[00:25] <johnny77> Is there a way to see what CPU specifications in ubuntu?
[00:25] <ibuclaw> johnny77, cat /proc/cpuinfo
[00:27] <charlie-tca> lspci or lshw both give information, I don't know how much, though
[00:27] <charlie-tca> or, what ibuclaw said ;-)
[00:55] <ameer> some help please ?
[00:56] <s-fox> What do you require help with ameer ?
[00:56] <ameer> i have ubuntu 10.10
[00:56] <ameer> installed already ms office 2007 by wine ...
[00:57] <ameer> and i need an english mui for it
[00:58] <holstein> what is 'mui' ?
[00:59] <ameer> like in windows .. lang package ...
[01:00] <ameer> opst am sorry ...
[01:01] <ameer> i just saied the word windows
[01:01] <ameer> i hope no body got hurt :P
[01:02] <s-fox> ameer,  I am not sure, but found this page on microsoft website with language pack downloads for office 2007 - http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/downloads/office-language-interface-pack-lip-downloads-HA001113350.aspx
[01:03] <s-fox> or do you need something like dictionary ameer ?
[01:04] <ameer> its not the thing that i don't understand
[01:04] <ameer> all the office is appearing with no language
[01:05] <ameer> 'cause it is originaly in hebrew
[01:05] <ameer> and it appears like ????????????
[01:05] <ameer> "?????????????????"
[01:06] <ameer> every thing is "????"
[01:06] <holstein> ameer: yeah, but whats the problem ?
[01:06] <holstein> ;0
[01:06] <holstein> ameer: did you check that link?
[01:06] <ameer> yess
[01:06] <holstein> and try adding a language pack?
[01:06] <ameer> how do i add a language pack ?
[01:07] <holstein> im sure there are directions somewhere
[01:07] <holstein> however you do it in windows
[01:07] <ameer> there is no english hebrew or arabic in the link witch is the languages i speak
[01:07] <holstein> ameer: does microsoft supply english hebrew or arabic?
[01:08] <holstein> ameer: maybe you could try english
[01:08] <holstein> and see if you can get out of the ?????'s
[01:09] <ameer> ok i'll keep trying and looking for something to do
[01:09] <ameer> thnx guys
[01:19] <s-fox> ttfn
[03:21] <jcollierdavis> in synaptic, you can list packages by source.  Is there a way to do that in aptitude?
[03:31] <JackyAlcine> How much space is needed to make a mirror of the Universe repo?
[03:46] <omsniffiscent> Can someone translate "I tried out latest hack git 1.1.38 and it works to play" into english? I tried googling "git" and "hack git" and it just brings up random stuff. I don't know what this is.
[03:47] <omsniffiscent> doing man git in a terminal says there's no manual entry.
[03:48] <geirha> You want the package called "git-core"
[03:49] <geirha> Assuming you mean the VCS named git
[03:50] <ddecator> omsniffiscent: are you asking "what is git?"
[03:50] <omsniffiscent> yes
[03:50] <omsniffiscent> Wikipedia is, as always, convoluted to the point of obsurdity.
[03:51] <omsniffiscent> "Distributed revision control system" is no help. I don't know what those words mean either lol.
[03:52] <ddecator> git is a Version Control System (VCS). it is used by developers to upload, host, and download code. it's similar to bzr (used by ubuntu), svn, hg (mercurial), etc.
[03:52] <ddecator> that's the simple version
[03:53] <ddecator> is that any help?
[03:53] <omsniffiscent> Isn't that what a PPA is?
[03:54] <omsniffiscent> Or.... Sourceforge?
[03:54] <ddecator> a PPA is just an archive on launchpad, which uses bzr. the actual working with the code (pulling it, working on it, and uploading it) is done with bzr
[03:54] <ddecator> those are the sites where you can see the code or download the source/packages. the underlying system is git/bzr/hg/svn/etc.
[03:55] <ddecator> so for a PPA
[03:56] <omsniffiscent> ok. It's starting to make sense. But how does hacking git help install a game (champions online)? It's not open source.
[03:56] <ddecator> a person pulls some code using bzr, makes changes to the code, then uploads to their PPA on launchpad using bzr. launchpad then builds it and makes it available via the PPA. on launchpad you can view the code using loggerhead, which is the site front-end that lets you see the contents of a bzr branch
[03:57] <ddecator> i'm not sure how it could help install a game...
[03:59] <omsniffiscent> Well thanks for the layman's explanation. Wikipedia has become word salad to me.
[03:59] <ddecator> unless it's a different git, but the VCS git is the only one i'm familiar with
[03:59] <omsniffiscent> That's his whole post. In response to "the developers broke the game with the latest patch". So there are no context clues.
[03:59] <ddecator> omsniffiscent: that tends to happen with technology-related things. there's a lot of jargon involved :p
[04:00] <omsniffiscent> But I'm the tech savvy one to my friends. :(
[04:00] <ddecator> maybe he used git to download the source and hacked the game and got it to work?
[04:00] <omsniffiscent> Switching to Linux has made me feel like an idiot.
[04:00] <ddecator> haha, it's just different. i think switching to linux is easier then mac to windows or vice-versa
[04:00] <ddecator> than*
[04:01] <omsniffiscent> I don't go near macs. They're weird.
[04:01] <omsniffiscent> It's all 100% proprietary. Like, one program to rule them all. Scary.
[04:01] <ddecator> i hate that it's setup so you basically rent the products from them. but to each his own
[04:02] <ddecator> or her..
[04:02] <omsniffiscent> I can see the appeal to the artsy people. Sorta.
[04:03] <ddecator> it's user friendly, i'll give them that. that's the main reason my friends use any apple products is because, along with being "cool," they're easy to figure out
[04:03] <omsniffiscent> Linux is like a hobby for me now.
[04:04] <ddecator> that's how it starts :p
[04:04] <omsniffiscent> I just wish my games would work!
[04:05] <ddecator> when steam comes to linux, we will all be very happy
[04:05] <omsniffiscent> If GW2 doesn't work with OpenGL I'm going to have to dual boot.
[04:05] <ddecator> you could try WINE
[04:05] <omsniffiscent> There's no word whether or not GW2 will be exclusively DX10.
[04:05] <geirha> wine uses git for the source code iirc
[04:05] <ddecator> omsniffiscent: what's GW2 exactly?
[04:05] <geirha> That's probably what is meant by "hacking git", hacking wine's source code to make it run the windows game.
[04:05] <omsniffiscent> AFAIK OpenGL doesn't support DirectX above 9.
[04:06] <ddecator> geirha: maybe. that'd be a weird way of wording it, but that whole sentence barely makes sense
[04:06] <omsniffiscent> Guild Wars 2.
[04:06] <JackyAlcine> omsniffiscent: I like your aurora, you'll fit in nicely here.
[04:06] <omsniffiscent> Well I'm glad I'm not the only one who didn't understand it :)
[04:06] <omsniffiscent> I've been here for about three months. I'm going through an identity crisis :)
[04:06] <ddecator> hm, wine mentions Guild Wars, which works perfectly
[04:06] <omsniffiscent> I'm MrAnthrope.
[04:06] <ddecator> no mention of Guild Wars 2 though
[04:07] <omsniffiscent> yes, Guild Wars was actively developed with WINE :)
[04:07] <geirha> omsniffiscent: opengl and directx has no relation
[04:07] <ddecator> JackyAlcine: i like the cut of your jib
[04:07] <omsniffiscent> ArenaNet made sure it works perfectly with wine. I'm hoping there's the same co-operation with GW2 and wine.
[04:07] <omsniffiscent> I thought OpenGL was the FOSS version of DirectX?
[04:08] <ddecator> well the first one worked perfectly, so there is hope
[04:08] <geirha> omsniffiscent: wine doesn't do directx very well, but guild wars, like WoW, probably has an option to use OpenGL instead
[04:08] <omsniffiscent> Guild Wars pretty much feels native.
[04:08] <omsniffiscent> I had to tweak some sound stuff.
[04:08]  * ddecator wishes TF2 did
[04:09] <geirha> omsniffiscent: No, Microsoft didn't like OpenGL, so they made their own system, from scratch.
[04:09] <omsniffiscent> But OpenGL is a bit "behind" DirectX right?
[04:09] <ddecator> well, depends how you look at it
[04:09] <omsniffiscent> So if GW2 decides to only support DirectX 10, I'm out of luck.
[04:10] <omsniffiscent> But if there is a DirectX 9 or an OpenGL option, I'm in the clear.
[04:10] <ddecator> DirectX is mainly used as the standard because Microsoft made sure that was the case. OpenGL is capable enough
[04:11] <ddecator> speaking of TF2...lets see if the situation has improved at all
[04:18] <omsniffiscent> Are there plans to bring Steam to Linux?
[04:19] <ddecator> not officially
[04:19] <ddecator> several games work with wine though
[04:20] <omsniffiscent> I have Steam installed.
[04:20] <omsniffiscent> I tried to install/run a game demo and it failed. Haven't used it since.
[04:22] <ddecator> i'm downloading updates for TF2 and the TF2 beta right now :)
[04:22] <ddecator> i'm pulling down 4.2 MB/sec...whoa
[04:35] <ddecator> well, tf2 works, but no audio still :/
[04:46] <Cheri703> ddecator: I tried to get husband set up with steam in ubuntu, and we could NOT get it to work properly
[04:46] <Cheri703> *steam in wine in ubuntu
[04:47] <holstein> yeah, we need steam native
[04:47] <holstein> and will get it :)
[04:47] <Cheri703> that's the main thing keeping him in windows
[04:47] <omsniffiscent> I remember it was really hard to get the launcher working.
[04:47] <omsniffiscent> I have no idea what I did D:
[04:47] <ddecator> holstein: have you heard any news on that front?
[04:47] <omsniffiscent> I think it was something to do with Internet Explorer.
[04:48] <holstein> ddecator: nah, im not dropping any news
[04:48] <holstein> steam for OSX is out right?
[04:48] <ddecator> holstein: to google it is
[04:48] <ddecator> holstein: yah
[04:48] <ddecator> has been for quite a while
[04:48] <ddecator> end of last year
[04:48] <Cheri703> last summer or thereabouts there was something that claimed it was coming
[04:49] <Cheri703> dunno
[04:50] <holstein> eh, we'll get it
[04:50] <holstein> just have to wait on it
[04:51] <ddecator> about the time they finish it, it'll all be in the browser :p
[04:51] <omsniffiscent> Isn't Linux more of an OS that gamers use than Mac? We just usually dual boot Linux and Windows. Mac users don't usually dual boot because they have macs for art things they need and that's all they do.
[04:52] <omsniffiscent> I just don't get what's so hard about releasing games for Windows, mac, and Linux. They realease games for Xbox and PS3 all the time. Is there really so much more overhead?
[04:53] <JackyAlcine> omsniffiscent: The systems aren't the same, there's a whole complex, magical story behind it, but I think I can summarize to one thing.
[04:53] <omsniffiscent> heh
[04:54] <holstein> art things?
[04:54] <omsniffiscent> You know those crazy Mac kids and their art projects.
[04:54] <ddecator> omsniffiscent: the industry doesn't think linux users are a good source of profit, which seems to inlcude steam. the indie humble bundles have changed that somewhat
[04:54] <holstein> yeah, i use ubuntustudio for my art projects
[04:54] <omsniffiscent> Good on ya. :)
[04:54] <holstein> :)
[04:55] <holstein> i tend to take notice if i think someone is implying that linux is not up to the task
[04:55] <JackyAlcine> Well, lol, I thought I could, meh, I know it deals a lot with ABI.
[04:55] <ddecator> holstein: good
[04:55] <omsniffiscent> lol thanks anyway Jacky
[04:56] <omsniffiscent> Macintosh was one of the first operating systems to have adjustable width font. At that time, all other OSs had fixed-width fonts, which looked crappy. The nice font renderings drew some of the more aesthetic/artsy folk to the OS.
[04:56] <omsniffiscent> And mac is a leader in that field today.
[04:57] <omsniffiscent> In no way did I mean to imply Linux can't do it better :)
[04:57] <omsniffiscent> and fo free
[04:57] <holstein> we are getting some nice video options
[04:58] <holstein> audio is quite nice
[04:58] <JackyAlcine> holstein: Didn't we just lose H.264?
[04:58] <holstein> with JACK and ardour
[04:58] <ddecator> i think it's more fair to say adobe is the leader rather than mac or windows, although macs do seem to have more in terms of music writing/recording/etc.
[04:58] <holstein> JackyAlcine: i think so :/
[04:58] <holstein> im not a video guy really
[04:58] <JackyAlcine> That's definitely a cut; I hope either an open source version of such a format, or they do a Fluendo and play nice.
[04:58] <JackyAlcine> ddecator: +1
[04:59] <JackyAlcine> But GIMP has so many more features than Photoshop.
[04:59] <JackyAlcine> It's not even fair.
[04:59] <holstein> theres an open one
[04:59] <JackyAlcine> It's because the learning curve for GIMP is incredible.
[04:59] <holstein> open 264 like
[04:59] <holstein> i forget what its called
[04:59] <ddecator> photoshop does some things better and is more familiar
[04:59] <holstein> but, it would be a stretch for major adoption to happen
[04:59] <ddecator> plus there is the other parts of the suite, including flash creation
[05:00] <holstein> ddecator: cmyk right?
[05:00] <omsniffiscent> Yeah I got Photoshop with my WACOM board. I can't use it. GIMP is just so much easier.
[05:00] <bioterror> JackyAlcine, http://www.gimpshop.com/
[05:00] <holstein> i have a friend that needs that, and cant use the GIMP
[05:00] <ddecator> holstein: cmyk?
[05:00]  * holstein shrugs
[05:00] <JackyAlcine> bioterror: Lol, how many newbies would know about that one?
[05:00] <holstein> i was hoping you would know ;)
[05:00] <holstein> its an output
[05:00]  * ddecator is confused
[05:00] <JackyAlcine> ddecator: Cyan Magenta Yellow ... ? I know that's it though.
[05:00] <JackyAlcine> It's a color space.
[05:00] <ddecator> oooooooh
[05:00] <JackyAlcine> Like HSV
[05:00] <holstein> yeah ^^
[05:00] <JackyAlcine> or RGB
[05:01]  * JackyAlcine loves his graphic design classes. :D
[05:01] <ddecator> heh, we got really off topic
[05:01] <jledbetter> k == black
[05:01] <JackyAlcine> lol, you know what that means?
[05:01]  * jledbetter loves her design classes ;)
[05:01] <JackyAlcine> jledbetter: Really? No wonder I kept getting that wrong.. lol
[05:02] <jledbetter> JackyAlcine, It's all good :) So you do graphic design?
[05:03] <jledbetter> omnDo you do Inkscape too?
[05:03] <jledbetter> oops
[05:03] <jledbetter> omsniffiscent, Do you do Inkscape too?
[05:03] <JackyAlcine> lol, but yeah, a bit, it's a class that came with my major in school.
[05:04] <JackyAlcine> That, photography and web design.
[05:04] <Cheri703> rgb is additive color, cmyk is subtractive (or whatever) color
[05:04] <JackyAlcine> Actually, I'm playing with this site (http://jackyalcine.co.cc)
[05:04]  * Cheri703 had to learn that stuff when working for xerox
[05:04] <omsniffiscent> Never heard of Inkscape.
[05:05] <ddecator> it's the go-to for svg
[05:05] <omsniffiscent> !svg
[05:05] <ubot2> svg is Scalable Vector Graphics, a language used for graphical applications in XML, and a W3 recommendation. SVG Editors: Inkscape, Karbon14
[05:05] <holstein> JackyAlcine: nice :)
[05:05] <omsniffiscent> I don't use any graphical XML apps... afaik.
[05:05] <Cheri703> inkscape is amaaaazing
[05:06] <jledbetter> +1 Cheri703
[05:06] <holstein> nice tutorials in inkscape too
[05:23] <xAndromeda> does anybody know the name of that terminal program that lets you browse packages?
[05:23] <xAndromeda> i had it but forgot the name lul :/
[05:23] <bioterror> explain more
[05:23] <xAndromeda> starts with an a
[05:23] <bioterror> installed?
[05:23] <bioterror> aptitude
[05:23] <xAndromeda> awsome!!!
[05:24] <head_victim> aptitude or apt-get ?
[05:24] <xAndromeda> love ya
[05:24] <xAndromeda> it was aptitude
[05:24] <xAndromeda> lol
[05:24] <bioterror> aptitude-curses
[05:24] <head_victim> Awww bioterror you're too quick.
[05:24] <head_victim> I don't know about aptitude but I certainly curse
[05:24] <bioterror> head_victim, my weife says the same :(
[05:24] <xAndromeda> ^_^
[05:24] <head_victim> bioterror: TMI ?
[05:24] <bioterror> wife even
[05:24] <bioterror> i have too big thumbs for this keyboard
[05:25]  * head_victim goes back to writing his job application :/ 4 pages of writing, feels like I'm back at uni
[05:26] <bioterror> haha
[05:42] <TylerDeLawder> Hello
[05:42] <TylerDeLawder> So I have a pretty stupid question...
[05:43] <TylerDeLawder> I am wanting to download Ubuntu but I am on a Laptop and I am a little confused on what to download.. Do I download the desktop version or the Netbook?
[05:44] <bioterror> desktop
[05:44] <bioterror> netbook is designed for 10" and smaller screens
[05:44] <TylerDeLawder> Okay now can I set it up do dual boot?
[05:44] <TylerDeLawder> or Boot from a external Hard drive?
[05:45] <omsniffiscent> Dual booting with windows?
[05:45] <TylerDeLawder> Yes
[05:46] <omsniffiscent> It's possible. I haven't done it myself. And you can do the "try it out" option if you'd like. Instead of installing it.
[05:46] <TylerDeLawder> But wont that run a lot slower?
[05:47] <omsniffiscent> From a CD yeah. From a USB slightly.
[05:47] <TylerDeLawder> My External Hard Drive is considered a USB correct?
[05:47] <omsniffiscent> Yes.
[05:48] <TylerDeLawder> Okay So Can I install it to my external hard drive and make it boot from there?
[05:48] <omsniffiscent> uhh... I wouldn't see why not. I'm no expert, though.
[05:48] <TylerDeLawder> Okay Thanks!
[05:49] <omsniffiscent> :)
[05:49] <xAndromeda> hey err me again,
[05:50] <xAndromeda> i partitioned off 4.2 gb of ram
[05:50] <xAndromeda> *memory
[05:50] <xAndromeda> for swap
[05:50] <xAndromeda> and i have 4gb of ram
[05:50] <xAndromeda> yet when i hybrinate
[05:50] <xAndromeda> the screen just goes black indefinately
[05:50] <xAndromeda> but lit
[05:50] <omsniffiscent> Oh I think that's an issue with Ubuntu... D:
[05:50] <omsniffiscent> !hibernate
[05:50] <ubot2> Factoid 'hibernate' not found
[05:50] <omsniffiscent> :/
[05:51] <bioterror> !suspend
[05:51] <ubot2> Factoid 'suspend' not found
[05:51] <bioterror> :D
[05:51] <omsniffiscent> lol
[05:51] <xAndromeda> what?
[05:52] <xAndromeda> O.o
[05:55] <seidos> maybe i should get a network monitor
[05:56] <TylerDeLawder> @xAndromeda Did you install Ubuntu inside of windows?
[05:58] <seidos> and i'm essentially on my own
[05:58] <Cheri703> xAndromeda: is it a laptop or a desktop?
[05:58] <Cheri703> seidos: what do you mean by network monitor?
[05:59] <omsniffiscent> So, I installed 10.04 in a Virtualbox to see what this Unity thing is all about. I did sudo apt-add-repository ppa:canonical-dx-team/une and then I did the apt update but when I do sudo apt-get install unity it says there's no unity package
[06:00] <Cheri703> 10.04 doesn't have unity
[06:00] <Cheri703> 10.10 netbook and 11.04 have unity
[06:00] <omsniffiscent> There's no way to add it?
[06:00] <Cheri703> not to my knowledge, you're probably wanting 11.04
[06:01] <omsniffiscent> I can't download 11.04 it'd take weeks.
[06:01] <omsniffiscent> My roommate torrents constantly and takes all the bandwidth.
[06:01] <Cheri703> xAndromeda: please ask first before pm'ing. It may matter which type, because some laptop hardware doesn't handle the hibernate command properly
[06:01] <Cheri703> omsniffiscent: you can download it via torrent (at least full releases, not sure about pre-release), perhaps have him do it?
[06:02] <TylerDeLawder> where can i download 11.04
[06:02] <omsniffiscent> www.ubuntu.com :P
[06:03] <omsniffiscent> I've been trying to torrent a virtual copy of Arch Linux for weeks.
[06:03] <TylerDeLawder> i only see 1010
[06:03] <TylerDeLawder> 10.10
[06:03] <Cheri703> so...who pays for the internet?
[06:03] <xAndromeda> oh O.o
[06:03] <omsniffiscent> I gots no bandwidth. We split it.
[06:04] <Cheri703> so...if you both share the bill, he should limit his bandwidth, no?
[06:04] <omsniffiscent> TylerDeLawder: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/alpha1
[06:04] <Cheri703> TylerDeLawder: https://encrypted.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS240&q=download+ubuntu+11.04&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=
[06:04] <Cheri703> :)
[06:05] <Cheri703> xAndromeda: google your laptop model ubuntu hibernate and see what you get
[06:05] <omsniffiscent> The problem is she doesn't understand how. I've told her like 800 times what numbers she needs to put in upload and download. She's not stupid. I think she just doesn't want to limit herself.
[06:05] <Cheri703> hmm...
[06:06] <Cheri703> can you discuss scheduling? say "limited bandwidth during the day, unlimited at night" and see if she agrees?
[06:06] <Cheri703> (sorry for assuming your roommate was a he)
[06:06] <Cheri703> omsniffiscent: can you download it outside the house? like at school or a coffee shop or something?
[06:07] <omsniffiscent> The problem with that is she stays up all night and sleeps all day. She torrents while she's sleeping. Which is when I'm awake. We've discussed it, she thinks she's being considerate only torrenting while she's asleep.
[06:07] <omsniffiscent> Also while she's awake she constantly has netflix streaming.
[06:07] <Cheri703> o.O
[06:07] <Cheri703> that's annoying
[06:07] <omsniffiscent> And if I do anything she yells at me that netflix 'is broken'.
[06:08] <Cheri703> what torrent software does she use?
[06:08] <omsniffiscent> I don't have a laptop.
[06:08] <Cheri703> do you have access to her computer at any time?
[06:08] <omsniffiscent> Something weird I've never heard of. But it has limiters on it. I've typed them into it before.
[06:08] <omsniffiscent> Heh. That's umm... not territory I'm willing to go into. Yet.
[06:08] <Cheri703> well...
[06:08] <Cheri703> can I pm you? I have an idea
[06:09] <omsniffiscent> Last time I used her laptop to play a video on my giant screen LCDTV she flipped out and we didn't talk for a week.
[06:09] <omsniffiscent> Please, do.
[06:15] <seidos> all right, why would i use 32bit (old) when i can use 64bit (new)...i get it
[06:16] <omsniffiscent> lol what?
[06:16] <seidos> what version of ubuntu will be offered only in 64bit?
[06:16]  * seidos facepalms
[06:16] <seidos> hopefully this works
[06:17] <seidos> i wonder if someday there will be like only one university in each country for IS
[06:17] <seidos> anywho
[06:20] <bioterror> seidos, back in the days 64bit was less supported
[06:20] <bioterror> as you can see that in few months we have just got a 64bit flash :D
[06:20] <seidos> D:
[06:20] <bioterror> and still is by some parts
[06:20] <seidos> bbl
[06:22] <JackyAlcine> bioterror: 64-bit computing is possible when you have over 4 Ghz of memory?
[06:22] <bioterror> 4GHz of memory? :D
[06:22]  * JackyAlcine headbangs.
[06:22] <JackyAlcine> Lol
[06:22] <JackyAlcine> 4GHz of computing power! lol
[06:22] <JackyAlcine> I have 6Ghz on this other PC here.
[06:22] <bioterror> yes, 64bit kernel supports over 3GB of RAM by default
[06:23] <JackyAlcine> Ah, so under 3GB, it wouldn't work, no?
[06:23] <bioterror> with 32bit you have to go for the PAE (Physical Address Extension) and you can have up to 64GB of RAM
[06:23] <bioterror> it wont show more than 3GB
[06:23] <JackyAlcine> Hmm. Okay.
[06:24] <bioterror> and you can wonder yourself is it smart to waste that ~4GB of ram for a bigger address spaces and so on....
[06:24] <bioterror> for example
[06:24] <bioterror> hmmm
[06:24] <bioterror> if you say "ifconfig"
[06:24] <bioterror> you will see the TX and RX
[06:24] <bioterror> with 32bit system it will start for 0 after 4GB
[06:25] <bioterror> and with 64bit
[06:25] <bioterror>           RX bytes:310611819551 (296222.5 Mb)  TX bytes:584285327696 (557217.9 Mb)
[06:25] <bioterror> from 0
[06:26] <JackyAlcine> Hmm.
[06:47] <TylerDeLawder> Okay so is there away to boot Ubuntu Desktop Edition from my External Hard Drive I changed the boot order and placed the .iso on my exteral and it just stays black
[06:48] <TylerDeLawder> #ubuntu
[06:48] <Cheri703> you have to use the usb startup disk creator
[06:49] <Cheri703> or just install it to the external
[06:49] <Cheri703> the boot loader can't read the iso
[06:49] <bioterror> !install
[06:49] <ubot2> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall - Don't want to use a CD? See http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[07:45] <omsniffiscent> Woo. Almost crashed linux.
[07:49] <JackyAlcine> Awesome :)
[08:01] <xAndromeda> hey how do you get past the aptitude eula screen?
[08:01] <xAndromeda> thteres an ok button but its not working O.o
[08:01] <Cheri703> tab
[08:01] <Cheri703> and enter
[08:01] <xAndromeda> awsome!
[08:01] <Cheri703> :)
[08:01] <Cheri703> took me a bit the first time
[08:02] <xAndromeda> :D
[08:23] <xAndromeda> yay suspend is fixed :D but still no hibrinate
[08:23] <xAndromeda> sad panda :(
[08:24] <bioterror> :D
[08:24] <bioterror> small victories
[08:25] <xAndromeda> :(
[08:25] <bioterror> what kind of computer you have
[08:26] <xAndromeda> HP Pavilion G-60 atm
[08:26] <omsniffiscent> I'm trying to put a file on an SD card and I keep getting an error message that the destination is read only.
[08:28] <Cheri703> is the sd card locked?
[08:28] <omsniffiscent> no. First thing I checked.
[08:28] <omsniffiscent> Under the permissions tab for file access it just says ---
[08:28] <omsniffiscent> is that normal?
[08:28] <omsniffiscent> When I try to change permissions it gives me the same error.
[08:28] <bioterror> format that SD card ;)
[08:29] <Cheri703> go to terminal, gksudo nautilus
[08:29] <Cheri703> and try again
[08:29] <omsniffiscent> read only file system.
[08:29] <Cheri703> that opens nautilus with sudo privileges applied
[08:29] <omsniffiscent> Destination is read-only. same error.
[08:29] <bioterror> Wed10:29 <+bioterror> format that SD card ;)
[08:30] <Cheri703> hmmmm
[08:30] <omsniffiscent> But all muh stuffs :(
[08:30] <bioterror> if there's important files, copy them and format
[08:31] <omsniffiscent> It won't. Error.
[08:31] <Cheri703> have you used that sd card slot before? in linux?
[08:31] <omsniffiscent> uh. mmaybe....
[08:31] <omsniffiscent> I think so.
[08:31] <Cheri703> hmm...k
[08:31] <omsniffiscent> I can look at my pictures.
[08:32] <Cheri703> hmm...k
[08:32] <bioterror> hmmm
[08:32] <Cheri703> main suggestion I'm seeing is to blow into the slot with canned air o.O
[08:32] <omsniffiscent> There was an error getting information about files in the folder blah blah error stating file '/media/lots of numbers/foldername':input/output error
[08:33] <Cheri703> like an old nintendo cartridge
[08:33] <omsniffiscent> lol
[08:33] <omsniffiscent> Back in the day.
[08:34] <omsniffiscent> It only said it for two folders. It seems to be copying muh stuffs naow.
[08:34] <omsniffiscent> META-INF which is an empty folder...
[08:35] <xAndromeda> hey how do you stop xchat from minimizing to systray? O.o
[08:35] <bioterror> might be a settings from where :D
[08:36]  * bioterror doesnt use xchat
[08:36] <Cheri703> do you have a usb card reader?
[08:36] <bioterror> I have used it like 2 times
[08:36] <xAndromeda> i cant find it in any of the settigns O.o
[08:36] <Cheri703> minimize to systray when?
[08:36] <xAndromeda> you minimize
[08:36] <xAndromeda> O.o
[08:37] <xAndromeda> like instead of going to the bar
[08:37] <xAndromeda> it gots to the systray icion
[08:37] <xAndromeda> *goes
[08:37] <Cheri703> mine goes to the bar unless I click the systray icon
[08:37] <Cheri703> I'm in 10.04 though
[08:37] <xAndromeda> ther was a popup
[08:37] <xAndromeda> that asked what you wanted to do
[08:37] <xAndromeda> so there must be an option somwhere!!!
[08:38] <Cheri703> hmm
[08:38] <Cheri703> omsniffiscent: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1470018
[08:38] <Cheri703> maybe?
[08:40] <Cheri703> xAndromeda: there is an "enable system tray icon" but that makes it go away entirely when unchecked
[08:40] <omsniffiscent> copied files (all but those two empty folders it was complaining about), formatted, copied files back over. All is right in the world now.
[08:40] <Cheri703> woo
[09:13] <HPV> if i had a job paying more than $10/hr i would spend the money to hire another person to work on ubuntu
[09:13] <bioterror> hmmm
[09:14] <HPV> 1/2*10=$5/hr
[09:14] <HPV> food costs.
[09:15] <HPV> so, 1/2 the money then.
[09:16] <HPV> i can't sign it to irc on empathy
[09:24] <seidos> *in
[09:25] <seidos> why can't i sign in to irc on empathy?
[09:25] <seidos> if i had a job paying >$10/hr i would spend 1/2 the money to hire another person to work on ubuntu
[09:29] <omsniffiscent> lol
[09:42] <seidos> why so funny?
[09:42] <seidos> omsniffiscent?
[09:42] <omsniffiscent> hm?
[09:42] <seidos> 0
[09:43] <seidos> mara
[09:43] <seidos> compassion -> buddha
[09:45] <seidos> 1 xor 0?
[09:45] <seidos> 1
[10:00] <xAndromeda> so i installed a few crusor themes but none of them seem to be working
[10:00] <xAndromeda> as in the custom crusors dont show up until you do somthing O.o
[10:34] <xAndromeda> ello? O.o
[11:24] <xAndromeda> ello? :D
[11:24] <bioterror> D: ?olle
[11:24] <xAndromeda> yay ur here!
[11:25] <bioterror> ofkooz
[11:25] <xAndromeda> okis so my mouse thingy
[11:25] <xAndromeda> theme
[11:25] <xAndromeda> wont change for the default mouse icon
[11:25] <xAndromeda> i looked online
[11:25] <xAndromeda> and it said to chagne a index.theme file
[11:25] <xAndromeda> but its read only on my system...
[11:25] <xAndromeda> O.o
[11:26] <bioterror> I dunno about gnome
[11:26] <xAndromeda> is there any way to make that file not read only ? O.o
[11:28] <xAndromeda> its the /usr/share/icons/default/index.theme file and nobody else seemed to have trouble editing it O.o
[11:29] <s-fox> Try sudo
[11:29] <xAndromeda> i tried to open it using sudo,
[11:29] <s-fox> sudo gedit /usr/share/icons/default/index.theme
[11:29] <xAndromeda> sudo ./index.theme if thats right?
[11:29] <s-fox> For example ;)
[11:30] <s-fox> I assume it is just text in the file.
[11:32] <xAndromeda> it should be yeah
[11:32] <xAndromeda> its not opening ;(
[11:34] <xAndromeda> brb relog
[11:50] <xAndromeda> what does (gedit:3675): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0
[11:50] <xAndromeda>  mean? O.o
[13:04] <aworkingpig> hi there, i may of bitten of more than i can chew, I just installed xbmcuntu on my sony viao VGX-TP3Z/B, it seems to have installed fine but I'm stuck on adding media from my ntfs external drive. does anyone know the process for doing this? I have tried adding ntfs-3g to the install but it seems it is already included
[13:04] <aworkingpig> btw this is my 1st go with linux
[13:06] <aworkingpig> opps, i meant  *XBMCbuntu
[13:06] <aworkingpig> via http://wiki.xbmc.org/?title=XBMCbuntu
[13:16] <aworkingpig> anyone out there? its my 1st time on iirc too :-$
[13:17] <bioterror> I'm not taking part in a unofficial installation
[13:17] <bioterror> as I know that vanilla ubuntu works great out of box
[13:19] <bioterror> if you filebrowser can see your hard driver, problem lies in XBMC
[13:19] <bioterror> if your
[13:20] <aworkingpig> is that by typing  sudo fdisk ?
[13:23] <bioterror> you dont have a graphical interface at all?
[13:27] <aworkingpig> no
[13:27] <aworkingpig> boots straigth into xbmc unless you hold shift
[13:27] <aworkingpig> then its all command line
[13:28] <aworkingpig> its a minimal install, the oc will only be for media. I have a desktop for other stuff
[13:28] <aworkingpig> *pc
[13:31] <bioterror> sudo mount /dev/sdX /mnt/
[13:32] <johnny77> When I run xterm it opens in the root folder. How do I get it to open in the hope folder?
[13:32] <aworkingpig>  bioterror could you explain a little about this command please? : sudo mount /dev/sdX /mnt/
[13:33] <bioterror> johnny77, are you running something as root
[13:34] <bioterror> !mount | aworkingpig
[13:34] <ubot2> aworkingpig: mount is used to attach devices to directories. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount
[13:34] <bioterror> !fstab | aworkingpig
[13:34] <ubot2> aworkingpig: The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab and http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[13:35] <aworkingpig> thanks peeps, loads to read. i'll take a look now ta
[13:35] <johnny77> bioterror: Do you mean do I have a process that was ran us root?
[13:36] <bioterror> johnny77, in ubuntu you're not root by default, hence, you dont even have that root account enabled
[13:37] <bioterror> or do you mean by root: /
[13:38] <johnny77> bioterror: I mean the folder /  - I want it to open in ~/
[13:39] <bioterror> hmmmm
[13:39] <bioterror> by default it should be ~/
[13:39] <bioterror> johnny77, sudo nano /etc/bash.bashrc
[13:40] <bioterror> and add to the bottom of the file: cd ~
[13:40] <bioterror> :D
[13:41] <johnny77> bioterror: you are true awesomeness!!
[13:41] <bioterror> I am
[13:42] <Puck`> LOL
[13:43]  * Puck` sees Barney Stinson next to bioterror 
[13:44] <bioterror> maybe I should check that tv show sometimes
[13:44] <bioterror> neil patrick harris aint that bad actor
[15:11] <aworkingpig> hi all, im back. managed to mount the external usb drive and load a video file, HOWEVER no sound.
[15:11] <aworkingpig> I attempted to install ALSA via this tut http://wiki.xbmc.org/?title=XBMCbuntu#Install_ALSA and it seemed to install fine.
[15:11] <aworkingpig> However when i attempted to run alsamixer to finetune the set up i get this eror message,
[15:11] <aworkingpig> "ALSA lib simple_none.c:1543(simple_add1) helen (MIXER,'Capture Switch',0,2,0) appears twice or more
[15:11] <aworkingpig> alsamixer: function snd_mixer_load failed: invalid argument" not really sure what this is telling me...
[15:11] <aworkingpig> SO, is there a solution to this? Should i look for another audio package for ubuntu?
[15:16] <aworkingpig> im having some issue working out the sound card, i think its a Realtek, Sound RealityYES  :S
[15:18] <duanedesign> hello aworkingpig
[15:21] <aworkingpig> hi
[15:21] <aworkingpig>  you got an idea for me duanedesign?
[15:24] <duanedesign> aworkingpig: you can try reconfiguring alsa with the command:   alsaconf
[15:26] <aworkingpig> ok ta duaneddesign
[15:28] <aworkingpig> ;9 that command was not dound bud..
[15:28] <aworkingpig> *found
[15:29] <capmtripps> hi all, anyone around who can give me a hand real quick?
[15:29] <duanedesign> aworkingpig: aworkingpig i think it is in package:  sudo apt-get install alsa-utils
[15:29] <capmtripps> i downloaded a program called trickle, but can't find how to run it
[15:29] <duanedesign> capmtripps: where did you download it from?
[15:29] <capmtripps> any ideas?
[15:30] <duanedesign> capmtripps: trickle is in the Ubuntu repository, I would install it that way.  sudo apt-get install trickle
[15:30] <aworkingpig>  duanedesign, i have installed that, and when i did update it stated it was installed already
[15:30] <duanedesign> capmtripps: or is that what you did?
[15:30] <capmtripps> ok, i got it through the software installation program
[15:31] <capmtripps> isnt there a command from the terminal to run it?
[15:31] <aworkingpig> duanedesighn i used this command, sudo apt-get install linux-sound-base alsa-base alsa-utils
[15:32] <duanedesign> capmtripps: you can try the command:   where trickle
[15:33] <duanedesign> capmtripps: how did you install it?  make, make install?
[15:34] <duanedesign> capmtripps: if you just downloaded it and have not installed it yet, you can look in the folder for a READ ME file
[15:36] <duanedesign> aworkingpig: what is your sound card.  lspci -vv | grep Audio
[15:38] <duanedesign> aworkingpig: try this and see if you hear a voice saying 'front center' :  aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav
[15:40] <duanedesign> aworkingpig: if you get no sound see if Ubuntu is recognizing your sound card:  sudo aplay -l
[15:40] <aworkingpig> kk ill try it now
[15:42] <aworkingpig> Duanedesign, 00:1b.0 Audio device: intel Corp 82801H (ICH8 family) HD Audio controller (rev 03)
[15:44] <aworkingpig> Duanedesign, i got an audio open error, permission deniged :S
[15:54] <duanedesign> aworkingpig: does this also error?   sudo aplay -l
[15:55] <aworkingpig> opps, didnt see that bit, i will try in a moment just running something else
[16:07] <DrDetroit> hello
[16:08] <DrDetroit> I am having a problem since I did an update this morning
[16:08] <DrDetroit> My hard disk light stays on continously
[16:08] <duanedesign> :\
[16:08] <DrDetroit> this has not happened before. Can someone point me in the right direction
[16:08] <DrDetroit> my machine was running fine on 10.04 LST prior to the update
[16:09] <duanedesign> you can install iotop to see what the process writing to disk is
[16:09] <duanedesign> sudo apt-get install iotop
[16:09] <DrDetroit> i dont think it is writing anything to disk but i will give it a try
[16:09] <DrDetroit> can i use my Synaptic to do that?
[16:10] <duanedesign> what is the hard disk light for on your computer?
[16:10] <DrDetroit> it used to blink when the disk was being used
[16:10] <DrDetroit> now it just stays on
[16:10] <DrDetroit> no blink, just on all the time
[16:10] <duanedesign> you can run  top
[16:11] <DrDetroit> yes i have top running
[16:11] <duanedesign> top should show you what process might be doing this
[16:11] <DrDetroit> but i dont know what to look for
[16:11] <duanedesign> there is a CPU column
[16:11] <duanedesign> any process say at 100%
[16:12] <DrDetroit> no
[16:13] <duanedesign> i would try iotop then and see if anything stands out there
[16:13] <DrDetroit> the only thing i can see that might be it is that the usb-storage filters up to the top
[16:13] <DrDetroit> ok i will try that, brb
[16:15] <DrDetroit> ok installing iotop
[16:17] <DrDetroit> ok i have run iotop but i dont know how to use it
[16:18] <duanedesign> DrDetroit: similar to top
[16:19] <duanedesign> you will see a disk read column
[16:19] <duanedesign> and a disk write column
[16:20] <duanedesign> it should be all 0 with an occasional process jumping up to position 1
[16:20] <duanedesign> DrDetroit: mostly am curious to see if a process is in the 1st posision and stays there
[16:20] <DrDetroit> thats is correct
[16:21] <DrDetroit> the process that stays mostly on top is init
[16:21] <duanedesign> ok so nothing constantly reading/writing
[16:21] <DrDetroit> no
[16:21] <duanedesign> 1 be/4 root        0.00 B/s    0.00 B/s  0.00 %  0.00 % init
[16:21] <DrDetroit> like you said occssionally something pops to the top
[16:21] <duanedesign> ok
[16:22] <duanedesign> is this a desktop computer
[16:22] <DrDetroit> yes that is it what i see for init
[16:22] <DrDetroit> yes
[16:22] <DrDetroit> this is a 10.04 LST machine
[16:22] <DrDetroit> which had an update this morning that i did
[16:22] <duanedesign> i know this sounds strange but reach down and open the CD ROM
[16:23] <duanedesign> and see if the light changes
[16:23] <duanedesign> or flickers
[16:23] <DrDetroit> ok i have 2 of them i will open both
[16:23] <DrDetroit> not so much as a fliker
[16:28] <duanedesign> DrDetroit: hmm. I am stumped. Might want to file a bug report
[16:29] <DrDetroit> i appreciate your help
[16:29] <DrDetroit> thank you
[16:30] <DrDetroit> i have no clue as to what to do next
[16:30] <DrDetroit> i really really dont want to have to redo this machine, I just got it to where I wanted it
[16:30] <DrDetroit> i am pretty sure its NOT a hardwareissue
[16:30] <DrDetroit> since the hd light does blink when booting up
[16:34] <DrDetroit> i wonder if i go back one in grub if the problem will go away
[16:34] <duanedesign> DrDetroit: can also look in System > Administration > Log File Viewer
[16:35] <duanedesign> at the dmesg and syslog to see if any errors stick out
[16:35] <duanedesign> DrDetroit: that is a good idea
[16:35] <duanedesign> try a previous kernel
[16:35] <DrDetroit> ok let me look at those first
[16:36] <aworkingpig> my head hurts,i need a break, thanks for your help... i'll be back
[16:39] <DrDetroit> hehe
[16:40] <DrDetroit> the only thing i see that i dont remember seeing is something called evince
[16:40] <DrDetroit> let me google that
[16:41] <DrDetroit> oh
[16:41] <DrDetroit> let me see what happenes when i kill those things
[16:41] <DrDetroit> i have three of them
[16:44] <DrDetroit> its a document viewer
[16:52] <DrDetroit2> ok i am going to swith machines and reboot the problme one
[16:56] <DrDetroit2> how do i get my ubntu to display the grub boot loader choices
[16:57] <DrDetroit2> it doesnt give me a grub screen like my debian machines do
[16:57] <DrDetroit2> it just boots into a login screen
[17:05] <DrDetroit2> this is frustrating, i can't seem to get my grub screen to show up on startup
[17:05] <IAmNotThatGuy> DrDetroit2, what happened? you just can see a cursor blinking?
[17:05] <DrDetroit2> yes
[17:05] <DrDetroit2> then the loging screen
[17:06] <IAmNotThatGuy> you have a dual boot?
[17:06] <DrDetroit2> no
[17:07] <IAmNotThatGuy> and you need your GRUB loaded ? any reason for that?
[17:07] <DrDetroit2> well
[17:07] <DrDetroit2> my ubuntu 10.04 LST had an upgrade this morning
[17:08] <DrDetroit2> once i did that, my hard disk light remains on now
[17:08] <DrDetroit2> so I thought I would try booting back one kernel and see if it disappears
[17:08] <DrDetroit2> since this didnt happen before the update
[17:09] <IAmNotThatGuy> Hmmmm! gimme a second
[17:09] <DrDetroit2> ok cool
[17:09] <DrDetroit2> i would appreeciate any help in fixing this problem
[17:09] <DrDetroit2> i actually dont think the disk is reading or writing
[17:10] <DrDetroit2> dwaynedesign was trying to help but we ran out of ideas
[17:12] <IAmNotThatGuy> you tried editing os-prober ?
[17:12] <IAmNotThatGuy> DrDetroit2, ?
[17:12] <DrDetroit2> i dont know what that is
[17:13] <DrDetroit2> where do i find os-prober
[17:13] <IAmNotThatGuy> give me a minute. I am searching about it
[17:13] <DrDetroit2> no problem no hurry
[17:22] <IAmNotThatGuy> DrDetroit2, sorry for delaying. my internet is too slow. I am sorry for making you wait
[17:23] <DrDetroit2> no problem
[17:23] <DrDetroit2> i was just reading about grub
[17:25] <IAmNotThatGuy> read about GRUB2 :)
[17:25] <IAmNotThatGuy> I think I ll find the link soon. I know you have to edit two files. but forgot which they were :|
[17:26] <DrDetroit2> thats what i meant grub2
[17:26] <philinux> /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober
[17:27] <philinux> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[17:28] <IAmNotThatGuy> philinux, he also have to change the GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET = False right?
[17:28] <IAmNotThatGuy> also the time timeout to 10 seconds I thing
[17:28] <philinux> /etc/default/grub Additional instructions which may be included: GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=true
[17:28] <philinux> IAmNotThatGuy: yes you can change the timeout to 0
[17:29] <IAmNotThatGuy> DrDetroit2, ^
[17:29] <philinux> I have mine set to 2 seconds. Just in case i need to intervene
[17:30] <IAmNotThatGuy> I have it as 1 (: and how are you today philinux ?
[17:32] <DrDetroit2> ok hold on,
[17:32] <DrDetroit2> let me see if i understand
[17:33] <DrDetroit2> i was going to edit the /etc/default/grub file to make the grub screen display, is that correct?
[17:34] <DrDetroit2> i was going to comment out the GRUB HIDDEN TIMEOUT=0
[17:36] <philinux> DrDetroit2: Have a read here first. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[17:36] <philinux> It explains it all. Also for future reference this is good too. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275
[17:36] <DrDetroit2> Thank you phil
[17:37] <DrDetroit2> i have been reading that one
[17:37] <DrDetroit2> looks to me like i shopuld set grub hidden timeout to commented out
[17:37] <DrDetroit2> and grub hidden timeout quiet to false
[17:37] <philinux> Make a backup of the file just in case it goes wrong.
[17:38] <philinux> You'll need to sudo update-grub after your edits.
[17:40] <DrDetroit2> ok
[17:40] <DrDetroit2> i did make a backup first thing
[17:41] <DrDetroit2> and i am logged in as root so i should be ble to just run update-grub
[17:42] <DrDetroit2> ok i am going to reboot that machine and see what happens
[17:42] <DrDetroit2> brb
[17:44] <DrDetroit2> well that didnt fix my problem
[17:44] <DrDetroit2> hehe
[17:44] <DrDetroit2> but the grub screen did display
[17:45] <DrDetroit2> thank you philinux
[17:45] <DrDetroit2> now just need to figure out why my hd light stays on all the time
[17:46] <DrDetroit2> ok got it figured out
[17:46] <DrDetroit2> simple actually
[17:46] <DrDetroit2> i am so stupidsometimes
[17:46] <DrDetroit2> for those who wish to know and for future reference
[17:47] <DrDetroit2> the reason for my hd light staying on was that Ubuntu was not finiding my 2nd cd rom drive
[17:47] <DrDetroit2> once i disconnected the power from that dvd drive, the light went off
[17:48] <DrDetroit2> I would like to thank the ubuntu-beginners channel for helping me and especially dwaynedesign and philinux
[17:48] <DrDetroit2> thank you for putting up with me
[17:48] <DrDetroit2> so i guess i need to replace that old dvd drive with another old dvd drive
[17:49] <DrDetroit2> haha
[18:00] <philinux> DrDetroit2: glad you're sorted
[18:18] <DrDetroit2> philinux: thanks for your expertise, it was very helpful
[18:36] <DrDetroit2> ok thank you ubuntu-beginners team
[18:36] <DrDetroit2> Time for me to give my brain a rest, go outside and dig in the garden or something
[18:36]  * DrDetroit2 waves
[18:40] <NRWlion> DrDetroit2 have fun ;)
[19:37] <vic_> hello
[19:37] <vic_> any1 there?
[19:37] <vic_> hello ?
[19:37] <duanedesign> hello vic_
[19:38] <vic_> hi
[19:38] <vic_> :)
[19:38] <vic_> i have a problem
[19:38] <duanedesign> what is it?
[19:38] <vic_> i have installed ubuntu 8.04 installed restricted extras and gnome desktop
[19:38] <vic_> when i turn on i cant load the desktop
[19:38] <vic_> what do ineed to do?
[19:39] <vic_> 8.04 lts server cd
[19:39] <duanedesign> did you install the server version
[19:39] <duanedesign> ahh
[19:39] <duanedesign> ok
[19:39] <vic_> im a noob and want to learn about ubuntu so my friend gave me the cd and said good luck  now im stuck lol
[19:40] <duanedesign> try
[19:40] <duanedesign> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[19:40] <duanedesign> then:
[19:40] <duanedesign> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[19:41] <vic_> will that start it every time i turn  comp on? or will i have to do that every time?
[19:42] <duanedesign> no it should start everytime
[19:42] <vic_> ok thank u
[19:42] <vic_> 15mins to install
[19:42] <vic_> by bb is so slow
[19:42] <vic_> fukin bt
[19:42] <duanedesign> any more questions come back
[19:42] <vic_> i will do thanks :)
[19:42] <duanedesign> like to know how it went
[19:42] <duanedesign> cheers
[19:43] <vic_> ok cool
[19:55] <endlesspudingcup> Anyone can help me recover files from an unaccessible hard disk?
[19:56] <holstein> endlesspudingcup: i use a tool called photorec
[19:56] <holstein> its part of testdisk
[19:57] <endlesspudingcup> holstein: thanks, i might try that
[19:59] <vic_> duanedesign u there?
[20:00] <holstein> endlesspudingcup: i say, try some other things
[20:00] <holstein> fire that up when you want the data back ;)
[20:00] <vic_> duanedesign -  its installed but still no login screen just the black screen which i think is terminal?
[20:01] <holstein> as long as the disk is still spinning, you should be good to go
[20:02] <endlesspudingcup> holstein: it is, but i can't mount it, and it says it's already mounted
[20:02] <holstein> should be fine :)
[20:03] <holstein> http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[20:03] <holstein> i use it from there routinely
[20:04] <endlesspudingcup> holstein: but actually i was still hoping of fixing the disk
[20:06] <johnny77> vic_: I saw your problem earlier. What do you see?
[20:06] <holstein> endlesspudingcup: this will byte copy the data
[20:06] <holstein> then, you can go from there
[20:06] <holstein> i like to do that first
[20:07] <holstein> endlesspudingcup: are you trying to recover the data?
[20:07] <holstein> or just fix the drive?
[20:07] <endlesspudingcup> both
[20:07] <vic_> just login screen but not gnome just black screen with white writing  - like terminal
[20:08] <endlesspudingcup> holstein: actually the data isn't really all that important because i've got backups of most things. i just want to fix it
[20:08] <holstein> endlesspudingcup: OK
[20:08] <holstein> then, dont bother with photorec
[20:08] <holstein> just format it
[20:09] <holstein> there are some vendor tools on that ultimatebootCD
[20:09] <holstein> that can be helpful
[20:09] <johnny77> vic_: did you log in at the login screen of is that what you are looking at now?
[20:09] <vic_> i type this sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start and says command not found
[20:09] <vic_> im looking for login screen
[20:09] <endlesspudingcup> holstein: but sometimes the disk makes clicking noises so i don't know if that will help
[20:09] <johnny77> vic_: try startx
[20:10] <vic_> i have to install xinit?
[20:10] <vic_> should i install
[20:10] <holstein> endlesspudingcup: if its clicking, its probably dead
[20:10] <holstein> if they are clicking, i dont trust them anymore
[20:11] <holstein> i mean, you can try it
[20:11] <johnny77> vic_: it that the message you get when you type startx?
[20:11] <endlesspudingcup> holstein: but it's been doing that for a long time and i've always been able to fix it
[20:11] <vic_> yeah says startx not installed  type sudo apt-get install xinit
[20:11] <holstein> endlesspudingcup: clicking aint good
[20:11] <holstein> this might be the last time :/
[20:12] <holstein> ...i gota run... BBL
[20:12] <endlesspudingcup> bye thanks for the advice
[20:12] <johnny77> vic_: type sudo apt-get install xorg
[20:13] <vic_> johnny77 - its  installing what is xorg?
[20:14] <johnny77> vic_: it is the window system for ubuntu and many other linuxes - for more reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_System
[20:14] <vic_> installed now i type startx
[20:14] <vic_> ?
[20:15] <johnny77> vic_: yes, try startx
[20:16] <vic_> done that  now a black screen comes up with a orange-ish colour bar ? and small writing in top left like im logged in but still no desktop or gnome?
[20:17] <johnny77> vic_: what does the writing say?
[20:17] <vic_> just victor@vic which is my comp name and my login name
[20:19] <johnny77> vic_: ok, try sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[20:20] <vic_> command not found
[20:20] <duanedesign> vic_: might need to install gdm
[20:21] <duanedesign> vic_: sudo apt-get install gdm
[20:21] <vic_> gnome desktop
[20:21] <vic_> or just gdm
[20:21] <vic_> ?
[20:21] <johnny77> duanedesign: I was just about to type that.
[20:21] <duanedesign> vic_: just gdm
[20:21] <duanedesign> Gdm is what handles your x system starting automatically instead of entering start x at the command line each time you boot
[20:21] <vic_> installing
[20:21] <vic_> what is gdm?
[20:22] <vic_> i know this is basic stuff but im learning
[20:22] <vic_> :)
[20:22] <duanedesign> no worries :)
[20:22] <johnny77> vic_: yeah, not a probelm. We all started at some point.
[20:23] <vic_> ok installed
[20:23] <vic_> i typed startx
[20:23] <vic_> the etc/init.d/gdm start
[20:24] <duanedesign> hmm, gdm should of been installed by ubuntu-desktop
[20:24] <vic_> screen comes up sayin there already apperas to be a x server running on display :0 should another display number be tried? answering no will cause gdm to attempt starting on server :0 again
[20:25] <vic_> yes or no?
[20:25] <vic_> lol
[20:25] <duanedesign> no
[20:25] <johnny77> vic_: I would do no and then reboot.
[20:25] <johnny77> duanedesign: right? If he has GDM now, it should load automatically on boot.
[20:26] <duanedesign> vic_: also run:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[20:27] <vic_> just seen this as it was loading after reboot kinit no resume image, doing normal boot
[20:27] <duanedesign> even without gdm, startx should work
[20:27] <vic_> wait
[20:27] <vic_> something has come up
[20:28] <johnny77> duanedesign: I was thinking it may have said that because I had him run it earlier.
[20:28] <vic_> login sreen
[20:28] <vic_> i i logged in
[20:28] <vic_> and took me to a bland black screen with victor@vic  in top left
[20:29] <duanedesign> was the login screen a GUI type screen?
[20:29] <duanedesign> or black and white
[20:29] <vic_> erm i think so  - had a yellow flower blue background
[20:29] <vic_> yes gui
[20:30] <johnny77> duanedesign: should he try load the gnome-desktop then?
[20:30] <duanedesign> vic_: and what does this do:  startx
[20:31] <vic_> i got it back to login screen bottom left got options  last session - run xcilent - secure remote connection - failsafe gnome and failsafe terminal
[20:32] <johnny77> vic_: no ubuntu desktop option?
[20:32] <vic_> no just them 5 options
[20:34] <johnny77> vic_: where does last session take you?
[20:34] <vic_> back to the black screen with victor@vic in top left
[20:34] <johnny77> did you install gnome desktop?
[20:34] <duanedesign> what does startx do?
[20:34] <vic_> yeah install gnome desktop
[20:35] <vic_> startx - user not authorized to run x server aborting
[20:36] <duanedesign> ok
[20:36] <duanedesign> sudo startx
[20:37] <vic_> server is ready and active for display 0 if this server is no longer running, remove /tmp/.x0-lock and start again
[20:38] <duanedesign> vic_: ok
[20:38] <duanedesign> run command
[20:38] <duanedesign> cd /home/victor
[20:39] <duanedesign> then run command
[20:39] <duanedesign> ls -l .Xauthority .ICEauthority
[20:40] <duanedesign> you will get osmething like:  -rw------- 1 duanedesign duanedesign 203633 2011-03-01 19:28 .ICEauthority
[20:40] <duanedesign> -rw------- 1 duanedesign duanedesign      0 2011-01-12 12:56 .Xauthority
[20:41] <duanedesign> basically need to know if yours say     victor victor
[20:41] <duanedesign> where mine says duanedesign design
[20:41] <vic_> cannot access ICEauthority: no such file or diretory
[20:42] <vic_> i think it might b best if i reinstall from cd ?  i must have done something wrong
[20:43] <duanedesign> how about
[20:43] <duanedesign> ls -l .Xauthority
[20:43] <vic_> rw------- 1 vitor vitor 164 2011-03-02 20:35 .Xauthority
[20:44] <vic_> *victor victor
[20:45] <kristian-aalborg> hi all
[20:45] <kristian-aalborg> I guess I could disable the x11-common daemon if I won't be using X...?
[20:47] <duanedesign> vic_: ok how about:   ls -la /home
[20:47] <duanedesign> drwxrwx--- 197 victor victor 20480 2011-03-02 20:46 victor
[20:47] <duanedesign> should look like that^
[20:48] <duanedesign> the important part is the drwxrwx---  and the victor victor
[20:52] <walkkenn> I have lost my all of the sound input capability on my computer.  Everything was working fine and then there was a recommended software update and now both my internal and external mics are not working.
[20:53] <duanedesign> vic_: ok, found a thread on the forum that suggests running this command:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure x11-common
[20:53] <duanedesign> vic_: and set it to 'anybody'
[20:55] <vic_> ls -la /home  =  5 different lines   1st line    portal  28                2nd line  drwxr-xr-x 4 root    root   4096 2011-02-26 02:01 .
[20:55] <duanedesign> aha
[20:55] <duanedesign> oh wait that is right
[20:56] <duanedesign> vic_: should be the third line
[20:56] <duanedesign> vic_: the one for victor
[20:57] <vic_> 3rd line     drwxr-xr-x 21 root     root   4096 2011-02-26 20:00   4th line drwx----- 2 root      root  16384 2011-02-26 01:46 ( lost + found ) lost and found is in blue
[20:57] <duanedesign> ok, so there is no victor folder?
[20:58] <vic_> 5th line drexr-xr-x 2 vitor victor 4096 2011-03-02 20:36 ( victor ) victor in blue
[20:58] <duanedesign> ok
[21:00] <duanedesign> vic_: try the command:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure x11-common
[21:00] <duanedesign> vic_: and set to everybody
[21:00] <duanedesign> vic_: this should allow  the command  startx to work
[21:02] <vic_> ok
[21:02] <vic_> nice value for the x server?
[21:02] <vic_> 0
[21:02] <vic_> ?
[21:02] <bioterror> duanedesign, what he has in .xinitrc?
[21:03] <duanedesign> not sure
[21:04] <duanedesign> bioterror: we looked at .Xauthority .ICEauthority did not look at that one
[21:04] <bioterror> haha
[21:04] <bioterror> .xinitrc is the file which startx reads
[21:04] <bioterror> and there should be: exec something
[21:04] <bioterror> like what ever you're trying to launch
[21:04] <bioterror> windowmaker has wmaker, fluxbox has fluxbox and so on
[21:06] <duanedesign> vic_: looks like 0 is the right value
[21:07] <duanedesign> vic_: after running that does  startx  work?
[21:08] <vic_> sever already active for display 0
[21:08] <vic_> if this server is no longer running remove
[21:08] <vic_> /tmp/.x0-lock and start again
[21:09] <duanedesign> ok remove that file
[21:09] <duanedesign> sudo rm /tmp/.x0-lock
[21:10] <duanedesign> with that command^
[21:11] <vic_> cannont remove operation not permitted
[21:12] <bioterror> sudo init 3
[21:15] <duanedesign> vic_:try:   /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[21:16] <vic_> starting gnome display manager  [fail]
[21:16] <johnny77> duanedesign: How's vic doing? sorry I had to drop out like that.
[21:17] <vic_> starting gnome display manager  [fail]
[21:17] <duanedesign> vic_: can you check the contents of this file
[21:18] <vic_> how do i do that?
[21:18] <bioterror> vic_, sudo init 3
[21:18] <vic_> just takes me to next line
[21:19] <duanedesign> vic_:  cat ~/.xinitrc
[21:20] <vic_> no such file or directory
[21:21] <vic_> home/victor/.xinitrc - no such file or directory
[21:22] <bioterror> vic_, echo "exec gnome-session" > .xinitrc
[21:22] <bioterror> and then run "startx"'
[21:23] <vic_> its done something
[21:23] <vic_> hold on
[21:24] <vic_> it went of the come on now sayin  coundnt get a file descriptor referring to the console
[21:24] <bioterror> hmmm
[21:24] <vic_> could i have installed from cd wrong?
[21:25] <bioterror> nope
[21:26] <bioterror> vic, sudo apt-get install console-common
[21:27] <vic_> ok policy for handling keymaps
[21:27] <bioterror> try startx again
[21:28] <vic_> select keymap from arch list  dont touch keymap  keep kernal keymap select keymap from list
[21:28] <vic_> i have to choose 1 of these
[21:28] <bioterror> select your keymap
[21:29] <vic_> lol baffeled   my key map = keyboard
[21:29] <vic_> :)
[21:29] <vic_> im getting there
[21:29] <vic_> ok typed startx
[21:30] <vic_> same message  couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the onsole
[21:30] <bioterror> hoho
[21:30] <vic_> ho
[21:30] <vic_> fun and games :)
[21:31] <vic_> could it b coz its a old comp?
[21:31] <bioterror> hmm
[21:31] <bioterror> hey
[21:32] <bioterror> sudo rm -rf /tmp/.X0-lock
[21:32] <bioterror> as you have said init 3, you should be without X
[21:33] <vic_> nothing just takes me to next line
[21:33] <bioterror> good
[21:33] <bioterror> startx :)
[21:33] <bioterror> and cross your fingers
[21:33] <vic_> haha
[21:33] <vic_> they have been crossed since i installed from cd
[21:33] <bioterror> you should use newer CD ;)
[21:33] <bioterror> that's 3 years old
[21:33] <vic_> yeah maybe
[21:34] <vic_> no same message
[21:34] <vic_> i think i will have to install again with a new cd
[21:34] <vic_> what do u reommend?  10.04 or 8.04
[21:34] <vic_> and should i use lts server or not/?
[21:35] <bioterror> I recommend 10.10
[21:35] <bioterror> I dont know what kind of hardware you're running
[21:35] <duanedesign> http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download
[21:35] <aveilleux> vic_: LTS and Server editions are independent
[21:35] <vic_> ok guys i have to shoot now but ill b bk in about 2hours if your around  i will need all the help i can get lol
[21:36] <vic_> that you for all your help so far :)
[21:36] <bioterror> some people seems to like these LTS releases, I've never seen the greatness
[21:36] <vic_> peace and love
[21:36] <vic_> my friend recommend lts server 8.04
[21:36] <vic_> he uses it so just passed it on to me
[21:36] <vic_> ill b bk later if u guys are around thanks alot :) peace#
[21:36] <duanedesign> o/
[21:37] <johnny77> vic_: bye
[21:41] <geirha> bioterror: You only need to upgrade every two years, instead of every six months.
[21:42] <geirha> That and that the frequency of updates will be lower is the main reason why I prefer LTS
[21:45] <bioterror> I like my fish as fresh
[21:45] <bioterror> probably lts users upgrades their systems with re-install?
[21:46] <geirha> Perhaps. I don't.
[22:14] <duanedesign> hello geirha
[22:19] <davidl_> Hello everyone, I have what I hope is a quick question.  I have lucid installed in a VMware virtual machine.  I'm trying to improve performance by installing vmware tools (per https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware/Tools) however I can't seem to find the open-vm-dkms package.  When I search packages.ubuntu.com I find it for maverick.  I've also edited my sources.list to include lucid multiverse and lucid-updates multiverse.  (also did a apt-get 
[22:19] <davidl_> as well)   Am I missing something... any ideas??  TIA.
[22:22] <geirha> davidl_: Did yu forget to run  sudo apt-get update  after adding multiverse?
[22:22] <geirha> duanedesign: hello :)
[22:22] <davidl_> yes
[22:23] <davidl_> doing it again...
[22:23] <geirha> Well,   aptitude show open-vm-dkms   on my lucid install says it's in multiverse
[22:23] <davidl_> doh!!!  That was it....
[22:23] <davidl_> =)~
[22:23] <geirha> :)
[22:24] <davidl_> thought I did that.
[22:24] <davidl_> Thank you!!!
[22:30] <duanedesign> geirha: been getting great feedback from users about help you have given.  \o/ just wanted to let you know and say 'good job!'
[22:32] <geirha> *blush*
[22:44] <Red-Raven> hello.
[22:49] <Red-Raven> I haven't been here in a while, but I've been busy with a lot of other projects. In that time I  forgot some stuff. But I've finally come back to my SSH server project, and I'm determined to get it working this time. can someone give me a quick reminder of how to start the SSH server, and connect locally and by remote?
[22:50] <geirha> sudo service ssh start
[22:50] <geirha> ssh user@host
[22:50] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: ssh loacalhost
[22:52] <Red-Raven> oh crap im in windows. silly me. haven't booted ubuntu in a while now. BRB.
[22:54] <Red-Raven> it's clear ive been absent for a while isn't it? i can just use VMware.
[23:07] <Guest5888> hello
[23:07] <Guest5888> why am i guest? i should be vic
[23:08] <charlie-tca> didn't you just do a nick change?
[23:09] <aveilleux> Guest5888: The nick may be registered
[23:09] <Guest5888> but i was just using it over a hour ago
[23:10] <Guest5888> my name was vic_
[23:10] <Guest5888> but now its guest
[23:10] <Guest5888> how do i change
[23:11] <charlie-tca> You just came back online. If someone else signed on with that nick while you were offline, it can not be used by you
[23:11] <Guest5888> oh ok that might b why
[23:11] <charlie-tca> you can try using /nick NewNick
[23:12] <charlie-tca> heh
[23:12] <vtor> haha
[23:12] <charlie-tca> change newnick to the name you want
[23:12] <vtor> :)
[23:12] <vtor> haha i know
[23:12] <charlie-tca> lol
[23:12] <vtor> noob moment
[23:12] <vtor> ok
[23:12] <vtor> people from here helped me about a hour ago
[23:12] <charlie-tca> but to make sure you can keep the nick, you should register it
[23:12] <charlie-tca> !register
[23:12] <ubot2> Information about registering your nickname: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat/Registration - Type « /nick <nickname> » to select your nickname. Registration help available by typing /join #freenode
[23:13] <vtor> just installed ubuntu now whats the command for installing tor?
[23:13] <vtor> sudo apt-get install tor?
[23:13] <charlie-tca> !tor
[23:13] <ubot2> Tor is a program to route connections through several servers for anonymity. It is not in Ubuntu's repositories. For setup info, see option (2) of https://www.torproject.org/docs/debian.html.en | To use Tor on freenode, see !tor-sasl
[23:13] <vtor> !register vic
[23:13] <ubot2> Factoid 'register vic' not found
[23:13] <charlie-tca> I don't use it
[23:13] <vtor> !register vic
[23:14] <vtor> why not u should its good
[23:14] <vtor> keeps the fbi away lol
[23:14] <charlie-tca> You have to read the link and see what the command should be. commands starting with ! are factoids
[23:14] <vtor> factoids?
[23:14] <vtor> im a noob u have to speall it out in caps lol
[23:14] <vtor> *spell
[23:16] <charlie-tca> factoids are the things the robot knows to tell us
[23:16] <charlie-tca> !factoids
[23:16] <ubot2> Hi! I'm #ubuntu-beginners's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi | Usage info: http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugins | Bot channels and general info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots
[23:16] <charlie-tca> When you see those, the parts starting with http???? are links, you click them and open them in your browser to get the information
[23:17] <vtor> lol
[23:17] <vtor> ok
[23:17] <charlie-tca> so, to register a nick, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat/Registration
[23:17] <charlie-tca> for tor, see the option (2) of https://www.torproject.org/docs/debian.html.en
[23:18] <vtor> ok just doing tor now
[23:18] <charlie-tca> and also for tor:
[23:18] <charlie-tca> !tor-sasl
[23:18] <ubot2> freenode blocks connections from Tor users on its regular servers. Users registered with nickserv can connect to freenode's Tor hidden service instead; see http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml#tor for instructions. For help, ask in #freenode.
[23:19] <vtor> ok cool
[23:19] <charlie-tca> so, until you register a nick, no tor allowed
[23:19] <vtor> ok i wont use tor in here anyway
[23:19] <vtor> no need
[23:20] <vtor> well i dont think so
[23:20] <vtor> lol
[23:21] <johnny77> vtor: did you get your problem worked out?
[23:23] <vtor> yes thank you
[23:23] <vtor> johnny u are the man
[23:23] <vtor> and so is the other dude
[23:23] <vtor> design?
[23:23] <vtor> davesdesign?
[23:23] <vtor> lol
[23:23] <johnny77> vtor: duanedesign
[23:23] <vtor> duane
[23:23] <vtor> thats it
[23:23] <vtor> sorted up and running
[23:24] <johnny77> vtor: so now you are able to bbot into gnome desktop?
[23:24] <vtor> i re went over the steps u said to me and it worked
[23:24] <johnny77> *boot.
[23:24] <vtor> yes
[23:24] <vtor> iam upgrading to 10.4 now
[23:24] <vtor> same as my lappy
[23:24] <johnny77> vtor: Great! I'm glad we were able to help.
[23:24] <vtor> yes so iam i
[23:24] <vtor> u two are my new best friends
[23:24] <vtor> any problems im comin to u 2
[23:24] <vtor> lol
[23:25] <johnny77> vtor: we just do what we can.
[23:25] <vtor> good  that brilliant
[23:25] <johnny77> vtor: any other problems we can help with?
[23:25] <vtor> fuking windows would of made me pay
[23:25] <vtor> lol
[23:25] <vtor> windows is so crap compaired to ubuntu
[23:25] <johnny77> vtor: How long have you had Ubuntu?
[23:26] <vtor> 3-5months
[23:26] <vtor> on my lappy
[23:26] <vtor> just got around it basic
[23:26] <vtor> now i want to master it
[23:26] <vtor> then learn how to make programes and software but thats a long way off lol maybe 2years
[23:26] <johnny77> vtor: Well, we are here to help you with anything if you ever have any more problems.
[23:26] <IdleOne> First step to mastering Ubuntu is reading the Code of conduct. :)
[23:27] <vtor> code of conduct
[23:27] <vtor> where can i find that
[23:27] <vtor> idleone
[23:27] <IdleOne> !coc
[23:27] <ubot2> The Ubuntu Code of Conduct is a community etiquette document to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere, and can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ .  For information on how to electronically sign the CoC, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SigningCodeofConduct .
[23:28] <vtor>  
[23:28] <vtor> Ubuntu is an African concept of 'humanity towards others'.  - wow i like it already
[23:28] <vtor> :)
[23:28] <johnny77> vtor: also look over the Community Docs, there is some good info in there to help you with the switch. https://help.ubuntu.com/community
[23:29] <vtor> im evolving as a person and   Ubuntu is an African concept of 'humanity towards others'.  just describes how i feel about life
[23:29] <vtor> u can call me weird but it make sence to me :P
[23:31] <vtor> should i sign the coc?
[23:31] <IdleOne> vtor: makes complete sense to most of us I would imagine.
[23:31] <IdleOne> signing the CoC is entirely up to you.
[23:31] <vtor> do people not sign?
[23:32] <IdleOne> it is not a requirement
[23:32] <vtor> why would u not sign? what are the benifits?
[23:32] <vtor> oh ok not a requirement
[23:32] <vtor> ok im new to this irc thing
[23:32] <vtor> how do i find channels or chat rooms
[23:33] <johnny77> vtor: When or if you decide to start giving back to the community through involvement signing it shows that you agree to what Ubuntu represents.
[23:34] <IdleOne> I was about to type out a whole paragraph and then read what johnny77 said.
[23:34] <IdleOne> :)
[23:37] <johnny77> IdleOne: I'm usually saying that same thing :)
[23:37] <vtor> ok im done how do i sign
[23:38] <IdleOne> vtor: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SigningCodeofConduct
[23:38] <vtor> ah man i need pgp key i forgot my pgp pass
[23:45] <vtor> getting new key now  :)  i love ubuntu so easy to use install stuff and get around
[23:45] <vtor> and best of all
[23:45] <vtor> its free