JackyAlcineWow, a fresh install of Ubuntu starts and boots under 4 seconds on this archaic PC I have here.00:44
JackyAlcineDefinitely something to brag about.00:44
JackyAlcineTo non-Linuxers, of course.00:45
RAOFHow archaic?  I wish mine would boot that quickly :)00:45
RAOFIt'd mean my discs were substantially faster, among other things :)00:45
JackyAlcineWell, I don't think it's that old, it still has a floppy disk drive.00:46
JackyAlcineIt's a HP computer, with 2 Pentium 4 CPU's clocking at 3 GHz each.00:46
JackyAlcineAnd with 1 GB of RAM.00:46
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broderif vga_switcheroo requires kms to be turned on, that means i'm completely screwed if i want to use switcheroo with the proprietary nvidia drivers, doesn't it?00:55
bryce_broder, yeah that's not likely to work this release.00:59
RAOFGiven nvidia have stated they've got no interest in supporting it I'm not sure that's going to work *ever*01:03
AmpelbeinJackyAlcine: 2 pentium 4 cpus and 1GB ram is archaic? wow. what is my athlon 2600XP with 768MB ram then? stone-age? ;-)01:04
JackyAlcinelol, well, it's the oldest system I've tried Ubuntu on. :D01:05
broderRAOF: i'm not interested in any sort of dynamic switching, but it would be nice if i could configure my system to use the discrete chipset before i start X01:46
RAOFMaybe you can do that?  switcheroo is basically just twiddling some ACPI bits to turn on the other card and connect it to the outputs.01:48
broderhmm, ok. so maybe if i twiddle those bits myself...? i'll look into that01:48
TheMusobroder: Your BIOS doesn't let you choose which GPU to use?01:49
broderTheMuso: Not this machine, no. (Dell Vostro 3500)01:49
RAOFbroder: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=882737#p882737 might be of interest to you.01:50
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broderyeah, i had that page open, but that looks really gross and i was kind of hoping for a better alternative :)01:52
broderbut i'll play with it01:52
RAOFI think that throwing ACPI commands at it is going to be your best shot :/01:55
* broder nods. thanks for the pointers01:56
TheMusoWell Dell are smart aren't they...02:16
TheMusoNo BIOS options to choose...02:16
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RAOFAnyone up for a little light intel sponsoring?  One assert-on-Xserver-start fixed.  http://cooperteam.net/Packages04:24
TheMusoRAOF: Sure.04:29
RAOFTheMuso: Hm.  If you haven't already uploaded, I've just noticed some Debian diffs that would be useful.04:32
RAOFIf you *have* uploaded, that's fine :)04:32
TheMusoNo haven't uploaded yet, go ahead.04:33
TheMusoPing me when ready.04:33
RAOFTheMuso: New package is up now.  xserver-xorg-video-intel 2.14.0-4ubuntu106:10
TheMusoRAOF: thanks06:46
TheMusoRAOF: uploaded.06:55
pittiGood morning07:04
* bryce_ waves07:07
didrocksgood morning08:05
fta2didrocks, to start the day, unity crashes on startup in "nux::CairoGraphics::GetBitmap (this=0x7fffc1554ef0) at ./CairoGraphics.cpp:155", want a bug?08:06
didrocksfta2: yep please, file a bug08:07
didrockslatest unity isn't it?08:07
fta2yep, everything fresh + reboot08:07
didrocksok, please file it :)08:11
fta2didrocks, bug 72763608:11
ubot2fta2: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: list index out of range (https://launchpad.net/bugs/727636)08:11
didrocksfta2: can you make it public please?08:12
didrocksit's weird, I don't understand that I can't access to some bugs…08:12
fta2let me see if there's something sensitive in it..08:13
didrocks(I don't think so at startup, with almost empty .xsession-errors08:15
fta2bug 72763608:15
ubot2Launchpad bug 727636 in unity "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in nux::CairoGraphics::GetBitmap()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72763608:15
didrocksgood :)08:15
didrocksfta2: hum, a nux crash, I'll add to the list of important one to get for next release08:15
fta2hm, not sure that .xsession-errors is the current session or the one that failed08:15
fta2also, i no longer have access to the consoles (ttys), i get "invalid input" from my lcd screen08:16
didrockswhich card?08:17
didrocksI heard some people on nvidia had issues with tty08:17
didrocksI have a nvidia, never had any issue this cycle08:17
fta2GeForce 7600 GS08:17
fta2never do it. it's the 1st time today08:18
didrockshum, GeForce Go 7900 GS here08:18
didrocksbut yeah, some people have broken tty on nvidia08:18
didrocksI don't really have a clue on that, better to ask to colin or xorg guys if they have a clue08:19
fta2will do "if the symptoms persist" :)08:25
fta2"UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to natty on 2009-07-28 (581 days ago)".. looks wrong to me, bug in the apport hooks?08:30
didrocksahah, right :)08:37
didrocksthat's in the xorg hooks08:37
pittibonjour didrocks08:37
didrocksGuten Morgen pitti :)08:37
SweetsharkBonjour a tous08:49
didrocksBonjour Sweetshark!08:52
didrockstrop tard, vous avez commencé en français tous les deux, maintenant, il faut tenir toute la journée :)08:53
Sweetsharkdidrocks: genau die Antwort hatte ich erwartet, um ehrlich zu sein ... ;)08:54
didrocksSweetshark: no no no, you started in French! Keep the whole day with it ;)08:55
* didrocks sees his German level to be very low now, I had get some google help to translate it :/08:56
fta2pitti, [09:30] <fta2> "UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to natty on 2009-07-28 (581 days ago)".. looks wrong to me, bug in the apport hooks?08:56
fta2seems to come from general-hooks/ubuntu.py08:57
pittifta2: hm, it's the mtime of /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log08:57
pittimight have a wrong clock?08:57
fta2nope, it's even an ntp server08:58
fta2but indeed: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 62095 2009-07-28 11:53 /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log08:58
pittiso the hook is right, but having that mtime on the file looks wrong08:58
Sweetsharkdidrocks: d accord, mas je prend alaska time pour ca08:58
fta2pitti, better take /var/log/apt/history.log nowadays09:00
Sweetsharkdidrocks: my french isnt any better (midnight in alaska right now, btw)09:00
fta2pitti, or /var/log/dpkg.log09:01
pittifta2: /var/log/dpkg.log changes every day, though09:01
pittiso does history.log09:01
pittiwe need /var/log/dist-upgrade/09:01
didrocksSweetshark: yeah, I figured out the "alaska time" thing ;)09:02
fta2pitti, mine didn't change in years09:02
pittifta2: dpkg.log didn't change in years? it's updated each time dpkg installs, upgrades, or removes something09:02
fta2pitti, no, /var/log/dist-upgrade/09:03
pittifta2: ah, perhaps you didn't use update-manager for the more recent upgrades?09:03
fta2i wonder why you need the dist-upgrade date anyway.09:04
pittinot sure09:04
pittimight be interesting for upgrade failure reports09:04
pittito check whether someone upgraded at a bad time09:05
fta2pitti, it's a confusing as InstallationMedia09:10
fta2i often get bugs for natty or maverick with stuff like InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 10.04 "Lucid Lynx" - Beta i386 (20100317.1)09:11
pittithat means these were upgraded from lucid09:11
fta2pitti, i know, but when it's just confusing. not only me, i even saw bug triagers ask users to update and re-file bugs09:17
fta2anyway, i'm out.09:18
pittigood night!09:18
fta2pitti, (in Paris)09:18
pittioh, heh09:18
pittithen good day :)09:18
fta2thanks, you too09:19
asacpitti: do we have desktop and netbook images or just netbook this cycle?09:26
asacerr "just desktop"09:27
pittiasac: they were merged into desktop09:27
fta2grrr, didn't go far, unity crashed, again09:28
fta2didrocks, crash in nux::Area::SetVisible()09:28
didrocksseb128: see, someone get two crashes :)09:30
fta2asac, hi, i seriously hate arm. i can't build, i can't test, i'm just poking in the dark, no one helps, the porting queue is just growing09:30
didrocksfta2: please, report them, I'll ensure they are fixed for next release09:31
fta2didrocks, sure, i prefer to ask 1st, i hate dupes09:31
didrocksfta2: I'm on trunk with current nux since yesterday, I got no crash at all yet :/09:31
didrocksfta2: well, apport will dup crashes09:31
didrocksso on crashes, filing dup isn't that bad :)09:32
fta2didrocks, last week, i filed a bunch, got 3 dupes09:32
didrocksfta2: yeah, there were a lot of work to do on feature for the dash, and so, nux bug fixes slept away a little bit09:32
fta2hm, a bunch of ** (<unknown>:7082): WARNING **: static void IconLoader::LoadContentsReady(GObject*, GAsyncResult*, IconLoader::IconLoaderTask*): Unable to load contents of /usr/share/unity/applications.png: Error opening file: No such file or directory09:32
fta2am i missing a dep?09:33
didrockslet me check09:33
didrocksthose should be there by the places IIRC09:33
fta2same for  /usr/share/unity/files.png09:33
didrocksno, it should be at /usr/share/unity/themes/applications.png09:34
didrocksso, something is looking for it at the old directory09:34
didrocksfta2: I didn't see that one, please file it as well as a reminderr09:34
* didrocks looks at his logs09:34
didrocksfta2: I confirm09:35
didrockscan be a nice bitesize IMHO09:35
fta2grrr, it's annoying, after each compiz crash, all my workspaces are messed up09:38
cassidykenvandine, didrocks: it would be really nice to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/400485 at some point..09:40
ubot2Launchpad bug 400485 in ubuntu-sounds "Empathy sounds not in default ubuntu theme" [Low,Confirmed]09:40
didrockscan someone on the team having a look? I really need to switch on other tasks :) ^^09:42
fta2didrocks, bug 72766609:45
ubot2Launchpad bug 727666 in unity "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in nux::Area::SetVisible()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72766609:45
didrocksfta2: thanks09:48
seb128lut huats09:52
seb128cassidy, what is the issue with this bug? sound files which are missing in the ubuntu theme?09:52
huatshey seb12809:53
cassidyseb128, yeah, some sounds are not part of ubuntu's sound theme09:53
seb128cassidy, do we need those? do you know what blocked adding those?09:53
seb128iirc there was some issues, it was not as trivial as "just copy those"09:53
fta2didrocks, and bug 72767209:54
ubot2Launchpad bug 727672 in unity "looking for 'places' icons in the wrong location" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72767209:54
didrocksfta2: thanks, will add a bitesize09:54
cassidyseb128, I didn't check latest version (I'm not yet in Natty) but last time I checked some sounds were missing. IIRC I should have listed the sounds used by empathy09:55
seb128cassidy, reading the bug report it seems there is no available sounds for the missing effects09:57
seb128like the fdo theme doesn't have those either?09:57
cassidyhum I think it does but I may be wrong. Anyway, don't you have an art theme that could make the missing sounds? :)09:58
seb128hum, "an art theme"?09:59
seb128we have design people, but they do graphics09:59
cassidy /theme/team :p10:00
cassidyI don't know who should do it, but I'm sure there is at least *one* person in the Ubuntu community that should be able to do that :)10:01
seb128cassidy, ok, I will try to check what is the issue to start10:02
seb128like if the set of sounds we ship are working10:02
seb128the ones which are missing as well10:02
cassidycheck with the users complaining on that bug maybe. I don't use sounds that much myself10:02
seb128yeah me neither10:03
seb128which I guess it part of the issue10:03
pittihey seb12810:03
seb128the tech people seem to tend to not use those so we don't really get annoyed10:03
seb128hello pitti, how are you?10:03
pittia lot better after a good night's sleep :)10:04
seb128pitti, ;-)10:04
chrisccoulsongood morning everyone10:04
seb128pitti, you are on intel video? do you get the unity launcher icon being 1x1 pixel on dnd since yesterday?10:04
* pitti soaring above the clouds while piloting10:04
seb128hey chrisccoulson10:05
pittihey chrisccoulson10:05
pittiseb128: intel> yes; dnd from where to where?10:05
chrisccoulsonhi seb128/pitti, how are you?10:05
seb128pitti, just try to reorder a launcher in the dock10:05
seb128chrisccoulson, I'm fine thanks, how are you10:05
pittiseb128: confirmed10:05
seb128didrocks, njpatel: ^ ok, broken on intel it seems10:05
chrisccoulsonseb128 - i'm not too bad thanks, although a little tired10:05
chrisccoulsontrying to get the thunderbird 3.3 nightly builds up and running :010:06
njpatelWe'll milestone for next week10:06
seb128njpatel, thanks10:06
seb128chrisccoulson, did you see my comment about appmenu and pidgin btw?10:06
seb128njpatel, didrocks: oh, new comment on the bug, someone says he gets it on nvidia as well10:08
didrocksseb128: ok, well… it's milestoned :)10:09
didrocksI'll add that to the A3 release note10:09
seb128ok, thanks10:09
seb128let's try to find other bugs now ;-)10:09
didrockslike "on all but dx computer setup…" :)10:09
didrocksnoooooooooo ;-)10:09
seb128pitti, do we have candidate isos to test?10:09
pittiseb128: yes10:09
chrisccoulsonseb128 - yeah, i saw that10:10
chrisccoulsoni get the issue too10:10
seb128pitti, ok, great10:10
seb128chrisccoulson, do you want to work the issue? i.e should I assign you the bug when I open one later?10:10
chrisccoulsonseb128 - yeah, can do10:10
Sweetsharkpitti: I had the transitionals build successfully yesterday, but they failed to upload to the ppa because of newer versions of it in the ppa. I wonder if it would make sense to make a separate ppa for backports, because a) the libreoffice ppa already is half full b) I dont want the average user to get annoyed by every testbuild I do c) we could conviniently get rid of the to high 3.3.1 openoffice transitional version. However, it would10:12
pittiSweetshark: (your message got truncated)10:13
pittiSweetshark: if that's just a place to test-build/ park for sponsoring, you can create another "test" ppa for ~libreoffice, or just use a personal one (~bjoern-m/+archive/test or so)10:13
edwardcpitti: hello pitti, got a minute ?10:16
pittiedwardc: hi, what's up?10:17
chrisccoulsonb'ah, URI handler registration changes are giving me a major headache for thunderbird10:19
chrisccoulsonit's totally screwed10:19
Sweetsharkpitti: true10:21
Sweetsharkpitti: but how do I get rid of the 3.3.1 transitionals in the ppa?10:22
pittiSweetshark: they aren't built by any source any more? I thought they'd be cleaned up automatically10:22
pittiSweetshark: if not, I'm afraid that's a question for #launchpad10:23
pittiSweetshark: I suggest using a different PPA in the meantime10:23
Sweetsharkpitti: well, my upload got rejected because of newer versions.10:25
pittiSweetshark: oh, you mean it builds binary packages which have/had a newer version in natty itself, not just the PPA?10:29
chrisccoulsonis anyone else seeing warnings like this when running dpkg? http://paste.ubuntu.com/574386/10:32
Sweetsharkpitti: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/65413252/upload_2294496_log.txt <- it also compares against versions from previous builds10:32
pittiSweetshark: right, version numbers need to increase monotonously10:37
pittiSweetshark: hm, but that should only apply to the libo PPA, not to natty10:38
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pittimvo: do you mind if I review/commit a (rather obvious) update-manager fix into bzr?12:48
pittior do you prefer doing these yourself?12:49
mterrychrisccoulson, my panel likes to crash when I switch to thunderbird12:52
chrisccoulsonmterry, oh, that's not good ;)12:52
seb128mterry, hey12:53
seb128mterry, unity or gnome-panel?12:53
mterryseb128, unity panel.12:54
mterrychrisccoulson, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/574432/12:54
mterryHrm, It's not only when I switch to thunderbird.  It just seems crashy12:55
mterryOh, those are 'assertion failed' messages in my xsessions-errors12:55
mterryIf that's a real assert...12:55
chrisccoulsonmterry, the messages from thunderbird there are fixed with http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~extension-hackers/globalmenu-extension/trunk/revision/11712:55
mvopitti: I can do that now12:56
chrisccoulsonand http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~extension-hackers/globalmenu-extension/trunk/revision/11912:56
mvopitti: but in general if its obvous its fine to just commit12:56
mterryIt's crashing over and over.  My gnome-terminal gets smaller as I watch it12:56
chrisccoulsonbut they shouldn't be related to the crash :/12:56
pittimvo: ok; I'm on it (part of my patch piloting)12:56
pittimvo: I won't upload it anyway, just commit12:56
mvopitti: ok, cool12:57
seb128hum, bug #72751212:59
ubot2seb128: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: list index out of range (https://launchpad.net/bugs/727512)12:59
seb128"indicator-applet-appmenu crashed with SIGSEGV in g_variant_builder_add_value() "12:59
mterryIt's something in libappmenu, about unref'ing something it shouldn't...13:01
seb128mterry, seems like a bug for you if you want to claim it ;-)13:02
mterryseb128, yeah, I'm digging. it's real annoying13:02
seb128mterry, could be a duplicate, I think I've seen a bug with a similar title recently13:03
jibelseb128, after a restart or logout/login I can't reproduce bug 727744 anymore, I'm closing it for now as unreproducible.13:07
ubot2Launchpad bug 727744 in gnome-session "desktop doesn't start after wubi upgrade to natty" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72774413:07
seb128mterry, oh13:07
seb128mterry, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~dbusmenu-team/dbusmenu/trunk/revision/24813:07
mterryseb128, no, mine seems to be stopping at the line before that bit, the "gtk_accelerator_valid" check13:08
mterryseb128, but now I'm thinking that message is a red herring13:09
seb128mterry, well the one I just listed seems a duplicate of the one fixed by that commit13:09
mterryseb128, ah13:09
seb128the launchpad ui sucks though13:09
seb128https://code.launchpad.net/~dbusmenu-team/dbusmenu/trunk lists the bug number etc13:10
seb128but the revision commit doesn't13:10
seb128jibel: ok thanks for the update13:12
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Sweetsharkdoko: Any joy on the ARM build?13:36
dokoSweetshark: still building (be careful with daily LO upload, if the arm builds would have succeeded, they wouldn't have reached the archive. but your sponsor should know that)13:38
mterrynjpatel, got a sec?13:51
njpatelmterry, hey13:52
mterrynjpatel, does https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/727788 look familiar, and does my proposed change make sense?13:52
ubot2Launchpad bug 727788 in unity "unity-panel-service crashed in g_type_class_meta_marshal" [Undecided,New]13:52
njpatelmterry, yes, that's correct iirc13:52
mterrynjpatel, k, will file a merge and probably distro patch it13:53
* mterry wonders why not everyone has this crash13:53
seb128do you use a11y on?13:53
mterryseb128, yup.  That's why.  ;)13:54
mterryforgot I had that on13:54
seb128mterry, ok, that's why others don't get it ;-)13:56
seb128mterry, is that an unity fix? i.e will you upload unity?13:57
mterryseb128, yeah13:57
seb128didrocks, ^ if there is an unity upload should any other fix be considered?13:57
didrocksseb128: nothing right now13:58
didrockshum, mterry if you upload unity, please don't screw up the bzr branch. Cherry-pick from upstream :)13:58
didrocks(I think that can wait on Monday with the release though)13:59
mterrydidrocks, what do you mean about uploading unity?14:04
didrocksmterry: you need to cherry-pick in the bzr branch from upstream14:05
didrocksmterry: in any case, don't upload today, let's wait if we get other fixes tomorrow14:06
didrocksas we are in freeze14:06
seb128or check on with pitti on the r-t before uploading14:06
seb128having a11y working in a3 might be worth an upload14:07
didrocks(and do it merging the change in the packaging branch to avoid conflicts, please!)14:07
seb128oh right14:07
didrocksseb128: is there a respin planned?14:07
seb128didrocks, not sure, but if there is none the update doesn't hurt either, it means people running natty can get it14:08
mterrydidrocks, I guess I'm missing something.  I don't understand how unity's packaging is unique?14:08
seb128mterry, oh right, for dx stack we tend to bzr merge revision rather than using a patch system, it's easier14:08
didrocksmterry: it's because we use merge-upstream14:08
didrocksso, the packaging branch is derived frmo upstream one14:08
didrocksand we merge back for daily build14:08
seb128mterry, if you do bzr merge the upstream commit it will just resolve on the next upload14:08
seb128mterry, it's easier than to add a patch system and a patch to revert14:09
didrocksand having conflicts in daily build14:09
seb128mterry, it's true for the indicator stack as well btw14:09
mterryk...  but I couldn't do that until the patch landed upstream it sounds14:09
seb128well you can bzr merge your vcs14:09
didrocksmterry: you can14:09
mterryoh ok14:09
didrocksmterry: because it's acked though14:09
seb128if it gets merged in trunk without change that will just work14:09
seb128if it gets changes before landing it will create issues14:09
didrocksto wait on an official ack :)14:09
mterrydidrocks, well, sure, but only because we generally have you around.  Obviously Ubuntu does not generally block on upstream acks14:10
didrocksmterry: right, but in this case, we are upstream as well :)14:10
didrockshence the workflow is quite different14:11
didrocksas we are using the same branch for daily builds and such14:11
didrocksso I prefer to warn before you upload :)14:11
seb128mterry, well for indicators even if it's not approved it's easier to bzr merge from a merge request vcs than to add a patch system usually14:11
mterryRegardless, sounds like we don't want this patch for A3?14:12
seb128check with r-t14:12
seb128or ask pitti14:12
didrocksmterry: right, they will decide :)14:12
pittiin general, you can upload safe(!) patches, but don't count on getting them into A314:12
seb128seems a case of fixing an annoying crasher with a safe patch, upload ;-)14:13
mterrypitti, it's a bug that, if you have a11y turned on, the unity panel will continually crash14:13
* mterry discovers #ubuntu-release, which he had forgotten about14:14
seb128nessita, hey14:16
nessitaseb128: hey there!14:16
seb128nessita, is ubuntu one is the indicator menu supposed to have a > ?14:16
nessitaseb128: when syncdaemon is running, yes14:16
kenvandinethat is finally working for me14:16
nessitakenvandine: YEY14:17
mterrydidrocks, is unity making a release this week?14:17
didrocksmterry: there was one yesterday, next one is Monday14:17
didrocks(see the desktop team meeting wiki page ;))14:17
seb128nessita, doesn't work for me14:17
nessitaseb128: what version are you running?14:17
nessitaseb128: hum, let me grab thisfred so he can debug that with you, since I'm in the middle of a call with the boss :-)14:18
didrocksmterry: in anyway upload, I'll do another upload even during the freeze if we see last minutes "ooppsss"14:19
seb128nessita, no hurry, don't bother14:19
seb128nessita, I was just wondering if that's supposed to be working14:19
nessitathisfred: hey! meet seb12814:19
seb128hi thisfred14:19
thisfredhi seb14:19
nessitaseb128: meet thisfred14:19
dobeymvo: ping14:20
mvohey dobey14:23
nessitaseb128: would you please let thisfred know the issue you're having with the messaging indicator?14:24
seb128thisfred, it's easy, I was wondering if the ubuntuone line should have a > indicating the service is running14:24
seb128since it doesn't here14:25
dobeymvo: hey, is there any documentation for using aptdaemon from C? or is it even possible?14:25
seb128disclamer I've no file shared on this account, but the account is logged and I use tomboy notes syncing14:25
thisfredseb128: ah, yes it should, but in the last release it does not. If you're subscribed to our nightlies PPA it does14:25
seb128the control panel dialog says the syncing is uptodate14:25
seb128thisfred, ok, I'm on current natty so that explains it, thanks14:25
mvodobey: its a dbus interface, if you "just" need to install something, you can use the session api from packagekit, we install a wrapper that supports most of that14:25
seb128nessita, ^14:26
thisfredwhew :)14:26
seb128nessita, it's not supposed to work in natty14:26
kenvandineah... i forgot i was on the nightlies14:26
seb128thisfred, thanks!14:26
* kenvandine needs to get off of that :)14:26
dobeymvo: ok, let me see what exactly is happening in that python code that we need to do14:26
nessitaseb128: it is! but maybe we haven't released it yet (is a bug fix)14:26
seb128bcurtiswx, kenvandine: do you know what's going on about bug #40048514:27
ubot2Launchpad bug 400485 in ubuntu-sounds "Empathy sounds not in default ubuntu theme" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40048514:27
mvodobey: I guess it depends on your use-case, but its definitely possible to use it from C. what is the use-case?14:27
seb128bcurtiswx, kenvandine: do you know if the standard effects are not working or if we miss some sounds?14:27
seb128nessita, right, it's fixed in the nightlies and not in alpha3 then14:27
seb128nessita, which is fine with me, I was just not sure if it was supposed to work in natty or not14:28
seb128nessita, thanks!14:28
nessitaseb128: thank you! for your attention to detail14:28
kenvandineseb128, i am pretty sure the sounds are missing14:28
mterrydidrocks, ok, hope I did that right14:28
seb128kenvandine, which ones? the comments seems to suggest only a few are not installed14:28
didrocksmterry: do you want me to have a look?14:29
mterrydidrocks, sure14:29
kenvandineseb128, seems sending doesn't14:30
mterrydidrocks, oh... hmm..  I bet I screwed something up.  I didn't actually cherry-pick.  I believe I merged my branch, and it came with another small patch that I just reverted before continuing.  That probably was not correct14:30
kenvandinebut new message does14:30
kenvandinei can have a look at what we are missing and see what we can do14:30
dobeymvo: so we need to activate the partner repository for the ubuntu version we're running on, and install a package from it14:30
didrocksmterry: hum, sonds good to me14:30
bcurtiswxthere should be sounds for: received, sent, new convo, contact online/offline, account online/offline14:30
mterrydidrocks, that won't screw it up when it remerges (i.e. look like I undid that patch?)14:30
seb128bcurtiswx, can you check on the bug or add a comment asking what specific issues people still have with it?14:31
bcurtiswxseb128, sure14:31
didrocksmterry: let me look at trunk14:31
seb128bcurtiswx, thanks14:31
didrocksmterry: no, it's fine14:32
didrocksmterry: so, we released unity14:32
didrocksmterry: then, I cherry-pick a commit from neil14:32
dobeymvo: i guess using packagekit would be optimal if we can, since then we can make it work correctly on other distros too14:32
didrockswhich changed the opacity14:33
didrocksthis is the alpha3 version14:33
didrocksthen, njpatel seems to have reverted that in another commit14:33
didrocksmterry: and you cherry-picked it as well, not a big deal :)14:33
didrocksoh no14:33
didrocksyou revert it14:33
didrocksyeah, that will screw up14:33
njpateldidrocks, yeah14:34
seb128mterry, you should have merge -c rev14:34
njpateldidrocks, I made a mistake14:34
didrocksnjpatel: why did you reverted that btw?14:34
mterryseb128, agreed14:34
njpateldidrocks, there wasn't an issue, it was a dual-screen issue locally14:34
didrocksmterry: can you just bzr uncommit and bzr merge -c rev?14:34
didrocksthen push with --overwrite14:34
njpatelwell, anyone who uses unity with dual-screen has that issue14:34
mterrydidrocks, yup14:34
didrocksmterry: thanks :)14:34
njpatelbut the change I made was wrong so I reverted it out14:35
njpatelI didn't overwrite trunk in case someone had branched in that time14:35
didrocksnjpatel: oh, you mean with 0.9 we don't see the opacity on dual screen?14:35
didrocksnjpatel: yeah, so alpha3 would have the wrong value, not a big deal:)14:35
njpatelyeah, no biggie14:36
didrocksnjpatel: dude, I like it so much like that on my dual screen :)14:36
njpatelI need to get that bug fixed, I can't use dual-screen because of it14:36
mterrydidrocks, done14:36
didrocksmterry: looking :)14:37
didrocksmterry: sounds good, but conflicts tags?14:41
didrocksmterry: so, normally, I do that in two commits:14:41
didrocksbzr merge -c …14:41
dobeymvo: is activating a repo doable from C?14:41
didrocksthen vim debian/changelog -> edit dch -r ""/debcommit -r14:41
didrocksmterry: but that's fine as it is :)14:41
* mterry misses patches14:42
seb128mterry, is that bug the same issue you just fixed in unity?14:42
seb128bug #72736414:42
ubot2seb128: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: list index out of range (https://launchpad.net/bugs/727364)14:42
mterryseb128, doesn't look like it14:42
mterryoh wait14:42
mterrysorry, thought that ubot2 error was the title14:43
mterryseb128, yeah, it's a dup14:43
mterryor rather, mine was a dup14:43
seb128can you close it then? thanks ;-)14:43
mterryyup, marked14:44
seb128mterry, bug #727444 seems another crasher, not sure if the stacktrace is enough for you to work on14:44
ubot2Launchpad bug 727444 in indicator-appmenu "unity-panel-service crashed with SIGSEGV in g_closure_invoke()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72744414:44
mvodobey: yes, there is a "enable_distro_component" and a "add_repository" call14:44
mvodobey: let me check if that is exposed on the session API14:44
mvodobey: what repo is that ?14:44
mterrylooks like someone didn't disconnect a signal again14:45
mterryI hate signals14:45
dobeymvo: canonical-partner i think is the name of it?14:45
dobeymvo: anyway, i'm trying to move this code from our rhythmbox extension into the C lib we have, so that people don't have to rewrite the same code over and over to stick our music store in their player (ie banshee)14:47
seb128mterry, bug #726388, not sure if it makes sense but it seems to happen only under valgrind, or valgrind slow things enough for a race to show14:48
ubot2Launchpad bug 726388 in indicator-appmenu "evolution crashed with SIGSEGV in IA__gtk_widget_is_toplevel()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72638814:48
mvodobey: ok, here is a example of the python, you could consider just shippping a external "enable_repo" helper: python -c 'import aptdaemon.client; aptdaemon.client.AptClient().add_repository("deb", "http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu", "natty", ["partner"], wait=True)'14:48
seb128mterry, you can get the same crash by running indicator-messages in valgrind and trying to open something for the indicator14:49
dobeymvo: yeah i know what the python is, i have it in my emacs buffer right now :)14:49
mvoheh, ok :)14:49
dobeymvo: i'm just wonder if it's a) doable in C and if so if there is documentation, or b) if i have to ship a python helper thing14:49
seb128mterry, ok, those are things that came up from reviewing recent apport crash bugs, if you feel like investigating one for those feel free to pick it14:50
mterryseb128, sure14:51
mvodobey: ok, I guess both is fine, (b) is less work in the short term. there org.debian.apt with /org/debian/apt and a AddRepository dbus call. this will give you a transaction id that you can use to get the dbus transaction. it should be enough to call Run() on that then14:52
mvomeh, there is a "for (a) … " missing in the above14:52
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dobeymvo: ok. and that's not exposed through PackageKit API as far as you know?14:55
mvodobey: unfortunately not, its only stuff like searchfile, installpackagefiles, etc14:58
mvono api on that level for adding repositories14:58
dobeyhrmm, ok14:58
kenvandineseb128, i've prepared the fix adding the sounds to the sound theme for empathy15:05
kenvandinewill upload after a315:05
seb128kenvandine, ok, great, you can probably upload if it's not an update like to break things15:07
kenvandineok... will do15:07
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seb128kenvandine, thanks15:11
seb128ok, so can other try if opening screenshots or images that take a bit to load in eog lead to appmenu issues?15:12
seb128it seems that if it takes a bit to load the image it misses its menus there15:12
* kenvandine tries15:16
kenvandineseb128, how big of an image ?15:22
seb128well here I tried on screenshots, like print screen and double click on it in nautilus15:22
kenvandinei haven't found any issues, biggest i have handy is 3.1M15:22
seb128but depends of how slow your box is I guess15:22
kenvandineyeah, that works fine for me15:23
kenvandinepretty speedy i guess15:23
seb128if it takes over a second to load I get no menus15:23
seb128I guess you can try next time you build gtk or something ;-)15:23
seb128chrisccoulson, mterry: ^ who wants to claim bug #72784315:29
ubot2Launchpad bug 727843 in indicator-appmenu "eog menus not exported when opening an image slow to load" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72784315:29
mterryseb128, eww, I can look15:31
seb128kenvandine, mterry: "valgrind eog" seems an easy way to trigger it15:32
seb128or to slow it down enough rather15:32
mterryseb128, you and valgrind15:32
seb128mterry, the issue didn't come from running valgrind on this one, i just though it might be a way to slow things down and it proved to work ;-)15:34
chrisccoulsoni bet seb128 runs Xorg in valgrind ;)15:35
seb128I see15:35
seb128trying to make me a reputation? ;-)15:35
kenvandinenot sure which would be worse, Xorg or firefox15:36
* kenvandine wouldn't even suggest LO15:36
chrisccoulsoni think xorg would be worse ;)15:38
seb128some of the GNOME bugsquaders used to run gnome-session under valgrind15:38
seb128which includes what gnome-session starts15:38
chrisccoulsonthat's crazy!15:39
chrisccoulsoni wouldn't recommend running firefox under valgrind though, you need a special build for that ;)15:39
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* Sweetshark valgrinded LO already16:07
Sweetsharkwell, callgrinded16:07
mterryDo other people see a bug where sometimes you can't click on non-Unity apps?   That they all stop responding until unity is restarted?16:21
didrocksmterry: do you have an invisible window?16:22
didrocksmterry: can you try xprop where the click isn't effective?16:22
mterrydidrocks, sure, next time16:22
didrocksmterry: thanks :)16:23
seb128mterry, didn't see that or bugs about it16:24
mterrymaybe another a11y thing16:24
Sweetsharkpitti: btw: https://launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/+archive/libreoffice-testing/+packages <- libreoffice-core shrinked by 10 MB (others likely too)16:26
pittiSweetshark: lzma FTW?16:27
Sweetsharkpitti: yes.16:29
SweetsharkOh, and i just found another possible candidate for getting some space on the CD image: libreoffice-filter-binfilter. Maybe we can skip that one.16:30
pittiSweetshark: we do mean to skip it16:34
pittiSweetshark: we didn't install the OO.o equivalent of that16:35
pittiSweetshark: hm, we don't install it actually16:35
pittidarn, I thought that'd be our solution for oversizedness :(16:35
mterrydidrocks, nope, xprops got the real window.  And windows started graying out, like they were unresponsive16:36
didrocksmterry: ok, that's weird though :/16:38
didrocksI would intend to think an a11y thing…16:38
mterrydidrocks, yeah.  Everything came back when I restarted unity16:38
mvohrm, my gnome-terminal just closed during a upgrade, not cool16:40
* achiang has a *really* dumb question -- let's say a package has a glade layout (update-manager, in this case). how does one actually *use* glade to edit the UI that's already present in the package (or in my case, already present in the bzr branch)16:51
mvoachiang: there are no dumb questions. just run glade path/to/uifile.ui16:52
achiangmvo: thanks, this is *much* easier than saying "vi path/to/uifile.ui" and staring dumbly for an hour. ;)16:53
mvois autoraise window in compiz broken/not-honored currently (when set via the metacity gconf key)?17:02
mvohm, now its working again, odd17:08
* achiang still ends up editing the foo.ui file by hand, because glade makes some weirdo noisy changes i don't fully grok17:12
achiangbut using glade to make the first changes, then looking at output of bzr diff, allows me to make the hand-edit with more confidence17:12
pittimeh, I start getting compiz crashes again17:13
pittiof -window-decorator; looks funny :)17:13
didrockspitti: there is one known crash on the decorator. not trivial to fix though17:14
didrockssam is working on it since yesterday17:14
pittiah, I can just restart it, nice17:14
pittiI'll just report it; if for nothing else, than checking if the auto-dup'ing is alright :)17:15
didrockspitti: yeah, let's say it's a "test case" :)17:15
pittishould be a dupe of bug 72487417:16
ubot2Launchpad bug 724874 in unity "unity-window-decorator crashed with SIGSEGV in g_cclosure_marshal_VOID__OBJECT()" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72487417:16
didrocksyeah, that's the one!17:17
nessitanjpatel: hey there, quick question about unity. I just installed all the updates (search box works, yey!) but the window decorations are acting up. For non maximized windows, the decoration appear and dissapear randomly making me dizzy :-)17:55
didrocksnessita: yeah, it crashes it seems17:57
didrockshey o/17:57
nessitadidrocks: hey!17:57
didrockslook at bug #72487417:57
ubot2Launchpad bug 724874 in unity "unity-window-decorator crashed with SIGSEGV in g_cclosure_marshal_VOID__OBJECT()" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72487417:57
didrocksnessita: you can rerun it on a terminal btw17:57
nessitadidrocks: but is not like it crashes, it appears and dissapears and re appears again17:57
didrocksthat's weird17:57
didrocksnessita: can you made a screencast?17:57
didrocksnessita: and show to smspillaz17:57
nessitaI'll try17:57
didrocksthanks :)17:58
nessitahow's the app name to make screencasts?17:58
* nessita has bad ram sectors17:58
nessitapopey: thanks!17:58
nessitadidrocks: not only the decorations appear and dissapear but the window sizes change randomly (just FYI, will make a screencast)17:59
didrocksyeah, a screencast will be nice :)18:00
didrocksthat sounds scary18:00
nessitaAttributeError: TrayPopupMenu instance has no attribute 'popupmenu_continueitem'18:00
nessitacan't run gtk-recordMyDesktop :-(18:00
didrocksyeah, it's broken18:00
didrocksI didn't take time to look18:00
didrocksyou can use recordmydesktop18:00
didrocksthe command line18:00
nessitadidrocks: I will18:00
didrocksnessita: MacSlow suggested: recordmydesktop -o /tmp/screencast --overwrite --v_bitrate=2000000 --v_quality=63 --no-sound --fps=25 -x 1 -y 1 --width 320 --height 24018:01
nessitadidrocks: too late! :-)18:02
nessitaOMG terminal is smaller each time I press ALT-TAB, I'm about to run out of terminal! :-)18:02
popeyis your window creeping across the screen?18:03
seb128nessita, do you use a11y?18:03
seb128nessita, turn it off18:03
nessitaseb128: what's a11y?18:03
seb128nessita, sorry you have decoration issues, I though you had menus issues18:03
seb128ignore me18:04
nessitapopey: not really, just getting smaller each time I press ALT+TAB18:04
seb128nessita, a11y = accessiblity18:04
Sweetsharkpitti: I just uploaded the l10n package to my ppa, but expect it to be rejected. We are currently copying the whole libreoffice orig tarballs to libreoffice-l10n-tarballs. so the tarballs are new, but they are missing in the changes file. Whats the best practice in this case?18:04
nessitaah :-)18:04
* nessita has so much to learn18:04
Sweetsharkpitti: or to put it different: how do I force the files into the changes file?18:07
nessitadidrocks: video is being uploaded to chinstrap right now... https://chinstrap.canonical.com/~nessita/unity-resize-madness.ogv18:08
nessitasmspillaz: ping18:08
Sweetsharkpitti: Just guessing: running dpkg-genchanges -S -sa ?18:08
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nessitadidrocks: all I did was several ALT-TABs18:09
didrocksnessita: that's "fun" in some way :)18:09
didrocksnessita: please, open a bug on compiz, attach the video18:09
pittiSweetshark: right, -sa18:10
didrocksnessita: and ping me :)18:10
nessitadidrocks: is not a public video, but yes, I\ ll paste the link18:10
nessitadidrocks: any idea what I can disable to be able to code? (I use the terminal to write code)18:10
pittididrocks: hah, apport dup'ed it just fine18:10
* didrocks hugs pitti for that. You can't even imagine how much dup we would get :)18:11
didrocksnessita: try to run gtk-window-decorator --replace18:11
didrocksnessita: with some hope, it's not impacted18:11
nessitadidrocks: weird: The program 'gtk-window-decorator' is currently not installed.  To run 'gtk-window-decorator' please ask your administrator to install the package 'compiz-gnome'18:12
nessitaI try inside chinstrap :-D18:12
* nessita re try18:12
didrocksnessita: ahah, install Xorg here, people will like it :)18:12
nessitadidrocks: command ran, window decorations are back but funny resizing is still happening when I alt+tab18:13
didrocksnessita: ok, I have no clue then, did you logout/login after dist-upgrade,18:14
nessitadidrocks: yes, 2 times and I had to reboot a second time and re login, since desktop was completely empty the first time18:14
nessitaI can try rebooting again18:14
nessitadidrocks: I'm a bit lost, where should I file the compiz bug?18:15
didrocksnessita: ubuntu-bug compiz ?18:15
didrockswhen it asks you if it's an unity issue, answer "no"18:16
nessitadidrocks: ah, I'm used to go to LP and look for the project there :-)18:16
didrocksnessita: that will give us all the secrets of your hw18:16
didrockswhich is needed for compiz issue :)18:17
nessitadidrocks: ubuntu-bug showed an exception:18:17
nessita  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/apport/report.py", line 654, in add_hooks_info18:17
nessita    symb['add_info'](self)18:17
nessitaTypeError: add_info() takes exactly 2 arguments (1 given)18:17
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didrockshum ?18:17
didrocksubuntu-bug compiz is working there18:17
didrockspitti: any recent change to apport?18:17
pittino, and that's a hook18:18
didrocksnessita: did you get any dialog first?18:18
didrockspitti: well, I tested it a lot and ubuntu-bug compiz is working there :/18:18
pittididrocks: presumably it's hitting one of the ifs, and collecting additional info18:18
pittihang on18:18
didrockspitti: I'm trying but I tried to get all cases :)18:19
nessitadidrocks: I do have the 'send problem report to the devs', so I will click on 'send report'18:19
pittior a hook throws a TypeError18:19
nessitaOMG, my desktop is driving me crazy! (and very dizzy :-))18:19
didrocksERROR: hook /usr/share/apport/package-hooks//source_xorg.py crashed:18:20
pittinessita: can you try something?18:20
pittinessita: edit /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/apport/report.py (as root)18:20
nessitapitti: sure! I have no terminal left, but shooT :-)18:20
pittinessita: line 60918:20
pittinessita: append a "raise"18:20
pitti               except TypeError:18:20
pitti                               raise18:21
pittilike this18:21
pittiand re-run18:21
pittithis should show the real error18:21
* didrocks hopes it's not his hook, they are quite simple18:21
pittiI ought to fix this to filter out the actual add_info() call failures18:21
didrocksjust some game to not cycle between the compiz and unity one :)18:21
nessitaFYI, all my desktop freezes from time to time for about 10 seconds18:21
didrocksnessita: try to switch back to the classic session maybe18:21
didrocksit's really weird18:22
seb128nessita, do you have any crash in /var/crash?18:22
nessitadidrocks: I will once I finish debugging with you guys18:22
nessitaseb128: queuing your question for a couple of mins :-)18:23
* Sweetshark just notices that with l10n, the space in the ppa could get tight ...18:24
dokoSweetshark: ask for more18:24
nessitapitti: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/574584/18:26
nessitadidrocks: bug #72794718:26
ubot2Launchpad bug 727947 in compiz "Window decorations and gnome-terminal resizing madness" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72794718:26
nessitaseb128: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/574585/18:27
pittinessita: meh; hang on18:27
seb128nessita, can you move those somewhere else and see if you get a new one18:27
nessitaseb128: yes sir18:27
nessitacan I delete them all?18:27
* nessita likes deleting18:28
seb128nessita, you can18:28
seb128that will tell you if something keeps crashing and be respawned18:28
seb128just watch the dir to see if something is added a few seconds after you delete it18:28
didrocksseb128: can you follow up on that and decide if sam should be aware of it?18:28
nessitaseb128: this was:18:28
nessitanessita@dali:~$ ls /var/crash/18:28
didrocksneed to finish some other stuff :)18:28
seb128nessita, ok, it seems you get the a11y crash thing18:29
seb128didrocks, yes, I think it's the bug mterry fixed18:29
didrocksseb128: thanks a bunch!18:29
seb128nessita, try upgrading unity or turn accessiblity off18:29
seb128nessita, the issue is that the unity-panel keeps crashing and reloadin18:29
nessitaseb128: I've just updated and rebooted, and all these issues started to appear18:29
seb128so it means your menu keep bouncing between the softwares and unity18:30
nessitaseb128: I'm updating the package list again, to see if there is a new update18:30
seb128nessita, dpkg -l | grep unity?18:30
seb128nessita, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/3.6.0-0ubuntu218:30
Sweetsharkdoko: it should work out: currently 536 MiB sources (double that to 1070 MiB with l10n) plus 470 MiB for amd64 deb files (on my local disc) plus some more for i386 only deb files (which should be less than 470 MiB) < 2GiB18:31
nessitapackage list update in process...18:31
nessitaseb128: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/574588/18:31
nessitaseb128: no updates available for me18:31
seb128nessita, i386 or amd64?18:31
pittinessita: please replace above file with http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~apport-hackers/apport/trunk/download/head:/report.py-20061218231403-e2r3b8dtmn69o6gn-1/report.py and try again18:31
nessitapitti: right away18:31
dokoSweetshark: fine, just making sure where you can ask ...18:32
nessitaseb128: amd6418:32
seb128nessita, wget https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/3.6.0-0ubuntu2/+buildjob/2295608/+files/unity-common_3.6.0-0ubuntu2_all.deb https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/3.6.0-0ubuntu2/+buildjob/2295606/+files/unity_3.6.0-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb18:32
seb128nessita, then sudo dpkg -i unity*.deb18:32
seb128nessita, then "unity"18:32
seb128nessita, with some luck it stops the issues18:32
nessitaseb128: ack18:32
nessitapitti: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/574590/18:33
nessitaseb128: FYI, when installing, WARNING: Failed to parse default value `' for schema (/schemas/apps/devhelp/state/main/contents/books_disabled)18:33
seb128nessita, don't worry about that, it's a translation issue in a schemas18:34
Sweetsharkdoko: hmm, the duplicated sources need to be uploaded explicitly, but do not seem to add to the ppa size (something comparing the checksums there?).18:34
seb128nothing to do with unity18:34
pittinessita: argh, I suck; I have that code twice, sorry18:35
nessitapitti: keep them coming! :-)18:35
nessitaseb128: issue fixed!18:35
seb128nessita, ;-)18:35
pittiseb128: you were faster with fixing the bug than me fixing apport to report it!?!18:35
nessitaseb128: but, didn't I have 3.6.0-0ubuntu1 arelady installed?!?!?!18:36
seb128pitti, in fact mterry was faster than us and fixed it some hours before nessita complained18:36
nessitaah, ubuntu2 :-)18:36
nessitaextra points for mterry!18:36
pittinessita: reload and retry, please18:36
dokoSweetshark: yes, and they are available in the distro too18:36
* pitti hugs mterry18:36
seb128nessita, but so you have accessibility on on your box18:36
nessitapitti: sí jefe18:36
nessitaseb128: I never explicitly enabled it18:37
seb128nessita, you probably did or ran something which did it for you18:37
seb128mterry, thanks for catching this one and uploading the fix today ;-)18:37
nessitaseb128: definitely something did it for me, I just logged in and started having these issues18:37
mterryseb128, I can be real fast when a bug is affecting me :)18:37
seb128nessita, the crash was a bug in the new unity updates18:38
seb128nessita, but it only happens for users who have accessibility on18:38
seb128nessita, you might have it on for years, it's not doing anything noticable if you don't use it18:38
nessitapitti: you sure you uploaded something new? I'm getting the same trace18:38
pittinessita: I did, yes18:38
pittinessita: it might still be the same trace; unlikely, but possible18:39
nessitapitti: how can I confirm I have the right code before mocking you? :-P18:39
pittinessita: report.py should have md5 7359e5b7c3c7d49cf7ce34a7d868ba4e18:39
nessitapitti: ah, I just reloaded the same link, so it was the same (old) file18:39
pittinessita: oops, yes; why does it add these IDs even18:42
pittinessita: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~apport-hackers/apport/trunk/view/head:/apport/report.py -> "download file"18:42
nessitapitti: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/574599/18:43
pittinessita: thanks (it was a good fix to have anyway..)18:44
nessitadid it work?18:44
* nessita sees a trace the same18:44
seb128nessita, can you pastebins /usr/share/apport/package-hooks//source_xorg.py18:44
pittiI was hoping that source_xorg.py was throwing an actual TypeError which got misinterpreted by apport's report.py18:45
nessitaseb128:  cat: usr/share/apport/package-hooks/source_xorg.py: No such file or directory18:45
nessitamy bad :-D18:45
seb128nessita, lacking the trailing char18:45
pittinessita: ok, seems I actually need to *test* this (OMG)18:48
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nessitaseb128: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/574605/18:49
kenvandinepitti, do i need to do a FFE for indicator-me to add the a11y description ?18:49
Sweetsharkdoko: the arm build is still happily churning along? If that is fixed, I think we could tag 1ubuntu5 and hop it over to natty.18:49
* kenvandine isn't used to being upstream maintainer for indicator-me, neglected to review TheMuso's merge proposal18:49
pittikenvandine: should be fine; herewith approved :)18:49
kenvandineit is tiny18:49
dokoSweetshark: be patient, still running ...18:50
kenvandinepitti, how's a3 coming along?  having a better day today?18:50
pittinessita: wash, rinse, repeat (http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~apport-hackers/apport/trunk/view/head:/apport/report.py -> download)18:51
pittinessita: I now tested it with a synthetic 3 + "a" in the xorg hook18:51
Sweetsharkdoko: "still running" is Good(tm). "broken in an aweful way" is what I would not like to hear ;)18:51
pittiand it finally gives me the real exception18:51
pittikenvandine: oem-config is broken, otherwise it's looking ok18:51
kenvandinepitti, would it be disruptive to upload things?18:52
bryce_pitti, nessita, bug in the xorg apport hook?18:52
pittikenvandine: only really safe things, please18:52
kenvandinethere is a nasty gstreamer bug fixed in debian18:52
kenvandinei have a sync prepared for it18:52
pittibryce_: I think it's crashing with a TypeError somewhere, but due to a bug in apport it was hidden18:52
kenvandinefixed really crappy audio in empathy18:52
kenvandinebut can wait18:52
pittikenvandine: upload it tomorrow then18:53
kenvandinewill do18:53
pittikenvandine: before official release, but when we are sure that we don't need to respin18:53
pittiwe might need to for the oem thing18:53
kenvandineah, ok18:53
nessitapitti: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/574609/18:53
seb128kenvandine, you have a sync? shouldn't that be archive synced?18:53
pittinessita: hah! finally18:54
kenvandineseb128, i just prepared it with syncpackage18:54
bryce_sorry, my typo18:54
kenvandineseb128, for one i don't want the latest, necessarily18:54
kenvandineone version back from unstable18:54
kenvandinewith the fix from sjoerd, the latest he did some gir renaming or something18:55
kenvandineseb128, please let me know if there is an easier way :)18:55
pittibryce_: ah, swapped == and ); will you fix?18:55
pittinessita: cheers18:55
seb128kenvandine, no that's fine, it's just that if that if you want a sync ask here and we do it18:55
bryce_pitti, yep already done18:55
kenvandineseb128, so as an archive admin you can do it simpler?18:56
bryce_pitti, now's when I wish I had a test suite for my apport hook...18:56
seb128kenvandine, not simplet, just do it like that it's fine for the non current version18:56
nessitaok, I should get back to work18:56
seb128simpler rather18:56
kenvandineseb128, ok... but if i want the latest it is best to just ask :)18:57
pittibryce_: heh18:57
kenvandineyeah, i am scared of the latest :)18:57
mterrychrisccoulson, heyo, figured out the eog thing.  got a sec to talk about your https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/appmenu-gtk/lp718926/+merge/51504 merge?19:22
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chrisccoulsonmterry, sure19:26
chrisccoulsonhmmm, my computer desparately needs a go-faster button19:27
mterrychrisccoulson, so I discovered that if you take out the connect/disconnect changes in your patch, eog works again.   Was there a reason you changed when things get connected and disconnected?  Like, did old system not work for mapping?19:27
chrisccoulsoni was seeing unmap fire more than once, and causing a crash19:28
linuxlittlefirst of all, i love all the desktops (gnome,kde,xfce etc). but I want to build my own desktop, with minimal/custom tools i love to work with. how to do that, guide/help/link/.19:29
chrisccoulsonmeterry - also, the map signal was never getting connected for the top-level window in empathy19:29
mterrychrisccoulson, ok, with a particular app?19:29
mterrychrisccoulson, ok, will play with it19:29
chrisccoulsonso, connecting it in the unmap handler made it work :)19:29
mterrylinuxlittle, that's a big question.  This may not be the best place.19:29
chrisccoulsoni wish thunderbird built a little faster19:30
chrisccoulsonit takes longer than firefox :(19:30
chrisccoulson(which makes sense really)19:30
linuxlittleanyway, i like ubuntu, thanks for your efforts.19:37
Sweetsharkpitti: *grmbl* I did a broken upload of l10n 1ubuntu5 to my ppa (with a DISTREL=maverick control file, not a natty as it should have had). I deleted the l10n package in the ppa, re-debuild -S -sa and re-dputted, but got rejected because the *debian* tarball is different. Is this just a race condition because it takes some time to remove the tarballs or was the whole operation doomed from the start?19:52
pittiSweetshark: no, it doesn't help to remove packages from PPAs if you are reuploading19:53
pittiSweetshark: just bump it to ~ppa219:53
Sweetsharkpitti: k19:53
Sweetsharkhmm, help me understand that: ~ppa2 is < than plain, right?19:55
Sweetsharkwouldnt it be rejected because a newer version is in the ppa?19:56
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pittiSweetshark: ah, I thought you usually add ~ppa119:56
pittiSweetshark: right19:56
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pittiSweetshark: so you need to bump19:57
pittiSweetshark: we can upload the older version number to natty itself eventually19:57
Sweetsharkso I do an 1ubuntu5-ppa2 for the ppa (which we will upload as 1ubuntu5 plain to natty?)19:58
pittiSweetshark: not - please; 5ppa1 should do19:59
Sweetsharksorry for fubaring all the versioning. :(19:59
pittiSweetshark: '-' is special, it separtes upstream version from Debian revision19:59
Sweetsharkpitti: do should broken experiments have to stay in the changelog btw?20:02
pittiSweetshark: no, we usually clean up and summarize the changelogs once several PPA uploads to into one natty upload20:02
Sweetsharkpitti: k20:02
seb128mterry, when a bug is on the wrong component reassign it rather than closing the bug on the wrong one to add an extra one of the right component20:03
mterryseb128, one nice thing about leaving an invalid is it shows up in LP dup searches when filing though20:04
seb128mterry, launchpad bug or not but when you do that the subscribers to the component you invalidated the bug for keep receiving bug emails20:04
mterryseb128, fair...20:04
* Sweetshark will use ~ppaX for all ppa uploads.20:04
Sweetshark(except this one of course)20:04
mterryseb128, LP should note reassignments and include such bugs in LP searches for the original component (maybe)20:05
seb128mterry, right, it's not likely anyone will notice that "crashed with SIGSEGV in __libc_free()" is their issue out of the dupfinder20:05
mterryseb128, if it's the same title, sure!  that's how the dupfinder works, eh?  based on title20:05
seb128mterry, no, it matches the retraced stacktraces20:05
seb128on 3 or 5 functions (not sure now)20:06
seb128the signatures (i.e the list of the top functions of the stacktraces) are in a sqlite db20:06
mterryseb128, hmm.  Well, regardless, it doesn't work across components which is why I left the invalid. But point taken about mail spam.  I will reassign in future20:06
seb128the retracer works across components20:06
seb128it just search the signature in the db20:07
mterryseb128, retracer or dupfinder?20:07
seb128sorry, I mean apport retracing dupfinder20:07
seb128not the launchpad thing which list bugs which are similar to yours20:07
mterryseb128, hrm...  OK.  I was under the impression not.  And I'm not sure I've actually ever seen it do that20:08
mterryMust not have been paying attention20:08
seb128I might be wrong, pitti could confirm or not20:08
seb128mterry, both approch to the issue are valid, I tend to reassign to avoid spamming people who are subscribed the other component20:08
* mterry assumes that everyone has air-tight mail filters20:09
seb128in practice I've the feeling few people use check if similar bugs are reported for crashes20:09
seb128it might be less true for bug which have a description20:09
seb128but people tend to go "oh, apport, click click click, let the retracer do its thing"20:10
pittiseb128, mterry: dup finder works on crash signature identity; for signal crashes (SEGV, etc.) the signature is ExecutablePath plus first five stack trace function names20:10
pittiIOW, it ignores package names on bug reports20:10
seb128pitti, so it doesn't care if the bug got reassigned20:11
pitti'zactly (on purpose)20:11
pittibecause that happens quite often20:11
seb128great, thanks ;-)20:11
seb128that's what I though20:11
pittiif gedit crashes, and it's due to libgtk, we want to reassign it, but still dupe20:11
seb128mterry, something got screwed in your bug report btw20:12
seb128mterry, it will not be retraced20:12
seb128pitti, is there any recent apport issue which would leads bugs to not be tagged?20:12
seb128pitti, see bug #72797020:12
ubot2Launchpad bug 727970 in gedit "gedit crashed with SIGSEGV in __libc_free()" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72797020:12
pittiseb128: hm, not that I know of; might be a recent LP regression, of course20:13
mterryseb128, oh!  heh.  I may not have official version of appmenu-gtk....  ahem20:13
seb128mterry, it's rather that it didn't get tagged need-amd64-retrace20:13
seb128or apport-crash20:13
pittior apport-crash, or natty20:13
seb128or anything20:14
seb128mterry, I just tagged it for retracing20:14
seb128I hope we don't have a stack of recent bugs untagged and private20:14
mterryseb128, yeah, but since my appmenu-gtk is modified, not sure how useful that will be.  I'll try to reproduce later with official one20:14
seb128if they are not tagged the retracer will not see those nor will bug triagers20:14
pittiseb128: I reported my compiz crash about two hours ago, and it got tagged and retraced and dup'ed properly, though20:14
seb128pitti, ok20:14
pittiand apparently the retracers are busy, so it doesn't seem to affect all reports at least20:15
seb128mterry, weird, apport should have stopped you to report a bug against a non official version20:15
mterryseb128, how does it tell?  version or something deeper?  cause i didn't change version20:15
seb128mterry, well usually it tells you in the report if the md5 of files don't match the installed binary20:16
seb128but since you report on gedit it likely checked that binary20:16
seb128still it doesn't explain why the bug didn't get tagged20:16
mterrychrisccoulson, https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/appmenu-gtk/lp718926/+merge/5195120:21
mterrychrisccoulson, seems to work for me, would appreciate you giving it a few rounds20:22
seb128mterry, ok, the retracing failed indeed20:26
mterrywell, that makes sense20:26
mterrywill try with real appmenu20:27
seb128mterry, you can probably rebuild yours locally and use gdb on the dump to get a stacktrace20:27
seb128like copy a non stripped binary20:27
mterryseb128, yeah, but I've moved past that version too.  I was in the middle of debugging appmenu stuff20:27
seb128ok, I've to run but I will be back online a bit later, see you20:29
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pittigoodnight everyone21:19
seb128'night pitti21:23
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thisfredquick question: can I set launcher entries to 'urgent' from python yet? (i.e. make them draw attention to themselves by shaking, or whatnot?)22:10
RAOFthisfred: Yes; exactly the same way as for other systems.22:11
RAOFThat's not unity-specific.22:12
thisfredRAOF: and if we assume I don't know how to do it for other systems? :D22:12
* thisfred is new to the desktop side of things22:12
dobeyRAOF: there isn't a way to do it without opening a window?22:12
dobeyRAOF: in unity that is. i thought there was going to be22:13
RAOFdobey: Hm, there might be I guess.22:13
thisfred(in this case, opening a window is what I want to do anyway, so that's not a problem)22:13
RAOFOh, then just open a window and try to raise it and it'll get marked as needs-attention.22:14
dobeythisfred: you might get more info in the dx or ayatana channel on the subject of unity development22:14
thisfredok, thx22:14
dobeyRAOF: well, except he doesn't want to raise it. he wants it to pop up under anything else that might be open22:15
thisfredwell, I want to do whatever the update-manager does22:15
RAOFThe focus-stealing prevention will (or should) handle that.22:15
dobeywe really shouldn't do what the update manager is doing, but eh22:16
dobeyafaik, update-manager only does that when there are security updates, no?22:16
RAOFYou could also set the needs-attention bit yourself, rather than assuming compiz will morph a raise request into needs-attention.22:17
RAOFhttp://standards.freedesktop.org/wm-spec/wm-spec-latest.html#id2551694 is the raw X way; gtk almost certainly has a way of setting the DEMANDS_ATTENTION bit on windows.22:17
dobeyi am pretty sure GtkWindow has api for that22:18
RAOFI'd be *amazed* if it didn't.22:20
dobeywell, it's gtk. i am amazed at some things it *does* have22:22
dobeykenvandine: hey, just proposed https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntu/natty/banshee/u1ms-links/+merge/5198223:22
dobeyah well, i am off for now. later23:24

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