[01:07] I'm getting erros (couldn't locate) for the unity and unity-2d-panel package, is something up with that? === AndrewMC is now known as SpockVulcan [01:42] night [03:32] i get this error message when updating kubuntu natty E: Error http://ppa.launchpad.net natty/main Sources [03:32] 404 Not Found [03:32] E: Error http://ppa.launchpad.net natty/main amd64 Packages [03:36] I am sick of unity for now. until it's bugs are worked out, I want to use gnome again, and there is no gnome-desktop related startup option. Any ideas? [03:37] matt-vaio: There's an option for "classic" GNOME on the login screen. Try that. [03:37] * rww isn't using natty, can't help much more than that pointer [03:37] rww, thanks but that still didn't work for me [03:37] cpatrick08: you have some ppa in your sources that doesn't provide packages for it [03:37] matt-vaio: odd. Did you still get Unity anyway, or did you get a broken GNOME desktop? [03:38] Good evening. [03:38] well, I did a straight upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04a. everything was smooth. [03:38] and gnome was perfect :) [03:39] matt-vaio, it's generally better if you do a fresh install of the OS when you want to run the development version. Though, the upgrade process has become a lot less painful as it was in the past [03:41] I understand that. the problem is, when I fresh installed, I accidentally set the grub partition in my win7 partition:((( [03:41] and then my hardware got messed up, and now through a series of events, my laptop doesn't suspend anymore, it hibernates instead which is a dread for school. end of spam:>. [03:42] syn-ack, I'll have to. I'll lose all my backups and stuff, but w/e. [03:42] ty [03:43] matt-vaio, Do what I do [03:43] keep your /~ on it's own partition [03:43] that way, when you do have to do that, you're not nuking the entire install. Only the system partition [03:43] yea, with 10.10, they added that choice thing. and out of curiosity, I did it differently:P [03:44] which cost me [03:44] They've had it like that since Warty. [03:45] well, choice wise, not advanced properties and stuff. [03:45] I've figured out the partitioning stuff already, so it isn't hard. [03:45] Hell, it's been like that since I started using linux back in '98 :P [03:45] meh, I just started using it a year ago. [03:50] Yay.... natty go breaky [03:50] Dude, tell me about it [03:51] with less than a month to go, I'm surprised that we're only in A2... Though, I've not beta tested in quite a while [03:51] how can you beta test without a beta release? [03:52] You know what I mean. :P [03:55] ah.... [03:55] It's be that broke it - by removing initramfs-tools from the system :P === SpockVulcan is now known as AndrewMC [04:19] ugh [04:19] breaky breaky === hiredgoo1 is now known as hiredgoon === _LibertyZero is now known as LibertyZero [06:49] hi, all. ubuntu10.10 how to upgrade to natty? when upgrade python2.6 to python2.7 , always failed [07:05] Good morning [07:05] Was there some know issue with latest updates -- i updated about 14h ago and now when i reboot i have no networking -- network manager shows red cross and the 'wired' connection is grayd out [07:05] manual setting of network (ifconfig ...) works fine [07:08] ah: [1299048457.420478] [main.c:701] main(): failed to start the DHCP manager: no usable DHCP client could be found.. [07:11] Why I cant find bug assosiated with this [07:12] susundberg: there was no update to network-manager in the last days [07:13] Any ideas where the issue came from? I am very sure i didnt manually remove dhcp client [07:15] Here are latest changes from history.log: http://susundberg.pastebin.com/bKvEyEFA [07:15] There is for example: isc-dhcp-common:amd64 (4.1.1-P1-15ubuntu3, 4.1.1-P1-15ubuntu4) [07:16] susundberg: yeah, that should be bug 724556 [07:16] Launchpad bug 724556 in isc-dhcp (Ubuntu Natty) "[Natty] isc-dhcp update breaks network connection" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/724556 [07:17] susundberg: -ubuntu5 got published on 24th february [07:18] Mhh what does 'fix released' mean -- fix is available but its not yet on repos? [07:18] susundberg: no, fix released=fix is in repository. [07:19] (that is Natty main) [07:19] yeah [07:19] I'm getting this error when upgrading: http://paste.ubuntu.com/574326/ [07:19] susundberg: the package fixing that bug is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/isc-dhcp/4.1.1-P1-15ubuntu5, published on 24.feb [07:21] So my local mirror is just lagging (as apt-get update says i am up to date)? [07:21] (thanks btw) [07:22] susundberg: what mirror are you on? [07:22] http://fi.archive.ubuntu.com [07:24] Well day is just starting in here in Finland so mayby i'll wait for a while ;) [07:25] susundberg: that mirror should have the files, http://fi.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/i/isc-dhcp/ [07:25] susundberg: you sure you did run apt-get update? ;-) [07:26] jml: can you file a bug about that upgrade please? [07:26] weird. but yes, i did [07:26] Ampelbein: sure. against what? [07:27] http://susundberg.pastebin.com/UUPMLE7n [07:27] jml: udev, please attach relevant log files [07:28] susundberg: eek, root [07:28] Ampelbein: which log files, do you think? [07:29] jml: /var/log/apt/term.log, /var/log/dpkg.log, if possible, only include the parts where the error is [07:29] Ampelbein: ok. will do. thanks. [07:30] Ampelbein: http://fi.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/binary-amd64/ -- Packages.bz2 contains only ubuntu4 [07:30] oh mayby i'll wait for a moment [07:31] Well you cant run apt-get update as normal user ... [07:31] susundberg: that's what sudo is for. [07:32] Yeah. I just prefer not to prefix my all commands with 'sudo' [07:33] but that eagerness to use 'root' certainly originates from debian times .. [07:34] susundberg: ok. ;-) about the mirror: did you actually get any updates in the last days? [07:35] Well dont know, i updated yesterday after some days [07:35] but the Packages.bz2 is dated " 24-Feb-2011 " [07:35] susundberg: yes, that's what makes me wonder [07:35] So it seems like it hasnt been really up-to-date .. [07:38] Ampelbein: Again, thanks for the help! I consider issue solved :) [07:38] susundberg: no problem ;-) [07:56] Ampelbein: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/727633 [07:56] Ubuntu bug 727633 in udev (Ubuntu) "Failed upgrade to udev" [Undecided,New] [07:57] jml: thanks [08:13] Ampelbein: somebody in .fi channel just mentioned that he got 800MB of updates after changing mirror to .se :) [10:24] hi [10:26] why when i change virtual desktop the background moves with the windows? it have no sense, the virtual desktop is the work desktop, the background should be static, is there a way to change that? thanks [10:31] Yes [10:31] Can you teld me how, please. [10:31] Yeah i was just checking [10:32] And, the dock, is configurable? Or, in case that not, will be in the future? [10:32] Oh sorry, Kde or Gnome or something else? [10:32] Unity [10:32] xD [10:32] Sorry, don't know -- i would google or search through options [10:33] Options... Where? :D [10:41] hey, can anyone help me? i have problem with rhel but nobody wake in there, i believe you guys can help too === Seldon is now known as Hardin [12:16] Hi, I'm trying to `apt-get dist-upgrade` a natty chroot, and apport fails to be configured. In /var/log/daemon.log I get: [12:16] Mar 2 14:11:11 alkis init: apport pre-start process (15957) terminated with status 1 [12:16] Mar 2 14:11:11 alkis init: apport post-stop process (15958) terminated with status 1 [12:16] In apport.postinst there is this call, added by dh_installinit: [12:17] invoke-rc.d apport start || exit $? [12:17] So the question is, should that invoke-rc.d call succeed, or should the postinst have an `|| true` at that line? [12:18] I.e. is it a bug in sysv-rc, meaning that invoke-rc.d should return "true" when inside chroots, or is it a bug in apport? [12:24] in chroots you don't want services to be started/stopped/restarted from invoke-rc.d, so you should create a shell script in /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d with just "exit 101" [12:57] tsimpson: and then manually restore that script when the chroot is actually used to boot a pc? [12:57] That doesn't sound right, I believe it should be handled automatically [12:58] then use http://paste.ubuntu.com/574434/ [12:59] tsimpson: it's a nice workaround, but my point is, why should I need a workaround/ [12:59] Isn't it a bug that needs to be fixed? [13:00] because it's supposed to be user-configurable I guess [13:00] Also why `exit 101` instead of `exit 0`? [13:00] it's perfectly possible to have services running from a chroot, it's just that you normally don't wan to [13:00] And it should also chain to invoke-rc.d when outside of a chroot [13:00] 101 means something similar to "permission denied" [13:01] That would still make the postinst fail though [13:01] invoke-rc.d calls /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d, so no [13:01] Also, except from invoke-rc.d, it's a problem with initctl (upstart) calls as well [13:01] oops, I said invoke-rc.d above, I meant policy-rc.d [13:01] So if invoke-rc.d is supposed to start services, then it's a bug in apport.postinst, it shouldn't fail on chroots [13:02] * in chroots you don't want services to be started/stopped/restarted from invoke-rc.d, so you should create a shell script in /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d with just "exit 101" [13:02] Ah, let me look at policy-rc.d, didn't know about that... [13:02] (but it's still a problem with upstart services) [13:02] invoke-rc.d checks with policy-rc.d to see if it should actually do anything [13:03] -> http://people.debian.org/~hmh/invokerc.d-policyrc.d-specification.txt [13:03] I'm not sure how current that is, but it's what I found on google [13:04] Got it, we use policy-rc.d on ltsp as well, I just never looked at it. That's a better workaround for invoke-rc.d, but I think a proper fix is still needed [13:05] create chroot => install apport => it fails. It just doesn't sound logical that policy-rc.d needs to be created for it not to fail [13:06] Thank you though for the nice workaround :) [13:34] I reported the apport/upstart problem in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/727785 [13:34] Ubuntu bug 727785 in upstart (Ubuntu) "apport fails to be configured in chroots" [Undecided,New] [15:19] looks like my daily live install has gone south. It was almost finished but now is hung on Downloading packages. Well A3 tomorrow. [15:31] is narwhal going to include gnome 3? [15:36] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek Day 3 starting in 25 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom [15:38] pianoboy3333: no, natty won't have gnome3 [15:38] hmm, I did a reboot while the install was hung. Apparently it installed enough to reboot into natty. [15:38] yofel: so I'm guessing october's release will? [15:39] probably, we'll know after UDS [15:44] so I assume the Xorg stack is still broken ? [15:48] BluesKaj: in what sense? [15:50] that nvidia driver depnds aren't working, yofel [15:50] the nvidia driver works fine here by now [15:53] I'm running an older driver (260.19.06) that seems to be recommended default for my 8400gs . yet my other linux box with the 7600gt uses the newer recommended driver ...strange [15:55] * BluesKaj suspects the 8400gs is a upgraded version od the 6series nvidias === _LibertyZero is now known as LibertyZero [16:35] BluesKaj, the 260 is longer available in natty. if you still have it there's a problem with your apt sources [16:35] will kubuntu natty have ubuntu one integration? [16:35] bjsnider, I haven't upgraded to 11.04 yet [16:35] bjsnider, I'm in the process [16:36] oh, well, this channel is for natty [16:36] you will get the 270 driver when the process is complete [16:37] yeah, no kidding, I tried it a few weeks back but both linuxboxes suffered from nvidia /xorg broken depends probs [16:39] well, I'll know in about 5-6mins, whether Xorg is fixed === Tohuw1 is now known as Tohuw === cmagina is now known as cmagina-lunch [17:34] folk, i'm running 11.04 in vbox but am unable to open a simple gnome terminal, hints & tips? [17:35] alt-f2 doesn't work? [17:36] Ctrl+Alt+t to open terminal [17:37] Other handy Unity shortcuts available at http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/keyboard-shortcuts-in-unity/28087#28087 === Tohuw1 is now known as Tohuw === cmagina-lunch is now known as cmagina [18:16] is git broken in natty? [19:04] is there a chance of getting acpiphp added to /etc/modules? [19:06] it seems to be the fix for bug 371434 -Reported by Eric Shattow on 2009-05-03 [19:06] Launchpad bug 371434 in linux (Ubuntu) "PCI ExpressCard hotplug requires pciehp.pciehp_force=1" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/371434 [19:14] I'm using the development Ubuntu, the side application bar isn't dissappearing anymore, anyone know what's going on? [19:20] Anyone know how to turn off compiz effects? Removing the package removed the desktop UI/title bars altogether, not what I'm going for of course [19:24] !info simple-ccsm | AAA_awright [19:24] AAA_awright: simple-ccsm (source: simple-ccsm): Simple Compizconfig settings manager. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.8.2-0ubuntu1 (natty), package size 50 kB, installed size 620 kB [19:25] AAA_awright: and about the sidebar not disappearing: try rightclicking it. [19:25] AAA_awright: that should toggle between autohide on/off [19:26] Right click where? It brings up application icon-specific settings (usually just "Keep in Launcher") [19:26] The top left corner does nothing [19:30] AAA_awright: oh, right. I think they removed that. You can change the setting with ccsm [19:31] >_< I'll check it out real soon then === marcos_ is now known as Daekdroom === slyrus_ is now known as slyrus [22:10] how do I make it so that my app menus go back to how they were before? [22:10] it's very inconsistent as it doesn't work at all in firefox [22:11] and displays only "File" in Chrome [23:18] hey there, charlie-tca [23:18] Hello [23:18] is the daily working? [23:21] yup [23:21] hey guys. how can I edit the item in the shortcuts dialogue please? [23:21] These dailies are the pre-release images for alpha3, which releases tomorrow [23:22] I dont use evolution or thunderbird and wanted to add a command etc to it to launch a url for webmail etc [23:31] I can make a script to be available as an app to achieve it, I just need to know where to add it etc