[00:33] <BiosElement> Wow
[00:33] <BiosElement> 15 gold stars go to mark today I think
[00:49] <Cheri703> http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?sduid=984304&t=2699861 BOGO Chipotle!
[02:05] <Cheri703> wow I'm annoyed at companies today
[02:51] <dmcglone> Hi guys
[02:51] <Cheri703> hello
[02:51] <dmcglone> Can anyone tell me if the ubuntu netbook edition desktop is customizable?
[02:52]  * paultag chuckles
[02:52] <paultag> dmcglone: no fugg'n way
[02:52] <dmcglone> I was run‌ning the live version and it sucks!
[02:52] <Cheri703> customizable how?
[02:52] <paultag> dmcglone: 10.04 is nice
[02:52] <Cheri703> and 10.10 or 10.04?
[02:52] <paultag> dmcglone: 10.10 is a barf factory
[02:52] <dmcglone> I couldn't even move the stupidf bar on the left side
[02:52] <Cheri703> I used 10.04 for a while
[02:52] <Cheri703> use desktop edition now
[02:52] <paultag> I loved 10.04 UNR
[02:52] <dmcglone> 10.10 Cheri703
[02:52] <paultag> that was outstanding
[02:53] <Cheri703> ew, HATE 10.10
[02:53] <paultag> now I'm running Fluxbox+GNOME on 10.10
[02:53] <paultag> works really well
[02:53] <Cheri703> used it for about 15 min and gave up
[02:53] <dmcglone> paultag: really?
[02:53] <paultag> ja
[02:53] <paultag> Hell, I even uploaded a package to Debian/Ubuntu to make that easy
[02:53] <dmcglone> right now I'm run‌ning KDE, but im not too fond of it
[02:54] <dmcglone> I really like kde's netbook layout, but I'm getting frusturated with a couple things
[02:55] <paultag> dmcglone: file bugs
[02:55] <dmcglone> I think Ubuntu is more suited for these here small computer
[02:55] <dmcglone> s
[02:56] <dmcglone> the main problem im having with kde is it will not log out
[02:56] <dmcglone> it just hangs on a black screen when I try to log out
[02:56] <dmcglone> sux big time
[02:57] <paultag> dmcglone: *file bugs* :)
[02:57] <paultag> dmcglone: devs can't fix what they don't know
[02:57] <dmcglone> If I'm gonna waste my time filing bugs I'm gonna make it worth while and file on gnome LOL
[02:58] <paultag> ...
[02:58] <paultag> BBL. walking home
[02:58] <dmcglone> ok
[02:59] <dmcglone> cheri are you using the netbook edition or just the regular desktop?
[03:00] <Cheri703> now I use regular desktop, I forget why I switched over, I used netbook edition for several months
[03:00] <dmcglone> 10.10 or 10.04?
[03:01] <Cheri703> 10.04
[03:01] <Cheri703> used 10.10 for about 15 minutes
[03:01] <dmcglone> did you like 10.04?
[03:01] <Cheri703> once I realized that the ONLY possible way to access my secondary partition was by plugging in a flash drive to force access to nautilus, I was done
[03:01] <Cheri703> yeah, I did
[03:02] <dmcglone> I see
[03:03] <dmcglone> another reason I'm not liking kubuntu it is forcing me to manually mount my extra partions and I can't get them to be shared on the network
[03:05] <dmcglone> how many hours do you get with your battery?
[03:05] <dmcglone> I'm averaging about 3.5 to 4 hours
[03:06] <Cheri703> that's around mine, I can get 4.5ish if I'm conservative
[03:07] <dmcglone> cool, I thought I got ripped there for a bit
[03:13] <canthus13> Cheri703: I'm actually liking 10.10... I'm surprised. no issues so far aside from the occasional wireless pause. (once or twice a day...)
[03:13] <Cheri703> well, that was the netbook one I hated so much
[03:14] <Cheri703> I actually installed 10.10 on here, on a second partition, but I haven't messed with it much, haven't felt like transferring crap and setting up messengers and whatnot
[03:14] <canthus13> Oh.. yeah.  guy at work tried it, switched back to desktop.
[03:14] <canthus13> yeah.  I only installed it because I installed a new hard drive.
[03:14] <dmcglone> I have to say I liked 10.10
[03:16]  * canthus13 did the install right this time, with separate root and home partitions.
[03:17] <paultag> godfuckingdamnit
[03:17] <paultag> canthus13: that's not always right, jabroni
[03:17] <dmcglone> I always use seperate /home and /
[03:17] <canthus13> paultag: It's righter than one big partition.
[03:17]  * Cheri703 has separate partition for OS and storage
[03:17] <paultag> I seldom do :)
[03:17] <Cheri703> vs home and everything else
[03:17] <paultag> canthus13: bollocks
[03:18] <Cheri703> that lets me use it for other installations as well
[03:18] <canthus13> paultag: Meh. It should be easier to upgrade this way.
[03:18] <Cheri703> AS EXPLAINED IN MY UBUNTU USER DAYS CLASS!
[03:18]  * Cheri703 likes her way
[03:18] <paultag> canthus13: bollocks -- .conf file klobbering
[03:18] <dmcglone> paultag: I do it because if I ever have to re-install, /home never gets touched and configuring is 100% easier
[03:18] <paultag> canthus13: I have all my big stuff on an external, and directories similiked into my home
[03:18] <canthus13> paultag: Of course, on a server you want a separate /var for sure... just in case something spams the logs until the drive is full.
[03:18] <paultag> so that I can mount my same directories accross OSs, or wipes
[03:18] <paultag> canthus13: aye! That, for sure
[03:19] <paultag> canthus13: but for a desktop, I have a really hard time justifying splitting the drive
[03:19] <Cheri703> paultag: same idea as mine
[03:19] <canthus13> paultag: I don't dual boot. I just have it separate now because I'd rather do a fresh install than upgrade.
[03:19] <dmcglone> why paul?
[03:19] <Cheri703> my desktop is 2 separate hard drives
[03:19] <Cheri703> laptop 2 partitions
[03:19] <paultag> aye Cheri703
[03:19] <paultag> I used to have /Media
[03:19] <paultag> which contained my movies / videos, and that was on it's own drive
[03:19] <paultag> and that would be linked to ~/movies and ~/music
[03:20] <canthus13> paultag: That's my main reason. I have 90GB of music that I keep on my laptop.  It's a pain in the butt to transfer over wireless to and from my file server.
[03:20] <dmcglone> I have /home / /www and /documents and I mount /documents under my Documents folder in my /home
[03:20] <paultag> canthus13: aye, that's why I do what I do, no need to maintain /home with all it's messy . files
[03:21] <paultag> not to mention if I go "back" in time through a dual boot ( deb might be newer then Ubuntu, then go back to Ubuntu and break my app )
[03:21] <paultag> or the old app "fixes" the "errors" and I go back forward in time and it fucks that up
[03:22] <canthus13> paultag: If I used more than one distro I'd prolly do something similar.
[03:22] <paultag> I'd just as soon keep stuff on it's own outside /home
[03:22] <paultag> canthus13: :P
[03:22] <canthus13> Symlink ~/Documents, ~/Downloads, ~/Music to folders on a different partition and keep /home in the root partition.
[03:23] <paultag> canthus13: that's exactly what I do
[03:23] <canthus13> There's no reason for me to do that though.
[03:23] <dmcglone> canthus thats what I do
[03:23] <canthus13> if I boot a different OS, it's in a VM.
[03:23] <paultag> mmhum
[03:23] <dmcglone> I even showed Cheri703 how to do it
[03:24] <Cheri703> that's how I do mine now :)
[03:24]  * dmcglone loves symlinks
[03:25] <dmcglone> my home is almost nothing but symlinked folders LOL
[03:25] <canthus13> my home is a mess. :P
[03:26] <paultag> mine too
[03:26] <dmcglone> which home?
[03:26] <paultag> but my system is usually in good order
[03:26] <dmcglone> lol
[03:26] <canthus13> Heh.
[03:26] <paultag> my /etc is maintained in git, so I can revert shittyisms, and /home gets a good cleaning every few days
[03:26] <dmcglone> mine is neat and tidy :-)
[03:26] <paultag> I put stuff in ~/Desktop so that I remember to remove it (because icons piss me off)
[03:27] <dmcglone> I hate icons on my desktop!!!
[03:27] <paultag> dmcglone: that's why my default download location is my desktop
[03:27] <paultag> ;)
[03:27] <paultag> if I want to keep it, put it in it's right place, otherwise rm it
[03:28] <dmcglone> my default download location is on my /Documents partition that is shared by all my computers in my house
[03:28] <paultag> oh no!
[03:28] <paultag> don't download pr0n!
[03:28] <dmcglone> I have a downloads folder in my /documents partition which is symlinked to my /home
[03:28] <dmcglone> lol
[03:29] <dmcglone> and it's shared on the network so the shit I download is spewed all over the network...LOL
[03:34] <canthus13> Bah. How do I enable a guest account with no password?
[03:35] <dmcglone> created the account but don't assign it a password LOL
[03:35] <canthus13> dmcglone: Ubuntu won't let me do it.
[03:35] <canthus13> It disables the account unless you give it a password longer than 5 characters.
[03:35] <canthus13> Hmm.
[03:36] <Unit193> canthus13: sudo passwd user -d
[03:36] <paultag> that's disable, yes?
[03:36] <paultag> canthus13: you can call passwd by hand, methinks
[03:36] <paultag> as long as you're root, it should let you
[03:36] <canthus13> Ok.  tried passwd guest and then tried a blank pass, it won't allow it.
[03:37] <Unit193> use the -d switch
[03:37] <canthus13> I think I got it.  put in a password and then check the
[03:37] <canthus13> do not ask for password' box.
[03:37] <dmcglone> canthus13: you gotta kick the computer first
[03:38] <canthus13> Now... I need a script that will automagically connect to wireless, fire up to dyndns, and then set up a reverse ssh tunnel to my server.
[03:39] <canthus13> that way, if my laptop is stolen and they can get into a working guest account, maybe they won't wipe it until I locate it.
[03:40] <canthus13> Oh. and fire up a keylogger. :)
[03:40] <paultag> canthus13: like that defcon talk :)
[03:40] <dmcglone> being optimistic. I like that.. LOL
[03:40] <canthus13> paultag: Exactly.
[03:41] <canthus13> paultag: I have a buddy whose laptop was recovered thanks to Prey. :)
[03:41] <canthus13> but I want more control than that.
[03:41] <Cheri703> canthus13: if you can't set it to automatically do it, put some sort of honeytrap file...like "OMG PORN!" and then they'll click on it :)
[03:41] <Cheri703> or "SOCIAL SECURITY AND BANK INFO"
[03:41] <paultag> :)
[03:41] <dmcglone> lol
[03:42] <canthus13> Heh. I should be able to launch it at login.
[03:42] <dmcglone> but how will that locate the computer? it don't have gps in it
[03:43] <canthus13> dmcglone: google the MAC addresses of the routers near it.
[03:43] <canthus13> dmcglone: That's pretty freaking accurate... like, within 30 feet accurate.
[03:43] <dmcglone> dang!!!
[03:43] <dmcglone> I never thought about that
[03:43] <canthus13> google has a database of SSIDs and MAC addresses.
[03:44] <canthus13> dmcglone: this is where I got the idea:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4oB28ksiIo
[03:44] <canthus13> Oh. if anyone needs good earbuds cheap, skullcandy has their riot earbuds on ebay for 10 bucks a pair with free shipping.
[03:45] <Cheri703> and extra long shipping ;)
[03:45] <canthus13> Cheri703: 5 business days... Not *that* bad.
[03:45] <canthus13> I was just antsy. :)
[03:45] <Cheri703> true
[03:45] <Cheri703> heh
[03:46] <canthus13> the opening story in that youtube video is fucking hilarious.
[03:46] <canthus13> paultag: are boston cops *REALLY* that stupid?
[03:46]  * dmcglone can't use earbuds
[03:46] <paultag> canthus13: can be?
[03:46] <paultag> canthus13: which what?
[03:46] <canthus13> dmcglone: Forgot about that.
[03:46] <canthus13> paultag: The opening story on the youtube video I just posted.
[03:46] <dmcglone> I can use regular headphones, but dang you can't find em anymore
[03:47]  * Cheri703 is only half watching a movie and it's...weird and I think I'm missing a lot...but I don't care enough to rewatch
[03:47] <canthus13> dmcglone: skullcandy makes all sorts of really nice ones.
[03:48] <paultag> canthus13: no flash right now :(
[03:48] <canthus13> paultag: Bummer.
[03:50] <canthus13> paultag: Basic gist of the story:  Pranksters decide to take an old VT-220 terminal and set it up next to an open manhole and see people's reactions... Boston cops show up, stare at it for a few minutes, then beat the living shit out of it.
[03:50] <paultag> oh ahahhaha
[03:50] <paultag> yeah I remember that
[03:50] <paultag> that was great
[03:50] <paultag> that was an MIT hack, so good
[03:50] <paultag> some dude trying to fit in
[03:51] <paultag> oh shit, that was from that laptop osx reverse pwn
[03:51] <paultag> where the dude had pics of himself nekked
[03:51] <paultag> totally seen that one :)
[03:53] <paultag> canthus13: dude, I just came up with a really cool system
[03:53] <canthus13> paultag: Yup.
[03:53] <paultag> canthus13: my server has a fake user account that just pipes mail into an app I wrote
[03:54] <paultag> canthus13: the app checks the gpg sig on the email, and if it's trusted and on it's keyring, it executes the commands in the email as a shell script
[03:54] <canthus13> Nice...
[03:54] <paultag> canthus13: so I can GPG sign "orders" to my servers (and CC them and stuff) to do some old-school 2-bit provisioning
[03:55] <dmcglone> too much work paultag
[03:55] <dmcglone> lol
[03:55] <paultag> dmcglone: it's really not, since I have a key shared between my servers and my local boxes (not on keyserv) without a password
[03:55] <canthus13> dmcglone: Amazingly useful... If you could send those messages to a gmail account, then have your laptop check that email account.
[03:55] <canthus13> If the laptop is stolen, you can send it an activation command.
[03:55] <paultag> dmcglone: so I can actually just pipe stuff through it and have it post without me being there (servers asking for other stuff)
[03:55] <paultag> canthus13: +1 there
[03:56] <paultag> the best part -- if the GPG auth is wrong, the email gives a user not found >:D
[03:56] <canthus13> Install some sort of custom peripheral inside that sets off a thermite charge, maybe... :)
[03:56] <paultag> that will keep down the spam
[03:56] <dmcglone> haha
[03:56] <paultag> canthus13: well this is nice because it exec's the commands in the mail
[03:57] <paultag> so I can just have it to whatever. The email addy is bitch@servername
[03:57] <paultag> it's nice.
[03:57] <dmcglone> what happens if you accidently run format commands? LOL
[03:58] <canthus13> paultag: I'm liking the idea of simply being able to email commands to the machine in case of theft.. they'd just queue up in the mail server until the laptop connected and fetched them.
[03:59] <paultag> mm
[04:00] <canthus13> maybe a command to execute a script that turns on a keylogger, grabs some webcam shots, snags all the signal strengths, SSIDs, and MAC addresses of nearby routers...
[04:01] <canthus13> the mail checker would check that mail every ten minutes when connected to the internet.
[04:01] <paultag> canthus13: I hate the tickle model so much
[04:01] <canthus13> But for something blind like this, it works. :)
[04:02] <canthus13> Heh. don't google tickle model.
[04:02] <dmcglone> canthus13: your doing everything short of getting the CIA and FBI involved
[04:02] <canthus13> dmcglone: :)
[04:02] <canthus13> dmcglone: I love my laptop.
[04:03] <dmcglone> So do I, thats why I'd never leave it anywhere it could get stolen...LOL
[04:03] <canthus13> dmcglone: Inside your house?
[04:04] <dmcglone> huh, I'd have a 20 laptops if it got stolen from my house
[04:04]  * Cheri703 is frustrated, husband bought the wrong kind of ravioli, now we have a big bag of them, and I can't eat them, and it's likely to be a LONG time before he will, and that's wasted money we don't have :/
[04:04] <dmcglone> Insurance :-)
[04:05] <canthus13> Cheri703: Bummer.
[04:05] <dmcglone> if thats all you have to worry about Cheri703 your doing good... ;-)
[04:05] <Cheri703> trust me, it isn't, but it is one more on a list of things
[04:06] <dmcglone> wait till you have kiids and they pour a gallon of milk all over the floor and mix it with a box of cereal
[04:06] <Cheri703> we have $7 in the bank, spending money on food that won't get eaten is a big deal right now
[04:06] <dmcglone> throw themselves through the walls
[04:06] <dmcglone> I feel your pain
[04:07] <Cheri703> I might call them and see if we can exchange it
[04:07] <Cheri703> or return it
[04:09] <dmcglone> well that really killed the room quick... LOL
[04:09] <Cheri703> sorry
[04:10] <Cheri703> you should watch daybreakers
[04:10]  * canthus13 is rewatching that youtube video because it's freaking hilarious.
[04:10] <dmcglone> no need to be sorry, I just thought it was funny :-)
[04:11] <dmcglone> it's like all the guys run with their tails between their legs
[04:11] <dmcglone> LOL
[04:12] <Cheri703> they know better than to stick around when a woman is pissed
[04:13] <dmcglone> lol
[04:16] <canthus13> meh.
[04:16]  * canthus13 doesn't back down. :)
[04:16] <paultag> canthus13: you're wise. the kids that work there are my age
[04:16] <paultag> I'm scared shitless of an angry woman
[04:17] <dmcglone> why paul?
[04:17] <dmcglone> lol
[04:17] <paultag> dmcglone: it's built into every kid! Until you're totally independent, you're always afraid of your mum
[04:17] <dmcglone> I just let them say their piece and get on with my day.. LOL
[04:17]  * dmcglone 20 years of mariage
[04:18] <paultag> :P
[04:18] <dmcglone> I don't know about that, I got a brother that isn't afraid of shit
[04:18] <dmcglone> lol
[04:18]  * paultag goes back to fixing fluxbox
[04:18] <dmcglone> fixing?
[04:18] <canthus13> paultag: Trying to get it up to par with openbox? :)
[04:19] <paultag> canthus13: sadly, in this one case, yes
[04:19] <dmcglone> how'd it get broken in the first place?
[04:19] <paultag> canthus13: I'm rolling out a -dbg package
[04:19] <paultag> dmcglone: it's OK, I just need to clean it
[04:19]  * canthus13 hasn't really used fluxbox... but really really likes openbox.
[04:19] <dmcglone> I see
[04:19] <paultag> why you ask? Because I have 2 papers due in the morning
[04:19] <canthus13> Heh.
[04:19] <paultag> canthus13: fluxbox rules
[04:20] <paultag> ha! funny because I'm working on the rules file :)
[04:20] <canthus13> paultag: mainly, though, I like crunchbang/openbox.  It's well put together, has everything I need already installed, and isn't that ugly. :)
[04:20]  * dmcglone is watching the bluejackets
[04:20] <paultag> canthus13: mmhum! I just fixed up fluxbox a bit
[04:20] <paultag> canthus13: it has a nice ubuntu theme now
[04:20] <canthus13> Heh.
[04:21]  * canthus13 has never seen a 'nice' ubuntu theme.  It went from shit brown to technicolor vomit...
[04:21] <dmcglone> lol canthus13
[04:21] <dmcglone> I agee
[04:21] <dmcglone> agree
[04:21] <dmcglone> eye candy is one thing I love
[04:22] <dmcglone> KDE comes with plenty of it
[04:22] <canthus13> I'm not that big on eyecandy, but It's really nice for selling linux to the n00bs.
[04:23] <dmcglone> the reason I like eye candy is because I get sick of looking at the same shit day in and day out, I need change after a few months
[04:24] <dmcglone> it's like women, it gets ugly over time..... LOL
[04:24] <Cheri703> http://thinkprogress.org/2011/02/26/main-street-tax-cheats/
[04:25] <Cheri703> so I know you say stuff for the "humor" but...the sexist jokes get old dmcglone...I'm just saying
[04:25] <dmcglone> it wasn't sexist
[04:25] <dmcglone> lol
[04:25] <Cheri703> ...
[04:26] <dmcglone> you just wait, after 20 years you'll understand what I'm saying.... LMAO
[04:27] <dmcglone> I'll be in my coffin when you say "ah I see what he meant"
[04:28]  * paultag backs away
[04:28] <dmcglone> lol
[04:28] <paultag> hell no I'm not getting caught up in this
[04:29] <dmcglone> maybe I should have said "significant other" instead of "women" but heck I didn't think anyone would take it seriously
[04:29] <Cheri703> it was a wholly unnecessary addition to the conversation
[04:29] <Cheri703> and it's a recurring thing
[04:29] <dmcglone> recurring??
[04:30] <Cheri703> I like you dmcglone, that's why I voice my opinion, if I didn't, I'd just be pissy in silence and just not like you :)
[04:30] <dmcglone> Hmmmm
[04:31] <dmcglone> I'm wondering why you are up
[04:31] <Cheri703> ?
[04:32] <dmcglone> upset about it
[04:32] <canthus13> dmcglone: Because it *is* a bit sexist to single out women with blanket generalizations.
[04:32] <Cheri703> because if I made a comment and threw in a bit about deaf people, you'd be irritated
[04:33] <dmcglone> nope
[04:33] <canthus13> paultag: I wonder how bad elky would flip if she read the stuff dmcglone says in here...
[04:34] <Cheri703> a. the "eyecandy, like women" or b. the "women get ugly over time lol"  pick one. MEN GET UGLY TOO, PEOPLE get ugly, that'd be fine (still not entirely a useful/tasteful addition to the convo, but...)
[04:34] <paultag> canthus13: bad, I think
[04:34] <dmcglone> people are unique and if we can't make jokes about it then there is something wrong
[04:34]  * Cheri703 is mild compared to some women in my response to some of this stuff
[04:34] <paultag> dmcglone: it sucks because people actually believe some of this crap
[04:34] <dmcglone> haha
[04:35] <paultag> dmcglone: so you'd never make a racist joke because there are racists around
[04:35] <Cheri703> jokes are not the same to everyone
[04:35] <paultag> dmcglone: y'know?
[04:35] <Cheri703> what one person considers funny is NOT what others consider funny
[04:35] <Cheri703> some people think it's HILARIOUS to light animals on fire (or people) others don't..."it's just a joke" doesn't absolve someone of doing something shitty
[04:36] <dmcglone> Well they'll have to live with it, otherwise nobody in the world would talk
[04:36] <Cheri703> and as I said, that was a mild one, but sometimes you go overboard dmcglone
[04:36] <dmcglone> I see.
[04:44] <canthus13> Haha... They lost a client's server at work. Physically.  the box apparently has been running for about 6 years and they can't figure out where it is.
[04:44] <Cheri703> o.O
[04:44] <Cheri703> that's kind of ridiculous
[04:44] <canthus13> Cheri703: The client called to complain that they couldn't get to the machine.
[04:45] <Cheri703> they need coordinates on them "3rd from the door, 5th down" or something
[04:45] <canthus13> Cheri703: They remodeled the hosting facility about 5 years ago, and apparently that machine got misplaced, but it was still connected.
[04:45] <Cheri703> ahhh, nice
[04:45]  * canthus13 is betting it's inside a wall or some other space they can't physically access.
[04:45] <Cheri703> heh
[04:45] <Cheri703> possible
[04:46] <Cheri703> they need to connect those little pc speakers, so they can make it beep to find it :)
[04:46] <paultag> canthus13: does it have a cd / floppy?
[04:47] <canthus13> Hmm... One reason to keep the pc speaker plugged in, I guess.
[04:47] <paultag> canthus13: spin up the floopy drive
[04:47] <canthus13> paultag: I dunno.. but it's not responding anymore, so they can't eject it.
[04:47] <paultag> ah, shucks
[04:47] <Cheri703> ew, that sucks!
[04:47] <canthus13> Probably some sort of physical hardware failure.
[04:47] <paultag> um, yarp
[04:47] <canthus13> bad PSU or somesuch.
[04:47] <paultag> canthus13: use the network to see who's router it's connected to
[04:48] <paultag> then trace it's line :)
[04:49] <canthus13> paultag: I'm sure they're working on it.. but it's a freaking datacenter... the networking cabling is measured in tons, I think.
[04:49] <paultag> canthus13: christ. good point
[04:49] <Cheri703> I may have to try retracing cabling for a church...their network is JACKED UP
[04:49] <canthus13> it's well-organized cabling, but the sheer volume of cabling makes it nearly impossible to follow an individual strand.
[04:49] <paultag> +1 canthus13
[04:49] <Cheri703> I spent HOURS there one day making sure the right computers were on the right router, someone had set it up previously, but people kept messing with it
[04:50] <canthus13> meet the new network threat:  http://pwnieexpress.com/
[04:50] <Cheri703> if they're willing to pay me, I'll have to go through it bit by bit and label what comes from what room, etc
[04:50] <paultag> canthus13: I always wanted to use fractal maps to map a datacenter
[04:50] <Cheri703> how useful are the ethernet testers? like the "plug it in on one end, plug in the other end" things?
[04:50] <canthus13> Cheri703: That's the best way to go about it.
[04:51] <Cheri703> ok, I may have to pick one up
[04:51] <Cheri703> there are a few things on my wish list :/
[04:51] <canthus13> Cheri703: those fox/hound testers rock when it comes to identifying cables you can't physically follow.
[04:51] <Cheri703> yeah, that's probably going to be a lot of what this is
[04:51] <paultag> canthus13: there are some that will put a freq on the line, and you can trace it anywhere along the line by putting it over the plastic and watching for the e/m signal
[04:51] <canthus13> Otherwise, you'd need to set up a mini-network with a machine at each end and ping each other.
[04:51] <paultag> since it's twisted pair
[04:52] <Cheri703> any recommendations on a specific one?
[04:52] <Cheri703> there are various ones out there
[04:52] <canthus13> paultag: Neat.. It's been years since I've dealt with that stuff.
[04:52] <Cheri703> canthus13: I could always plug in my netbook to the other end
[04:52] <canthus13> Cheri703: Anything made by Fluke is likely to be perfect.
[04:52] <Cheri703> but...the tester may be easier
[04:52] <Cheri703> hmm...ok
[04:52] <paultag> canthus13: that type is badass. You can see if it splits at a junction
[04:52] <Cheri703> projects like this are where it'd be amazing to have a reliable assistant...
[04:52] <Cheri703> instead of having to run ALL OVER the building between each one
[04:53] <canthus13> Cheri703: :)
[04:53] <paultag> OK I need to write two papers
[04:53] <paultag> seriously
[04:53] <paultag> someone ban me
[04:53] <canthus13> paultag: have fun with that.  Or write a script that writes papers.
[04:53] <paultag> fuck it, I'll shut off screen
[04:53] <paultag> canthus13: right?
[04:53] <canthus13> Heh.
[05:03] <Unit193> Cheri703: Last part of the church name?
[05:03] <Cheri703> not yours :)
[05:03] <Unit193> I know that....
[05:04] <Unit193> Ours doesn't have that good of a setup...
[05:04] <Cheri703> theirs is bad
[05:05] <Cheri703> a whole set of computers somehow is on the wrong ip range...
[05:05] <Cheri703> when I left there after setting it all up, they were 192.168.20.1, now they're all 192.168.1.1 ...something got plugged into the wrong router
[05:06] <Unit193> One router unsecured with all the computers wireless...
[05:07] <canthus13> Cheri703: Disable DHCP on all routers, set up DHCP on one machine.
[05:08] <canthus13> I'm assuming these are little SOHO routers, right?
[05:09] <Cheri703> yeah canthus13
[05:09] <canthus13> How many machines are on the network?
[05:09] <Cheri703> at least 5
[05:09] <Cheri703> maybe more
[05:09] <Cheri703> there's about 42834987 cords coming into there though
[05:10] <canthus13> Ah. never mind then.
[05:10] <Cheri703> so I'll have to hunt them all down
[05:10]  * canthus13 was figuring on the order of 50-100 machines.
[05:10] <canthus13> Those little routers can't handle much DHCP traffic.
[05:10] <Cheri703> yeah, not that many, perhaps up to 25 if all jacks are being used
[05:10] <Cheri703> there is some bigger switch or something in there, someone donated it or something
[05:10] <Cheri703> I don't even know
[05:11] <Cheri703> that wasn't my primary focus the one time I was in there
[05:11] <Cheri703> it'll be a project, no doubt
[05:12] <Cheri703> I kind of hope they'll do it
[05:12] <Cheri703> I'm trying to decide what the hourly rate on something like that should be
[05:12] <Cheri703> I don't usually do hourly
[05:12] <Cheri703> I'm leaning toward $30 or more
[05:12] <canthus13> Hourly on-site usually runs around $70/hr+
[05:13] <Cheri703> hmm...k
[05:13] <Cheri703> probably will not charge THAT much, as I only partly know what I'm doing ;)
[05:13] <Cheri703> heh
[05:13] <canthus13> that's the minimum I see for the pro shops. Some craigslisters will do it cheaper.
[05:13] <Cheri703> I need to get a tester, because I don't want to spend 300 years there
[05:13] <canthus13> Heh.
[05:13] <Cheri703> I will take along my label maker (and LOTS of batteries/extra tape) and label them as I figure out where they've come from
[05:14] <Cheri703> I'm going to estimate a minimum of 5 hours, possibly more I'd think
[05:14] <Cheri703> it's a crappy setup they have
[05:14] <Cheri703> and if I get done early, no problem
[05:14] <canthus13> Might invest in a good punchdown tool too.
[05:15]  * Cheri703 only vaguely knows what that is
[05:16] <canthus13> Cheri703: It's for stuffing wires into the backs of ethernet outlets, patch panels, etc.
[05:16] <Cheri703> kk
[05:16] <canthus13> A lot easier than trying to do it with a knife or screwdriver.
[05:16] <Cheri703> there is some kit that microcenter has...might take a look if they don't have wall plates and want them
[05:17] <canthus13> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHy8mtW9eak
[05:19] <canthus13> Also, a crimping tool and *good* RJ-45 connectors.. not the cheap self-ejecting ones I bought a while back. :)
[05:20] <Cheri703> I'd love to get into doing more network related stuff
[05:24] <canthus13> Go for your network+ at least, CCNA would be better. If you can find a CCNA course, you'll probably learn everything you need to know for small-medium networks.
[05:25] <Cheri703> yeah, for the stuff I'm mainly doing now, I'm probably going to go for the a+, just because at least as a starting point, the general public is like, "ooo, certified!"
[05:25] <Cheri703> then the network+ and hopefully ccna later
[05:25] <canthus13> True.
[05:25] <Cheri703> once I can afford it!
[05:25] <canthus13> I did network+ on self-study. It was pretty easy.
[05:26] <canthus13> I never managed to get my CCNA, though... Couldn't afford the tests, and they changed the curriculum right after I finished the course.
[05:26] <Cheri703> yeah, annoying thing is that the a+ just added material, and the free crap I got via torrents is the old one :/ have to wait a while for the new stuff to be...available
[05:26] <canthus13> I still learned a *LOT* about it.
[05:26] <Cheri703> gotcha
[05:27] <canthus13> Even the older Cisco stuff is good, solid info on networking fundamentals.
[05:27] <Cheri703> yeah
[05:27] <Cheri703> I just have trouble buckling down and studying...I LOVE learning new things, but the "HAVE TO STUDY" mentality kicks on the "OMG PROCRASTINATE!" mode :/
[05:27] <canthus13> Juniper networking cert guids are just as good.
[05:28] <canthus13> ...guides.
[05:28] <Cheri703> guidos?
[05:28] <Cheri703> heh
[05:28] <canthus13> Heh.
[05:28] <canthus13> Networking and guidos would seem to be mutually exclusive...
[05:28] <Cheri703> probably
[05:31] <Cheri703> the newest comptia a+ books at the local library are from 2007 -_-
[05:33] <Cheri703> there are some really inexpensive network cable testers, I'm not sure how to know if they're any good :/
[05:36] <Cheri703> there's always this one: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/tools/8510/
[05:45] <canthus13> Looks nice. Never used it.
[05:47]  * canthus13 leans more towards the 'plug it in and see if it works' school of thought... Unless it's a big project. :)
[05:48] <Cheri703> it's big enough that I want to be able to quickly get through it
[05:48] <canthus13> :)
[05:49] <Cheri703> heck yeah newegg:
[05:49] <Cheri703> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16899997006&cm_re=cable_test-_-99-997-006-_-Product
[05:50] <canthus13> roswill.. king of the cheap electronic testing crap.
[05:50] <Cheri703> eh
[05:50] <canthus13> They're kinda like the Belkin of testing equipment.
[05:51] <canthus13> It'd probably do for a few jobs, but don't expect it to last.
[05:51] <canthus13> I love how they list the power switch as a feature. :)
[05:51] <Cheri703> yeah, at this point, I'd just need SOMETHING, almost considering the $6 ones just as a temporary answer, then get a nicer one later
[05:51] <Cheri703> well, some of them you have to put the battery in to turn it on, and remove it to turn it off
[05:52] <Cheri703> http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&safe=off&q=network+cable+tester&cid=9818818179986500336&ei=ctZtTagXlc7cBIGXsOkE&sa=title&ved=0CBgQ8wIwAzgA#p
[05:52] <Cheri703> bam
[05:53] <canthus13> Appears that that one in particular has some issues with testing whether or not the cable is good.
[05:53] <Cheri703> that's not the goal though
[05:53] <Cheri703> not for that job
[05:53] <canthus13> But yeah,, to just find the right ends, it'd to.
[05:54] <Cheri703> that's why I'm thinking $10 or less would be a good place to start, then after getting paid for a job like that (depending on how much I'd charge), I could get a nicer one
[06:10] <Unit193> I hate the TV show "36 hours earlier" crap
[06:10] <Cheri703> ?
[06:11] <Unit193> You know in the TV shows...
[06:11] <Cheri703> ....?
[06:11] <Cheri703> when they flash back?
[06:12] <Unit193> Yeah, show you the end then go back...
[06:12] <Cheri703> gotcha
[06:35] <Unit193> wow... didn't know about this.... http://mail.google.com/mail/help/paper/more.html
[06:36] <Cheri703> weird
[06:40] <Unit193> 68 open tabs again......
[06:40] <Cheri703> I have a hipache
[07:15] <Unit193> ^^ + TBC (to be continued)
[07:15] <Cheri703> ?
[07:16] <Unit193> Was a flashback style and to be continued
[07:16] <Cheri703> ah
[07:16] <Cheri703> what show?
[07:16] <Unit193> Hip any better?
[07:16] <Cheri703> meh
[07:16] <Unit193> Castle
[07:16] <Cheri703> still achy
[07:16] <Cheri703> ahhh, castle
[07:16] <Cheri703> you're a week behind!
[07:16] <Unit193> I knew it was a to be continued... :)
[07:44]  * Cheri703 knows how it ends
[07:45]  * Unit193 can guess
[07:45] <Unit193> But I'm not going to watch the second half tonight!
[07:56] <Unit193> #castle points to castleproject.org
[07:57] <Cheri703> dunno
[07:58] <Unit193> I'm being put down for the night...
[07:58] <Cheri703> heh
[07:59] <Cheri703> ttyl
[21:06] <Cheri703> my hip made an unfortunate sounding (and painful) crunch earlier when I was shifting position...still hurts quite a bit, but SIGNIFICANTLY less now...
[21:46] <canthus13> ouch.
[21:46] <Cheri703> yeah, it's good times
[21:46] <Cheri703> still ouchy, but less :/
[21:46] <canthus13> Rokkett77: Meh. I've gotta come in for that training at 6...
[21:46] <Cheri703> canthus13: how is toledo today?
[21:47] <canthus13> above freezing and melty.
[21:47] <Cheri703> always fun
[22:17] <Unit193> How the heck do I get sound out the front and the back??
[22:19] <Rokkett77> canthus13: YAY!!! BTW, I finally got that Conky thing I showed you figured out.
[22:21] <lostConnection> Random Question: Do you think that anyone has every written a driver to make their XBOX 360 wireless network adapter work on their computer?
[22:51] <Cheri703> lostConnection: is it usb or ?
[22:51] <lostConnection> yeah usb
[22:52] <lostConnection> I have been looking and I guess you would have to find a way around the authorization portion. Tricking the adapter into accepting your computer as if it were an Xbox
[23:28] <Cheri703> hmm...yeah
[23:28] <Cheri703> for $15 you could just get a generic one
[23:36] <lostConnection> I know I just thought it would be fun. Purely out of curiosity.