[08:18] <initself> the party is clearly here
[09:13] <HPV> if i had a job paying more than $10/hr i would spend the money to hire another person to work on ubuntu
[09:26] <seidos> someone tell sabdfl
[09:26] <seidos> or Jane Silber
[09:45] <seidos> compassion -> buddha
[09:45] <seidos> 1 xor 0?
[09:45] <seidos> 1
[16:23] <ishimeru> Good morning everyone
[17:37] <iheartubuntu> anyone know if it is possible to change my email associated with my nickname after registering?
[17:41] <pleia2> iheartubuntu_: /msg nickserv help set email
[17:41] <iheartubuntu_> danke schon
[18:24] <nhaines> I think dankeschön is one word.
[18:28] <kdub> sorta, germans have a thing against the space bar i guess
[18:32] <nhaines> kdub: if you want two words you can say "vielen Dank".  :)
[18:44] <DarkwingDuck> Whoot
[18:45] <iheartubuntu> iwantothankyouforclearingthatuppen
[18:45] <DarkwingDuck> hehehe
[18:46] <DarkwingDuck> Kinda like "Ubuntu is african for 'I can't configure debian'"
[18:46] <nhaines> Well, "dankeschön" is a special word, and it doesn't mean the same thing as "danke schön" which doesn't make sense but be two unrelated words "thank" and "beautiful".
[18:48] <iheartubuntu> ouch :)
[18:48] <jamiedmattingly> kinda like spanish porque is why and por que is because
[18:49] <nhaines> jamiedmattingly: right.  Same letters but three different words.  :)
[18:52] <MarkDude> http://librivox.org/the-awful-german-language-by-mark-twain/
[18:52] <MarkDude> Good podcast that describes how German language makes words up
[18:53] <nhaines> Sure, but "dankeschön" isn't an example of one of those.  :)
[18:53] <MarkDude> Even funnier- it is read by a German person, you hear him trying not to laugh as he says stuff
[18:54] <nhaines> Is it a podcast or is it just a reading of Mark Twain's essay?
[18:54] <MarkDude> The language permits making up words that can be a paragraph long
[18:54] <MarkDude> podcast of his essay
[18:54] <MarkDude> and has link to written form
[18:54] <nhaines> You keep on using that word.  I don't think it means what you think it means.
[18:54] <nhaines> But that essay is fictional.  :)
[18:55] <MarkDude> Of course you are correct nhaines - most of what Twain did had a *wink* to it
[18:56] <MarkDude> His *fiction* can have  more truth to it- than most non-fiction
[18:56] <MarkDude> BTW, Ubuntu means:
[18:56] <MarkDude> My wireless cards work :D
[18:58] <nhaines> I really threw pleia2 off with that one.  :)
[18:59] <MarkDude> nhaines, that quote is so good- the other Distro folks I told that - hella laughed
[18:59] <MarkDude> and then started talking about the work they were having to do with Broadcom - to get it to work
[19:00] <nhaines> We had too many people for me to quip like that each time unfortunately.  I'll have to pull stills from the archive video to get a count.
[19:00] <pleia2> MarkDude: the canonical version of the joke is "Ubuntu is an ancient african word, meaning "I can't configure Debian"" but there are about a zillion versions of it now
[19:01] <nhaines> We have attendance counts for all of the sessions except the introductions.
[19:01] <MarkDude> pleia2, I know :D that was where I 1st heard it I think
[19:02] <pleia2> ah :)
[19:02] <MarkDude> Sitting in a room installing Fedora- the truth that nhaines said- folks agreed
[19:04] <MarkDude> The oh crap - my install is not working. If I really want it to work, I need install Ubuntu- even the backhanded compliments acknowledge how GREAT Ubuntu is :)
[19:04] <iheartubuntu> i like spelling german numbers like 2732 becomes something like: zweitausendsiebeneinhundertzweiunddreissig
[19:08] <nhaines> That's just efficient, that's all.  :)
[19:09] <nhaines> Anyway, I wouldn't call my quip a "truth", it was just a joke that relied on the audience knowing the meaning and origin of the word "ubuntu".
[19:10] <MarkDude> nhaines, Um it is a truth
[19:10] <MarkDude> the other side of the proprietary debate- is the it just works
[19:11] <MarkDude> My work with other Distros has proven that Broadcom can equal 2+ hours of my life to add to Fedora
[19:11] <MarkDude> or sometimes more
[19:12] <MarkDude> Similar to earlier Ubuntu installs involved me using additional wifi cards
[19:12] <nhaines> I've always just dumped the firmware in /lib/firmware and gone on with my life.  :)
[19:13] <MarkDude> For some the early GK meeting wifi issues were met with 2 choices- add a 2nd card, or spend some time
[19:14] <MarkDude> Maybe Ubuntu folks may not see it as a truth, but folks from other Distros do, even if begrudgingly
[19:21] <iheartubuntu> nhaines - I was thinking about the coming release in April in regards to placing an Ubuntu Store shipment. I figure that the release is still almost two months off. Maybe some maverick stuff will go on sale, maybe it wont. I dont know.
[19:21] <iheartubuntu>  I will still go ahead with this order for anyone interested and can tweak the quarterly shipments to different dates as I learn more to how Ubuntu runs sales and releases new items.
[19:22] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: it's a lot less important if you're splitting shipping costs.  :)
[19:22] <nhaines> But yeah, shipping's a real killer.
[19:34] <iheartubuntu> do they sell markdude masks in the ubuntu store by any chance?
[19:34] <iheartubuntu> i wanna grab me one of those
[19:34] <pleia2> hah
[19:35] <MarkDude> iheartubuntu, no- maybe there are Doug Stanhope masks- I had a few folks say I remind them of him
[19:36]  * iheartubuntu googles Doug Stanhope
[19:36] <iheartubuntu> oh yah
[19:37] <MarkDude> Not a deadringer or anything, but even I can see a bit of it
[19:38] <MarkDude> More so then when folks say Dave Grohl http://www.oyunlab.com/8-Music-resimleri/5025_Dave-Grohl_resimleri.html
[19:38] <MarkDude> Although when I put a pic of Dave as my profile pic on FB, only a few folks noticede
[19:40]  * iheartubuntu has removed his personal FB page
[19:41] <MarkDude> Every time a person says that
[19:41] <MarkDude> all I hear is.....
[19:42] <MarkDude> I chose not to talk to the majority of folks under 25 - on *their* terms
[19:42]  * MarkDude found out he was speaking at a conference- *via* FB
[19:42] <iheartubuntu> i just dont want to incriminate myself somehow :)
[19:42] <MarkDude> chat no-less
[19:43] <MarkDude> All sorts of business deals happen that way- some folks prefer to send that way- many opportunities can be lost this way
[19:43] <MarkDude> Dont post then.
[19:43] <MarkDude> *Consume.*
[19:44] <iheartubuntu> happen which way?
[19:44] <MarkDude> FB
[19:44] <iheartubuntu> serious?
[19:44] <MarkDude> 100%
[19:44] <iheartubuntu> i just sold my car on ebay
[19:44] <iheartubuntu> not fb
[19:45] <MarkDude> By that logic, we need not progress past newspaper classifieds
[19:45] <MarkDude> Since it can work
[19:45] <iheartubuntu> wait wait, are you now a Facebook spokesperson? ;)
[19:45] <iheartubuntu> i saw you shmoozing their booth!
[19:46] <iheartubuntu> didnt they scan your iris and take your dna before talking to them?
[19:46] <MarkDude> At least 1/3 maybe 1/4 of folks I know consider it almost rude not to send a message on FB
[19:46]  * MarkDude is sure he can work for them, BUT, dont think I am saying that they ARE NOT evil- they are
[19:47] <MarkDude> FB is at the min-    a TOOL
[19:47] <MarkDude> like paper, pen, etc
[19:47] <iheartubuntu> as is money
[19:47]  * iheartubuntu has never been called a tool before
[19:48] <MarkDude> you can be an asshat, by using a typewriter to tell folks how cool you are or some dumb stuff
[19:48] <MarkDude> just because MOST folks choose to do stupid things with creative tools
[19:49]  * kdub would say that facebook is more amoral with user's private information than evil
[19:49] <kdub> but i still use it :)
[19:49] <MarkDude> Beauty can still be created. The truths contained within should not be judged by the *base users*
[19:49] <iheartubuntu> i think that would be correct kdub
[19:49] <MarkDude> your nuance is mreo correct kdub
[19:49] <MarkDude> more
[19:50] <iheartubuntu> mr eo... i thought you were talking about MJ
[19:51] <MarkDude> iheartubuntu, to answer your earlier question- most of what most people do on FB is all about ego, IMHO.
[19:51] <pleia2> MarkDude: you need better fb friends :)
[19:52]  * MarkDude got back in touch with his best friend from high school
[19:52] <pleia2> I see it as just a communication platform
[19:52] <MarkDude> pleia2, myh friends are awesome
[19:52] <pleia2> but egomaniacs?
[19:52] <pleia2> I guess you do have a lot of CMs as friends ;)
[19:52] <MarkDude> Just trying to extrapolate, what others see as so horrible about FB
[19:52] <pleia2> they tend to be very Out There
[19:52] <MarkDude> rofl
[19:52] <iheartubuntu> yah, i met up with most of my HS friends too. most of them have become bigger idiots than they already were
[19:52] <MarkDude> Thats funny because it is true
[19:52] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: lol
[19:53] <MarkDude> iheartubuntu, I agree.
[19:53] <MarkDude> But sorting through 100+ people is worth it for TRUE friends
[19:53] <MarkDude> and YES, if there was no FB, we would have got in touch other ways
[19:54] <MarkDude> pleia2, not as much my friends, but friends of friends
[19:54] <iheartubuntu> actually i think most of the people i got back in touch with were from grammar school
[19:54] <iheartubuntu> 8 years with them all
[19:54] <MarkDude> #1 thing I use FB for?
[19:54] <MarkDude> organizing events, picnics in REAL life
[19:55] <pleia2> I mostly use it to stay in touch with family, they fail at email and I hate phones
[19:55] <MarkDude> getting together with friends- maybe 1/2 of those prefer FB as way to do it
[19:55] <MarkDude> My Grandma like seeing pics of grandkids etc
[19:55]  * iheartubuntu just got his first cellphone in 5 years
[19:56] <iheartubuntu> i dispose them
[19:56] <iheartubuntu> errr, despise them
[19:56] <iheartubuntu> both actually
[19:56]  * MarkDude agrees there.
[19:57] <MarkDude> In my heart, I still resist the idea of the portable phone
[19:57] <MarkDude> It is a leash
[19:58] <MarkDude> And then I stop to think - would I resist the phone coming into my house early last century. Would I have viewed cars as scary compared to horses
[19:59] <iheartubuntu> i really enjoyed not having a phone
[19:59] <MarkDude> And when folks were living in caves, there had to a few of them scared about fire
[19:59] <MarkDude> iheartubuntu, me too
[20:00] <MarkDude> When I did was on jobsites, I would not take one
[20:00] <iheartubuntu> my goal with the phone now is to be more productive
[20:00]  * iheartubuntu enjoys coin dozer and glow hockey 24/7
[20:00] <iheartubuntu> well, that didnt work
[20:00] <MarkDude> I used to tell bosses - they would have to give the phone they were trying to hand me to someone else
[20:00] <iheartubuntu> just kidding, i dont have time for games
[20:01] <MarkDude> give it to an Apprentice, they can bring me the phone if it is important
[20:01]  * MarkDude still cant believe I got away with that crap
[20:02] <MarkDude> iheartubuntu, you always have time to stop for a game
[20:02] <MarkDude> and to smell a rose
[20:02] <MarkDude> maybe not time for games, or roses :)
[20:08]  * MarkDude was thinking the only thing that Charlie Sheen is missing right about now is mocking Anon? I mean all he needs to do is poke the bear.
[20:08] <MarkDude> I am having a hard time thinking he does not have writers in a basement coming up with this crap
[20:09] <MarkDude> I mean, I need to get work done. He needs to take a break I can get stuff done
[20:31] <iheartubuntu> haha markdude
[20:31]  * MarkDude does not delight in downfall of others
[20:32] <MarkDude> UNLESS they are horrible people
[20:32] <MarkDude> He is there.
[20:33]  * iheartubuntu made his companies brochure using Scribus :) looks sweet
[20:33] <MarkDude> Or this picture about uninstalling dictators http://imgur.com/gallery/HFFd1
[20:33] <MarkDude> Scribus is a great program, very powerful
[23:28] <nhaines> ishimeru: good morning!
[23:48] <iheartubuntu> does anyone here have admin rights in the forums? im requesting a name change there so all of my acct info matches up
[23:56] <pleia2> I didn't thing that was even possible
[23:57] <pleia2> (the forum faq say they can't except in extreme cases)