[00:11] Guys - who's the ubuntu laptop reseller in the UK ? [00:14] and 2) Can I get ubuntu on a macbook pro? [00:15] popey has Ubuntu on a MacBook, might not be a Pro [00:16] ok, I'll ping him in the morning. [00:17] there's a whole chunk of good reading too, at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro [00:18] thanks [00:20] (8,1 is the current model, and mostly undocumented thanks to being a week old. it gets wildly more successful as you go back a model or two tho) [00:22] looks a little complicated. Are there many OSS programs that don't compile on the OSX (me is thinking, eclipse, vim, subclipse, perl, python, android developer tools) [00:29] andylockran: I use all of those almost every week, if not day [00:29] I've struggled with larger packages (trying to build evolution was a week of misery). but most of those aren't a problem [00:30] Yeah, that's more or less my toolkit [00:30] thunderbird for email [00:30] but if eclipse compiles, i'm guessing I shouldn't have problems with eclipse extensions? [00:31] ah, and Open/LibreOfice [00:32] yeah, that looks schweet then [00:32] right - so tomorrow I walk into the office and suggest they buy me a macbook pro [00:32] negiotiation will last 30 minutes before I get told no I'm guessing. [00:32] but hey ho.. worth a go :0 [00:33] subclipse I've never heard of. the rest of those are good to go tho. eclipse & LO have osx builds available, python/perl/vim/etc are installed out of the box [00:35] well here hoping it goes well tomorrow [00:35] and now I shall sleep.. night all! [00:54] heh http://www.ndftz.com/nickelanddime.png [00:59] lolz [00:59] like the fineprint [01:00] what does "subjective transparency" mean? [01:01] also, what if banshee devs put up a ppa restoring the referal link? what then? [01:01] war, I guess. [01:01] i mean, then i could pick and choose [01:01] not that i buy mp3s, or anything from amazon ever again [01:03] again? ;/ [01:07] yeah i cancelled my amazon account at the same time i cancelled my paypal account [01:16] ali1234, then I guess you could install that and use that instead. [04:34] hi [04:34] have I missed much today? [05:34] gord: just curious in terms of the unity dash, is scrolling with the scroll wheel considered a bug or a wishlist item? (bug #721447) [05:34] Launchpad bug 721447 in unity (Ubuntu) "Unable to scroll in Applications/Files and Folders Place using mouse wheel" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/721447 [06:54] What's the usual mobile broadband standard in the UK these days? UMTS? LTE? [06:56] UMTS + HSPA [06:56] (HSDPA/HSUPA) [06:56] * ball goes to look up HSPA [06:56] with fallback to GPRS/EDGE (same as everywhere in Europe really ;)) [06:56] ball: HSPA is an extension to the UMTS protocol that allows for more speed [06:57] * ball ponders [06:58] Does UMTS cost more than EDGE, or is it just a case of 'pay for data and you get what you can'? [06:59] I'm not in the UK, but here in the Netherlands all "data plans" are for a given number of megabytes, regardless of tech used [06:59] and you get EDGE if you go outside of UMTS coverage [07:00] (or GPRS if you're not on Voda) [07:00] MartijnVdS: No "unlimited" data plans? [07:00] ball: they call them unlimited, but they never really are [07:01] MartijnVdS: soft or hard cap? Do they cut you off or just throttle you back? [07:02] where I work, we throttle people back, and only cut them off if they're repeat "offenders" [07:03] you know.. I think most operators do that for "unlimited" plans [07:03] MartijnVdS: Is that based purely on how much data they're throwing around, or is the decision influenced by the /type/ of data? [07:03] which is why they aren't offering too many of those anymore (get our 500MB plan, so we can charge you for every MB more) [07:04] where I work it's amount [07:04] other operators -> not transparent [07:04] * ball nods [07:04] supposedly only the amount, but they have weird rules like "you can't connect your laptop" or "no VOIP" [07:04] Data is one of the few things that makes me interested in sticking with the operator I have now. [07:06] I have an old-style "unlimited for €7,50/month" plan that I like :) [07:06] ...that and the fact I can use a WiFi LAN as though it were a tower. [07:06] how do you do that then? [07:08] MartijnVdS: Only works with certain handsets (primarily Nokia) but you tell the phone about a wireless LAN (SSID, encryption and password) and the phone magically detects and uses it whenever you're within range. [07:09] ah SIP [07:09] I can use that.. but it uses a different number [07:09] which is annoying :) [07:09] It uses SIP? [07:09] well.. that's the only "wifi calling" option my phones have offered [07:10] MartijnVdS: This works with my existing number and is seamless. [07:10] MartijnVdS: incomming calls come through the WiFi too. [07:10] SMS and "mobile Web" [07:10] Does anyone know about Western Digital Caviar Green hard drives disappearing from the file system under linux? [07:10] and this works on any LAN? [07:11] mindlore: drives disappearing usually means they're flaking out (check the kernel log in /var/log/kern.log) [07:11] MartijnVdS: Yes. [07:11] MartijnVdS: ...seems to. [07:11] ball: then it has to be SIP or some related protocol [07:11] and it means our (EU) operators suck :) [07:11] What kind of UMTS/EDGE adaptor works with Ubuntu? [07:12] ball: Lots.. some might need more tweaking than others thoguh [07:12] though* [07:12] morning all [07:12] MartijnVdS, I would do, but I reinstalled. Noted for next time. It passes a full SMART test though. [07:12] \o AlanBell [07:12] mindlore: SMART is only an indication, not 100% proof :) [07:12] ball: My laptop's built-in Gobi 2000 was fiddly to get to work, but now it's fine [07:13] I'm considering mobile broadband if my cable company can't get its act together. [07:13] ball: most USB sticks work fine (though they might need a poke with usb_modeswitch to switch them from "driver installer fake-CD-ROM"-mode to "modem mode" [07:14] ball: (this is all automatic if you have the right packages installed, of course) [07:14] MartijnVdS, Ok, thanks. The reason I ask about the WDC Green drives in particular was because I read something about them going into a low power sleep mode and not waking up in time, causing a the sata driver to assume the drive was no longer there. Any ideas about that? [07:14] MartijnVdS: I may try it with some of the local mobile broadband adaptors if I can borrow some at work. [07:15] mindlore: no idea, don't have a drive like that so never had the problem [07:15] ball: network-manager will pop up asking to configure it, it's really neat :) [07:15] MartijnVdS, Ok. Thank you. If it is the drive flaking out, what do I look for in the kernel log? [07:16] I'll ask the mobile phone chaps whether I can borrow one during lunch break. [07:17] If I can make it work with the laptop, I may be able to get by with the old desktop. [07:18] mindlore: messages about ATA/SATA :) it'll be obvious [07:18] ball: "Ye Olde Desktoppe" [07:18] MartijnVdS, Ok, thanks. I hoped it would be. :) [07:19] I think I need to sleep on it. [07:19] Goodnight everyone. [07:19] \o ball [07:20] MartijnVdS: Thanks for the information, it was very helpful. [07:20] I'm looking in the kernel log now, and I've got some ATA bus errors. Is that normal/acceptable? [07:20] mindlore: not really [07:23] All the errors are in relation to the WDC Green drive. Does it look like I need to return that drive? [07:24] Actually, my DVD is getting them too. Unless I'm reading it wrong. [07:24] might be your controller flaking out then [07:25] or just a few loose cables [07:25] Just to be clear: The controller on the mobo? [07:25] Ah. Optimism. :) [07:26] mindlore: check the cables and PSU first -- the PSU might also providing a voltage that's too low [07:26] and yes, the controller is part of the mono [07:26] mobo [07:28] What would I do if the voltage is too low? [07:28] get a new PSU [07:28] Oh. :( [07:28] but it might be hard to figure out if this is the case (unless you're good with wires and a multimeter) [07:29] It's been a while since I've used one of those. ;) [07:30] My other HDD doesn't get any errors though. A good sign? [07:32] For the controller, I mean? [07:32] could be [07:32] I'd start with checking the connections then :) [07:34] Right, so: Check connections, check voltage, or failing those return mobo. Sound about right? [07:36] check if your current "root" disk fails on those ports as well [07:37] or a spare sacrificial disk [07:37] By simply swapping the cables over? [07:37] or that [07:38] don't write to your currently working root disk on a suspected dodgy controller [07:38] AlanBell, wise words. Ok, thanks. [07:44] Right, you've been a big help. Thank you. I'll get to those things later today. Now though, I've got to go, the kids are up and demanding breakfast. ;) [08:13] friends, romans, countryman [08:13] (wait, i'm american!) [08:13] Morning all [08:13] s/man/men/ [08:13] sweetbear: Flying, beaches, bridges. [08:13] that's what they are into in the uk [08:14] hm. [08:14] initself: OK, you're American, we've done waiting, continue. [08:15] initself: they're already making fun of you... [08:15] you too, sweetheart! [08:15] these's brits think their so cheeky [08:15] morning all [08:15] they're [08:15] GOOD EVENING, AlanBell! [08:15] The party is just getting started over here! [08:16] initself: you mean morning has just started [08:16] PARTY BABY [08:17] CAPS LOCK. [08:17] you can't celebrate without CAPS LOCK. [08:17] jpds: you're funny [08:17] sweetbear: Thank you. [08:20] ^____o [08:21] so, dude, the uk is just hacking hardcore on ubuntu tonight, eh? [08:21] todya [08:21] whatever, time is so relative [08:21] I wonder, does linode supply each vps with their own ip [08:21] or is there some bundling going on [08:21] Myrtti: it is ok, sweetbear and initself are sat next to each other [08:21] I believe yes is the answer to that. [08:22] put the EMP cannon down [08:22] AlanBell: I'll get me popcorn [08:22] * initself hopes that our baby does not wake. [08:22] * AlanBell is off out to talk open source to a customer [08:22] laters all [08:22] \o [08:22] initself: if the baby is up it's your turn to change her [08:23] Myrtti: The former. [08:30] mornin [08:45] http://www.good.is/post/office-parks-are-worse-than-suburban-sprawl/ [08:50] hello all [08:50] Morning [09:03] Mornin all [09:06] morning [09:40] Winful speed test :D [09:40] http://www.speedtest.net/result/1180789498.png [09:50] morning :) [09:53] o/ [09:54] hi daubers :) [09:55] Getting any less manic for you? [09:57] this morning's reading... http://i.imgur.com/7fdzK.jpg [10:02] morning all! [10:02] morning alan [10:02] \o popey [10:02] how was uupc live? [10:03] screen-x: it was great fun to make [10:03] no idea what it was like to listen to :D [10:04] Good morning, everyone. :) [10:04] popey: glad it was fun :) [10:04] popey: I'm looking forward to listening to it later... [10:04] I wonder which will be released first, the ipad or S04E01.. [10:05] morning JamesTait :) [10:05] * screen-x opens lunch, then puts it away again, its only 10:05 [10:07] popey, it sounded really good, almost too good. I reckon it was pre-recorded and the liveness was all an elaborate scam ;) [10:09] Postie didn't deliver my graze box today :'( [10:10] bigcalm: :( [10:10] * bigcalm wants his nibbles [10:10] Hi Pendulum :) [10:10] hi bigcalm [10:11] I forget that you live in a large country [10:11] ? [10:12] In the UK 1 maybe 2 lorries would be all it takes to deliver a package [10:12] heh [10:13] Well, it's on its way to CT now [10:13] actually, it apparently is at the other end of CT now. But that still means it probably won't be here until tomorrow (because it's going to get sorted at least once more) [10:13] Indeed [10:14] kazade: haha! [10:18] Pendulum: I'm trying to work out what the shipping cost might be from there to here. I must be doing something wrong as UPS is saying over 100USD [10:18] hey biggie [10:18] Hi hoover_ === hoover_ is now known as hoover [10:21] bigcalm: I'll probably express mail it so it'll be somewhere around $50 US (if I"m calculating correctly, I had to guess at box dimensions so it might be cheaper) [10:21] Ok, thanks :) [10:22] Do you need to wrap it in birthday wrapping paper to make it look like a gift? ;) [10:23] nope :) [10:23] morning..any docky users in here? === commander`Faggot is now known as UUUUUk [10:30] o.O [10:31] ^_^ [10:34] o_O [10:47] hi folks [10:48] hi [10:48] if anyone near Maidenhead is looking for a linux sysadmin position, feel free to message me, as a friend of mine is looking for someone with at least 2 years experience [10:48] o/ yay [10:50] Maidenhead ayy? BlueSquare? [10:50] Slash poundhost/rapidswitch [10:51] Thrust VPS, Tommeh. [10:52] They used to use bluesquare, though. [10:53] Ahh [10:53] dwatkins: do they co-lo elsewhere now? [10:53] Tommeh: I'm not sure, have asked the question. [10:55] Tommeh: totally separate company [10:59] I realise Bluesquare != Thrust VPS [10:59] Or do you mean they co-lo with a totally separate facility now? [11:00] Though on their website it does say they have access to five separate facilities.. [11:01] morning all [11:01] dwatkins: this one? - http://www.thrustvps.com/blog/ [11:01] morning [11:01] davmor2: HazRPG morning [11:02] yeah MooDoo [11:02] morning MooDoo dude :) [11:02] Tommeh: I don't know, I can ask. [11:02] morning MooDoo I thought you were on lates [11:03] davmor2: got out of it, swapped shifts, working the weekends for the next two weeks now [11:03] dwatkins: I wouldn't worry :) [11:03] I'm just nosey [11:04] Any one near Hereford? [11:04] MooDoo: and that's better how? [11:05] davmor2: finish at 5:30 as apposed to midnight [11:05] davmor2: it's easier on the wife :) [11:16] MooDoo: depends what you mean by near, I'm about an hour away from Hereford. [11:17] screen-x: oh i was just thinking about an opensource event that's happening in march [11:17] What sort of event? [11:18] Some sort of rebel oggcamp offshoot? [11:19] http://www.herefordshire.lug.org.uk/node/63 [11:19] * screen-x reads [11:20] I'm in chichester that day, otherwise could have popped in.. [11:20] * bigcalm spies Drupal and runs away screaming [11:21] bigcalm: a definate case of defaultthemeitus [11:21] quick question [11:22] Shoot [11:22] Myrtti: too slow [11:22] what package should I install to enable British English spellcheck in OO.o? [11:22] Pass [11:22] Too cold, going to get the fan heater [11:22] Brrrr [11:23] openoffice.org-l10n-en-gb at a guess [11:23] doh [11:24] * Myrtti facepalms [11:24] Myrtti: I haven't confirmed that that contains spelling dictionaries.. just looked likely [11:25] well, it's a lot better than the ukrainian packages I looked at [11:25] haha [11:28] Ehe [11:28] Hehe [11:29] yes, I need more coffee [11:30] * bigcalm hugs his fresh cupa of tea [11:30] hmmm tea [11:53] has just found GroundControl [11:53] seems pretty snazzy! [11:58] Major Tom? [11:59] HazRPG, ? [11:59] directhex: As it says in the description "launchpad for your desktop" [11:59] well, launchpad for nautilus [12:00] my desktop is going to stay firmly on the floor [12:00] basically a gui version of bzr and launchpad for nautilus... [12:00] dutchie: exactly :) [12:07] * MartijnVdS wants a Xoom :( [12:12] MartijnVdS: What's a Xoom? [12:13] HazRPG: Tablet, Motorola, Android (Gingerbread) [12:13] oh was the the tablet shown at ICS? [12:14] HazRPG: I think so, yes [12:14] it's the one where you buy it and later send it back to motorola for them to enable all the features they promised ;) [12:15] Ng: only in the US (LTE).. we get 3G [12:15] but I want the wifi-only model.. 3G only costs a lot of money [12:15] ah so then the future updates to enable all of the promised features can just be applied at home! [12:15] yes :) [12:17] MartijnVdS: Honeycomb! [12:18] http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Motorola-Xoom-Teardown/4989 [12:21] * Ng can't help but wonder if all the "err, we'll enable that later" stuff is them desparately rushing to have it in stores before ipad2 is announced today ;) [12:22] Ng: probably, yes [12:22] especially in the US [12:22] and looking at the leaked ipad 2 specs: it has (almost) the same CPU as the Xoom [12:22] so it's in the same "class" [12:25] they are using tegra? [12:26] gord: Just at the point reading so Nvidia Tegra T2 dual-core ARM Cortex-A9 CPU and ultra-low power GeForce GPU. [12:26] no i mean the ipad2 [12:26] ah [12:26] if it ain't using tegra, it ain't in the same class [12:26] gord: tegra for ipad2 is unlikely, but unknown [12:27] tegra gpus are amazing [12:27] apple have their own arm license [12:27] they won't use tegra [12:27] SGX543 seems to be the leading contender in the rumours [12:28] tegra cpus are pretty great too thought, really impressed with the speed on them [12:29] these things are all much of a muchness, and it's not the detailed technical specs that sell them to people [12:30] sure, but its interesting to us nerds :) [12:31] hehe [12:31] hopefully enough UX love will go into android and webOS that they can properly compete as tablets and maybe even drive some innovation of their own [12:31] and unity, obviously :) [12:33] i have absolutely zero interest in webOS, i don't think google does even... but android honeycomb looks nice [12:33] the past month or so, the quality of android apps has gone through the roof too [12:33] still not sold on getting an android tablet before there is a nexus-tablet or something though [12:33] apart from the rootkit ones ;) [12:34] rootkits are a good thing! it means your platform is popular! or.. something [12:34] hehe [12:47] i'm not sold on android, full stop [12:47] i think it has a clear future, i just don't think it's very good [13:22] bleh, annoying when highlights are beyond your scrollback [13:22] anywho kernel updates ;x [13:31] methinks the domain squatters got in quicker than William did http://www.officialroyalwedding2011.org [13:31] i'm pretty sure they prolly bought up from 1996->2040 ;) [13:32] "Powered by Google App Engine, Implemented by Accenture" [13:32] yup, saw that too [13:32] AlanBell: wouldn't it be a .gov.uk? [13:33] gosh no! [13:34] that would be a constitutional crisis [13:34] www.royal.gov.uk [13:34] so it is [13:35] don't think it should be a .org though, but the principals of the TLDs have been abused for years [13:35] i don't believe the link you posted is the real one though? [13:35] it is [13:35] it looks terrible [13:36] http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/mediacentre/pressreleases/launch_of_royal_wedding_website_809770138.html also a .gov.uk [13:36] could be worse [13:36] fun to see what else is hosted on that box. [13:36] mungojerry: stop viewing it in IE6 [13:36] http://w3who.net/reverse-ip/94.136.40.82 [13:36] hehe [13:37] popey: nice [13:37] oo, that's a nice site [13:37] * Myrtti bookmarks it with stopforumspam.com [13:39] popey: same as which box? [13:43] the ip that the website was on when i looked [13:43] the royal one [13:45] hmm, some unfortunate neighbours in that list [13:45] seems to be elsewhere now [13:45] that will be a reverse proxy or load balancer or something I expect [13:47] http://w3who.net/reverse-ip/89.151.94.50 [13:48] * AlanBell wonders which of those websites popey accidentally pinged [13:48] none [13:50] BigRedS: Many thanks for your help with ssh auto authentication, it's all working very nicely now :) [13:51] Anyone here installled ZImbra? I have version 6 network edition and it's states installng on an ext3 but I'm wondering if thats just some outdated info. Can I use ext4? [13:52] I have a Zimbra server DeathSling [13:52] DeathSling: awesome! [13:52] I occasionaly look after Zimbras, but I don't enjoy it... [13:52] did you know that v7 is out [13:52] yey, ext4 or ext3? [13:53] DeathSling: ext3 since the server is RHEL5.5 [13:53] * BigRedS likes ext3 'cause I keep coming across parteds that don't do 4 [13:54] i do, but my time is short and I just got a virtual server running with drbd. Now finally I'm about to install it and along comes version 7....arr poo sticks! [13:54] again, thank you BigRedS [13:54] :) [13:55] * mungojerry likes zimbra [13:55] is it possible then to do a vmbuilder with 10.04 but with ext3, it's default is ext4 [13:55] mungojerry: I think my problem is mostly unfamiliarity. And postfix/dovecot does all I need out of a mailserver [13:56] never used vmbuilder [13:57] i quite like vmbuilder, in the very short time I've been using it [13:57] BigRedS: we have it for around 250 users on all sorts of OS, Active Sync works v well too [13:58] unfortunately new IT strategy will prob mean the MS takeover since MS-loving consultants have been brought in :( [13:58] yeah, we've customers doing that sort of thing, does seem very very good at what it does [13:59] what does middle-click on a webpage do in ff4? [14:00] nothing [14:00] does for me :( [14:01] try with multiple tabs open [14:01] i have [14:01] i am on windows [14:01] ok [14:02] it keeps opening the ubuntu vm builder page ...which means if i try to middle-click on a link get open in a new tab and miss, i lose my current page :( [14:04] popey: got it. if your clipboard is a url, then a middleclick on the text area of a page will paste-and-go in the address bar..http://kb.mozillazine.org/Middlemouse.contentLoadURL [14:06] thats been the same for ages iirc [14:08] yeah, it's done that for as long as I can remember [14:08] even if it's not a url it does that [14:08] maybe i'm just getting inaccurate with my clicks, or i never have urls in my clipboard [14:09] le sigh [14:09] !fr |daubers [14:09] daubers: Ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en francais, merci de rejoindre #ubuntu-fr, ou #ubuntu-qc. Merci. [14:09] :( [14:09] pourquoi tu es triste? [14:10] pardon [14:10] Bon [14:10] The worlds all broken. I do find it weird how you the attitude of certain groups in OSS circles can deflect the weird stat of the world [14:10] s/stat/state [14:11] All the "Them against us" hooha in OSS recently seems to mirror the sudden breakout of government toppling in parts of the world [14:11] you mean, lots of people want to fight and overthrow their overlords? [14:11] It's just sad really [14:12] the internet gives people a voice who normally wouldn't be heard [14:13] It's not just the internet at the moment. I wouldn't be surprised to hear more people on street corners crying out against something or the other [14:13] like that guy who made the boycottnovell site..we spent his entire time trolling digg and blogs to create a louder noise than he should normally be able to make [14:13] and the boycott-boycottnovell counter trol [14:14] if only all trolls were equal and opposite and dissapeared upon collision [14:14] daubers: call me strange but twitter contributes to a lot of it [14:15] Then we'd need to build an LTC, and no-one has that kind of money [14:15] mungojerry: I'm not sure that's it really. It depends what channels you listen too (i.e. tv, radio newspapers and so on [14:15] 2010 was the year of the orchestrated twitter campaign against anything you don't like, whether it's catlady, tmobile data AUP, etc [14:15] ) [14:16] thanks for the ) [14:16] ( [14:16] ) [14:16] { [14:16]