what?
[07:27] <susundberg> http://susundberg.pastebin.com/UUPMLE7n
[07:27] <Ampelbein> jml: udev, please attach relevant log files
[07:28] <Ampelbein> susundberg: eek, root
[07:28] <jml> Ampelbein: which log files, do you think?
[07:29] <Ampelbein> jml: /var/log/apt/term.log, /var/log/dpkg.log, if possible, only include the parts where the error is
[07:29] <jml> Ampelbein: ok. will do. thanks.
[07:30] <susundberg> Ampelbein: http://fi.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/binary-amd64/ -- Packages.bz2 contains only ubuntu4
[07:30] <susundberg> oh mayby i'll wait for a moment
[07:31] <susundberg> Well you cant run apt-get update as normal user ...
[07:31] <Ampelbein> susundberg: that's what sudo is for.
[07:32] <susundberg> Yeah. I just prefer not to prefix my all commands with 'sudo'
[07:33] <susundberg> but that eagerness to use 'root' certainly originates from debian times ..
[07:34] <Ampelbein> susundberg: ok. ;-) about the mirror: did you actually get any updates in the last days?
[07:35] <susundberg> Well dont know, i updated yesterday after some days
[07:35] <susundberg> but the Packages.bz2 is dated " 24-Feb-2011 "
[07:35] <Ampelbein> susundberg: yes, that's what makes me wonder
[07:35] <susundberg> So it seems like it hasnt been really up-to-date ..
[07:38] <susundberg> Ampelbein: Again, thanks for the help! I consider issue solved :)
[07:38] <Ampelbein> susundberg: no problem ;-)
[07:56] <jml> Ampelbein: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/727633
[07:57] <Ampelbein> jml: thanks
[08:13] <susundberg> Ampelbein: somebody in .fi channel just mentioned that he got 800MB of updates after changing mirror to .se :)
[10:24] <Zuhaitz> hi
[10:26] <Zuhaitz> why when i change virtual desktop the background moves with the windows? it have no sense, the virtual desktop is the work desktop, the background should be static, is there a way to change that? thanks
[10:31] <susundberg> Yes
[10:31] <Zuhaitz> Can you teld me how, please.
[10:31] <susundberg> Yeah i was just checking
[10:32] <Zuhaitz> And, the dock, is configurable? Or, in case that not, will be in the future?
[10:32] <susundberg> Oh sorry, Kde or Gnome or something else?
[10:32] <Zuhaitz> Unity
[10:32] <Zuhaitz> xD
[10:32] <susundberg> Sorry, don't know -- i would google or search through options
[10:33] <Zuhaitz> Options... Where? :D
[10:41] <Clutchless> hey, can anyone help me? i have problem with rhel but nobody wake in there, i believe you guys can help too
[12:16] <alkisg> Hi, I'm trying to `apt-get dist-upgrade` a natty chroot, and apport fails to be configured. In /var/log/daemon.log I get:
[12:16] <alkisg> Mar  2 14:11:11 alkis init: apport pre-start process (15957) terminated with status 1
[12:16] <alkisg> Mar  2 14:11:11 alkis init: apport post-stop process (15958) terminated with status 1
[12:16] <alkisg> In apport.postinst there is this call, added by dh_installinit:
[12:17] <alkisg> invoke-rc.d apport start || exit $?
[12:17] <alkisg> So the question is, should that invoke-rc.d call succeed, or should the postinst have an `|| true` at that line?
[12:18] <alkisg> I.e. is it a bug in sysv-rc, meaning that invoke-rc.d should return "true" when inside chroots, or is it a bug in apport?
[12:24] <tsimpson> in chroots you don't want services to be started/stopped/restarted from invoke-rc.d, so you should create a shell script in /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d with just "exit 101"
[12:57] <alkisg> tsimpson: and then manually restore that script when the chroot is actually used to boot a pc?
[12:57] <alkisg> That doesn't sound right, I believe it should be handled automatically
[12:58] <tsimpson> then use http://paste.ubuntu.com/574434/
[12:59] <alkisg> tsimpson: it's a nice workaround, but my point is, why should I need a workaround/
[12:59] <alkisg> Isn't it a bug that needs to be fixed?
[13:00] <tsimpson> because it's supposed to be user-configurable I guess
[13:00] <alkisg> Also why `exit 101` instead of `exit 0`?
[13:00] <tsimpson> it's perfectly possible to have services running from a chroot, it's just that you normally don't wan to
[13:00] <alkisg> And it should also chain to invoke-rc.d when outside of a chroot
[13:00] <tsimpson> 101 means something similar to "permission denied"
[13:01] <alkisg> That would still make the postinst fail though
[13:01] <tsimpson> invoke-rc.d calls /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d, so no
[13:01] <alkisg> Also, except from invoke-rc.d, it's a problem with initctl (upstart) calls as well
[13:01] <tsimpson> oops, I said invoke-rc.d above, I meant policy-rc.d
[13:01] <alkisg> So if invoke-rc.d is supposed to start services, then it's a bug in apport.postinst, it shouldn't fail on chroots
[13:02] <tsimpson> * in chroots you don't want services to be started/stopped/restarted from invoke-rc.d, so you should create a shell script in /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d with just "exit 101"
[13:02] <alkisg> Ah, let me look at policy-rc.d, didn't know about that...
[13:02] <alkisg> (but it's still a problem with upstart services)
[13:02] <tsimpson> invoke-rc.d checks with policy-rc.d to see if it should actually do anything
[13:03] <tsimpson> -> http://people.debian.org/~hmh/invokerc.d-policyrc.d-specification.txt
[13:03] <tsimpson> I'm not sure how current that is, but it's what I found on google
[13:04] <alkisg> Got it, we use policy-rc.d on ltsp as well, I just never looked at it. That's a better workaround for invoke-rc.d, but I think a proper fix is still needed
[13:05] <alkisg> create chroot => install apport => it fails. It just doesn't sound logical that policy-rc.d needs to be created for it not to fail
[13:06] <alkisg> Thank you though for the nice workaround :)
[13:34] <alkisg> I reported the apport/upstart problem in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/727785
[15:19] <platius> looks like my daily live install has gone south. It was almost finished but now is hung on Downloading packages.  Well A3 tomorrow.
[15:31] <pianoboy3333> is narwhal going to include gnome 3?
[15:36] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek Day 3 starting in 25 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[15:38] <yofel> pianoboy3333: no, natty won't have gnome3
[15:38] <platius> hmm, I did a reboot while the install was hung. Apparently it installed enough to reboot into natty.
[15:38] <pianoboy3333> yofel: so I'm guessing october's release will?
[15:39] <yofel> probably, we'll know after UDS
[15:44] <BluesKaj> so I assume the Xorg  stack is still broken ?
[15:48] <yofel> BluesKaj: in what sense?
[15:50] <BluesKaj> that nvidia driver depnds aren't working, yofel
[15:50] <yofel> the nvidia driver works fine here by now
[15:53] <BluesKaj> I'm running an older driver (260.19.06) that seems to be recommended default for my 8400gs . yet my other linux box with the 7600gt uses the newer recommended driver ...strange
[15:55]  * BluesKaj suspects the 8400gs is a upgraded version od the 6series nvidias
[16:35] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, the 260 is longer available in natty. if you still have it there's a problem with your apt sources
[16:35] <ayush_> will kubuntu natty have ubuntu one integration?
[16:35] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, I haven't upgraded to 11.04 yet
[16:35] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, I'm in the process
[16:36] <bjsnider> oh, well, this channel is for natty
[16:36] <bjsnider> you will get the 270 driver when the process is complete
[16:37] <BluesKaj> yeah, no kidding, I tried it a few weeks back but both linuxboxes suffered from nvidia /xorg broken depends probs
[16:39] <BluesKaj> well, I'll know in about 5-6mins, whether Xorg is fixed
[17:34] <MonkeyDust> folk, i'm running 11.04 in vbox but am unable to open a simple gnome terminal, hints & tips?
[17:35] <rumpe1> alt-f2 doesn't work?
[17:36] <charlie-tca> Ctrl+Alt+t to open terminal
[17:37] <charlie-tca> Other handy Unity shortcuts available at http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/keyboard-shortcuts-in-unity/28087#28087
[18:16] <dan2> is git broken in natty?
[19:04] <CarlFK> is there a chance of getting acpiphp added to /etc/modules?
[19:06] <CarlFK> it seems to be the fix for bug 371434 -Reported by       Eric Shattow       on 2009-05-03
[19:14] <AAA_awright> I'm using the development Ubuntu, the side application bar isn't dissappearing anymore, anyone know what's going on?
[19:20] <AAA_awright> Anyone know how to turn off compiz effects? Removing the package removed the desktop UI/title bars altogether, not what I'm going for of course
[19:24] <Ampelbein> !info simple-ccsm | AAA_awright
[19:25] <Ampelbein> AAA_awright: and about the sidebar not disappearing: try rightclicking it.
[19:25] <Ampelbein> AAA_awright: that should toggle between autohide on/off
[19:26] <AAA_awright> Right click where? It brings up application icon-specific settings (usually just "Keep in Launcher")
[19:26] <AAA_awright> The top left corner does nothing
[19:30] <Ampelbein> AAA_awright: oh, right. I think they removed that. You can change the setting with ccsm
[19:31] <AAA_awright> >_< I'll check it out real soon then
[22:10] <xrdodrx> how do I make it so that my app menus go back to how they were before?
[22:10] <xrdodrx> it's very inconsistent as it doesn't work at all in firefox
[22:11] <xrdodrx> and displays only "File" in Chrome
[23:18] <cg2916> hey there, charlie-tca
[23:18] <charlie-tca> Hello
[23:18] <cg2916> is the daily working?
[23:21] <charlie-tca> yup
[23:21] <ActionParsnip> hey guys. how can I edit the item in the shortcuts dialogue please?
[23:21] <charlie-tca> These dailies are the pre-release images for alpha3, which releases tomorrow
[23:22] <ActionParsnip> I dont  use evolution or thunderbird and wanted to add a command etc to it to launch a url for webmail etc
[23:31] <ActionParsnip> I can make a script to be available as an app to achieve it, I just need to know where to add it etc