=== broder_ is now known as broder === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === AndrewMC is now known as SpockVulcan === doko__ is now known as doko === SpockVulcan is now known as AndrewMC [05:37] while waiting Full Circle Magazine: http://fullcirclemagazine.org/issue-46/ [05:37] Direct: http://dl.fullcirclemagazine.org/issue46_en.pdf === jjohansen is now known as jj-afk === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha === RoAkSoAx is now known as andreserl [16:02] no Robbie today? [16:03] no [16:03] bah, slacker :) [16:04] #startmeeting [16:04] Meeting started at 10:04. The chair is cjwatson. [16:04] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [16:04] ok, who's here? [16:05] o/ [16:05] o/ [16:05] hello [16:05] hi [16:06] o/ [16:06] doko: around? [16:06] here [16:07] great, so everyone except Robbie [16:07] [TOPIC] Lightning round [16:07] New Topic: Lightning round [16:07] done: biosdevname packaging and integration; fixing bugs for alpha-3, including most of a day spent tracking down bug 723482 [16:07] Launchpad bug 723482 in alsa-utils (Ubuntu) "system hangs on boot after updates from 2011-02-22" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/723482 [16:07] todo: more bugs arising from multiarch dpkg; lots of beta-1 bugs to beat on [16:07] -- [16:07] in order of showing up in my client, then :) [16:07] barry: [16:07] short week due to usa holiday; python-keyring, launchpadlib bug fixing, upgrades; reviewed some branches; claws bugs 724414 724416; ubuntu dev guide/udd updates; helped #ubuntu-touch w/python issues; python hg experimentation; mm3 refactoring; udd class presented; dh_python2 and flufl.enum; done. [16:07] Launchpad bug 724414 in claws-mail (Ubuntu) "Configure menu is disabled" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/724414 [16:08] ev: [16:08] that one was caused by some weird brokenness in an early maverick->natty upgrade (which i never did track down) [16:08] bug 724416 is the one that's kicking my butt now [16:08] Launchpad bug 724416 in claws-mail (Ubuntu) "Claws appends sent message to Sent folder twice" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/724416 [16:09] Getting the partitioner redesign and upgrade/reinstall stuff ready for alpha 3. Fixing bugs. (Apologies for the terseness, on an iPad) [16:09] Done [16:09] upgrade/reinstall: \o/ [16:10] mvo: [16:10] rnr-server: [16:10] review branch reviews [16:10] land lp:~mvo/rnr-server/retrieve-by-id [16:10] propose lp:~mvo/rnr-server/make-port-configurable, [16:10] propose lp:~mvo/rnr-server/validate-token-without-ubuntu-sso [16:10] software-center: [16:10] add weblive prototype (with stgraber), fix crash after new review is entered, lp:~gary-lasker/software-center/deauthorize-my-computer, work on lp:~mvo/software-center/appstore-experiment but not successful (keeps hanging in odd places), branch review/merges [16:10] Thanks so much for your help with that. I'll get to your emails just as soon as I have more of a computer in front of me. [16:10] Update-manager: [16:10] review/merge lp:~thibault-lemaitre/ubuntu/natty/update-manager/from_pkg.isInstalled_to_pkg.is_installed [16:10] work on 3g roaming detection (based on Alex Chiang patch) [16:10] (done) [16:10] ev: no worries [16:11] 3 of the 4 main Upstart feature branches for Natty are now "in the [16:11] wild". Finished check-config Upstart feature along with all tests for [16:11] visualisation work: branch just needs merging to be ready for early next [16:11] week. Have digested + documented socket bridge for Upstart for Natty [16:11] code drop 2. Currently working on Keybuks session branch, and merging [16:11] visualisation code into Ubuntu branch. Updated FFE bug 723846 with [16:11] Launchpad bug 723846 in upstart (Ubuntu Natty) "Feature Freeze Exception request for Upstart in Natty" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/723846 [16:11] progress. [16:11] EOT [16:11] csurbhi1: [16:11] Introduced timer in mountall to wait for ROOTDELAY time for device to be configured by udev. [16:11] Created, tested upstart jobs to start the recovery process if the ROOTDELAY time expires. [16:11] Created, tested upstart jobs to run the initramfs :: init_top and initramfs :: init_premount scripts [16:11] Experimented with udev attributes in upstart jobs (waiting for device configuration in real systems outside initramfs) [16:11] DONE [16:11] doko: [16:11] bootstrap work, libreoffice mentoring, libreoffice build fixes for two archs, looking into openjdk-6 build failures, need to fix more ... [16:11] -- [16:11] excellent, thank you. is anyone blocked on anything? [16:11] http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20110125-natty.html [16:11] LINK received: http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20110125-natty.html [16:12] not as such, but I'm waiting for a new staging.reviews.ubuntu.com deployment [16:12] is that in RT? [16:12] yeah [16:12] the review-userfulness feature is hidden until this lands [16:12] I think the ones in main should be looked at, but maybe this can wait next week's rebuild test [16:12] ah, 44261? [16:13] hold on a sec, need to find it in my inbox [16:13] doko: I've already filed bugs about at least gluezilla and linphone [16:13] #44197 [16:13] I'll have a look at syslinux [16:13] uploads should probably wait until after alpha-2 now though [16:14] my latex knowledge seems to be rusty, can't see the reason for the srtp build failure [16:15] doko: What's the timeline on getting Bug #705689 fixed? [16:15] Launchpad bug 705689 in Linaro GCC 4.5 "Qt applications crash with segfault error on armel when Qt is built with gcc 4.5 on natty" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/705689 [16:15] oh, goodness, that syslinux bug, I sent that upstream - I'll have to go and check [16:15] [TOPIC] AOB [16:15] New Topic: AOB [16:15] (since we've drifted and I don't have anything else specific) [16:15] I think we're going to start building all of KDE with gcc4.4 in the meantime if it's not fixed soon. [16:17] there's a patch in comment 30 on that bug; I don't know if it's just for qgesturemanager, or fixes everything [16:17] ScottK: no [16:17] not targeted for any milestone [16:17] I don't see it yet in the linaro branch [16:18] It was targetted to Alpha 3 until a day or two ago. [16:19] doko: the xscreensaver one looks like its actually a bug while instlaling console-setup - how to get stuff off that list in those cases? [16:19] mvo: well, that's still a bug, just not in xscreensaver ... [16:19] so I need to work on that [16:21] it's not targeted at all, hmm pitti ... [16:21] should probably be beta-1, IMO [16:22] looks like this will be part of gcc-4.5 2011-03 [16:22] When does that land? [16:23] in 03 [16:24] lets move on, addressing this on #u-r [16:24] OK, I don't think there's anything else anyway, from the looks of things [16:24] mvo: I'm asking Chipaca if he's already escalated that RT or if I need to [16:24] any other business? going once ... [16:24] going twice ... [16:25] cjwatson: getting a ETA would be nice [16:25] mvo: OK, I'll try to extract that from somebody [16:25] ... gone. thanks all. [16:25] #endmeeting [16:25] Meeting finished at 10:25. [16:25] Thanks [16:26] thanks! [16:27] meetings are shorter without robbie ;) [16:27] cheers [16:27] * cjwatson has a low tolerance for long meetings [16:28] thnkas! === jj-afk is now known as jjohansen === andreserl is now known as RoAkSoAx === ivanka is now known as ivanka-train === ogra is now known as Guest42737 === Guest42737 is now known as ogra_ === debfx_ is now known as debfx === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-food === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde [21:01] #startmeeting [21:01] Meeting started at 15:01. The chair is barry. [21:01] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [21:01] hi everyone and welcome to this week's ubuntu distributed development steering committee meeting. all are welcome to join in [21:01] [TOPIC] agenda [21:01] New Topic: agenda [21:01] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment/20110302 [21:01] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment/20110302 [21:01] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment/20110302 [21:02] we're going to wait a few minutes until poolie arrives [21:02] who else is here today? [21:02] me! [21:03] Hi Barry [21:03] hi jelmer. great to have you here [21:04] barry: did you see poolie's email? [21:04] g'morning Ian [21:04] jelmer: yep, he said he'd be 15m late. we can wait === wallyworld___ is now known as wallyworld [21:05] if he's any longer, we'll start. so folks, hang out until 2115 utc [21:16] okay, hopefully poolie will be along soon. i guess we should get started though [21:16] [TOPIC] action items [21:16] New Topic: action items [21:16] most of these are poolie's but please chime in if you know the status of them [21:16] * poolie to advertise udd projects to non-staff contributors [21:16] i believe this is done [21:17] * poolie to integrate jml's feedback into lep [21:17] anybody know anything about this one? [21:17] I don't think I've seen anything about the first item [21:18] oh, maybe i'm just thinking about the internal email [21:18] * poolie to meet with allison re lep [21:18] * poolie to meet with robbiew re lep [21:19] know anything about these? [21:19] I think the second item happened, or at least something about it happened. [21:19] i don't know what these leps are about. do you know? [21:19] ah [21:20] it's https://dev.launchpad.net/LEP/BuildFromBranchIntoPrimary [21:20] ah, cool. yep, i've been following that one [21:20] the LEP mentions Allison read it [21:21] cool, thanks [21:21] * jam to propose/report plan for quilt imports [21:21] jam doesn't appear to be around [21:21] he's in a different timezone now :) [21:22] yeah, I guess something went wrong there :) [21:22] * barry is particularly interested in this one [21:22] james_w: ping [21:22] hi [21:22] barry: I've been working on getting daily builds of GNOME packages based on the upstream imports and the ubuntu-desktop packaging branches [21:22] sorry I am late [21:23] barry: I'm slowly starting to realise what an awesome feature properly working looms would be [21:23] :) [21:24] jelmer: do you think looms<->quilts makes sense? [21:24] barry: Yes; I think we should fix looms where it doesn't make sense [21:25] very cool [21:25] * poolie forward/link to https://wiki.linaro.org/Platform/DevPlatform/ComponentReleasesWithBzr [21:25] [21:26] i guess w/o poolie we should move on [21:26] [TOPIC] Package importer progress [21:26] New Topic: Package importer progress [21:26] james_w and/or jelmer ? [21:26] Vincent and John fixed a lot of things in the importer [21:27] vila has done some good work cleaning up the code and making it more robust [21:27] there were also some bugs fixed that were causing import failures [21:27] poolie did forward that link to ubuntu-devel, so maybe that's done? [21:27] there's a bzr bug that spiv has a branch for that is affecting quite a few imports [21:27] slangasek: i do seem to remember it as well [21:27] in fact it occurs when there is a collision detected [21:28] and we had our first (known) real live one of those yesterday [21:28] james_w: what kind of collision do you mean? [21:28] hi all [21:28] so the crash indicates it would have done the right thing, but it was a shame not to see it work out :-) [21:28] 'morning poolie [21:28] someone pushed to the branch at the same time someone else uploaded [21:28] so the archive and the branch disagreed [21:28] hi poolie [21:29] hi poolie [21:29] gotcha [21:29] james_w: is this a collision that only occurs when the upload and push both happen within a certain rescan interval? Because we've certainly had collisions of the more general kind before [21:30] poolie: we ran through the action items already, but since most of them are assigned to you, can you catch us up in a few minutes? [21:31] slangasek, you mean two people uploading, or collisions involving UDD? [21:31] perhaps collision isn't the best name for this situation [21:31] james_w: one person committing to the UDD branch, followed by someone ignoring the branch and uploading [21:31] sure [21:31] slangasek, right, that's the same situation [21:32] james_w: ok, so yesterday is definitely not the first time this has happened, but maybe there's a new bug in bzr that's entangled here :) [21:32] slangasek, ok, it was the first confirmed one that I could remember :-) [21:32] oh, sorry [21:32] didn't know you wanted me to yell when it happens :-) [21:33] james_w: any summary on how we're doing for package imports? # or % fewer failures now? how many still failing? [21:33] slangasek, nope, it's supposed to be taken care of automatically. This time it was just that people weren't sure what would happen, and so asked me to take a look [21:34] there are numbers and graphs on http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/ [21:34] you can see that there has been a downward trend since the start of the year [21:35] a number of the current import failures are cases where I know there's been divergence between UDD and archive, followed by a manual fix-up on the branch [21:35] that's really fantastic [21:35] how can we reconcile those so they're not shown as failures? [21:36] (see, this has been going on for quite a while, and I thought I was doing good by updating the branches by hand ;) [21:36] slangasek, do you have an example? [21:36] james_w: sure, one sec [21:36] james_w: qemu-linaro [21:36] also, armel-cross-toolchain-base cdbs gcc-4.5-armel-cross plymouth [21:37] ok, that needs an importer admin to check and tell the importer that the situation is fine, and it should carry on [21:37] how best do I raise this (outside of the present meeting, that is?) [21:37] I think the one time I tried to raise it on #is, I had bad timing due to the importer being offline right after squeeze release :) [21:38] a bug on udd would be appropriate I think [21:38] ok [21:38] the procedure is documented on the wiki if you ask an admin and they don't know how to do it [21:39] just what issue is "this"? [21:40] that someone messed with the branches, and the importer currently keeps an audit log and complains when that happens [21:40] ok [21:42] if now's a good time, poolie can you catch us up on the action items? [21:42] sure [21:42] so, we had a big thread about udd, with some feedback about the lep [21:42] i still need to fold that in [21:42] i spoke to allison about it; not yet to robbie [21:43] i was going to update it and then talk to him [21:43] i did forward a link to poolie forward/link to https://wiki.linaro.org/Platform/DevPlatform/ComponentReleasesWithBzr in to the packaging doc thread [21:44] did you advertise the udd projects to non-staff? [21:44] not as such, only through discussion on the u-d list [21:44] what would be a good way to do that? [21:45] other than also on the bzr mlists? i don't know [21:45] perhaps we should can that [21:45] cool. i can leave that one un-done [21:45] i think on the whole it's better to just be open about what we're doing and have easy tasks for people to begin on if they want [21:46] yep [21:46] poolie: do you know anything about jam's progress/plan for quilt imports? [21:46] also, i spoke to flacoste and jml about scheduling work on the lep [21:47] which is the main thing we have to do next === Ursinha-food is now known as Ursinha [21:47] it's not a very large amount of work, but it's not trivial [21:47] s/on the lep/on building source packages directly from branches without recipes [21:47] at the moment it looks like it is second in the queue for new tasks to start [21:48] after finishing disclosure management (aka privacy, acls, etc) [21:48] makes sense [21:48] that one is highly desired by canonical oem teams, and still half-done [21:49] [action] poolie talk to stakeholders about bfbip scheduling [21:49] [action] poolie talk to stakeholders about bfbip scheduling [21:49] ACTION received: poolie talk to stakeholders about bfbip scheduling [21:49] we could possibly try it ourselves inside the bzr team, but i think on the whole it's better to wait for an lp squad [21:50] if they don't take it at that time, perhaps we will [21:50] regarding jam and looms: he's moving house so a bit distracted [21:50] i have seen some work by jelmer and others on looms recently [21:51] poolie: thanks. any other news on action items? [21:51] the plan on quilts is basically to turn the into looms [21:51] i think that's the full list? [21:52] * poolie looks in old minutes [21:53] our kanban is now at and should be updated every 30m [21:53] were there other actions for me? [21:53] otherwise perahps we should look at hot bugs [21:54] poolie: yes, let's look at bugs [21:54] [TOPIC] hot bugs [21:54] New Topic: hot bugs [21:54] http://people.canonical.com/~mbp/kanban/canonical-bazaar-kanban.html [21:54] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~mbp/kanban/canonical-bazaar-kanban.html [21:54] poolie: the floor is yours [21:55] just looking over that board [21:55] one change in the last week is that vila landed a new controller infrastructure into the package importer, which is supposed to make it more reliable [21:55] it closed some bugs, anyhow [21:56] as of approximately today, we're moving the package importer to its new hardware, and making it sysadmin-maintained [21:56] jelmer is working on foreign branch bugs, and on infrastructure to allow testing them [21:58] nice! [21:58] are there any bugs people would like attention to? [21:59] i don't remember the bug number, but the one about warning when branching a package that has import failures. [22:00] barry, , it's on the short list [22:00] thanks for the vote [22:00] Ubuntu bug 609187 in Ubuntu Distributed Development "bzr branch lp:ubuntu/foo should warn when foo is out of date" [High,Triaged] [22:00] yep, thanks! [22:01] anyone have anything else for bugs of interest? [22:01] ok, next item? [22:01] [TOPIC] * Any other business? [22:01] [22:01] New Topic: * Any other business? [22:02] going once... [22:02] for next time: we should schedule some uds sessions [22:03] oh, i should mention: i did an intro to udd class on monday during ubuntu developer week. it was very well received. but 1h is not enough time to cover everything ;) [22:03] oh, great! [22:03] thanks for that [22:03] yeah, thanks [22:03] I have a request I wanted to raise but I'm currently suffering contention, so I'll just file a bug against udd for now [22:03] np [22:03] k [22:04] actually, can you give me an item to prepare for uds? [22:04] i think just something like a tutorial session and a planning session [22:04] jelmer and i will be there [22:04] [action] poolie to prepare udd sessions for uds [22:04] ACTION received: poolie to prepare udd sessions for uds [22:04] [action] poolie to prepare udd sessions for uds-o [22:04] ACTION received: poolie to prepare udd sessions for uds-o [22:04] excellent. i'll be there too [22:05] i guess the only other thing i have today is to remind folks that we won't have another meeting until 2011-03-23 because of pycon [22:05] oh, ok [22:06] well, unless you want to chair it? [22:06] (on the 16th) [22:06] i think the 23rd is fine [22:06] shall we then continue every 2nd week from then? [22:06] yep [22:06] poolie: i think you are the keeper of the google calendar. can you update that? [22:07] can I be added to the google calendar? [22:08] done and done [22:08] poolie: awesome, thanks [22:08] if there's nothing else for today... [22:08] 5 [22:08] 4 [22:08] 3 [22:09] 2 [22:09] 1 [22:09] #endmeeting [22:09] Meeting finished at 16:09. [22:09] have a good night everyone [22:09] thanks everyone! see you in atlanta, or in 3 weeks here [22:10] thanks [22:10] g'night [22:11] night